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Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 11:47am On May 09, 2013 |
all4naija: Huh, huh! What a digressed piece of writing. This your comment never answered question that remains unanswered. I doubt you even open your mind to read what I wrote. If you do and ignore what my comment is all about then you must be one tricky fellow who support some ideology of Afrocentrism as to skin color. That by itself is a crime against humanity. I reasoned you to be among those who don't see beyond their nose and harbor hate of the past deeds with an unforgiving spirit. That I will not agree with in any way to move Africa forward nor stating things they way the are than the way they were in this forum - as I have repeatedly mentioned in this particular thread. Now who the hell do u think u are talking all this nonsense on a daily basis about a country you've never even sat foot on, claiming all this nonsense. Can you all4naija not focus on Nigeria's 18,800 murders annually which is higher then SA according to UNOCD. Go and focus on that over crowded hell hole called Nigeria that murder, torture and jail journalist on a daily basis. Can you all4naija not focus on the foreigners who gets kidnapped and beheaded for ransom money. Your beloved hell hole is in a sh**tty mess as we speak. A man coming from a country where its Leaders are by far worse then SA black goverment leaders wanna continuesly spew ish without tackling its own sh**t. I will from now point out ur failed state called Naija aslong as you talk all these nonsense |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 12:40pm On May 09, 2013 |
all4naija: South Africa will be in deep sh*t without the white people, that is very obvious. It will be far worst than any nation within the Southern African enclave or region. That is a complete fact! Its obvious you are a foolish boy. What is the Southern African enclave we in Southern Africa has never seen a single war/rebbelion in a decade. We in Southern Africa has a by far better living standards compared to west/central african states. West africa is a overcrowded sh**thole with scattered infrastructure even in Nigeria you can't even drink water from a simple tap you need to fetch it from a bore hole, now if all this isn't a typical enclave The Black middle class in South Africa is larger then its white counterpart today with more buying power and its increasing while the whites are on decline. http://m.mg.co.za/index.php?view=article&urlid=2013-05-03-00-the-black-belt-economy-kicks-in There are 80m Nigerians on the brink of starvation daily. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17015873 Go and solve your country's own nonsense and stop focusing on SA and Southern Africa which is has less poverty then the hole of Nigeria combined including west african states. By the way for interest sake I can fit Nigeria into Botswana that's how small that overcrowded hell hole is. I will go this route from now on, so focus on your country before you talk nonsense. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 12:59pm On May 09, 2013 |
all4naija: That is not what I am alluding to here. I am alluding to the fact and the reality on ground in your country that the white is responsible for the development of the country in all ramifications. Nigerians who sell fake goods on the streets and who are 90% hawkers 3% professionals 7% criminals in SA how the hell can 300 000 people who the majority don't even pay tax contribute to SA. Nigerians wherever I see those IGBO clowns are poorly educated wanna be big boys who can't even afford decent housing, majority hire homes/flats/apartments from the same Xhosa/Zulus in Hillbrow/Pretoria. Get of that nonsense you smoking MTN a company which was started by Black South Africans are now dominating the hole continent in Mobile Networks in Sub Sahara including the Middle East and Nigeria with over 210m subscribers. No Nigerian company including that Dangote can trully say its a Global Brand. South african companies milk you Aso Rock feather less Eagles dry and repatriate those profits straight to SA. This is the changing face in SA's economy http://m.mg.co.za/indecx.php?view=article&urlid=2013-05-03-00-the-black-belt-kicks-in |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 2:53pm On May 09, 2013 |
snydergp:Hehehe.. It is funny though how you fail to comprehend what I have addressed in my comments. I can only agree with you on Nigerians hawkers to disagree. The fact is that you have labelled them before to be criminals and drug peddlers yet it is clear in this your comment they are doing genuine businesses to survive than resorting to crimes, which the South African blacks themselves are infamous for and unwilly to take up something doing. Poorly educated and they are not bordering you of yours. They are just good on daily routine hawking of their goods thereby sustaining that country informal economy sector which you are shortsighted to see in this regard. This revelation is an evidence Nigerians are contributing to your economy than the South African blacks. That hawking of CDs, DVDs, and other goods help to reach the poor people in the Townships, Hillbrow, etc. I saw on CNN some weeks ago Robin Corno on Business Africa with two white South Africans doing the same thing by engaging the blacks in the form of hawking(a black South African lady