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Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 10:10pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: South Africa is a nation developed by the white people of that society. It will be far worse than SOMALIA without the whites. PERIOD! Who cares, really? Who cares? What is the black-"developed" Nigeria like today? You need to get to work instead of trying to make yourself feel better offa the back of others. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 10:12pm On May 23, 2013 |
TerryCarr: how so?No xenophobia, no animosity for white people and attacks on foreigners on the streets and just to mentioned but a few. Religion infiltration can not be labeled as crime though. So leave Boko Haram out of it. UNODC states clear there is more crime in your society than Nigerian's. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 10:16pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: No xenophobia, no animosity for white people and attacks on foreigners on the streets and just to mentioned but a few. religion infiltration can not be labeled as crime though. So leave Boko Haram out of it. UNODC state clear there is more crime in your society than Nigerian's. Yeah, no "xenophobia", but terror attacks and suicide bombings! No xenophobia, but deadly tribal and religious wars. No xenophobia but a deadly rebellion from the North. Who cares if it cannot be labelled a crime if it kills just the same? You need to talk less. 2 Likes |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 10:22pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: What is the fuss all about when nobody care? It is very clear the inferiority among blacks as indigenous people is very high. I am beginning to understand the reason for the high animosity between one another in that society. That is such an accurate description of Nigeria. +1000 |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by TerryCarr(m): 10:31pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: No xenophobia, no animosity for white people and attacks on foreigners on the streets and just to mentioned but a few. Religion infiltration can not be labeled as crime though. So leave Boko Haram out of it. UNODC states clear there is more crime in your society than Nigerian's.but that stuff makes it more dangerous if that's the case then Somalia and Afghanistan is safer then Brazil and Mexico but any way if i was SA i would not want to many immigrants either especially poor ones that's one reason why Ivory Coast fell apart too many immigrants and xenophobia. there is rising attacks against Chinese in Angola and other African nations. xenophobia might not be a problem in Nigeria but tribalism is. 1 Like |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 10:36pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices: You are very correct on the part about jealousy. Look at his comment about Aliko Dangote on this thread, he's a serial offender. lol. www.nairaland.com/1280091/aliko-dangote-things-never-knew |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 10:42pm On May 23, 2013 |
TerryCarr: but that stuff makes it more dangerous if that's the case then Somalia and Afghanistan is safer then Brazil and Mexico but any way if i was SA i would not want to many immigrants either especially poor ones that's one reason why Ivory Coast fell apart too many immigrants and xenophobia. there is rising attacks against Chinese in Angola and other African nations. xenophobia might not be a problem in Nigeria but tribalism is. In the 1980s the Nigerian Government chased the Ghanaian community out of Nigeria. The infamous “Ghana Must Go” was xenophobia of the highest order in which Nigerians falsely ascribed their economic misfortunes and rising unemployment rate to the presence of Ghanaians in Nigeria. It was a detestable political move. As a people Nigerians have no shame at all. They have refused to ask their governments to provide the basic infrastructure and basic amenities needed to live/ lead a decent life. Today just 2 decades after Ghanaians left Nigeria; Nigerians are now the ones hustling in Ghana. For several reasons majority of Nigerians have chosen Ghana as their favourite spot in Africa. Others prefer the so called SA. www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/adeola-aderounmu/ghana-as-the-rising-giant-of-africa.html 4 Likes |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 11:06pm On May 23, 2013 |
zetdee: "As a people Nigerians have no shame at all. They have refused to ask their governments to provide the basic infrastructure and basic amenities needed to live/ lead a decent life." And I'm only quoting the Ghana article. And when they get frustrated due to their squalor, they want to bring others down under the guise of "commentary". |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 11:08pm On May 23, 2013 |
