sod09:
dat jus sum up aw stupid nd dull he's A manager that cant teach his players aw to survive 10men

You are wrong. Again!
Arsenal is the ONLY club with more wins than losses when down to 10 men.

In a few years time,
Rooney would be coach of Man United.
Gerrard, coach of Liverpool.
Lampard, coach of Chelsea.
Who would be coach of Arsenal?

Spy360:
In a few years time,

Rooney would be coach of Man United.

Gerrard, coach of Liverpool.

Lampard, coach of Chelsea.

Who would be coach of Arsenal?

Almunia??

Spy360:
In a few years time,

Rooney would be coach of Man United.

Gerrard, coach of Liverpool.

Lampard, coach of Chelsea.

Who would be coach of Arsenal?

If we go by your metrics of assumption, then it is fair to say Arsenal has T. Henry and P. Viera ( Both already have coaching badges)

So do we have a problem with our offense, defense or not all ? Having scored the most goals at this point in the season, why is it not reflecting points wise ?

edoyad:
So do we have a problem with our offense, defense or not all ? Having scored the most goals at this point in the season, why is it not reflecting points wise ?

Your maths is obviously faulty oga.....if you check properly,spurs are suppose to be ahead of you guys based on GF and GA. You guys are actually not doing badly in my opinion.

Spy360:
In a few years time,
Rooney would be coach of Man United.
Gerrard, coach of Liverpool.
Lampard, coach of Chelsea.
Who would be coach of Arsenal?

T.Henry.

Spy360:

A 10 is a central attacking midfielder.

From what I see United play, Pogba plays as a 10 most times.

For example, I saw the game against Liverpool, Pogba started as the CAM. When Rooney came in, he dropped into CDM to pair with Herrera.

Sometimes, a manager may even play a double 10.

Midfield Positions:

Central Defensive- holding, box to box.

Central Attacking- playmaker

Wing Attacking- wingers of which there are different types nowadays.

Most recently we now have Deep Lying Playmakers as made popular by Pirlo.

Football is evolving and new formations and positions are introduced. Some are even confusing and a mixture. For example, Wingbacks and Sweeper Keepers (popularised by Neuer).

So just keep yourself abreast and follow the trend.

Bro, in a 4-3-3 which Mou deploys most times there is no 10 for Pogba to man,except occasionally when he goes with a 4-2-3-1.

Deep Lying Playmaker, Sweeper keeper, are not positions per se buh rather playing attributes or styles of either a DM,CM and GK respectively.

Formations have become dynamic that you can have 2 Players at the base of a team's midfield in the pre match lineup as DMs, buh in reality only one functions as the DM while the other is a CM (in this case a b2b ).
I guess that was what eph12 was tryna explain to KokaneNobody.

Same way you have Poachers in attack , Sweepers, instigators in Defence ,midfield dynamos,maestros and conductors in MF.

Spy360:
In a few years time,

Rooney would be coach of Man United.

Gerrard, coach of Liverpool.

Lampard, coach of Chelsea.

Who would be coach of Arsenal?

Gilberto Silva (my best Assenal midfielder ).

elrony:


Bro, in a 4-3-3 which Mou deploys most times there is no 10 for Pogba to man,except occasionally when he goes with a 4-2-3-1.

Deep Lying Playmaker, Sweeper keeper, are not positions per se buh rather playing attributes or styles of either a DM,CM and GK respectively.

Formations have become dynamic that you can have 2 Players at the base of a team's midfield in the pre match lineup as DMs, buh in reality only one functions as the DM while the other is a CM (in this case a b2b ).
I guess that was what eph12 was tryna explain to KokaneNobody.

Same way you have Poachers in attack , Sweepers, instigators in Defence ,midfield dynamos,maestros and conductors in MF.

It was even obvious Fellaini and Pogba were not occupying same position if you watch the match. Pogba was always ahead of him and someone says they were both DM. What kind of DM is that?

eph12:

It was even obvious Fellaini and Pogba were not occupying same position if you watch the match. Pogba was always ahead of him and someone says they were both DM. What kind of DM is that?

"Direct Message" i think.

elrony:


Bro, in a 4-3-3 which Mou deploys most times there is no 10 for Pogba to man,except occasionally when he goes with a 4-2-3-1.

Deep Lying Playmaker, Sweeper keeper, are not positions per se buh rather playing attributes or styles of either a DM,CM and GK respectively.

Formations have become dynamic that you can have 2 Players at the base of a team's midfield in the pre match lineup as DMs, buh in reality only one functions as the DM while the other is a CM (in this case a b2b ).
I guess that was what eph12 was tryna explain to KokaneNobody.

Same way you have Poachers in attack , Sweepers, instigators in Defence ,midfield dynamos,maestros and conductors in MF.

I agree with most of what you mentioned. But not all...

Sweeper keeper is a variation of the GK position. Just as wingback is a variation of the fullback position. That's the difference between Hart and Bravo.

