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Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by dare2think: 1:43pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
^^^^^ How about the thoughts that precedes the self-service And yes, it can be harmful. http://side-effects.owndoc.com/masturbation-side-effects.html |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by chiteny(m): 1:45pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
Only what you do and has a bad effect or is harmful to your body is bad. Is self-service harmful to the body? NO! So how can it be a sin? Lying, cheating, fornication and adultery do not have bad effects and are not harmful to the body so i guess they fall into your class of no sin abi? To a good extent they make one feel good you know, ? |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by FXKing2012(m): 2:01pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
chiteny: I must say I find your comment a little bizzare. How cld u suggest lying, cheating, fornication and adultery are not harmful to you or others? 1) Lying: It is harmful to the person being lied to cos he/she is being led to alter his/her decision which may have a profound impact on the person's life; 2)Cheating: Again this is another form of lie which leads to deception. This may also cause u to bring home diseases to your partner, so it is very harmful both to u and ur partner. 3) Fornication is harmful cos it aids the spread of diseases. It also exposes the little ones to immoral acts. 4) Adultery again falls under cheating and lying. You could bring home diseases and your partner is being made to believe a lie which is very harmful to ur partner. So these are sins, unlike the case with mastur.bation. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 2:11pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
debrief08:This is more serious than eternity. Don't let any man, pastor or otherwise, determine how you interprete bible verses. this is madness, for christ sake, p. jo is a pastor, FXKing2012:Is consensual sex harmful to the body or others? How can it be sin? Homosexualism? HOw can it be sin? |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 3:02pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
musKeeto: |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 3:36pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
Who knows maybe jesus mastur-bate during his time or where did chris get this one from ? From the bible I guess. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 3:53pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
FXKing2012: I can't believe you said the highlighted. I think we should begin to watch out for our next Christian brothers and sisters. As in seriously you can say this? I always thought differently (on the positive anyway) about you on this forum. So the thought that Jesus said that precedes forni.cation or adul.try without the person being lu.st after knowing about it is NOT sin because it doesn't harm the other party? Is this what you are saying? Anyway, let me leave you to straighten that statement of yours. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by buzugee(m): 4:25pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
WHAT IS SIN ? sin is transgression of the lords laws 1 john 3 vs 4, romans 4 vs 15, romans 2 vs 23, galatians 3 vs 19. NOW THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED WHAT SIN IS, WHERE ARE THE LAWS LOCATED ? THE TORAH. THE FIRST FIVE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE. LETS GO TO THE S-E-X-U-A-L LAWS IN LEVITICUS 18. it gives all the specific S-E-X-U-A-L laws that you should not transgress. there is no mention of self-service. however lets proceed to LEVITICUS 15, the laws that deal with bodily discharges from men (meaning it is assumed that you will have bodily discharges and hence this is how you should deal with it). if you discharge Fluid and you dont take a bath, then you are trangressing the law. if you discharge Fluid, you must not go into any holy place until you have had a bath (like the temple). if you do ? you are trangressing the law. CONCLUSION-Pastor chris and Joagbaje are correct. self-service is a sin against yourself and not a trangression of the lords laws. However you will be trangressing the lords laws if you dont have a bath afterwards or if you dont have a bath and then step into the temple afterwards. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by AntiPastChris(m): 4:35pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
this was me that post this masterbation is not a sin |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by AntiPastChris(m): 4:35pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
Warnings and Encouragements These are the words of them talking and they were painstakingly typed out for all the defenders of evil pastors and there false doctrines? I.e. Christ Embassy Members Who love there pastor more than the truth of the bible his word is God’s word to them This shows the complete conflict of lies from the truth form the bible which exposes them? Transcribe for the spiritual blind people in Christ embassy Rev. Ray Okocha (“Word Alive”. program) From Kwaku (Ghana) Question: from Ghana how does one overcome ma.st.ur.ba.tion? 1. Rev. Ray Okocha Ha-ma ha- firstly it’s a thing of the mind, you’ve allowed the chance that you have to become a habit to you I am sure and a problem to you; am its first stop It! and you have the power to do that as a child of God, if you don’t want something you can stop it! So don’t think about it! Don’t go in that direction and stop it! And you obviously have a problem with it? That’s why you are in need of distribution a and the bibles says: (KJV) Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure ____and the ability of Christ in is you can if you don’t want it you can stop it. 2. