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Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 4:04pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices:Lol... You are very myopic, my friend. The simple reason you cannot make anything out of Africa is because you failed to admit the truth and know where to take action. Keep living in your delusions and think that is how things work. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 4:07pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices:What have you really made out of this your comment not supporting my views on the matter? Isn't it the mechanism put in place by white people of that society that makes those things work the way they are? Please, you are still begging the question without having thorough scrutiny of what I have been saying all along. If not, it is right to say South African blacks are better than other African blacks. PERIOD! |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ProudSAfrican(m): 6:09pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: If you cannot find my response to that in my previous comment it only proves one thing you have not been reading my comments all along. Smart a** I responded to your post pointed out where your facts are false and I await your reply to my post. If you don't want to reply to my post say so I don't mind. Oh and I don't think your a racist guy your just hate your colour. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 6:33pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: What have you really made out of this your comment not supporting my views on the matter? Isn't it the mechanism put in place by white people of that society that makes those things work the way they are? What the H*** are you talking about? Do you hate South African blacks now because South Africa taught you how to shop at a mall? Now you can wear your best suit and go to Shop Right? Is that it? Cause you and I both know before the South Africans came, you didn't have mall supermarkets. Don't let me call you out, now. I know Nigeria. Nigerian women dress up to go do their grocery shopping at Shop Right (a lower end store in South Africa) and now you think you are a tough guy? I've been to Nigeria, so don't start with me. What a small man. Black Americans, Ghanaians and now South Africans are your enemies cause you can't fix your failed state? Is that it? |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by blitz8701(m): 6:38pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: This is the reason blacks remained backward and the least developed people on earth, for the simple reasons they fail to take actions and face with realities on ground. Any person that says the truth about the lackadaisical nature of most Africans is quickly labeled as worshiping whites. Such psychological battle is pulling most of us down because we don't admit the truth and face reality to tackle them than blab about color. I give up, there's no point trying to reasoning with u. You want to tell me about facts? Please... The fact is after 94 a black government has made amazing strides everybody knows that including you,your problem is that you lack humility and you're a very proud individual(u drip with pride). If you think whites are to thank for everything that SA has achieved after 94 so be it, I can't force reality down your throat. I'm done with this thread. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 6:49pm On May 23, 2013 |
Proud.SAfrican:You are some aberrant dude. It is very clear you lacked the ability to see what I am talking about in this thread. I don't find your retorts interesting as they are not pointing to anything related to this topic than your incessant outburst. Whatever you are trying to pass across has failed to be seen here. It is good you learn how to express yourself better than lambasting in anger. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 6:51pm On May 23, 2013 |
blitz8701:Progress based on what? You are the person who cannot support your claims yet you are quick to make them look as though they are facts. Now, I need explanation for your meaningless argument. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 6:54pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices:Hahaha... You are very ignorant! People will only laugh at your comments here. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Braggart!!! It has always been in your blood bragging about what you didn't work for. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 7:06pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: Hahaha... You are very ignorant! People will only laugh at your comments here. That's right. That's what the truth looks like I'm not even South African, so how is this bragging? Just telling you what you need to know. Modern civilisation came to Lagos with the South Africans. Cable TV, malls and supermarkets. You never had it. Now you're hatin'. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 7:15pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Many Nigerians will only laugh at your comment. I repeat, many Nigerians will only laugh at your comment. Do you know what that means? SA brought modernity to Nigeria! Many people will hear about this. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ProudSAfrican(m): 7:17pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: You are some aberrant dude. It is very clear you lacked the ability to see what I am talking about in this thread. I don't find your retorts interesting as they are not pointing to anything related to this topic than your incessant outburst. I see very clearly what your saying every sees it. Its either we are all wrong and you aren't a bigot or you are one. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 7:19pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: I'm not a dude. You know it's true when all you can say is "people will laugh". I've seen Nigeria. You hate the fact that you've been brought to civilisation by another African nation. Now you wanna bring them down. You can't even fix a hole in the road. How are you gonna talk about South Africa? I'm a student of Africa and a traveller of the continent. I see right through your skin-bleaching, envious, doo-ragged self-hate. The nerve... 