A-40:
I may not be down with Arsenal anymore but hey Man U lost and its a public holiday so

All ma ladies all ma ladies. Kukere Kukere Decale Decale Etighi Etighi



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoV1VSpKLo&n

Lol -- Feelz more better dancin' it with 'em Toffees Ladies

A-40:

@Cristalz
Why can't Fergie just retire those old muchachos? Scholes and Giggs! Their mate Pippo Inzaghi is already coaching juniors at Milan

ritchboy:
Of course Fellaini targeted Carrick intentionally. You want Vidic to go and double-team Fellaini and leave a massive hole on the other side?

StarBoard: It's pretty simple:if the midfield riddle isn't solved, we ain't winning squat.
Over to you, mr. coogar. If you still think we don't need any re-inforcements in the middle, I don't know what else to say.

For me, it's a case of knowing what to do but just refusing to do it.
You can't have a live wire like Kagawa yet put Paul Scholes on to slow things down.
Tom Cleverley?Still yet to convince me.

Anderson?Please let the dude go.Im not optimistic about his abilities anymore.
When I saw Ashley Young, I laughed.That dude's signing is a fraud:I'm yet to be convinced that he can play for us.

As it stands we need to trim a lot of excess fat and carry out surgical reforms in the midfield.Else we're in for a long season.

And also I'm still wondering why people feel Nani deserves £120k a week.On the strength of his performance last night, he is a dimwitted fool for daring to ask for a raise.i won't miss him if he's sold.A supposed winger of his caliber can't take a decent corner-kick to beat the first man at the box.And his crossing was abysmal.
Let the cheeky punk to and die, jare.

debosky: How can a midfield which managed more possession than the Everton team be the cause of the problem?

Forget the missing defenders - Utd had sufficient possession to hurt Everton, but the over £100m of attacking talent put on the pitch were not good enough to beat an Everton defence that cost less than a fifth.

StarBoard: @debosky,
Shocking analysis from you.
No matter the attacking talent on display, if the midfield doesn't do it's job, the team will most likely lose.
coogar is spot on as per how the game went.After Everton scored the game could still be on up till now and united would be looking for the equalizer.Before then Everton over-ran our midfield and pretty much bossed proceedings there.

StarBoard: @debosky,
Shocking analysis from you.
No matter the attacking talent on display, if the midfield doesn't do it's job, the team will most likely lose.

coogar is spot on as per how the game went.After Everton scored the game could still be on up till now and united would be looking for the equalizer.Before then Everton over-ran our midfield and pretty much bossed proceedings there.

StarBoard: @debosky,
Shocking analysis from you.
No matter the attacking talent on display, if the midfield doesn't do it's job, the team will most likely lose.
coogar is spot on as per how the game went.After Everton scored the game could still be on up till now and united would be looking for the equalizer.Before then Everton over-ran our midfield and pretty much bossed proceedings there.

debosky:
IF - I'm glad you said IF. This same midfield is where coogar claims Cleverley and Kagawa were excellent. Or do you now need ALL THREE midfielders to be excellent before you can say the midfield did its job?

What 'job' did the midfield fail to do? Did the terrible performances of Welbeck, Nani and Rooney occur in midfield?

A-40:

@Cristalz
Why can't Fergie just retire those old muchachos? Scholes and Giggs! Their mate Pippo Inzaghi is already coaching juniors at Milan

Cristalz: @Debo
Seems you followed the game via audio only.
The MF was as sluggish as the swamps of Mississippi, which was why Rooney became a midfielder/defender for all of first half and part of the second.

Still doesn't excuse his poor showing in 2nd half when he went up front, but the point is, the MF sucked and strikers depend on them.
It's not just about possession; creativity, flair, solid thinking (and whatever else you wanna add) also come into it.

coogar:

all the good work put in by cleverley and kagawa were frustrated by scholes, nani, welbeck and rooney! defensively, scholes did nothing....he was the anchor in that midfield and yet he offered nothing to protect the back four....his selection is a bit baffling considering his height! there's no way he's going to man-mark fellaini and little wonder the belgian murdered united aerially!

Mr_TA:

It's not shocking analysis. He just wants to troll and make fun which is a shame as I thought he was one of the more reasonable arsenal fans.

debosky:

What 'job' did the midfield fail to do? Did the terrible performances of Welbeck, Nani and Rooney occur in midfield?

debosky:
Surely even you can see the blatant incongruity in claiming two out of three midfielders putting in 'good work' and claiming the midfield didn't do its job?

