dayokanu: Definitely moving from Bayern to Man utd is a step down

Cos in every footballing factor Bayern outperforms Man Utd.

It's only uninformed people who would think otherwise

You are the one who is uninformed. Trophies don't make you into a class. United is a better brand than Bayern any day.

dayokanu: Definitely moving from Bayern to Man utd is a step down

Cos in every footballing factor Bayern outperforms Man Utd.

It's only uninformed people who would think otherwise

You are the one who is uninformed. Trophies don't make you into a class. United is a better brand than Bayern any day.

dayokanu:

And does Ronaldo popularity make him better than Messi ?

Football is not a popularity contest. Its what you do on the field

We are talking about brand here you know. Your total package, the way the world sees and value you. Remember, we talking about class not skills. You talk as if no player will leave Bayern and play for United.

But the question as to why you said EPL is weaker than Bundesliga, you are yet to respond. I will like to learn. Or in your language, to be informed.

Football is also business for the club and player. Take a look at articles below:


Beckham's shirt and boot sales stand at a staggering £1billion... and PSG expect to bank £15m

By Alex Miller

PUBLISHED: 22:18, 9 February 2013 | UPDATED: 23:34, 9 February 2013


David Beckham, set to make his debut for Paris Saint-Germain next weekend, has raised a staggering £1billion in shirt and boot sales in his career, with £15million worth expected from his five-month stint in the French capital alone.

The French club, bankrolled by Qatar's sovereign wealth fund, expect to cash in on the Beckham factor by selling 150,000 replica kits bearing the former England captain's name before the end of the season.



Top seller: David Beckham shirts with the number 32 hang in the Paris Saint-Germain Club shop

Despite retailing for £95, sales of the 'Beckham 32' shirts have reached 'thousands' in the week since the former England captain announced he was signing for his new club.

A large number of sales are expected to come from the UK, France, the US and Qatar, while the midfielder will earn a percentage of sales in image rights payments.

Beckham has yet to play for the big-spending French title hopefuls, who take on Valencia in the Champions League last 16 this week, but aims to make his debut at Sochaux next weekend.

His global appeal shows no signs of diminishing even though he is 38 this year.

He has enjoyed a longterm relationship with adidas worth millions and officials at the German kit supplier estimate a staggering 10 million replica Beckham shirts have been sold during his 20-year playing career, worth £950m at today's prices.

About five million of his shirts were sold by Manchester United and Real Madrid.



Big numbers: David Beckham kit sales have topped £a1billion

Beckham also endorses the adidas Predator boot and has helped sell millions of pairs, taking his worth to kit suppliers over £1bn.

Although he has donated his PSG salary to French children's charities, he has received substantial income from shirt and boot sales in his career.

Income from his image rights and sponsorship deals are paid through his company, Footwork Productions.

In 2011, the company earned £15.2m, of which Beckham paid himself £13.3m.

The company paid him a further £75m in salary and dividends between 2002 and 2009. Beckham became a global icon at Old Trafford before becoming one of the 'galacticos' at Real Madrid.

His shirt sold globally during his four seasons in the Spanish capital, with a million shirts reportedly sold in the first year.

MLS commissioner Dan Garber says Beckham sold 300,000 shirts a year during his five-and-a-half years with LA Galaxy.

 

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Beckham could make PSG bow as early as next weekend

Something for the Weekend: Beckham set to watch PSG match in London, Real and Juve warm up for Champions League and in-form Wilshere hopes to sink Sunderland
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2276177/David-Beckham-shirt-sales-1billion.html

EXCLUSIVE: Manchester United and Real Madrid top global shirt sale charts

By Alex Miller

and Nick Harris

SJA Internet Sports Writer of the Year

8 October 2012

Manchester United and Real Madrid have sold an average of 1.4m official replica shirts globally each year in the past five years – more than any other clubs in the world.

The commercial giants of English and Spanish football wear kits made respectively by Nike and adidas and those sales numbers are from the 2007-08 season to the 2011-12 season inclusive.

The figures are taken from authoritative new research by a leading international sports marketing consultancy, and are published in full by Sportingintelligence for the first time today.

As the graphic below shows, Barcelona are No3 on the sales list (Nike, average 1.15m sales a year) followed by Chelsea in fourth place (adidas, 910,000).

The top 10 also includes Bayern Munich (adidas), Liverpool (adidas during the research period, now Warrior), Arsenal (Nike), Juventus (Nike), Inter Milan (Nike) and Milan (adidas).