Central midfield is split into attacking and defensive.

When teams played 4-4-2, they employ just one CDM and one CAM. Current formations (4-3-3 and 4-5-1) employ either two CDM or two CAM. In most cases it is the former where one of the CDM is the runner or box to box as some prefer to call it.

So invariably, a box to box is still a DM per se. While the holding DM waits to break up play, the box to box guy hassles the opponent, some times chasing the ball to the GK.

As for Pogba, I have seen him play all CM positions for United. Recently, he has been deployed more as a CAM referred to as a 10. Typical as Ramsey, he plays holding DM or box DM, he can even play as an AM as he does for Wales.

So there is a 10 in a 4-3-3.

............................. De Gea .........................
Valencia ... Jones .. Rojo .. Darmian
.................. Carrick .. Herrera .................
............................ Pogba ...........................
Mkhi .................... Ibra ............. Martial

Spy360:

I agree with most of what you mentioned. But not all...

Sweeper keeper is a variation of the GK position. Just as wingback is a variation of the fullback position. That's the difference between Hart and Bravo.

Central midfield is split into attacking and defensive.

When teams played 4-4-2, they employ just one CDM and one CAM. Current formations (4-3-3 and 4-5-1) employ either two CDM or two CAM. In most cases it is the former where one of the CDM is the runner or box to box as some prefer to call it.

So invariably, a box to box is still a DM per se. While the holding DM waits to break up play, the box to box guy hassles the opponent, some times chasing the ball to the GK.

As for Pogba, I have seen him play all CM positions for United. Recently, he has been deployed more as a CAM referred to as a 10. Typical as Ramsey, he plays holding DM or box DM, he can even play as an AM as he does for Wales.

So there is a 10 in a 4-3-3.

............................. De Gea .........................
Valencia ... Jones .. Rojo .. Darmian
.................. Carrick .. Herrera .................
............................ Pogba ...........................
Mkhi .................... Ibra ............. Martial

Ogbeni, the GK position has no variation, abi you don see DGK and AGK before
"Sweeper keeper" as you call it is rather a player attribute or style not a GK position e.g as found in Neuer, "comedy keeper" is the same too e.g Bravo

when you deploy a 4-4-2 not a variant as in "diamond" you'd be fielding at least two CMs and zero 10.

Ogbeni in a 4-3-3, you are primarily playing a DM and two CMs (RCM and LCM) no CAM.

The formation you depicted below is 4-2-1-3 a variation, not 4-3-3 itself.

Hope you understand?

eph12:

It was even obvious Fellaini and Pogba were not occupying same position if you watch the match. Pogba was always ahead of him and someone says they were both DM. What kind of DM is that?

Maybe na dat Yo Gotti "DM"

diggz:



Your maths is obviously faulty oga.....if you check properly,spurs are suppose to be ahead of you guys based on GF and GA. You guys are actually not doing badly in my opinion.

What you're doing is actually saying our defence is the problem then. I say that cos if the defense had conceded fewer goals ....

edoyad:



What you're doing is actually saying our defence is the problem then. I say that cos if the defense had conceded fewer goals ....

Yeah u correct.....

Roland17:


If we go by your metrics of assumption, then it is fair to say Arsenal has T. Henry and P. Viera ( Both already have coaching badges)

Vieira yes, Henry? The way he does his punditing, I am not sure if he can handle management.

elrony:


Ogbeni, the GK position has no variation, abi you don see DGK and AGK before
"Sweeper keeper" as you call it is rather a player attribute or style not a GK position e.g as found in Neuer, "comedy keeper" is the same too e.g Bravo

when you deploy a 4-4-2 not a variant as in "diamond" you'd be fielding at least two CMs and zero 10.

Ogbeni in a 4-3-3, you are primarily playing a DM and two CMs (RCM and LCM) no CAM.

The formation you depicted below is 4-2-1-3 a variation, not 4-3-3 itself.

Hope you understand?

On GK, the sweeper in the team is usually a player in the defence line- I remember Lothar Mathaus (maybe you were not born then ) but now some managers like Pep add that role to the GK job. It's like comparing an orthodox FB with a modern WB.

I can ignore your case on GK but not on the 10. The 10 is the chance creator, unless you pattern you team to just defend. But from all I have seen United under Mou, there have always been a 10. He started with Rooney, then Mata on few occasions, and Pogba recently.

In a 442 diamond, what do you mean by 2 CMs without a 10?

Ancelotti is the godfather of diamond formations, you just have to look at all his teams. Wo do you think is at the tip of the diamond?

Currently he plays a 433 which easily transits to a 4231, using Thiago as his 10 in both situations.

Lastly, a 4213 is a 433 unless you plan to park bus. This couldn't have been United's formation...

............................. De Gea .........................
Valencia ... Jones .. Rojo .. Darmian
Carrick .............. Pogba .......... Herrera
Mkhi .................... Ibra ............. Martial

Hope you too understand?

eph12:

It was even obvious Fellaini and Pogba were not occupying same position if you watch the match. Pogba was always ahead of him and someone says they were both DM. What kind of DM is that?