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: it’s really that simple, the question is how does someone overcome ma.st.ur.ba.tion? 3. The reason your thinking about it the reason is it’s become a habit for you, 4. it’s the way you stop any habit, 5. see ma.st.ur.ba.tion it not em more of habit than any other habit ok SO 6. Once you make up your mind you “don’t”!! You want to break a particular habit, you do it, you stop you just it-stop it!!! 7. By getting em your mind to think of something else in fact the way the way destroy a habit is replace that habit with another habit, 8. That is the habit of not doing it see!! 9. But there is something I would like to- I would like to- bring to your mind that may be of help to you because the reason, 10. em you want to stop this is!!! 11. Is because of what you think it is!! 12. If you were in the habit of em playing football you probably would not ask us!! 13. How can I stop playing football? 14. Because you think there is something wrong with this!!! 15. Alright so that is where your problem is coming from. 16. But no matter how wrong it is!!! in your mind!!! 17. Get this straight in its self! 18. It is not a sin against God. 19. Now I say that for a reason! 20. There is many Christians think that is a sin against God em? 21. and Satan use it in oppressing them 22. oppressing their minds and making them feel ineffective 23. and inefficient in the things of God 24. But once you get to understand!! 25. It’s got nothing to do with God 26. It all about you and your own body 27. Then Satan loses his power to use it!! 28. To accuse you!!! 29. Alright!! 30. So if you don’t like it stop!!! 31. But Gods got nothing to do with it!!! 32. Its your own body 33. ma.st.ur.ba.tion is about you and your body 34. and Em and 35. God is not offended by it. 36. He is only offended by any habit that takes hold of your mind? 37. And if this takes a hold of your mind and dominates you? 38. God is offended by the fact that you let yourself become enslaved by any habit by what so every? 39. So let’s first of all take the power away from Satan to accuse you? 40. When it’s got nothing to do with God 41. in the whole bible 42. It doesn’t say anything about ma.st.ur.ba.tion? 43. Well Now somebody may say – 44. What about Lasciviousness 45. What about Uncleanness 46. That’s not the meaning of ma.st.ur.ba.tion 47. But you can have Lasciviousness and Uncleanness in ma.st.ur.ba.tion and as well in many other things that people do? 48. You see 49. So there not isolated to ma.st.ur.ba.tion its self 50. Uncleanness can be something about your mind ok 51. Thoughts that you bring in your mind 52. Uncleanness can be having ah, ah this kind of s,e,x,u,a,l relations with an animal? 53. That is Uncleanness 54. In fact that is more of what the bible calls Uncleanness than anything else!! 55. And then am ah en ah!! 56. Homosexuality is Uncleanness that’s what God means by Uncleanness 57. These are all the things it talks about? 58. So just be clear that Satan should have no power of dominion over you as far as this is concerned! 59. It can be a dirty habit 60. It can be a habit you don’t like? 61. Or its got nothing to do with God 62. God is not thinking about it! 63. So you want to stop it 64. Stop it like any other thing 65. And it’s always easier to be able to stop things like this when you know!!!!! 66. God will have no problem with it!! 67. As long as you are!!! 68. Oppressed by Satan the same devil will push you to do something 69. And make you believe God is against it, so he can you use it to condemn you 70. But once you know!! 71. Gods got nothing to do with it 72. And Satan does not have the power to accuse you with it 73. You will find you will not even do it anymore? 74. See you, you, you just you just don’t just don’t do it 75. If you don’t like it 76. It’s,- it’s just over 77. And you win? Alright there is another one here Siphilisiwe (Croydon United kingdom) question can apostles and prophets be ordained just as pastors are ordained by senior ministers
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Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by buzugee(m): 4:37pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
Anti-PastChris:sup crossman. you still aint told me if you are a white man |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by AntiPastChris(m): 4:43pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
i am whiter than snow which is ? cleansed in christ Isaiah 1:18 NIV New International Version "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by werepeLeri: 4:48pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
LOL - and these are people who do it daily. Men and women. Come on. Swear on your mother;s grave if you have not done it before - men and women. NairaLand is full of hypocrites. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by UyiIredia(m): 4:48pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
~Bluetooth: It doesn't really matter. Jesus will not stop being God simply because He masturbated. I don't think Jesus masturbated though. Not everyone lives on masturbation. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by buzugee(m): 4:49pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
Anti-PastChris:good verse, now back to my question. what race are you ? are you nigerian ? |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by FXKing2012(m): 4:58pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
musKeeto: Consensual sex is a big sin cos u are cheating on your spouse and if u are still single it's a sin cos you lose your dignity to the other person (your sex partner) and also it is immoral to do so cos u are not legally bound together. Homosexuality is a major sin and it was the reason God destroyed Sodom (Gen 19: 4-11) |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by AntiPastChris(m): 4:59pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
i am a new creation in christ does it matter i have great understanding come on skype like i asked you will learn all you need |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 5:02pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