zetdee: Ghanaians did it first to Nigerians. South African blacks believing their condition is better than Nigerians is a big joke. The blacks in that society still live in squalor in their papa's land and they have some gruesome images of crimes coming out of the continent. It is clear there is no argument here. The truth of the matter is that the development of that society is the handwork of the whites who still control over 80% of the economy. If not that, the country would have fallen into state of disrepair by now. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 11:10pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: Yes , tit-for-tat. The point is that Ghana is now better than Nigeria. Nigeria can only blame itself for that. The failure to look inwards and this desire to spend your time in the business of others. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 11:12pm On May 23, 2013 |
zetdee:The same can be said about your people. You can also take a look at the comments made about Mandela by some South Africans in this forum. There is nothing new about that. Everybody can not agree on the same argument from the same perspective. SA development is the handwork of the white people. Without white people of that society SA would be far worse than SOMALIA! |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 11:16pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: The same can be said about your people. You can also take a look at the comments made about Mandela by some South Africans in this forum. There is nothing new about that. Everybody can not agree on the same argument from the same perspective. Whether the same can be said of South Africa is irrelevant. South Africa did not start this thread. Nigeria did. And Nigeria is a mess, but it wants to start threads about other people. I have been to both countries; and I know that you can't hold a candle to South Africa. The moment your people leave others alone, you'll see progress. Keep talking and the truth will keep being repeated in your ears. 1 Like |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 11:16pm On May 23, 2013 |
TerryCarr: but that stuff makes it more dangerous if that's the case then Somalia and Afghanistan is safer then Brazil and Mexico but any way if i was SA i would not want to many immigrants either especially poor ones that's one reason why Ivory Coast fell apart too many immigrants and xenophobia. there is rising attacks against Chinese in Angola and other African nations. xenophobia might not be a problem in Nigeria but tribalism is.Your point is not revealing nothing new and it is an avenue to commit crimes. The Zimbabweans have been feeding your most professional sectors for the blacks in that society yet you are not ready to commend that than torched some alive. Xenophobia in your society is unquantifiable, my friend! |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 11:20pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: Your point is not revealing nothing new and it is an avenue to commit. The Zimbabweans have been feeding your most professional sectors for the blacks in that society yet you are not ready to commend that than touched some alive. Xenophobia in your society is unquantifiable, my friend! Quantifiable or not - who cares? If Nigeria wasn't such a dump, your people wouldn't be running to other countries to suffer xenophobia. Exporting your best talent (my father included) because you're dysfunctional as a country. And then you want to talk about Xenophobia. If you can't respect yourselves enough to remove yourselves from squalor, are you surprised at your treatment? |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by UyiIredia(m): 11:26pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices: The problem with Nigeria is an inefficient overly-centralised administrative structure and poor leadership. If these 2 things are solved Nigeria can take the first steps to becoming a developed nation. In any case I can say we are better of now than we were in 1998. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by UyiIredia(m): 11:27pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices: The problems with Nigeria are: an inefficient overly-centralised administrative structure and poor leadership. If these 2 things are solved Nigeria can take the first steps to becoming a developed nation. In any case I can say we are better of now than we were in 1998. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 11:28pm On May 23, 2013 |
zetdee:Are you intoxicated or what? You must be prolific with the use of sophistry. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 11:32pm On May 23, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: That, I won't argue with. What needs to be dealt with is this attitudinal problem of the country always looking at itself in relative terms. And in that way failing to spend enough time on its problems. It's always about who Nigeria is better than. This thread demonstrates that. And then you wonder why some problems fall through the cracks? No one's looking at them because all eyes are on other people's problems. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by TerryCarr(m): 11:33pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: Your point is not revealing nothing new and it is an avenue to commit crimes. The Zimbabweans have been feeding your most professional sectors for the blacks in that society yet you are not ready to commend that than touched some alive. Xenophobia in your society is unquantifiable, my friend!im american |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 11:40pm On May 23, 2013 |
