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Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by BABANGBALI: 6:47pm On Jun 16, 2023
Na dem sabi, e no concern me, as long as e no increase the prices of foods and olosho in Nigeria
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by CSTRR: 6:47pm On Jun 16, 2023
lhordspy:


This is very obvious, bro. Power hungry politicians are already trooping in and out of Aso rock lobbying for ministerial post. Even the ones that failed to provide any significant change in the last 8years.

For 2027 sake, we all know this politicians will be the ones to fill the ministerial posts. Tinubu wont want to bank on them for anything meaningful. So his trusted Special advisers is his best cards.
Tinubu is a transactional politician.

Transactional politicians focus on politics first and foremost, before anything else.

Stop overrating tinubu. He is just a very corrupt politician.

He will do what is best for his own political interests, first and foremost even at the expense of Nigeria.

Know this and know peace.

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Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by CSTRR: 6:51pm On Jun 16, 2023
Peter obi got impeachment as state governor because he scrapped an overinflated project earmarked by the state legislators as a looting scheme.

Transactional politicians like tinubu can never do that.

He will satisfy them and get something in return too.

That is transactional politics 101. And that is the kind of president we have.
That is what made him president.

Just pray for the best and don't expect much.

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Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by techmo(m): 7:02pm On Jun 16, 2023
Bellotelli:

The problem with national security today is largely constituted by military officers either serving or retired. They cashing out big time on people's blood. It's high time we test the police.

You are right military budget is about 2billion USD and they hardly explain or audit what it's for
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by baralatie(m): 7:21pm On Jun 16, 2023
professorPABX:


ISMAILA GWARZO is the NSA to ABACHA. He is a Police Officer. Ribadu can be manage the Security Architecture very well.
The same sani abacha that died while in office?
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Contekbbc: 7:46pm On Jun 16, 2023
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lhordspy:
Ribadu, the security adviser to Tinubu will still be performing the same task & function as NSA(National Security Adviser). He will be operating from ONSA(Office of the National Security Adviser), and be over-seeing the structure of the entire security agencies as a whole, thereby advising the president accordingly on steps, approach, improvement and changes to make.

The only difference is that, the intelligence agencies ( NIA, DSS, DIA ) will be reporting directly to Tinubu now, instead of the NSA. Which means we wont be having NSA.

President Tinubu, probably employ that modality and structural shift to avoid lack of respect or trust between the Military and Ribadu, a fmr. police officer. We all know there has been long standing power-tussles over functions & seniority between the Military and the police.

If you look at most of the SAs appointed well. You will realise they are strategist, capable and trusted fellows who can deliver. This will leave the ministerial positions to politicians. Politicians are corrupt and cant effect changes, they are only after their pocket and political status. But they must be compensated, that is politics. Tinubu knows this, so his best bet are on his Special advisers. Reason he is putting forward his best cards there.


Your submission is 1000% valid sir!
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by gidjah(m): 9:32pm On Jun 16, 2023
Gr8amechi:

This idea doesn't make any sense.
If we must advert any future coup we must adopt the USA system, the leadership must be demilitarised.

The position of NSA isn't a war position it's a tactical and a very intelligent position, being a military person doesn't even make you more suitable to advice the president on issues of national security threat than a civilian who is a security expert.

Tinubu must redesign our military to be similar to the USA.

Pull military out of Abuja and raise DSS to become the highest security agency in the country.

For me the NSA should even be coming from DSS or NIA.

being a military general doesn't make you an expert in security matters, you need to see some of them speak

We have had military general as NSA back to back for over 10 years how has our security fared?

The military are trained for maximum force.

If I were the president I will reorganized the security council.

Each military unit will have a secretary which the military top chief reports to.

Have a NSA from a top intelligence unit.

Revamp DSS to focus on protection of the president and vvip personalities alone.

Reorganize police and turn the current police structure into state police.

Collapse the civil defense into state police.

Then established a federal intelligence agency which will be responsible for intelligence gathering and investigation of high profile cases, cyber crimes etc.

Unit custom and immigration into federal board guard.

Remove military completely from Abuja and the only people who should have access to the president should be civilians.


