rhymz:

what exactly is your point? It is sin if you feel bad after jerking off and not a sin if one is not remorseful. If that is the logic then be rest assured that a lot of people feel damn good about both before and after doing it, that is why they go back to do it.

niddamugu:

Why do we then condemn the Govt? Christianity is all about the Wisdom (Christ) of God. Read James 3v17: "But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy". Let us call a spade a spade, I watched the videos (2mins & 8mins), there were no scriptural references to his utterances. They were purely "head knowledge", mere talk, no power behind the words. This is purely HERESY - Chris Oyakhilome has erred and needs to ask God for forgiveness. He should remove the "African Leaders Mentality" (ego & pride) from his mind and ask God for help.

Couples? Where did they get that from? Is it not from watching (or past views of) pornographic materials? Wise up pal, God is not (and cannot be) mocked.

Natasha,,:

[b] In Ephesians 5:6, it says, "Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

self-service is a sin, our God is holy and His eyes cannot behold pour iniquities, a true Christians should not be ruled by the flesh, I loved the question someone asked, ''what does one think about when self-servicing?'' is it not enough to say its a sin, since all your focus is on sexually related things?

Galatians 5:19-21 , "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, adultery, fornication, UNCLEANESS, lasciviousness , of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

Joe was this part Omitted in your own Bible? ^^ you said self-service is unclean but its not a sin, can you now see that for something to be unclean then it doesn't go in line with God's word? now please defend your statement  

Matthew 15:19-20a reads, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications , these are the things which defile a man."
when masturb@ting you defile your mind and your thoughts

James 1:14-15 tells us, "Every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin; and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." This verse is telling us that all sin begins with a thought, and the thoughts which evolves in ones mind when masturb@ting are definitely not good thoughts

for those saying its not a sin
when you masturb@te does it lift you up spiritually or you rather feel a sense of guilt and shame?
[color=#770077]when you masturb@te do you think you are doing God proud?

2 Corinthians 10:3-5 , "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds, casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."

masturb@tion is a fleshy desire and as Christians we are to be ruled by the spirit, Our body is the temple of God it is not meant for us to do what we like. How can you be touching and rubbing your ** repeatedly . . , thinking of a Unclad girl or a Unclad guy and you're telling me its not a sin? really?  the act of sex is to be fully enjoyed by married peeps.
galatians 16 -17 ''But I say keep walking in the spirit and you will carry out no fleshy desire at all, for the flesh is against the spirit in its desires . . . ''

thought the bible did not  mention masturb@tion specifically , we can clearly see that its not an act that gives glory to God rather its an act of the flesh which defiles our body, mind and thoughts and therefore a sin.  

Please we should not defend wrong teachings or swallow anything we're told just because our pastors said so
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Natasha,,:


When you are intimate with your husband or wife, there is no shame. When you fornicate or self-service, there is shame, regret, and loss of self-respect.


rhymz show me in the Bible where it was written that if you suffocate someone with a pillow you have commited sin? the point is you've killed so its definitely a sin, this is exactly what I want you to understand, that the bible did not specifically mention the word mastub@tion doesn't remove it from sin list,

Please rhymz explain how an act which goes contrary to Gods word is not a sin? you can look at the bible scriptures I quoted, does self-service go in line with them? please answer me, then tell your self a lie that self-service is no sin ,
An act that defiles your mind and thoughts
an act that makes you feel guilt and shame
an act that makes you yield to your fleshy desires
An act that gives no glory to God
An act that seems like a substitute for sex
Please how on earth do you say such an act is no sin?

rhymz:

1.The ephesians 5:6 you have quotted has nothing to do with whether self-service is a sin or not. That is obvious.
2. Galatians 5:19-21 that you also quoted even buttressed my point;self-service is clearly and curiously missing in the list of intimate acts that is termed as sin. You are busy asking Joe if this part was not in his bible when obviously you are ranting about a claim that is not in your quote. Joe is absolutely correct, it is a bad habit but the bible neither supports it nor condemns it, that is the fact.
3.Again, Mathew 15:19-20 never said anything about ma$turbation both implicitly and explicitely. Anything about self-service in the bible are references to other pervasive intimate acts.
4. James 1:14-15 talks about lust of the heart. And that is where I said it is the thoughts behind the act that God explicitly condemned as a sin and not the act itself. Get that?
Finally, with regards to your questions about how one feels at the end of a jerk period, that line of argument is lame. How I feel about it later has no bearing whether the holyspirit to a flight from me or not, same argument can be applied to a man that feels bad after Being Intimate with his wife, does it carry a different penalty fron the after feelings of self-service? What a folly argument. People feel bad about it and yet they choose to get off every now and then, abeg come up with a better side note.

goshen360:

@ Natasha,

Leave these guys alone o. I have defined masturba.tion to them on this forum in page 7 and also showed them the  process it involves which makes it a sin. But because their pastor said it is not a sin against God but it unclean and you also show them that it is unclean from the word of God and they are still arguing because they rather choose to believe pastor, justifying their sins just because self-service is not specifically mentioned as a word in the bible. Then let them tell us what they think when they masturba.te or let them tell us why it is not a sin giving us bible verses rather than just head knowledge full of mere words of man's wisdom.