on UNILEVER uniform selling sachet products) to the poor in the Soweto,other slums in the country, etc. Now that Nigerians are doing it to survive(as the originator) it has become a crime committed by them in your society. Indeed, this your comment support the fact Nigerians are contributing to your economy more that large portion of your blacks. It is palpable the reason blacks of that society resort to crimes due to their laziness and prideful lives. MTN is just a tiny company and unrecognized in the world. It is not even close to low side of Fortune 500 yet you come here to make it looks as if it is doing better than others. That company started to gain ground the first time it entered the Nigerian soil. Thanks to Nigerians that South African blacks are now having something to flaunt about with a good proof. The proof that cannot be complete without Nigeria being mentioned. Truly, Nigeria is your big brother. . International company you called MTN yet forget that Nigerians have a lot of business as well going places like MTN. The Nigerian businesses and other doing well internationally are many, like the First Bank Of Nigerian is in London, New York, Beijing(China),etc. The same can be said of Union bank, UBA, and others. These are Nigerian own not white people's nor like black government sponsored MTN to survive or empower the lazy blacks in that society. The day that company is questioned in SA that day it will seem to cease existing. Keep bragging about your EMPTY HEN that doesn't lay good eggs(according to most Nigerian posters in this forum to the poor service provided by MTN in Nigeria) . What is the meaning of the acronym MTN? if I may asked. SA is only investing for Nigerians, not what you think it is milking ASo Rock. You would be surprised to know Nigerians are into your companies buying shares why you think they are fully South Africans. Keep fooling yourself and brag in the public while Nigerians are at the background running things. Thanks to Nigerians for their shrewdness in business. What an insignificant link. That link is of no use to what the condition of Townships is. A poor lives living on the edge in their own papa's land with a notable development and resources going around. It speaks of your inability to see the problems face by those people living in the comfort of squalor of your country's Townships. That is very bad of you to do. Fix the situation of crimes and xenophobia in your society first before coming here to beat your chest about blacks development in SA. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 3:20pm On May 09, 2013 |
snydergp:Okay. Keep thinking as junior. It pays to be acknowledging facts with reality on ground. You argue the Southern Africa is not an enclave yet it is clear it has been isolated for years due to Apartheid, Zimbabwean political troubles, the HIV/AIDS situation and just to mention but a few. Those are among the elements which make that region to be isolated for years even till today. When that enclave is thought about it is about deadly conditions which have now gradually spread to other parts of Africa. So, I don't need your puffy nature to explain enclave to me because I know what it stands for. The black middle class of SA is over-exaggerated. It is still the middle class we have been hearing about for years that refuses to make any impact in the life of the blacks. Please, stop speculating when we know that the few whites of that society control 90% of the wealth of the economy. You think that you are speaking to uninformed individual who would quickly be manipulated by your prestidigitation. Another thing, that is a link from SA. I would be interested of you posting links which are coming from other countries observation of the SA economy. Usually, we all know your country to be biased when churning out data about the conditions of blacks. The BBC link you provided about Nigeria said, 61% and it is of 2004 yet you stated 80% here to make the condition worse. That is laughable and it only soils the credibility of your comment. People are going to see that and starting to take your comments on a doubtful ground. That is poor knowledge coming from you though. You are not well thought in school on how to state facts and provide evidences. Hehehe... Nigeria situation of things are solvable as we don't have whites to be viewed with animosity as in your society. We don't blame people for our misfortunes as you do in your country. We are not xenophobic when you are lazy to work and quickly take the blame on other innocent African immigrants who are working hard to make ends meet. We are not grappling with claims of being rich yet is in the hands of non-indigenous few. Please, spare me this your usual tirade, it is not longer making any sense. That will not deter me from stating things the way they are about Africa and including your one-eye-nation-of-Africa and the fool's paradise for the black South Africans. . |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ProudSAfrican(m): 7:28am On May 10, 2013 |
Hello good people I've been following this thread for a while now. I've read most of the comments and all I can gather is all4naija is a complete tool. To him its like white people are the best thing that happened to Africans. "A time came for the advent of fair skin people, who were more organised and civilised into the land." did anyone else find this as clear evidence of his suffering from inferiority complex. Talk about tossing salad. Say what you will abt my country but nothing you say can take away the achievements we made as a country. 2 Likes |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by AjanleKoko: 10:48am On May 10, 2013 |