Revamp our laws to bar the military from having any dealings with any civilian and only to be used for maximum aggressive and force enemies.
you speak well over this matter.The power giving to the Military system didn't just start today and any attempt to demilitarize ...would require a strong hand with sound MILLITARY background ,a rural rugged one at that.Iasues like this, resurrect coup.I grew up in the military sector and understand how we view civilians,the truth is that most of this generals are not even technically sound when it comes to this black ops ..they are just rugged and combatants.When it comes to terrorism, etc, special security forces like CIA FBI and even the police comes close and better in comparison to d MILLITARY.Na CORRUPTION DEY CAUSE THIS MESS TO CONTINUE TILL DATE.IT WAS ONLY OBJ that succeed in clipping the wings of this MILLITARY guys, he started breaking thuer wings and to continue with such at this stage you are talking about , civilian presidents that would be able to dare this are very few.....in nigeria .those generals will stirr up a coup likely

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Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Charly68: 9:39pm On Jun 16, 2023
Since Generals have been occupying the position ,what has been their achievement? They have been fighting miscreants for almost 19 years now and turn Boko Haram war to their cash cow. Whoever wants to sanitize this nation must think beyond all these retired military men who have nothing good to offer us. . Is it retired Military men that acts as NSA in other western nations ?
We need result not unnecessary show of class .

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Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Chenu60: 9:41pm On Jun 16, 2023
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Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Bigseven(m): 9:57pm On Jun 16, 2023
The ones that were Ex Generals what did they achieve? We tired of recycling incompetences here and there in the name of protocol or a particular way of doing things. Why can we change and look somewhere else. Failed system

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Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by frog12: 9:57pm On Jun 16, 2023
they no wan may he expose their corruption n that office!

what junior?
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by juman(m): 10:09pm On Jun 16, 2023
If he is undecided of who to take as NSA, he may retain the present NSA for six to twelve months.

But before inauguration we read that he already picked his NSA, so nah police man he already picked.
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Gr8amechi: 10:30pm On Jun 16, 2023
CoolAmbience:



Ideas everywhere...

Nigerians and state police...a state police system will certainly worsen things for Nigeria.

With unchecked tendencies of state governors, we shouldn't be talking of state police.

We are even yet to have practical independence of the judiciary and legislature in the states, even at the center; and you're talking about handing over our security to states.

Everything isn't about USA. The USA isn't among the safest place in the world. There is no law that prevents states from setting up community security systems to support the current system.

The Ebubeagus and Amotekuns that were created, how well have they been funded and harnessed to improve national security? You talk of state police when governors are still protesting payment of N30,000 minimum wage? When primary and secondary healthcare are still at sorry states?





I think you are completely wrong, I sited USA because of my references to the military but let me go further.

Even India and many other countries practice state police and you could ask me to elaborate on my proposal.

First create two types of police forces.
1. State police who will be purely those on plain black or black and blue, have agents and cop as their members.
Agents work on private undercover investigation and the cops work on daily to day.
The state police would be barred from using automatic fire riffle and also the constitution provides for criteria to federalised the state police in times of an insurrection or an abuse by the state government.

2. Rapid response force or the commando or the mobile force which ever name we may choose to call them they will be the SWAT team of the police and will be federal police who are situated in every states but do not involve in maintain laws and order, they are only invited when maximum force is required, they use only automatic fire riffles and are trained for maximum combat almost similar to the military but not exactly as the military and only deployed with the approval of the federal government.

3. Put the police under the office of the attorney general of the state and federation and separate this office from that of the commissioner or minister of justice.
The position of the attorney general should be contested and candidate should be voted in by the assembly.

Here the prosecution have lesser effect as the attorney isn't an appointee of the executive both at state and federal level.

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Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Gr8amechi: 10:36pm On Jun 16, 2023
flokii:


It's easier said than done.. you'd be setting yourself up for a Military coup if you don't play with sense.

You think a 4-Star General as CDS for example will like to take orders from a former AIG?.. they put their life into their work so regard them at least.
This is the mentality we have to kill, is the president a 4 star general?

Like I said, these reforms can't be sudden to avoid a coup but this is where we should be aiming at.

First you can't plot a coup or overthrown the president when you don't have access to the president.

The reason there are lot of coup in Africa is because all our president have their direct security from the army.

Also have you ever wondered why no other military other than the army has ever successfully carried out a coup?

To stop coup you must unbundled the military.

Keep them very far from the seat of power, Kaduna is Nigerian "Arsenal" move troups out of Abuja.

Keep only the chiefs and a few other top officers in Abuja.

Revamp the military which is the way to go.

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Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Gr8amechi: 10:39pm On Jun 16, 2023
LordAdam16:


Tinubu does not have the political capital to perform those reforms you highlighted.

The military are not petroleum marketers or NLC you can intimidate with bluster.

In the kyn US you're talking up, the Pentagon failed its fifth consecutive audit in November 2022. Trillions of dollars unaccounted for.

They've not given birth to the POTUS, Senator, FBI/CIA Director, civil servant or activist that will so much as make a murmur about it.

If the military says they can't work with an NSA who's a former police officer, that is final.

Under different circumstances, say if we have a deliberately weakened military as is customary in the Middle East or the security situation isn't terse, then you could retire a bunch of senior officers and let ambition and greed create infighting amongst the top echelon. Then sneak in your appointee.

