Coma_Berenices:

Yeah, but Nigeria's very existence is one big crime.

TerryCarr: If South Africa did not wish to become completely cut off from the rest of the African continent, she had to sustain associations with it, starting, of course, with mutual economic support. Vorster persisted with this strategy and built good relationships with a number of independent African states.

In 1967, Vorster proffered technological and fiscal counsel gratis to any African state prepared to receive it, asserting that absolutely no political strings were attached. He gave great attention to financial facets, aware of the fact that many African states were very run-down and would require financial aid in spite of their rebuffing of South Africa's racial principles. Malawi and Lesotho were the first countries to enter discussions with the NP government. Angola and Mozambique soon followed.

One of the first steps to take in initiating dealings was to convene with the heads of these African countries. Here Vorster worked decidedly contrary to Verwoerd's policies. Where Verwoerd had declined to get together and engage in dialogue with such leaders as Abubakar Tafawa Balewa of Nigeria in 1962 and Kenneth Kaunda of Zambia in 1964, Vorster, in 1966, met with the heads of the states of Lesotho, Swaziland and Botswana. There was still mutual suspicion, however, particularly after Vorster's denunciation of the Lusaka Manifesto in 1969. Botswana, Lesotho and Swaziland stayed candid critics of apartheid, but they hinged on South Africa's economic aid. This was inclusive of pecuniary credit and the fact that many natives from these states worked the South African mines.

Malawi was the first country not on South African borders to accept South African aid. She identified the monetary benefits of such a deal, for there were also many Malawians working in South African mines. In 1967, the two states delineated their political and economic relations, and, in 1969, Malawi became the only country at the assembly which did not sign the Lusaka Manifesto. In 1970, Malawian President Hastings Banda made his first and most successful official stopover in South Africa.

Associations with Mozambique followed suit and were sustained after that country won its sovereignty in 1975. Angola was also granted South African loans. Other countries which formed relationships with South Africa were Liberia, Côte d'Ivoire, Madagascar, Mauritius, Gabon, Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo), Ghana and the Central African Republic. These African states criticised apartheid (more than ever after South Africa's denunciation of the Lusaka Manifesto), but fiscal reliance on South Africa, together with fear of her armed potency, resulted in their forming the aforementioned ties.

Coma_Berenices:

He said "Africans". You're African. No problem here.

zetdee: I head a Nigerian man claim on the radio, that Nigerians who are drugs dealers in SA don't care about being caught, because a SA prison is still far better than living in Nigeria. Look at the story below.

www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2013/05/23/laptop-for-convicted-drug-dealer-nabolisa

Coma_Berenices:

Maybe, but who cares? Every country owes its development to history. What's Nigeria done with its blackness? Kill her own?

all4naija: Black owned from black empowerment process in SA by black government. MTN is known today due to the Nigerian market, you should get that right than trying to bite the hand that feeds your MTN, my friend !

all4naija: What part of Nigeria are you originally from?

Coma_Berenices:

I'm not from Nigeria.

zetdee:

Yes black empowerment is working, there'll be more MTNs riping Nigerians and making SA rich and growing our brands to a world market, SA will always be ahead of Nigeria.

all4naija: Like one of your business men claimed Nigerian is safer than SA to do business? Link HERE

all4naija: Lol... Now you are trying to understand what I am going on about here. If you have been following my comments from the onset you would see I state things the way they are. I only respond to the title of the thread that leads to many disagreement that ensues what we are now debating about with some discourses.

The truth of the matter is the development of that society is the handwork of the white people and that must be commended as fact before any thing else. As such, many South Africans tend to shy away from it and labeled anybody who agrees with such fact as inferior and worshiping white people. That is what I cannot relate with in most of the comments that want the white people removed out of the picture.

Yes, Nigeria has a huge problems and there is no doubt about that. But, it is not what the thread is all about. It is absolutely palpable how this thread come to be with the ornery and bragging nature of most black South Africans who post on this forum.