Another article elsewhere on this site today (linked here) explores the value of football shirt income to the clubs, and to the major brands.

Chelsea are the most significant ‘climbers’ since detailed market statistics were last published by this site two years ago. They were adidas’s joint-second best sellers with Liverpool and Bayern Munich two years ago but have moved clear into second place for adidas – and fourth overall – now.

Undoubtedly there was a 2011-12 uplift because of success in the Champions League.

(See the top 10 and equivalent data from a report in 2010 here).

The figures have been compiled by veteran analyst Dr Peter Rohlmann and his team at the consulting bureau, PR Marketing, who have worked as consultants to major brands, leagues and other organisations.

 

Article continues below



There is a misconception in some quarters that big clubs sell tens of millions of shirts a year but this is simply untrue. As the graphic shows, only three clubs sell more than 1m shirts a year each consistently. The figures do not include counterfeit merchandise.

Taking the five-year view of sales is considered a more reliable indicator of sustainable popularity than one-season snapshots, which hold the likelihood of peaks and troughs caused by individual trophy wins, player transfers or the release of new kits.

As the notes at the foot of the graphic show, Rohlmann has provided a ‘bracket’ of sales for each club for the 2011-12 season alone. Real Madrid and United both sold more than 1.5m shirts in the year.

The official Manchester United Investor Relations website says that “over five million items of Manchester United branded licensed products were sold in the last year, including over two million Manchester United jerseys”.

But it is unclear exactly what period ‘last year’ refers to – possibly a 12-month period including part of two summer transfer windows – the period when shirts traditionally sell in greatest volumes.

Dr Rohlmann says that for 40 per cent of all United merchandise to be shirts “is extremely high compared to other top European football clubs” and is “outstanding” if for a single 12-month period. There is also no clarity on the United website over whether ‘jersey’ means football kit shirts or all United shirts, T-shirts and other tops.
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/10/08/exclusive-manchester-united-and-real-madrid-top-global-shirt-sale-charts-081001/

'Rooney' has been revealed as the top-selling name on the back of Premier League replica shirts over the past 20 seasons.

Football

The Manchester United striker has beaten Liverpool's Steven Gerrard to the honour with Fernando Torres in third followed by Cristiano Ronaldo and Frank Lampard.



The figures come from Sporting iD, the company that provides the numbers and letters for the shirts.

"Had David Beckham remained in the Premier League then this list might have looked different," said Rob Thayne, the company's global sales & marketing director.

"Certainly his move to Real Madrid in the summer of 2003 triggered record sales of 'Beckham 23' shirts, and before him Eric Cantona was a best seller.

The final analysis

"We first started producing Rooney's official player identity in 2002 after he made his professional debut with Everton at the age of 16. We then had to expand that production greatly following his move to Manchester United in the summer of 2004.

"But he truly went into a league of his own in 2007 when Ruud van Nistelrooy vacated the Manchester United number 10 and there is a global demand that shows no sign of abating."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17888426.

......... RVP has temporary moved to number 1 in shirt sales. Gerald is second in UK while Rooney is third. Rooney is second in the US. Kagawa was the highest selling for Dortmund but he is far behind in Manchester.

#Top 10 selling football players kit in U.S.A.

1 . Robin van Persie ( Manchester United ) *
2 . Wayne Rooney ( Manchester United ) *
3 . Fernando Torres ( Chelsea )
4 . Eden Hazard ( Chelsea )
5 . Frank Lampard ( Chelsea )
6 . Clint Dempsey ( Tottenham Hotspur )
7 . Steven Gerrard ( Liverpool)
8 . Javier Hernandez ( Manchester United ) *
9 . Shinji Kagawa ( Manchester United ) *
10 . Jack Wilshere ( Arsenal )


On the overall scale, Rooney has sold more shirts than anyone else in the EPL, and at a time he was said to be commanding over 30%-45% of the manchester sale, when you consider that United has average of 1.4m yearly sale, you can imagine the income for the club. Business mehn!

elampiro:

#1 Manchester United - Forbes.com

Value: $2.23 billion
Owner: Glazer family

The Red Devils are the world's most valuable sports team and have a long tradition of great play on the pitch. Manchester United has captured a record 19 English Premiership titles and claims to have 659 million fans worldwide. Next up for the Red Devils: an IPO on the New York Stock Exchange to reduce debt from Malcolm Glazer's purchase of the club in 2005.