But as things stand, whatever the military wants it gets. Reform will only be tolerated from someone with significantly more cachet than the "I won with 8m votes" crooner.

Everyone create moats in Nigeria for self-preservation. Only doctors can be Ministers of Health and chief administrative officers of hospitals. Petroleum Minister must be from the SS. And many other norms that must be upheld.

-Lord

This is not impossible and like you said, hope you also note there is a secretary of defense.

A president can achieve what ever he wants to achieve if he is strategic and tactical.

You don't need to change so much as humans naturally are resistant to change but I can tell you, you can initiate changes and people will not really know.

The position of the NSA shouldn't be exclusively the general, it should be about merit because that's the most sensitive position.

A military general or colonel can get it if the person has background in intelligence.

But it's should not be just because he is a general.
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Gr8amechi: 10:41pm On Jun 16, 2023
Kukutenla:

This cannot even work.
And even in the US, the joint chiefs have access to the president. How can someone be commander in chief and the commanders of his troops don't have access to him
I didn't tell you they wouldn't have access, but they know they have someone they report to, kindly research more about USA defense and see.


These are some few structures put in place and that is why you have never seen a military Coup in the USA.


See our military and police are still in the colonial era, this is the mentality that is behind every atrocities that is committed to date.

We must move all our defense unit into independence and overhaul the system

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Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by RaptorX: 10:41pm On Jun 16, 2023
Nonsense American NSA's are not normally retired generals, even their secretary of defense are normally civilians. But the current one is a retired general so congress have to approve a retired general as secretary of defense because their is a law against appointing a retired general allowing Biden to appoint the current secretary of defense. I thought we are copying their system of government.

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Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Gr8amechi: 10:41pm On Jun 16, 2023
gidjah:
you speak well over this matter.The power giving to the Military system didn't just start today and any attempt to demilitarize ...would require a strong hand with sound MILLITARY background ,a rural rugged one at that.Iasues like this, resurrect coup.I grew up in the military sector and understand how we view civilians,the truth is that most of this generals are not even technically sound when it comes to this black ops ..they are just rugged and combatants.Whennit comes to terrorism, etc, special security forces like CIA FBI and even the police comes close in comparison to d MILLITARY.Na CORRUPTION DEY CAUSE THIS MESS TO CONTINUE TILL DATE.IT WAS ONLY OBJ that succeed in clipping the wings of this MILLITARY guys, he started breaking thuer wings and to continue with such u till this stage you envisage, civilian presidents that would be able to do this are very few.....in nigeria .
Thank you jare
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by 9jaRealist: 11:21pm On Jun 16, 2023
LordAdam16:
Bla bla bla. This shalaye is not necessary.

The military insisted and Tinubu stood down.

Whenever you get into a leadership position, you'll become intimately familiar with the wisdom of carefully choosing your battles.

Blah, blah, blah…
Some SR dude pulled this “report” from his ass, and some GULLIBLE Nigerians swallowed it hook line and sinker. grin grin
>
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Coolgent(m): 11:31pm On Jun 16, 2023
Corruption
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by pharmagba: 12:15am On Jun 17, 2023
savcy:
To be fair, they're right. An ex-policeman cannot head a body that every security agency answers to. However, Tinubu must do well to appoint a southern Christian veteran as NSA boss. There seem to be this sympathy for insurgents that pervades that office. Let's have a Southern Christian this time.
Nonsense

Devoid of wisdom
Ribadu is qualified he should be the NSA.
Stop your deliberate and mischievous ethno religious platitudes
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Kukutenla: 12:27am On Jun 17, 2023
cool
Gr8amechi:

I didn't tell you they wouldn't have access, but they know they have someone they report to, kindly research more about USA defense and see.


These are some few structures put in place and that is why you have never seen a military Coup in the USA.


See our military and police are still in the colonial era, this is the mentality that is behind every atrocities that is committed to date.

We must move all our defense unit into independence and overhaul the system
I know about the US situation and it's totally different from that of Nigeria. You're very correct about the colonial legacy of our military. It is for that reason I don't think the US style will work with us. The battle for US Independence was fought by farmers and peasants and by extension, that's why every American is allowed to bear arms. It is unlike here where bearing arms is a privilege reserved for a few. It is for these basic reasons that a bloody civilian can't just head the army in Nigeria and most other African countries.
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Sadisbala(m): 1:29am On Jun 17, 2023
savcy:
To be fair, they're right. An ex-policeman cannot head a body that every security agency answers to. However, Tinubu must do well to appoint a southern Christian veteran as NSA boss. There seem to be this sympathy for insurgents that pervades that office. Let's have a Southern Christian this time.
everything you most involved religion and when tge northerners started their own you will say they are overdoing it.Muslim deserve everything in this government if nit for the sake of unity because the government comes to power with thr 90% vote of Muslims mostly hausa northerners
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Minjim: 2:16am On Jun 17, 2023
This is trash.
This is a democracy, not a military regime.
The bulk stops at the president's table. . No one dictates to a president except the president doesn't know what he wants
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Minjim: 2:19am On Jun 17, 2023
savcy:
To be fair, they're right. An ex-policeman cannot head a body that every security agency answers to. However, Tinubu must do well to appoint a southern Christian veteran as NSA boss. There seem to be this sympathy for insurgents that pervades that office. Let's have a Southern Christian this time.