I doubt if you even know your first eleven not to talk of their positions. Mtchew!

Spy360:

I doubt if you even know your first eleven not to talk of their positions. Mtchew!

A. Mourinho does not even have a first eleven yet even when everyone is fully fit.

B. I believe the argument is about our first 3-5 matches or so when Fellaini and Hererra were pairing Pogba in a two man midfield.

Spy360:


On GK, the sweeper in the team is usually a player in the defence line- I remember Lothar Mathaus (maybe you were not born then ) but now some managers like Pep add that role to the GK job. It's like comparing an orthodox FB with a modern WB.

I can ignore your case on GK but not on the 10. The 10 is the chance creator, unless you pattern you team to just defend. But from all I have seen United under Mou, there have always been a 10. He started with Rooney, then Mata on few occasions, and Pogba recently.

In a 442 diamond, what do you mean by 2 CMs without a 10?

Ancelotti is the godfather of diamond formations, you just have to look at all his teams. Wo do you think is at the tip of the diamond?

Currently he plays a 433 which easily transits to a 4231, using Thiago as his 10 in both situations.

Lastly, a 4213 is a 433 unless you plan to park bus. This couldn't have been United's formation...

............................. De Gea .........................
Valencia ... Jones .. Rojo .. Darmian
Carrick .............. Pogba .......... Herrera
Mkhi .................... Ibra ............. Martial

Hope you too understand?

From all you've seen?... e clear say na only 5 man U matches you don watch this season

Nwanna, read the bolded and understand the sentence you made reference to na.

Sorry jare, Mou's 4-3-3, is built with Carrick as the pivot,Pogba and Herrera as RCM and LCM.
No "10". That's been our best and most used formation so far. (I guess you can call it a 4-1-2-3 if you want )

eph12:

A. Mourinho does not even have a first eleven yet even when everyone is fully fit.

B. I believe the argument is about our first 3-5 matches or so when Fellaini and Hererra were pairing Pogba in a two man midfield.

First of all, Mou NEVER plays a two man midfield. Never.

elrony:


From all you've seen?... e clear say na only 5 man U matches you don watch this season

Nwanna, read the bolded and understand the sentence you made reference to na.

Sorry jare, Mou's 4-3-3, is built with Carrick as the pivot,Pogba and Herrera as RCM and LCM.
No "10". That's been our best and most used formation so far. (I guess you can call it a 4-1-2-3 if you want )

Forget Man United's formation for now. Let me assume the 4-1-2-3 formation you gave. Didn't you notice you play a double 10?

Back to Man United, that is a highly attacking formation you gave. And Mou will never push men forward like that. Every body that follows Mou know this basic fact.

If you need a formation where a 10 is not used, it is Leicester's 442 last season. That was a counter attacking formation, which had failed in times past but was ressurected by Raniery. But even in that, one of the strikers drops back. In Leicester it was Okazaki.

Spy360:


Forget Man United's formation for now. Let me assume the 4-1-2-3 formation you gave. Didn't you notice you play a double 10?

Back to Man United, that is a highly attacking formation you gave. And Mou will never push men forward like that. Every body that follows Mou know this basic fact.

If you need a formation where a 10 is not used, it is Leicester's 442 last season. That was a counter attacking formation, which had failed in times past but was ressurected by Raniery. But even in that, one of the strikers drops back. In Leicester it was Okazaki.

What do you understand by a 10 sef? Stop confusing yourself thinking we play two CAMs, we don't!

It's both RCM and LCM

Spy360:

First of all, Mou NEVER plays a two man midfield. Never.

Oh

elrony:


What do you understand by a 10 sef? Stop confusing yourself thinking we play two CAMs, we don't!

It's both RCM and LCM

I need to ask you the same question because I don't get what the 'C' in your RCM and LCM means.

Oh! I see your one eye...

edoyad come out here and explain all these ass'es LCM abi na HCF ..
I don't know when footy turn to maths
Win league No
Win champions League No
LCM and HCF yes

fredoooooo:
edoyad come out here and explain all these ass'es LCM abi na HCF ..
I don't know when footy turn to maths
Win league No
Win champions League No
LCM and HCF yes

LMAOOO you sef ehn.

Spy360:

I need to ask you the same question because I don't get what the 'C' in your RCM and LCM means.

Oh! I see your one eye...

Right Central Midfielder as in normal human being CM

elrony:


LMAOOO you sef ehn.

Don't mind these people Jare ,they are all clowns

A flat 4-4-2 does not have a CAM. Leicester, Diego Simeone's Atletico most of the time, Arrigo Sacchi's Milan.

A diamond 4-4-2 has a DM, 2CMs and a CAM.

That was what Elrony was trying to teach people here.

fredoooooo:

Don't mind these people Jare ,they are all clowns

Hehehehe Headoyad and his band of Merry men