1 Like |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 7:34pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices:Get your bragging complex out of here. Go and speak to your savagery Marakina mine blacks and the xenophobic people living in the squalor of Townships before coming here to make your arguments. People will continue to laugh at your comments. The Chinese have done much better in Nigeria than your petty SA yet they are not bragging about it. SA businesses in Nigeria are very miniscule. MTN good parts of the shares are still owned by Nigerians and your criminal-minded planners, Shoprites with its economical imperialism idea yet parts of its operations in Nigeria is owned by Nigerians, like the buildings and the logistic,etc. Those are strictly businesses and I know you don't understand what I am talking about. Just the way Nigerians own some businesses in SA. Keep bragging while your people are languishing in the Marakina kind of incidence in SA. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 7:37pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices: So thats why Nigerians hate us, my brother works for a campany thats building a powerstation in Nigeria. WHERE WOULD NIGERIA BE WITHOUT SOUTH AFRICA? " These days South African businesses are everywhere in Nigeria, and trade between the two countries has jumped from $11 million to $11 billion in 11 years. By Leonard Lawal, Fortune (Fortune Magazine) -- The Palms shopping center in Lagos is the largest mall in sub-Saharan Africa. It's managed by a South African company, Broll, and most of its stores - Game, Shoprite, NuMetro, Nandos - are South African brands. The largest mobile-phone company in Nigeria? It, too, is South African: MTN, which has captured nearly 50% of the market. Indeed, in Nigeria these days South African businesses are everywhere. Entech, a South African engineering firm, is leading a $3 billion redevelopment of Lagos's Bar Beach and Victoria Island waterfront. Another South African firm, Group Five, is building a power station in the Niger River delta. And the largest tourism project in the country, in Tinapa, is a joint venture between Standard Bank, Broll, and Southern Sun - all South African firms. (Standard Bank also just swallowed Nigeria's IBTC bank.) A Khartoum boom, courtesy of China South Africa's invasion of Nigeria, which began as a trickle after the end of apartheid in 1994, has turned into a flood over the past five years. Trade between the two nations has jumped from $11 million in 1994 to more than $11 billion in 2005, the last year for which reliable statistics are available. And the number of South African firms doing business in Nigeria has increased from just four in 1999 to hundreds today. "They have chosen the sectors they intervened in very carefully," says Frank Aigbogun, publisher of Businessday, a leading financial daily in Lagos, which has Johnnic Communications, a South African media giant, as a partner. "They filled a void in the investment space in Nigeria. Remember that the Europeans and Americans, wearied by endless years of military rule, did not quite know how to respond to the evolving democratic environment." Most Western companies that invested in Nigeria focused on the lucrative oil sector, leaving huge swaths of the economy open to South African entrepreneurs. The pioneer, says Olusola Obadimu, executive secretary of the Nigerian- South African Chamber of Commerce, was South African cable company DSTV/Multichoice, which captured 95% of the satellite-TV subscription market in the 1990s. "No Western company will take the kind of risks they took," Obadimu says. "But their teams came down, felt the pulse of the populace, and they succeeded." MTN followed in Multichoice's wake a few years later - "They rode on that kahuna," as Obadimu puts it - when the government auctioned off mobile- phone bandwidth. "Western telcos were not interested for obvious reasons of lack of infrastructure," he says. "But South African firms knew of the success of DSTV/Multichoice, and they invested. It reflects the long-term vision of the government in Pretoria, which saw Africa as one trading bloc. It's a small country but highly industrialized, and they need new markets." A Texas company in Sudan South African leader Thabo Mbeki, whom former Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo had befriended during the struggle against apartheid, won concessions from the Nigerian government to facilitate trade. Among them were agreements to protect South African firms against future nationalizations and to eradicate double taxation, meaning South African firms that pay taxes in Nigeria are exempt from paying taxes on profits repatriated to South Africa. Not all South Africans have been welcomed with open arms, and it's not uncommon to hear them described by Nigerians as "neocolonialists." There are complaints about price gouging and other unfair practices. MTN is a particular target. It took a boycott some years back to get it to charge customers by the second instead of rounding up to the next minute. And the Nigerian Senate recently rebuked MTN and other carriers for their high dropped-call rates. "These people are exploiting us," says Tokunbo, a Nigerian MTN engineer who asked to be identified by his first name, referring to South African businesses. "Western companies won't engage in some things these South African firms do in cahoots with our fellow Nigerian officials." MTN did not respond to requests for comment. None of that has lessened South Africa's investment offensive. South Africa's Eskom collects debts and runs the prepaid-card operations for the local energy monopoly, Power Holding Corp. of Nigeria, a notoriously inefficient company scheduled for outright sale. Ariva, another South African company, operates the national lottery, and Telkom is bidding for Multilink, a wireless-network provider. Even the ballots in this year's contentious elections were printed in South Africa" NIGERIANS PLS BE MORE GREATFULL AND STOP HATING. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 7:39pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: Get your bragging complex out of here. Go and speak to your savagery Marakina mine blacks and the xenophobic people living in the squalor of Townships before coming here to make your arguments. I'm not even South African. Must I keep telling you the same darn thing? I couldn't care less about Marikana. What I care about is that you're a skin-bleaching hater. Hatin on your civilizer. You had nothing in Lagos. Nigeria is a big ole dump as we speak. Now cause of the little civilization you've been given by South Africa, you think you gonna hate on them - in the supermarkets they gave to you. You can't hold a candle to the work that these people have done. All you know is how to work the system, pilfer and hate - cause you ain't ever seen any progress. You do the same thing with each other. You hate. Now you want to hate other nations. I know what South Africa has done in Lagos. You can't hate on that. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 7:42pm On May 23, 2013 |