I don't know why some of you are just too quick to pass judgement. Have you sat down to give what he said a second thought? you all are disgusting!! |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 5:03pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
FXKing2012: please shut the 4ck up. you sound so so silly as a professing christian. if you were in my league i'll be ok with you. dare2think: You hypocrites are so so stvpid. why did you jump this now? you dey fear? You are just on this topic because you perceive that it is an attack against pastor crisis, not that you understand what the topic is all about. you ediot! |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by lonamy: 5:05pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
The message is not new, I got to hear it the first time in 2010 when Pastor Chris was entertaining questions and aswering them on weekly basis on "This week on Pastor Chris online". Before then, I have been receiving revelation that it is time for me to leave the church, I mean Christ Embassy Church, but I still remained there not wanted to change church, but the message keep on coming to me each time I am in the church that I am not in the right place I am just wasting my tine sitting there. But the day I heard him said it, that Mas.tur.ba.tion is not a SIN, I felt so bad. Even Bill Clinton sacked one of the Medical top figure in his government "U.S. Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders was fired in 1994 after suggesting that masturbation be taught to school-age children" So can the Politicians be morally better than Spiritual leaders. Since that time I left Christ Embassy for good. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by tkb417(m): 5:05pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
before u can mas.sturbate, u must think of a woman or be lusting after something and im sure its written in the bible somewhere that lusting after women is a sin so how do you separate lust from mas.sturbation? |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by buzugee(m): 5:06pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
Anti-PastChris:if i come on skype then you can trace my number and then home address and then send assasins to my crib for teaching about edomites i know ya trick white man |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 5:06pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
Uyi Iredia: I'm just wondering where chris got the idea from.Now members of his church can go to church with soap and olive oil so they can mastur-bate after sunday service.doesnt that sound nasty ? |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 5:07pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
Read this maybe it will help www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=252 |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by FXKing2012(m): 5:09pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
goshen360: Pls tell me how mastur.bation is harming your body or anybody else for that matter. It is not a sin cos when u do it u harm no one and u dont harm your body. Lusting after a woman in your heart is a sin cos u defile your mind when u do so. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 5:10pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
FXKing2012: So you can call homosexuality a sin now. But it wasn't specifically mentioned as a kind of sin name in the bible(as the bible mentioned fornication and adultery) and you don't see masturbat.ion as sin? Because masturbat.ion is not specifically mentioned doesn't mean it is not a sin and i will show you from the bible very soon. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by kay1one(m): 5:11pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
Oh! GOD! |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 5:11pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
FXKing2012: VS FXKing2012:So there are actions that aren't harmful to the body, yet are sins? Come on man. @JoAgbaje: You have proven over time to be a coward. You've mastered the art of evading point blank questions by either ignoring them or replying with sarcastic, witty or blanket statements. May your God help you. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by buzugee(m): 5:13pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
goshen360:homosexuality is mentioned in leviticus 18 vs 22 |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 5:13pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
FXKing2012:So that's what makes a sin a sin according to you? It harms no one and doesn't harm the body? Shouldn't smoking be classified as a sin then under this definition? Drinking? Overeating? |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 5:15pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
FXKing2012: So how do you masturb.ate without lustful thoughts? I have done it in the past and am not ashamed to say it. So i know what it means to masturb.ate. Can you tell us how one masturb.ates without illicit or lustful thoughts? Am going to show it to you in few minutes how the process is a sin to masturb.ate. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU OF ALL PEOPLE CAN COME OUT OPEN TO SAY THIS. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Gideonyte(m): 5:17pm On Feb 20, 2012 |
Why are most people surprised What Pastor Chris said has a root in one of Christ Embassy's pillar doctrine that says "ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED". For those who have read the bible will know that this is not true!!! From this doctrine, Christ Embassy says a Christian cannot sin, therefore if a christian masturbates, then its no sin its just an "unclean" habit. Remember that NOTHING unclean can enter heaven because God is too holy to even look at it. It's time for us to go back to the basics of the bible!!! 1 Like |
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