I'm not sure South African would be a single nation if there had been no white settlers. But then, a lot of African nations (Nigeria included) wouldn't have been nations without European colonialism. So it's kind of irrelevant to ponder over what might have been, if you ask me. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 4:44pm On May 10, 2013 |
Proud.SAfrican:Lol... at your argument. You point to what incites you the most about my comment without reading about how it came to be. If you are carrying inferiority complex in your country what else do you expect of me to say about it than let you see where your error is? It is a rhetorical question though. Whatever term you use to refer to me as a 'complete tool' without proofs only supports my argument further on the ground of reality. I cannot in my entire life agree with a lying individual or a situation as most of black South Africans are trying to paint here and humor me with in this very thread. When we all know the basic fact about the history behind that nation and how few whites control and develop that nation into the envy of the smaller African nations. If you disagree with my points it is right for you to state yours with facts not by condemning me so soon without any evidence or whatsoever to support them. I beg to differ from this your very idea of leaving out the people who built that nation infrastructure and economic wealth out of the picture, to what the blacks can unequivocally point to sometimes(when speaking for the truth) and flaunt as though it is by their own sweat. If you think that is not a fact, pleas, state yours to counter mine in this thread with maturity. It beats my imagination when many of you come to say Nigerians are tossing salads in foreign country. What is wrong in tossing salads? Is MacDonald not one of the multi-billion companies that is good at that today? It is the reason you seat on your poor a$$ doing nothing nor being innovative in that nation than attacking people on your streets who have something doing. Your lackadaisical approach to life only speaks of a criminal who likes to remain idle until he's able to steal another man's money or goods. Look dude, I don't have to keep reminding South Africans here that I have a life not only do I have a life but very happy one indeed. When are we going to let truth be told the way it is about South Africa? That is my question for you to answer. Thank you. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 4:49pm On May 10, 2013 |
AjanleKoko: I'm not sure South African would be a single nation if there had been no white settlers.That is reticent intention. The topic question says, WHERE Would South Africa Be Without White People? It is all about SA in this particular thread and bring in other country to justify this argument is unacceptable and very absurd to say the least. It is clear SA would be a nation of the xenophobic, lazy blacks, people who dress on Leopard skin, those who molest innocent children and just to mention but a few. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 6:29pm On May 10, 2013 |
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Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 6:32pm On May 10, 2013 |
Proud.SAfrican:lovely username. Don't take much of what the guy says seriously, been following him for some, I thought he was some free thinker. The guy is just a troll, reminds me of one Somali supremacist i was having a discussion with, no matter what points i raised he just wanted to have the last word, even contradicting himself |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 7:12pm On May 10, 2013 |
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Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 7:31pm On May 10, 2013 |
zetdee:I only laugh at your excuses. After all you have said to make you people look as though are the ones responsible for the development of that society. So, that you can come around here as usual to act pompous and expect Nigerians to praise you. Please, I don't give a damn sh*t about South African development nor what you are trying to say about blacks of that society. It is true the blacks are doing nothing in impacting and the only input pronounced are coming from the whites. That is the backbone of that country. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 10:49pm On May 10, 2013 |
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Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 11:10pm On May 10, 2013 |
snydergp:oga you are talking jackshit. It is on the news today that desmond tut won't vote for ANC because of the corruption introduced. You are where you are today beacause thw whites ruled for a long time. I can bet my fucking arse that if your black pple rule for 10 more years. You will c where you will be. So my brother stop arguing and concede to the fqact that you are better because whites helped. Look at Zimbabwe. Whites ruled for some tym but when Mugabe entered. He has been there for years and we all know their story. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 12:35am On May 11, 2013 |