[b]lol you're right I shouldn't waste my time to reply rhymz there heart is made up and thanks to pastor chris they have all the whole reason in the world to masturb@te. and you are right, they should give a reason why masturb@tion is not a sin

Rhymz you haven't answered me, does masturbation give glory to God?
what does one think about when one masurb@tes? a professor teaching?  
what triggers masturbation 99% of the time? angels singing?  
rhymz its not the same for a man that feels bad after sleeping with his wife, only God knows why he should feel bad anyways, he is married innit?
how many times have you seen men complaining they feel bad after sleeping with their wives? except of course she is not good in bed, but you see so many people having low self esteems feeling guilt and much more when they mastub@te and threads like ''how do i stop mastuirbatiing'' floods nairaland, if it was a nice thing why should more than half of the people who engage in it want to stop? how many times have you seen, or heard people say ''i want to stop sleeping with my wife, i feel bad after sleeping with her'' really oh please [/b]

rhymz:

there is no ambiguity in your example dear, any man that takes another man's life has commited murder, same can be applied for any act that that is driven by lust in the mind, yes!! But what if ma$turbation was not a result of lustful desires or thoughts. What if the ma$turbation was as a result of some mechanical stimulation, or are you going to argue that is not possible too. Or you think every ma$turbation is a result of lustful thoughts? Answer me na?
Hormonal imbalance can can cause you to ma$turbate faster than any Intimate thoughts if you don't know, even the way you lie on the bed or floor can trigger self-service and intimate tension and release. What about clothes? Do you categorize all those too as Intimate stimulants? Have you ever been in a situation where you feel so much $exual tension that you dont even need to have any thoughts to expel?
For reasons only God knows he chose not to list it in any form along other intimate acts -which are not even as rampant as ma$turbation- as sin is a strong indication that there is a purpose for it. Argue with biblical perspective biko and not your moral idiosyncrasies.

Natasha,,:

[b]lol you're right I shouldn't waste my time to reply rhymz there heart is made up and thanks to pastor chris they have all the whole reason in the world to masturb@te. and you are right, they should give a reason why masturb@tion is not a sin

Rhymz you haven't answered me, does self-service give glory to God?
what does one think about when one masurb@tes? a professor teaching?  
what triggers self-service 99% of the time? angels singing?  
rhymz its not the same for a man that feels bad after sleeping with his wife, only God knows why he should feel bad anyways, he is married innit?
how many times have you seen men complaining they feel bad after sleeping with their wives? except of course she is not good in bed, but you see so many people having low self esteems feeling guilt and much more when they mastub@te and threads like ''how do i stop mastuirbatiing'' floods nairaland, if it was a nice thing why should more than half of the people who engage in it want to stop? how many times have you seen, or heard people say ''i want to stop sleeping with my wife, i feel bad after sleeping with her'' really oh please [/b]

diluminati:

Please forget about that fake pastor joe agbaje. he's busy with beaf in the politics section under his clone and clown werepeleri the resident ediot!

coogar:

stop misinforming the public.
joagbaje is a good pastor who matches his words of mouth with his actions.
you should emulate him instead of ptyalizing heresies.

coogar:

natasha, you are my bestest friend on the planet but stop this line of debate?

you ask if w@nking glorifies God. . . .does d[i]o[/i]ggystyle glorify God too?
i mean do you not think if masturbati[i]o[/i]n was a sin, the bible would have mentioned it as a sin? if the bible could prohibit Inbreeding, bestiality, homoerotica and all other forms of intimate deviance, why did it not mention masturbati[i]o[/i]n as a wrong doing?

so a christian whose wife is away on a travel and then imagines poking his wife while pleasuring himself has sinned? what is the sin?
it's his wife. if the wife was around, he wouldn't need to pleasure himself - he would have carried out the act 100%. so what makes sex legal with his wife and pleasuring his own body illegal? those are the core questions you should ask yourself.

masturbati[i]o[/i]n is not a sin. if it is, it would have been mentioned cos i am sure people would be doing it way back.
the same bible reminds us there's nothing new under the sun. self-service as a practise didn't just spring up in the 21st century.
adam and eve must have done it before knowing where and how to carry out the sex act. if it was lawful then, it is lawful even now.

