Coma_Berenices:

My father's Nigerian. I know enough about that slum. And I've been there enough times to know what I'm talking about. And South Africa too. Yeah - been there long enough to know what I'm talking about. You know nothing about the world and are the exemplar of the cursed African everyone talks about. Hating on yourself. Hating on others. Hating on progress when you can't even build a house of cards. You've been civilised. Respect your civilizers and stop making a fuss over useless things.

What has that got to do with the white people of SA? For your own information, my father is also a Nigerian. I have been to that country to know what you are saying here to be lies.

You keep nosing around civilization you do not have any idea of. If SA is a civilized nation to you it means you are really in the darrrk, my friend.

SA brought civilization to Nigeria, according to Coma_Berenices. Hahaha...

Coma_Berenices:

Attention seeker. You deserve no explanation. Go read a book. Who cares if Nigeria saved the world, if it can't save itself today? Total decay in a tight overcrowded situation.

all4naija: What has that got to do with the white people of SA? For your own information, my father is also a Nigerian. I have been to that country to know what you are saying here to be lies.

You keep nosing around civilization you do not have any idea of. If SA is a civilized nation to you it means you are really in the darrrk, my friend.

SA brought civilization to Nigeria, according to Coma_Berenices. Hahaha...

all4naija: The argument is about SA. The whites are responsible for the development of that country,PERIOD!

You can cry baby!

all4naija: That is a point without explanations. I would like you explain it with evidences.

TerryCarr: you seriously believe with out America(the super power) and Europe the Africans could take down SA alone? and the fact that a lot of nations took aid from SA and most African nations were/are poor and useless

Coma_Berenices:

There's only one point here. You self-hatred because you come from a losing nation. That's all.

zetdee: MTN A BLACK RUN CAMPANY IS THE ONLY AFRICAN CAMPANY ON TOP 100 MOST VALUABLE BRANDS IN WORLD. its number 79.

WWW.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2013/05/22/mtn-cracks-top-100-in-most-valuable-brands-survey

On one of his mindless rants, all4naija said some really nasty things about MTN. DON'T HATE APPRECIATE. he he he

all4naija: I think that arguably refer to you,N...

If ya want me to disrespect ya, I'll kindly do that hun.

all4naija: Black owned from black empowerment process in SA by black government. MTN is known today due to the Nigerian market, you should get that right than trying to bite the hand that feeds your MTN, my friend !

Coma_Berenices:

Don't matter what I or anyone else believes. What matters is the money America pours on Nigeria. Still you can't get it right. Never been a nation. Never will be. Just a cluster of ghetto-minded people hatin on progress.

TerryCarr: you seriously believe with out America(the super power) and Europe the Africans could take down SA alone? and the fact that a lot of nations took aid from SA and most African nations were/are poor and useless

Coma_Berenices:

Who cares? It could be owned by Mr Jung in China. What matters is that Nigeria is a mess. That's what matters.

all4naija: Look at this braggart with little information at his disposal. Are you not talking about SA that lives on USA and UK aids? Please, your HIV/AIDS assisted project are in shamble since USA reduce such aid.

You aren't helping matter here. You are only making mockery of yourself.

all4naija: So, it is clear you are making a bogus claim. MTN is not even a company recognized world wide. Black government empowered business is more like what can be compared to Dangote's business. You aren't making any sense here.

Is that what civilization is all about to you? I am just curious to know though.

Coma_Berenices:

Nigeria talking about AIDS? What? The highest infection rate in the world from the second leading AIDS nation on the planet? What? You'll be the leading nation in a second cause your health care sucks. You think I see Africa on TV and I've never been? My work is Africa. You can't tell me ***. There's no light coming out Nigeria cause you spend your time in other people's business.

Coma_Berenices:

I didn't claim anything about the company. My claim is about the mess that's Nigeria. Nothin bogus about that. It's a filthy mess.

all4naija: Why do you think SA is also not a filthy mess?

all4naija: Look at this braggart with little information at his disposal. Are you not talking about SA that lives on USA and UK aids? Please, your HIV/AIDS assisted projects are in shamble since USA reduced such aid.

You aren't helping matter here. You are only making mockery of yourself.

all4naija: Yet, SA you are over-exaggerating its development and civilization has the worst case of HIV/AIDS rate with a small population. Do yourself some self-service hun.

all4naija: Why do you think SA is also not a filthy mess?

TerryCarr:
nigga under apartheid some African nation took aid from S.A.

TerryCarr:
T.I.A.

TerryCarr: you Africans worship white people a Little to much

all4naija: Ya deceived, dude! I can write a 100 pages why that country is filthy as hell. It starts with its crimes.

TerryCarr: you Africans worship white people a Little to much

all4naija: Okay rodeo! Ride on dude! Which are the African nations that took aid from Apartheid SA?

If South Africa did not wish to become completely cut off from the rest of the African continent, she had to sustain associations with it, starting, of course, with mutual economic support. Vorster persisted with this strategy and built good relationships with a number of independent African states.

In 1967, Vorster proffered technological and fiscal counsel gratis to any African state prepared to receive it, asserting that absolutely no political strings were attached. He gave great attention to financial facets, aware of the fact that many African states were very run-down and would require financial aid in spite of their rebuffing of South Africa's racial principles. Malawi and Lesotho were the first countries to enter discussions with the NP government. Angola and Mozambique soon followed.

One of the first steps to take in initiating dealings was to convene with the heads of these African countries. Here Vorster worked decidedly contrary to Verwoerd's policies. Where Verwoerd had declined to get together and engage in dialogue with such leaders as Abubakar Tafawa Balewa of Nigeria in 1962 and Kenneth Kaunda of Zambia in 1964, Vorster, in 1966, met with the heads of the states of Lesotho, Swaziland and Botswana. There was still mutual suspicion, however, particularly after Vorster's denunciation of the Lusaka Manifesto in 1969. Botswana, Lesotho and Swaziland stayed candid critics of apartheid, but they hinged on South Africa's economic aid. This was inclusive of pecuniary credit and the fact that many natives from these states worked the South African mines.

Malawi was the first country not on South African borders to accept South African aid. She identified the monetary benefits of such a deal, for there were also many Malawians working in South African mines. In 1967, the two states delineated their political and economic relations, and, in 1969, Malawi became the only country at the assembly which did not sign the Lusaka Manifesto. In 1970, Malawian President Hastings Banda made his first and most successful official stopover in South Africa.

Associations with Mozambique followed suit and were sustained after that country won its sovereignty in 1975. Angola was also granted South African loans. Other countries which formed relationships with South Africa were Liberia, Côte d'Ivoire, Madagascar, Mauritius, Gabon, Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo), Ghana and the Central African Republic. These African states criticised apartheid (more than ever after South Africa's denunciation of the Lusaka Manifesto), but fiscal reliance on South Africa, together with fear of her armed potency, resulted in their forming the aforementioned ties.

all4naija: Hahaha... I think you have a problem with my personality than what you think about me. I belong to both colors. It is clear I don't worship colors, I am just stating facts the way they are.

Proud.SAfrican:

no one knows for sure where South Africa would be in terms of development if white people had never landed on her shores,

Uyi Iredia:

Most likely they would not have the kind of First World facilities they can boast of. It shouldn't be hard for SA's to accept this. Note this doesn't mean the potential to develop without whites isn't there.