zetdee:Looking at the highlighted words it is clear you don't know what you are talking about. Which is not up to 0.3% of Nigerian GDP. Your claim is laughable. Go and server your white masters, dude! |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 7:49pm On May 23, 2013 |
zetdee: That's what I'm talking about. You don't even need to tell me that. Been there. Shopped there. This dude is so jealous it makes me wanna throw up. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 7:50pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: Looking at the highlighted words it is clear you don't know whay you are talking about. Which is not up to 0.3% of Nigerian GDP. Your claim is laughable. Go talk to the Nigerian who wrote this piece. Don't shoot the messenger. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 7:52pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices:If you are not a South African that just made your case worse. Much more worse than a deluded fellow. I don't know where your claimed to be coming from by I know you are a skimp person. Civilization you talk about is what the blacks of South African society is still fighting to have yet you come around to peddle false information as though SA is doing that in Nigeria. A country foretasted to overtake SA economically soon. You must be hallucinating from your excess use of hallucinogen. It is clear here your are the one that needs SA kind of civilization not Nigerians. Like the xenophobia, barbaric attacks on African immigrants on the streets, etc will be parts of the things you will benefit from the civilization. Don't worry they will bring it to you soon wherever you are. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 7:56pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices:The Nigerian who wrote the sh*t is as deluded as you are. There is no doubt about that. However, there is nothing worth talking about of blacks in SA. They contributed nothing good to the development of that nation. So, without white people in that country it will be far worse than SOMALIA! Thanks to the white people of South African society. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 7:57pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: If you are not a South African that just made your case worse. Much more worse than a deluded fellow. I don't know where your claimed to be coming from by I know you are a skimp person. Nothing worse here. Biggest skin-bleaching market in the world. And you wanna talk about white people. Hating on yourself as a nation. Small wonder you'll hate on others too, cause that's all you do. What has Nigeria ever started and finished? Hatin on the hand that wipes your drippin nose. You cleaned up real good now, thanks to South Africa and you think you got something to say. Wearing a tuxedo to go to shop right. 1 Like |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 8:00pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: Don't worry they will bring it to you soon wherever you are.American, baby. Your other civilizer and feeder of you jealous lot. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 8:01pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices:You know nothing about Nigeria, my friend. It is SA that needs to thank Nigeria and their fate,if not, they would still be walloping in slavery till today. You are miss-educated about Nigeria, lady. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by TerryCarr(m): 8:03pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: The Nigerian who wrote the sh*t is as deluded as you are. There is no doubt about that.doubt it |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 8:03pm On May 23, 2013 |
Coma_Berenices: American, baby. Your other civilizer and feeder of you jealous lot.You are not! Not,not! Do you wanna go?! |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 8:04pm On May 23, 2013 |
TerryCarr: doubt itWhy do you doubt it? |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by TerryCarr(m): 8:06pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: You know nothing about Nigeria, my friend. It is SA that needs to thank Nigeria and their fate,if not, they would still be walloping in slavery till today.mostly Europe and America had the biggest impact on apartheid. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 8:07pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: You know nothing about Nigeria, my friend. It is SA that needs to thank Nigeria and their fate,if not, they would still be walloping in slavery till today. My father's Nigerian. I know enough about that slum. And I've been there enough times to know what I'm talking about. And South Africa too. Yeah - been there long enough to know what I'm talking about. You know nothing about the world and are the exemplar of the cursed African everyone talks about. Hating on yourself. Hating on others. Hating on progress when you can't even build a house of cards. You've been civilised. Respect your civilizers and stop making a fuss over useless things. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by TerryCarr(m): 8:07pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: Why do you doubt it?it will be worse then Somalia |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by Nobody: 8:08pm On May 23, 2013 |
TerryCarr: mostly Europe and America had the biggest impact on apartheid.That is a point without explanations. I would like you to explain it with evidences. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 8:08pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: You are not! Not,not! Do you wanna go?! I'm not gonna argue about nonsense. Believe what you wanna. |
Re: Where Would South Africa Be Without White People? by ComaBerenices(f): 8:12pm On May 23, 2013 |
all4naija: That is a point without explanations. I would like you explain it with evidences. Attention seeker. You deserve no explanation. Go read a book. Who cares if Nigeria saved the world, if it can't save itself today? Total decay in a tight overcrowded situation. |
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