LOL Coogar abeg leave me oh, LOL @ DOGGY STYLE,   like I said before sex and everything pataining to it should be left for married peeps if they choose to explore doggy style in other to make the game of sex more interesting its their own toro, bottom line is they are married.

please Coogar why do people masturbate? can you tell me the reason behind it? what triggers masturbation ? and while masturb@ting what do they want to achieve at the end of it? a bowl of rice? two cubes of sugar? please tell me    

diluminati:

@Natasha
Lets forget the arguments. do you ma-stur-bate? Tell me the truth
If you havent, please try it.i get my o r g a s m s this way hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. so sweet. just stroke the cl.i.t back and forth, gently hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what a feeling! hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

yeah what a feeling of fraustration that you can't get the real thing   , I wanna cook  

brainpulse:

@Natasha

Spot on

fanks  

Natasha,,:

[size=20pt]lastly you said joe was right really? hahahahaha JOE SAID self-service IS UNCLEAN please READ THIS PORTION OF THE BIBLE
Galatians 5:19-21 , "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, adultery, fornication, UNCLEANESS, lasciviousness ,  of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
 IF MASTURB@TION IS UNCLEAN AND THE BIBLE SAYS THEY WHO DO SUCH THINGS WHICH ''UNCLEANESS'' IS A PART WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.  PLEASE KINDLY EXPLAIN TO ME HOW MASTURB@ION IS NOT A SIN SINCE IT IS UNCLEAN  if you can't then ask Joe to please explain to me, he said it with his mouth you can go back to the other pages for clearance     [/size]

Natasha,,:

lol you're right I shouldn't waste my time to reply rhymz there heart is made up and thanks to pastor chris they have all the whole reason in the world to masturb@te.  

Joagbaje:

Don't misquote me pls. When I say unclean. I'm talking about ethics not spiritually. So don't link the uncleaness I'm talking about to spiritual uncleaness of galatians  . There are several dirty habits . Or indecent behaviors. But they are not necessarily sins against God.  Ddrinking,gambling,over eating,lack of body hygiene , dirty mouth etc are all dirty or unclean habit. They have nothing to do with God.

Pastor chris had preached against bad habits on several occasion. He never encouraged them. He imply told the guy how to stop it.  He said if you want to stop a habit ,JUST STOP .

He only made it clear to the guy it's a habit but not a din against God because the person was having such problems of feeling God is agsinst him.

I had said earlier, I have helped many people out of such habit. Nobody encourage any bad habit . But we should not label something a sin which ahold has not label as a sin. In the old testament God labelled maturbation as unclean alongside with mensturation of women and other fluid discharge from the body.

diluminati:

Joeagbaje is fake as they come. I caught him using the werepeleri handle and he knows though, so i know what i am saying. The man is a fake prophet (according to your bible though)

diluminati:

hey what do you know.
Abeg leave Matter for Matthias.

Joeagbaje is fake as they come. I caught him using the werepeleri handle and he knows though, so i know what i am saying. The man is a fake prophet (according to your bible though)

diluminati:

hey what do you know.
Abeg leave Matter for Matthias.

Joeagbaje is fake as they come. I caught him using the werepeleri handle and he knows though, so i know what i am saying. The man is a fake prophet (according to your bible though)

Natasha,,:

LOL Coogar abeg leave me oh, LOL @ canine STYLE,   like I said before sex and everything pataining to it should be left for married peeps if they choose to explore canine style in other to make the game of sex more interesting its their own toro, bottom line is they are married.

please Coogar why do people self-service? can you tell me the reason behind it? what triggers self-service ? and while masturb@ting what do they want to achieve at the end of it? a bowl of rice? two cubes of sugar? please tell me    

yeah what a feeling of fraustration that you can't get the real thing   , I wanna cook  

Joagbaje:

Exodus 20:16
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

All these Just because I said the gadget you use to be DOING  IT YOURSELF is a Bad habit.     . Sorry Oo. Continue doing it o.

Joagbaje:

Don't misquote me pls. When I say unclean. I'm talking about ethics not spiritually. So don't link the uncleaness I'm talking about to spiritual uncleaness of galatians  . There are several dirty habits . Or indecent behaviors. But they are not necessarily sins against God.  Ddrinking,gambling,over eating,lack of body hygiene , dirty mouth etc are all dirty or unclean habit. They have nothing to do with God

 Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, idolatry . . . drunken bouts, revelries AND THINGS LIKE THESE As to these things I'm forewarning you, . . .'' so if drinking doesn't concern God why should He talk about it, why does he want us to keep it on check not to get drunk?