olire: oga you are talking jackshit. It is on the news today that desmond tut won't vote for ANC because of the corruption introduced. You are where you are today beacause thw whites ruled for a long time. I can bet my fucking arse that if your black pple rule for 10 more years. You will c where you will be. So my brother stop arguing and concede to the fqact that you are better because whites helped. Look at Zimbabwe. Whites ruled for some tym but when Mugabe entered. He has been there for years and we all know their story. My friend I agree South Africa is ahead because unlike other African countriey it had an educated population which was majority white, other African countries were colonies and the colonial governments didn't invest in any human resources like building schools and university in their colonies, that would have allowed the population to developed their countries very early after gaining independence. South Africa is ahead not simply because we have white people, but because we had a population that was highly educated therefore could industrialise and build a modern country, a country like ukraine has over 44million whites, but its backward compared to some african countries. Zimbabwe didn't fail because white people left, it failed because of Mygabe not wanting to step down and international sanctions that crippled the Zimbabwe economy. Zimbabwe has the highesy literacy rate in Africa and the agricultural sector is now back to the level it was before land grabs, Zimbabwe unfortunately didn't invest much in infrastructure but it did invest alot in aducation, there are many black Zimbabwean professionals working in south africa who will return as soon as the political situation gets resolved. The current ANC government is not perfect but it did not introduce corruption, there was massive corruption during the apartheid government, desmond tutu is just disappointed that the current government is not as perfect as he would like it to, it's his right to support another party. Though the country has problems, South Africa is investing alot in infrastructure and education, it's unlikely we'll end up in the situation that Zimbabwe finds itself because we have rule of law and the government cannot do anything that is unconstitutional, our media plus the international community keeping a very close eye on our government so it doesn't commit the same mistakes that Zimbabwe did. Botswana is another southern African country that is black run and doing very well. www.moesac.gov.zw/index.php/home/80-zimbabwe-tops-africas-literacy-rate www.whatishappeninginsouthafrica..com/2013/05/we-can-learn-from-zimbabwes-flourishing.html?m=1 |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 8:10am On May 11, 2013 |
zetdee:now that's a better way to talk: unlike the other guy that was just lashing out. You have given us the reason and your not arguing. Kudos |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 4:38pm On May 11, 2013 |
zetdee:I completely disagree with the highlighted part of your comment. It is hiding the fact of the matter to make South African blacks look as though more educated than other African nations. Zimbabwe, Tunisia, etc were once home to more educated people than your SA. Please, it is not because SA had large educated people that spun the development we see in SA today. when we are aware Apartheid regime never wanted to build schools for blacks. The whites intentionally developed that country for themselves because they wanted to stay and take over hem of affairs not knowing that nothing remains forever in a particular state. So, your argument is a bit shady about the fact of how the development of that society came about and who made it to be. Thank you. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 12:05am On May 12, 2013 |
olire: now that's a better way to talk: unlike the other guy that was just lashing out. You have given us the reason and your not arguing. Kudos So all that nonsense all4naija wrote isn't lashing out, so when people like you comment we in SA should sit aside and agree with all the ish you guys usually write. Read some of your countryman's posts then you'll see real backward arguing. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 12:18am On May 12, 2013 |
snydergp:When has stating facts become backward argument? Only in SA it is backward because they are used to being deceived of the reality of their society. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 9:39am On May 12, 2013 |
all4naija: When has stating facts become backward argument? Only in SA it is backward because they are used to being deceived of the reality of their society. Ye right the only backward thing I see is a country named Nigeria where corruption, jailing of innocent journalist, mass murders by soldiers, kidnappings and the distortion of hiv stats is the order of the day. Fix that shith*ole of country where 100m people have never even seen a light bulb |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 12:55pm On May 12, 2013 |
snydergp:Hehehe... Angry man! I can see you are hyperventilating over truth of the matter. You refused to get what I am talking about than going about attack in various forms. Let me clarify you again of what I just wrote about in my previous comment. What you mentioned in your comment prior to my reply that I made backward arguing rather argument that I responded to with a rhetorical question of how telling the truth was a backward argument. That only in SA such was seen as backward because they were deceived of reality on ground by their society. You just made yourself looks barbaric with this your statement though. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 12:58pm On May 12, 2013 |