However, there is nothing wrong talking about such thing if not that black South Africans have some skeleton to hide in their closet.

all4naija: I mean to say what part of Nigeria is your father originally from?

all4naija: Yes, you are right! South Africa will always be ahead for the simple reason of the white people of that society, not because of blacks!

zetdee:

I've seen that, do you think someone making money of you wouldn't be say that, all south Africans in Nigeria have bodyguards with them.

Coma_Berenices:

And Nigeria will be behind because of its blacks. In the end, no one cares what the reason is for SA's success. It's a success story. No need to worry about it.

What matters is the reason for Nigeria's failure.

Coma_Berenices:

My father was born in Ibadan, but left as a young man, just before his 23rd birthday.

all4naija: What is the fuss all about when nobody care? It is very clear the inferiority among blacks as indigenous people is very high. I am beginning to understand the reason for the high animosity between one another in that society.

all4naija: You have origin linked to Nigeria. That you cannot deny here. My father is from Ibadan all rather Oyo as well.

Coma_Berenices:

The fuss is about your hate, when you are perched in a lake of *** that is Nigeria. That's the fuss. You devilish jealousy - of a sister nation that wiped your nose clean.

all4naija: What an excuse! This is what I cannot understand about South Africans comments here. When it is about Nigeria it instantly becomes brainwashing and when it is SA it is rightly said.

Please, get off from quoting my comments if you have nothing meaningful to say.

Thank you.

Coma_Berenices:

I never denied it.

all4naija: When did stating facts become jealousy? I can not understand your argument here. Please, clarify us all about what you are talking about.

all4naija: There is no nation without bad sides to it.

zetdee:

If it's so safe why do they have bodyguards, while in SA they go without them. Maybe it's because Nigerians treat a white men like God, while in SA all people are equal.

HOLY Moses, pleas, divide the red sea for us to get to Israel! It is like saying it is very safe in hell not to get burnt. Lol... With all the crimes and xenophobia in SA you said fatcats don't move with bodyguards. You must be in another SA, not the one we know of exist in Africa.

all4naija: HOLY Moses, pleas, divide the red sea for us to get to Israel! It is like saying it is very safe in hell not to get burnt. Lol... With all the crimes and xenophobia in SA you said fatcats don't move with bodyguards. You must be in another SA, not the one we know of exist in Africa.

Coma_Berenices:

If you know that, then clean up Nigeria's many bad sides and leave South Africa out if it. They didn't make Nigeria a ball of hateful tribalistic goo.

all4naija: You are still very un-American to me though. You don't really look like somebody with an open mind to address matter. It is obvious that you are very good in taking sides. It is Okay for you that South Africans can come around to make mockery of Nigerians in a Nigerian forum and not right the other way round.

Please, don't quote me again, if that is your stand on this matter!

Coma_Berenices:

But Nigeria itself is a crime. If Nigeria weren't a crime, there's be no war from the North and there's be no war from the Delta. Busy talking about social ills when your country is a continental ill.

Coma_Berenices:

Why should I care what you think about me? You need you hear the truth so you can unshackle yourself from your bondage of jealousy. I won't side with Nigerian rubbish just because my father was born there.

all4naija: You are not really getting the point here. I don't have to blame you for that. It is completely correct Nigeria is crimes ridden nation but not as SA.

This your particular comment only addresses the matter from a single aside while leaving the South African perspective on Nigerians and Nigeria in this forum. I think you don't really know what is happening here.

I hope you will have to search for threads on SA forum on what they talk about Nigerians. Please, leave me out of your sentimental mission. I am not going to be a part of that.

all4naija: You are not really getting the point here. I don't have to blame you for that. It is completely correct Nigeria is crimes ridden nation but not as SA.

This your particular comment only addresses the matter from a single aside while leaving the South African perspective on Nigerians and Nigeria in this forum out of it. I think you don't really know what is happening here.

I hope you will have to search for threads on SA forum on what they talk about Nigerians. Please, leave me out of your sentimental mission. I am not going to be a part of that.