TerryCarr: im americanGood Terry. It means you only have little idea about the black people of that society. They are not so much different from Nigerians they blame for all manners of ill. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 11:41pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: Good Terry. It means you only have little idea about the black people of that society. They are not so much different from Nigerians they blame for all manners of ill. So what if they aren't different? That won't pull Nigeria from the dumps. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 12:04am On May 24, 2013 |
all4naija: Good Terry. It means you only have little idea about the black people of that society. They are not so much different from Nigerians they blame for all manners of ill. How many South Africans are there in Nigerians jails? On state visit Goodluck was shocked at the high number of Nigerians in SA jails, infact Nigeria has the highest number of prisoners in foreign jails. The thing is that SA doesn't export criminals to other countries, we have one of the highest number of foreign nationals in jail. So South Africans are victims of Xenophobia in their own country, would you agree? |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 12:22am On May 24, 2013 |
zetdee:Does that now justify the crimes of your society? Please, get off this thread with your export insinuation. You are alluding to what floats your boat, mister. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 12:30am On May 24, 2013 |
all4naija: Does that now justify the crimes of your society? Please, get off this thread with your export insinuation. You are alluding to what floats your boat, mister. Maybe it does not. But this is a Nigerian thread designed to talk about South Africa's problems. So, let's see how Nigeria fares in the things it wants to talk about. Don't chase people off the thread. Face up to the topics that you started. How many Nigerians are in foreign prisons worldwide? You did accuse nations of having high crime rates, didn't you? So, who exports criminals in Africa? Nigeria or South Africa? |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 4:18am On May 24, 2013 |
all4naija: What has that got to do with the white people of SA? For your own information, my father is also a Nigerian. I have been to that country to know what you are saying here to be lies. Ok so the Naija resident person is still on his one man anti SA crusade, from Independence Day in the Military Threat on NL to the who built SA to what is today, when we who've lived in former Townships who didn't have tarred roads now see 100% Black Owned firms providing all those amenities in those places. Now fool didn't you say some pages ago that you will never set foot on SA soil and that you know a businessman who was robbed and treated badly by SA customs officials on this very same thread I think its somewhere between page 2-11. Who is fooling who here "I've been to that country to know that what you are saying here is lies" Like the other south african brother onthe other thread told you before you are a Egotistical person with blind patriotism in the mist of condemning evidence you will still claim your innocence. A 23 year old student who has never sat foot on SA soil who still thinks Soweto is a Township with people living in squalor when the same Soweto uses four times the amount of electricity then Lagos state on a daily bases infact almost the full amount that's currently available on Nigeria's national grid. Nigeria has had 60 years to solve its sh*iithole out yet it lacks behind even Kenya today. State of emergencies in three states and even exporting crime and terror to UK now. We in SA knows full well we are a developing state and we still have 10-15 years to go before we can truly claim to have broken the shackles of the past but in 20 years we've down 5times more then Nigeria has, so just shut up and focus on your studies boy. 1 Like |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 4:44am On May 24, 2013 |
all4naija: That is kinda history. Such aid is not a transformation as your intended it to be at the onset. Nevertheless, such aid has been carried out before by many nations in Africa. From Zimbabwe to Nigeria. All have also given aid to SA during the Apartheid regime. The only Aid Nigeria gave to ANC was a 2year rent free apartment Communications headquarters for Mbeki in Lagos in 1970's by General OBJ and a $10m donation from federal state employees and that's a fact. Zambia, Soviets and Tanzania played a far bigger role and even lost there sons to the Apartheid regime. You need to read your history before you try and school people here I've posted the link of the Biography from Thabo Mbeki and the two years he spent in Lagos including he's friendship with OBJ. Go google SA history archives you fool. So can you tell me where did the aid go to the ANC and its liberation movements in exile or the man on the streets in Apartheid SA who confronted the regime on a daily bases instead of sitting in London and Lusaka holding cozy cigar meetings to end apartheid. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 5:03am On May 24, 2013 |