Did Nani, Welbeck and Rooney play in midfield?

coogar:

before we talk about winning or not winning, it should be noted that 4 fit defenders were missing and had to be replaced by 2(midfielders) who we coulda used in the midfield to control the rampant everton players. we missed rio, fletcher, jones, smalling and evans - no club would survive at goodison with 4 of their centre backs missing!

when the wounded ones get back into the team, we can then analyse if we are good enough to win or not. doing that based on a difficult fixture is a bit harsh! fletcher and jones would have added some steel to the team last night....

coogar:
when the wounded ones get back into the team, we can then analyse if we are good enough to win or not. doing that based on a difficult fixture is a bit harsh! fletcher and jones would have added some steel to the team last night....
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coogar:
Cleverley was decent last night - one of our best players on the pitch. he rarely lost possession but scholes as a partner just slowed him down. anderson should have started and partnered cleverley! scholes was poor - the early yellow card didn't help matters and fellaini was allowed too much space to do as he pleases!

coogar:
we should start with our medical team - they have let me down this season. i used to think its coincidence but not anymore - the rate at which we cop injured players must have to do with their training schedules, diets and the quality of the pitch. what's the point in having players in the squad who would not play cos of injury? ferdinand was fit for preseason starting every game and when the real battle started, he did his groin? he's a traitor!!!

coogar:
like i said earlier, you never know what to expect from nani ----on his day, he can be a beast but when he shitstorms like he did last night, he deserves a slap. nani was horrible, his last 300 cornerkicks have failed to sail past the near post - his football intelligence needs help and how he keeps demanding the ball when we cop cornerkicks is a mystery - someone with an iota of intelligence should stand at the near post and flick it on but you get the same lazy attitude from the team!

****spurs sign adebayor!****

Cristalz: In other news. . .
Buttner completes his move, and United acquire 18-year old striker Angelo Henriquez of Chile.

StarBoard:
Well I wouldn't say the missing defenders were wholly responsible for the loss.Why? Because even when we had 4fit defenders last season they still scored 4times at Old Trafford.So I'm pretty sure it's something more fundamental than that.

Which brings me squarely back to the state of our midfield.Personally I think that if we had a decent midfield, last night we shouldn't and wouldn't have suffered the barrage we encountered.

Unfortunately we're already three points off the pace in the league and since we don't know when those injured fellas will return, I don't share your optimism.As difficult as that tie sounded, I thought we could leave Goodison with at least a draw.That side isn't have as decent as ours on paper.

The context within which I mentioned the players I did was not to single them out individually. Cleverley didn't grab the game by the collar like he did for England vs Italy.He looked like a headless rat.

My view on Andeson still stands.I feel he's not likely to contribute anymore than he has done before and expecting great things from him is stretching the imagination, to be sincere, given his inability to stay fit and deliver consistent performances.
As a sub who was supposed to make an impact upon entry, I found Ashley Young and Anderson laughable options.In that sense, I'm not excusing them either given that they were wastes when they got in.I really don't know what to make of expected contributions of those guys to the squad's fortunes this season.

I tend to agree.
I thought it was coincidental as well but I think it's more to the issue.
As per Ferdinand, the dude isn't reliable anymore.I thought we would try easing him out of the squad and get someone who has a fitter medical record.
On the whole I noticed our injuries have been up since Carlos Quieroz left.Dude was a specialist coach and had vast knowledge ranging from training regimens to dieting, not to talk of tactical awareness.Id like to see him back at OT.

And does it make sense to reward inconsistency with an improved contract?I say in my Whitney Houston(rest her soul in peace) voice: "hell to da no!".
Like I said before, Nani doesn't deserve the thought of any lind of raise,let alone getting it.Im yet to see the teams falling over themselves for his signature because he's a liability more Ike's than he's an asset.So I'm wondering why we think he's good for a raise of about £30k a week when he still refuses to live up to his obvious potential.
He is officially a Nani-goat.

Cristalz:
@Starboard

Young is no fraud, come on. He still makes solid contributions when his football head is screwed on right.

Cristalz:

We all know Nani cannot cross to save his mama's life...nothing new there.
But he scores, and that's a fact. Hez got pace and is still an asset on the wings. So he had a bad game last night; who didn't?
I don't think its fair to come down so hard on the dude for that.
I know I'm not ready to see Nani go anywhere just yet.

debosky:

Surely even you can see the blatant incongruity in claiming two out of three midfielders putting in 'good work' and claiming the midfield didn't do its job?

Did Nani, Welbeck and Rooney play in midfield?



If Trolling is pointing out flawed arguments then I am the biggest troll of all. Or do you also agree that 2/3rds of your midfield was good but they didn't do anything at the same time?

StarBoard: @debosky,
No matter the attacking talent on display, if the midfield doesn't do it's job, the team will most likely lose.

coogar is spot on as per how the game went.After Everton scored the game could still be on up till now and united would be looking for the equalizer.Before then Everton over-ran our midfield and pretty much bossed proceedings there.