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http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45ikdf/1-manchester-united-2/

You can go to the link and check for the most valued 50 sports club.

Talking facts.

I am reacting to your statement that going from Bayern to United is taking a step down in class. Define class! How many people follow Bayern? When you talk class, talk about Man U, Madrid and Barca. That's all. Following any other is a whole bunch of headache.

What percentage of that 2 billion is debt free? Followership na him you dey take judge hehe dis one don miss road! The Knicks are more valuable than the Celtics that makes them better right?

elampiro:

Put Ronaldo where you have Beckham and give me the result. Ronaldo is the most followed footballer in the world, and the richest too.

Look at this jokester! Can you compare Ronaldo's achievements to Beckham? Even at that you dare not mention Ronaldo in the same breathe with Zidane. We are talking of a player's ability and you are talking about followership and wealth! I'm sure to you Drake is better than Nas

Deiok: if ure a bayern fan what then are you doing here, or you cant read.

Lool @ this JJC! Come chase me comot nau!

A-40:

What percentage of that 2 billion is debt free? Followership na him you dey take judge hehe dis one don miss road! The Knicks are more valuable than the Celtics that makes them better right?


Look at this jokester! Can you compare Ronaldo's achievements to Beckham? Even at that you dare not mention Ronaldo in the same breathe with Zidane. We are talking of a player's ability and you are talking about followership and wealth! I'm sure to you Drake is better than Nas


Lool @ this JJC! Come chase me comot nau!

The start of the argument was class. I am not comparing players ability here. When Ronaldo finishes his career before you can start comparing him with Zidane.

Secondly, value here means he debt had been net off. Don't you know how forbes rates?

elampiro:

You are the one who is uninformed. Trophies don't make you into a class. United is a better brand than Bayern any day.

What makes you class? Finest stadium? Highest selling jerseys?

United and Bayern are not mates by the any stretch of the imagination when it comes to the metrics that actually matter! We have more trophies,bigger players,bigger managers if this where the army Bayern are Major Generals and Man United are Colonels

LOL. This should be entertaining.

A-40:

What makes you class? Finest stadium? Highest selling jerseys?

United and Bayern are not mates by the any stretch of the imagination when it comes to the metrics that actually matter! We have more trophies,bigger players,bigger managers if this where the army Bayern are Major Generals and Man United are Colonels

I have told you that Forbes rates United as world most valued sports club (debt net off), and also most loved. It's the strongest brand in sports. Like an ambassador for sports.

Mr Charisma.

Zidane and Ronaldino are unknown outside football and will probably go broke soon, but Beckham's income lives forever from various sources. That's branding.

A-40:

What makes you class? Finest stadium? Highest selling jerseys?

United and Bayern are not mates by the any stretch of the imagination when it comes to the metrics that actually matter! We have more trophies,bigger players,bigger managers if this where the army Bayern are Major Generals and Man United are Colonels

Not true unless you are counting certain trophies and neglecting others.

elampiro:

I have told you that Forbes rates United as world most valued sports club (debt net off), and also most loved. It's the strongest brand in sports. Like an ambassador for sports.

Mr Charisma.

Man take a seat with this your Forbes nonsense! The New York Knicks are the most valuable franchise in basketball but only a mad man would compare them to the Celtics and the Lakers

elampiro:

Zidane and Ronaldino are unknown outside football and will probably go broke soon, but Beckham's income lives forever from various sources. That's branding.

Smh! I don't even know what to say about this! I'm guessing you are their accountant or sumn

montelik:

Not true unless you are counting certain trophies and neglecting others.

Trophies that matter! I'm not talking about Principal's cup,Shell Cup,WAFU Cup and all that

23 League Titles
5 Champions League
2 Intercontinental Cups
1 Cup Winners Cup
1 UEFA Cup
15 FA cups

dayokanu:

To teach ignorant man utd fans sense to respect their oga at the top

clearly you dont know football, theres no way bayern is superior to man utd be it power or history.. That your little opinion is not going to change it.

What is bayern muncher?does it mean the copycat of man utd?mtsheew

Show us anything footballing that man utd exceeds Bayern.

Every trophy Bayern has more.

elampiro:
We are talking about brand here you know. Your total package, the way the world sees and value you. Remember, we talking about class not skills. You talk as if no player will leave Bayern and play for United.

Total package? what is total package? Ronaldo is a better brand than Messi, Does that make him a better footballer than Messi?