@ snydergp Thank your fate for the whites of that society. They gave you the life you are living in that country today. Now, you have the right to flaunt about SA. Go, dude but don't forget to worship your lords who brought about the development you are showing off. . |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 6:28pm On May 14, 2013 |
I laud the kind of development the white people brought to SA. It has saved the blacks incompetence in that society that they can now beat their cheats to Nigerians. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ProudSAfrican(m): 6:54pm On May 16, 2013 |
All4naija you insult all black people and label it facts. By the way I never said nigerias toss salad that was just for you. I don't know why you seem to think that white people are some kind of blessing for black people their achievements count for nothing cause of all the suffering they have caused. I don't think my ancestors sitting around waiting for them. I'll say nothing about Nigerians my opinion will be biased cause all the ones I know are drug dealers and pimps they foul mouthed and unbearable. Yes I thank the white people for the South Africa they built on the backs of Black people and all other people that were oppressed in this land. May our suffering, bloodshed and torment fertilise the soil so it may bare fruits so that all those who lived through the suffering may have opportunities to better their lives. We will walk tall no matter what you say. With out white people where would we be? Well that's an question only God can give a definite answer. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 11:05pm On May 16, 2013 |
Proud.SAfrican:Leave God out of this matter. Without white people your country would be worse than Somalia. That is a fact. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by TerryCarr(m): 10:14am On May 17, 2013 |
all4naija: Leave God out of this matter. Without white people your country would be worse than Somalia. That is a fact.no Muslims so i doubt it |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ProudSAfrican(m): 11:34pm On May 19, 2013 |
all4naija: Leave God out of this matter. Without white people your country would be worse than Somalia. That is a fact.uhm genius its not a fact, it has not occurred nor can you prove that with out a doubt that South Africa without would be just like Somalia. If it indeed is a fact you wouldn't mind providing us evidence to support your fact. So all4naija please prove your statement to be fact. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 12:05am On May 20, 2013 |
Proud.SAfrican:Thank you for this your quiet approach and it makes things to be relaxed a bit. If you have been following my comments in this thread you would see where are stated them fairly in details. To point to some of them for you, xenophobia in a condition of poor development without the whites in SA would turn things back into the stone age making it worse than Somalia. Incessant attacks on innocent foreigners on the streets will make SA without the white man development looks like a nation in war all rather a failed state, and just to mentioned but a few. Thank you, once again. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ProudSAfrican(m): 12:44am On May 20, 2013 |
all4naija: Thank you for this your quiet approach and it makes things to be relaxed a bit. If you have been following my comments in this thread you would see where are stated them fairly in details. To point to some of them for you, xenophobia in a condition of poor development without the whites in SA would turn things back into the stone age making it worse than Somalia. Incessant attacks on innocent foreigners on the streets will make SA without the white man development looks like a nation in war all rather a failed state, and just to mentioned but a few. Well now lets look at removing the "white mans" development from South Africa, now to truely achieve that we would have to completely remove the white man from south Africa's history. Now once that is done things start to change there are no more Indians there are no coloured people there was never any apartheid no great trek no gold rush, anything that came to being as a direct or indirect result of white men arriving in south Africa. Now then please continue your attempts at proving your statement to be fact that South Africa would be like Somalia if it wasnt because of white people. Oh remember do not use any of points you raised in your previous post because they are now irrelevant. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by UyiIredia(m): 1:24am On May 20, 2013 |
Proud.SAfrican: Which only goes the point some people made that South Africa wouldn't have achieved their current level of development without the whites. Something I strongly believe. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ProudSAfrican(m): 10:33am On May 20, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: no one knows for sure where South Africa would be in terms of development if white people had never landed on her shores, |
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