all4naija: No xenophobia, no animosity for white people and attacks on foreigners on the streets and just to mentioned but a few. Religion infiltration can not be labeled as crime though. So leave Boko Haram out of it. UNODC states clear there is more crime in your society than Nigerian's. The same UNOCD report which I actually gave you stated that Nigeria excluding B.ko Boys and focusing on the homicide rate per 100 000 capita is 18,800 murders annually and SA is 15,600 murders annually, only due to Nigeria's higher population its rate is 12,6% to SA's 32%. The UN don't include the b.ko Boys figures because its not classified as homicide but is classified as terrorist related incidence. You are a Egotistical Delusional fellow. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 5:38am On May 24, 2013 |
all4naija: Does that now justify the crimes of your society? Please, get off this thread with your export insinuation. You are alluding to what floats your boat, mister. person answer the question please. Just look what your boys have just done in UK now. Who will you blame now is it white European media outlets that's being blamed or the fact that a few IGBO Boys don't know how to behave themselves in another mans land and cry xenophobia whenever they are exposed instead of looking at the fundamental and underlying causes of such behavior on another mans land. Nigeria is smaller in Land mass terms then SA infact 25% smaller and it faces far worse domestic/ethnic/religious problems then SA. We in SA know we aren't any better but at least we work to solve our problems, whites/blacks/Colored/Indian we all carry the same ideals of what we want the future generation of SA to look like we are the most Racially and Religiously diverse African nation. The identity cards whites and blacks carry says south african not white/black south african. Nigeria today is the most religiously divided nation in africa yet there's only two main religious groupings Islam and Christianity who preach divisiveness amongst each other yet they forget they were all born atheist and adopted the religion of there fathers. Solve the overcrowded oil swamps problems first then you can through stones when your own yard is clean. Nigeria today should've been the 7th largest economy in the world the beacon of africa, and ranked amongst Brazil with similar populations yet it still behind when while it got its independence 60years ago. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by paniki(m): 10:51am On May 24, 2013 |
Lol, all4naija is feeling the heat. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 11:10am On May 24, 2013 |
DictatorZAR:It is very right you lacked comprehension. The truth of the matter is that I don't know what you are talking about. Many of you come around to tell lies and it is nothing new here. You cannot expect me to believe what you are saying here to be truth when I know what you are capable of doing with you ability to misconstrued others people's comments. Now, I would never visit South Africa. That I have said with strong determination and I have my reasons for it. That is a fact and it is clear in some of my comments. The country I said I have being to in my previous comment prior to this your very reply is NIGERIA. I don't want to call you names all rather slurs but I would like you to read my comments with open mind that jumping into conclusion just to air your erroneous opinion about what I said earlier. It doesn't say good about you and what you are trying to pass across. The development you are bragging about is not there in the squalor of Townships in the first place. It is a bogus claim that I will not accept until I see videos and images of what you are talking about. The images coming from news stories around the world say different things about the perfect picture you are trying to paint here with jugglery. That I cannot relate with in this your argument. The fact of the matter still remains that SA would be far worse than SOMALIA without white people. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 11:11am On May 24, 2013 |
Well, that UN report doesn't paint half the picture of Nigeria's crime story. People that work with Nigeria always have to guesstimate things because Nigerians are allergic to reliable numbers. They refuse to count 1-2-3 like normal people do. Making everyone's life difficult in the process. 1 Like |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 11:21am On May 24, 2013 |
DictatorZAR:Whatever that may be it is still aid. There is none your country can boast of it has given to Nigeria than your likes coming here to brag and expect us to marvel and worship you. That I cannot really understand about the black South Africans who cannot even find simple solutions to their problems of xenophobia and animosity which is ravaging the livelihood of that society. How do you expect me to stoop so low to such a barbarism that is one of the worst seen around Africa? Please, not for somebody like me. I would rather die than bow down to your primitive self-aggrandizement displays here. History has told us your country foraged through many countries in Africa for supports to get rid of Apartheid in South Africa. Like a scampering rat running in search of crumbs. That is what you failed to see than you have been saved from your white masters impunity by Nigerians and other Africans you are now preying on them on your streets with xenophobic inclinations. Get your streets fixed first before coming here to lambaste about Nigeria's donation and help given to your country in the past. |
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