Any player who leaves Bayern for Man Utd is taking a career step back

But the question as to why you said EPL is weaker than Bundesliga, you are yet to respond. I will like to learn. Or in your language, to be informed.

Check the ranking for 2012/2013

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2013.html

Deiok: clearly you dont know football, theres no way bayern is superior to man utd be it power or history.. That your little opinion is not going to change it.

Champions League

Bayern 5 Man Utd 3

Cup Winners Cup

Bayern 1 Man Utd 1

UEFA Cup

Bayern 1 Man Utd 0

Intercontinental Cup

Bayern 2 Man Utd 1


League

Bayern 23 man Utd 20

FA Cup

Bayern 15 Man Utd 11

Fussbot: What is bayern muncher?does it mean the copycat of man utd?mtsheew

Bayern copy Man Utd?

Head to Head Bayern still schools Man Utd anyday anytime

A-40:


Man take a seat with this your Forbes nonsense! The New York Knicks are the most valuable franchise in basketball but only a mad man would compare them to the Celtics and the Lakers



Smh! I don't even know what to say about this! I'm guessing you are their accountant or sumn


Trophies that matter! I'm not talking about Principal's cup,Shell Cup,WAFU Cup and all that

23 League Titles
5 Champions League
2 Intercontinental Cups
1 Cup Winners Cup
1 UEFA Cup
15 FA cups

Class we are arguing. I am not arguing anything else with you for now. The club with the higher class is definitely more loved. Simple. Without class you can't brand and make sales ahead of the rest. So you use of class is nonsense, you should have chosen another word.

Ronaldo is more classing than Messi. Ask women and media houses. If they were to end their careers today, Ronaldo will be raking in more money from various sources, just as Beckham. Ronaldo is only the second footballer to be voted as world sexiest man by E- TV. Beckam was the first and Ronaldo twice. John Cena has been there too.

dayokanu: Show us anything footballing that man utd exceeds Bayern.

Every trophy Bayern has more.

Did you say Bayern has more Trophy or you said it was more classy?

Man United is the strongest brand in sports followed by Madrid. May be you have to re-think about what you call class. If Bayern like they should win a million trophies, they will always remain inferior to Man United and Madrid in terms of brand. Same way Barca irrespective of their recent success is a weaker brand than Madrid in the eyes of the public.

dayokanu:

Total package? what is total package? Ronaldo is a better brand than Messi, Does that make him a better footballer than Messi?

Any player who leaves Bayern for Man Utd is taking a career step back



Check the ranking for 2012/2013

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2013.html

The table in your link shows that Spain is 1st, England 2nd and Germany 3rd. That is the overall ranking over 6 years yet you were claiming Bundesliga is stronger. In 2013 it is normal to move Germany up because of this years UCL, just as Wigan can temporary be pushed above Man City in ranking due to their FA cup success. But clearly the table in your link ranked England higher than Germany on overall ranking.

dayokanu:

Champions League

Bayern 5 Man Utd 3

Cup Winners Cup

Bayern 1 Man Utd 1

UEFA Cup

Bayern 1 Man Utd 0

Intercontinental Cup

Bayern 2 Man Utd 1


League

Bayern 23 man Utd 20

FA Cup

Bayern 15 Man Utd 11

If you like put AC Milan too with more UCL trophies, they and your Bayern are a weaker brand than Man United is sports. Put them in the market and their value will help you determine their class. If you had not used class, you will have a point.

It is not the babe who made the highest score in a class that is more classy. Beauty, personal attributes, packaging and ability to attract real suitors come in while determining class. Same way United class is able to woo investors and buyers. That's why United sells more Jersey and are most valued sports club. Class!

elampiro:

Class we are arguing. I am not arguing anything else with you for now. The club with the higher class is definitely more loved. Simple. Without class you can't brand and make sales ahead of the rest. So you use of class is nonsense, you should have chosen another word.

Ronaldo is more classing than Messi. Ask women and media houses. If they were to end their careers today, Ronaldo will be raking in more money from various sources, just as Beckham. Ronaldo is only the second footballer to be voted as world sexiest man by E- TV. Beckam was the first and Ronaldo twice. John Cena has been there too.

Do you work for E! Or sumn? We dey talk of football you dey talk of sexiness? You well so?
We are talking about pedigree and footballing achievements you dey ask me make I ask women and media houses? You think footballers give a damn about that?