This is hogwash!
No one dictates to a president. This is democracy not military regime. The president is there to protect Nigeria"s interest not to please some egocentric power drunk military officers.

Except the president doesn't know what he wants
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Minjim: 2:21am On Jun 17, 2023
9jaRealist:


Blah, blah, blah…
Some SR dude pulled this “report” from his ass, and some GULLIBLE Nigerians swallowed it hook line and sinker. grin grin
>

Not me. The bulk stops on the president table. No one tells him what to do
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Microwhy: 6:40am On Jun 17, 2023
savcy:
To be fair, they're right. An ex-policeman cannot head a body that every security agency answers to. However, Tinubu must do well to appoint a southern Christian veteran as NSA boss. There seem to be this sympathy for insurgents that pervades that office. Let's have a Southern Christian this time.
So that he can use everything he would probably gather and knows about national security to inturn use it against Tinubu second term and subsequent Muslim contestants.
Obi has opened our eyes and have alerted us about politics of religion.
Babachir comes to mind.
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Dammyseyon(m): 7:23am On Jun 17, 2023
There's this forbidden secret in the military that top military officials have swore to protect, I don't know what it is, but I'm sure there's something cos wth?
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by orisa37: 8:16am On Jun 17, 2023
"Top-nigerian-military-officers-pressured-president-tinubu-drop-nuhu-ribadu-as-nsa".

THE ABOVE IS VERY WRONG MISLEADING AND MISCHIEVOUS.
NSA WORKS DIRECTLY IN ADVISORY CAPACITY WITH MR PRESIDENT. LIKE WITH OTHER NIGERIANS AND NIGERIAN COMPANIES, NSA HAS ONLY INDIRECT OBSERVATORY RELATIONSHIPS.
IN FACT , HE MAY GET ALL HIS BRIEFS FROM A VERY EDUCATED PERMANENT SECRETARY OF THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE AND PROCEED STRAIGHT TO C IN C.
AFTER ALL THE PERMANENT SECRETARY OF MOD IS RESPONSIBLE DIRECTLY TO MR. PRESIDENT AND THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE FOR TRANSFERRING PLACEMENT PROMOTIONS DEMOTIONS AND DISMISSALS OF MILITARY OFFICERS. THERE WAS LATE ADESANOYE OF MOD WHO WORKED PERFECTLY WITH OBASANJO. ANY MILITARY THAT WOULDN'T WORK PEACEFULLY WITH RIBADU SHOULD BE DISMISSED NOW. TINUBU IS A MILITANT LEADER WHO SHOULDN'T TAKE NONSENSE FILIBUSTERS FROM ANY QUARTERS.

FROM ORUNTO27 ORISAORUNTOSPEAKS
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Gr8amechi: 10:14am On Jun 17, 2023
Kukutenla:
cool

I know about the US situation and it's totally different from that of Nigeria. You're very correct about the colonial legacy of our military. It is for that reason I don't think the US style will work with us. The battle for US Independence was fought by farmers and peasants and by extension, that's why every American is allowed to bear arms. It is unlike here where bearing arms is a privilege reserved for a few. It is for these basic reasons that a bloody civilian can't just head the army in Nigeria and most other African countries.
And these privileges were because of colonial era where only the colonial masters had those rights.

Like I always postulate, Africa countries don't have independence yet, they just having a black neocolonialism.

We can't make progress going this way.

We have to address the root cause of the problem so the police or military will no longer see civilians as their slave.

Neither do the masses need to continue to feel that it's "us against them"
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by Dammysmart: 10:29am On Jun 17, 2023
ferhyntorlah:


Good question!
Its very expensive. The military is not a junta that you can sack anyone like that. There is a document called HTACOS. Find it and read on the terms that mst be fulfilled to retire personnel compulsorily without attaining 35yrs bar. Again, I say ITS VERY EXPENSIVE
Re: How Top Military Officers Pressured President Tinubu To Drop Nuhu Ribadu As NSA by ubox: 10:43am On Jun 17, 2023
sukkot:
must a country have ministers ?
Yes, Constitutional

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