A-40:

Do you work for E! Or sumn? We dey talk of football you dey talk of sexiness? You well so?
We are talking about pedigree and footballing achievements you dey ask me make I ask women and media houses? You think footballers give a damn about that?

You are you well? Don't insult me please.

We are talking about being classy. What social class football has brought to players and team. What is the brand in the eyes of the public? How much value has your football placed over you?

elampiro:

You are you well? Don't insult me please.

We are talking about being classy. What social class football has brought to players and team. What is the brand in the eyes of the public? How much value has your football placed over you?

When you claim what I say is nonsense you have insulted me already! So you started it bro

And I'm talking about class on the football pitch! 50 years from now no one would remember who was the sexiest player on E!,who sold the most jerseys and who had the most sponsors! What people would judge your "class" by is the number of hardware in your museum! That is why Beckham would never be higher than Ronaldinho or Zidane no matter how much money he makes or how many jerseys he sells

elampiro:

Did you say Bayern has more Trophy or you said it was more classy?

Man United is the strongest brand in sports followed by Madrid. May be you have to re-think about what you call class. If Bayern like they should win a million trophies, they will always remain inferior to Man United and Madrid in terms of brand. Same way Barca irrespective of their recent success is a weaker brand than Madrid in the eyes of the public.

Classy? What a retardded statement? What is classy? Is classy the reason football clubs are playing?

2 students sit for same exams and one leads in all subjects the other is asking who is more classy?

In footballing terms Bayern schools Man Utd every day of the week and twice on weekends deal with that

We are not mates on any level

elampiro:

The table in your link shows that Spain is 1st, England 2nd and Germany 3rd. That is the overall ranking over 6 years yet you were claiming Bundesliga is stronger. In 2013 it is normal to move Germany up because of this years UCL, just as Wigan can temporary be pushed above Man City in ranking due to their FA cup success. But clearly the table in your link ranked England higher than Germany on overall ranking.

Why should we bother about the ranking of 6yrs ago. 6yrs ago Kaka was the hottest football player alive, Nowadays he cant even get a starting shirt

This is 2013 and as at 2013 Bundesliga has be shown to be a stronger league than EPL

elampiro:
If you like put AC Milan too with more UCL trophies, they and your Bayern are a weaker brand than Man United is sports. Put them in the market and their value will help you determine their class. If you had not used class, you will have a point.

It is not the babe who made the highest score in a class that is more classy. Beauty, personal attributes, packaging and ability to attract real suitors come in while determining class. Same way United class is able to woo investors and buyers. That's why United sells more Jersey and are most valued sports club. Class!

This is asinine on so many levels.

Who cares about how many clubs are sexy or sell Jersey?

Right now I remember Bayern and Ajax are the best teams in 1970, Can you tell us the sexy teams of 1970?

I remember Liverpool to be the top teams of the 1980's Can you tell us the team that sold most jersey in that period?

I can tell you Milan was the top team of the early 90, Can you tell us which club then the ladies wanted to fuucck their players?

If you like sell Jersey and make Kim Kardashian cumm If you dont do what you are supposed to do on the field you would be forgotten in the analss of footballing history

Its only losers that cling onto stupidd awards instead of the one that counts.

Pikin fail school, dem say he get fine handwriting, Who cares how good your writing looks

[img]http://img1.nairaland.com/attachments/1122346_clubs_jpgb91c64bf151d01cf3464dd158837ebcd[/img]

end of discussion....
bayern are light years below united in history, fanbase, titles won, money, class, etc

coogar: [img]http://img1.nairaland.com/attachments/1122346_clubs_jpgb91c64bf151d01cf3464dd158837ebcd[/img]

end of discussion....
bayern are light years below united in history, fanbase, titles won, money, class, etc

Summing up irrelevant trophies like Carling Cup, Worthnothing cup, Emirates cup etc dont count.

The cups that count are Continental trophies League and FA cups

Its like someone claiming they won Asoju Oba cup and Principals cup

dayokanu:

Summing up irrelevant trophies like Carling Cup, Worthnothing cup, Emirates cup etc dont count.

The cups that count are Continental trophies League and FA cups

Its like someone claiming they won Asoju Oba cup and Principals cup

that's because you are a tool - every cup counts.....
community shield is the supercup equivalent in spain. you listed premier league title and FA cup but your common sense cannot tell you the winner of community shield would be superior to those 2. then again, you listed bayern's 2 intercontinental cup but you are too retardëd to put man utd's FIFA club world cup? when you learn how to count, get back to us.....