hensben:
Is it two games they use in knowing a quality player or consistency. Or will you now say Mario Gotze is the best German striker since he scored a wc final goal.

Those 2 games are the difference between losing a final and winning. The Win was where Allison was breaking saves record even with VVD in front of him.

The kudos goes to Allison more than anyone else

sebod:

England had good defence, good AMs and Wayne Rooney and could not succeed while having the great Lampard because of no good balance. But Pep team succeeded because of Xavi and Messi. How could two players provide the needed good balance for Pep while many players together with the exceptional Lampard could not provide same for their country?

Terry they called world class
Rio world class
Cashley world class
Gerrard world class
Rooney world class
Beckham world class
Lampard world class

So 7 world class players out of 11 is not enough to make a semi final?

CAPdan21:


dis one nor just know anything..abi last season when Liverpool failed to keep Clean Sheets at the start of the season with fabinho screening the defence but as soon as he got injured they went on a run of 9-10 games without conceding in the league with Henderson in the DM position..abi fabinho who raumdeuter is now praising is now a carry-along player..d fact is good teams always find a solutions to their problems in the early part of seasons and liverpool are no exception

Was that not the beginning of the season when Allison got injured but VVD was playing every game yet they couldnt keep a clean sheet

When Liverpool crashed out to Atletico with VVD picking race anytime he saw Morata, who did they blame? Was it not the keeper Adrian?

No VVD no problems,
No Allison big problems NO CL no League

nihilistjnr:


Omo na fantasy football scout, but I be paid member

You dey pay for fantasy scout and I still dey take you wipe floor anyhow. You should be paying me instead

airmark:


You would have made sense if most of those goals were caused by VVD.

Who was causing the goals? Maybe Allison from hospital
The person causing the goal what now happened to him? Oh he got injured his name is VVD

The same person hopping around when Liverpool conceded vs West Ham is now giving us shalaye of who is responsible for the goals conceded
Why did you not tell us who was responsible for the clean sheet that won Liverpool their CL

Ibime:


Chelsea with Matic and Costa (who went on strike in January) = 93 points

Chelsea with Fabregas and Morata = 70 points

Of course Morata is responsible for some of the downgrade but not all of it.

For example, because Fabregas is a defensive liability, Conte was forced to play with 3 CMs and only 2 forwards a lot of the time, whereas with Matic and Kante, he leaves 3 forwards on the pitch as Matic can Kante can hold the defensive side alone. That alone cost us a lot of goals from not being able to field 3 forwards.

We also dropped a lot of points from winning positions due to midfield escorting.

We are getting there slowly. We've gone from comparison with Lampard to comparison with Matic. We will soon get to comparison with Youssouf Fofana who is benching him in Monaco currently.

After that, we will find the Morata in Monaco to blame so we can absolve Fabregas.

Unless someone can claim to have forgotten, but Fabregas escort services was very obvious that season. That was when people who didn't know about his escort became convinced.

Maybe some people can't remember very well, but I remember well that season that Fabregas can into the first eleven at the beginning of the season trying to please Conte by overstretching his capabilities and trying to help defensively, but because that is never part of him he got tired by November and full escort services started and Chelsea started dropping points with speed.

nihilistjnr:


Forced?

Isnt 352 Conte's default formation everywhere else except for Chelsea? He played that formation at Juve(with a legless Pirlo for that matter). Played it at Italy. Plays it today at Inter.

It was the brilliance of Hazard that forced Conte to swap to a 343 to accomodate the best winger in the league at the time. And it was the utter incompetence of the useless striker we had in Morata that didnt allow his normal formation to work.

This is not true. It was the midfield problem after losing Matic and low productivity from the Willian wing that he was trying to fix that got him playing that 352 in Chelsea.

raumdeuter:


Was that not the beginning of the season when Allison got injured but VVD was playing every game yet they couldnt keep a clean sheet

When Liverpool crashed out to Atletico with VVD picking race anytime he saw Morata, who did they blame? Was it not the keeper Adrian?

No VVD no problems,
No Allison big problems NO CL no League

Even after allison came back they still had 4 or 5 games without keeping clean sheets until fabinho got injured and Henderson slotted in as the DM...so i'll ask again was Fabinho a carry along player or d only carry along players are those u don't like..d fact is liverpool are too good a team to be crippled by the absence of any one player..added to this is that the backup to van dijk are at least competent and experienced players...adrian and karius are terrible

raumdeuter:


You dey pay for fantasy scout and I still dey take you wipe floor anyhow. You should be paying me instead

Greatihex:
Unless someone can claim to have forgotten, but Fabregas escort services was very obvious that season. That was when people who didn't know about his escort became convinced.

Maybe some people can't remember very well, but I remember well that season that Fabregas can into the first eleven at the beginning of the season trying to please Conte by overstretching his capabilities and trying to help defensively, but because that is never part of him he got tired by November and full escort services started and Chelsea started dropping points with speed.

No mind them. All this long shalaye is after results haven't gone their way and the Fabregas saviour they screamed for failed to perform when brought from the bench to prove it.

Monaco have also dropped Fabregas from first team for one Guinea-Bissau nigga and they are now back near the top of the table after Fabregas was taking them to to relegation scraps and midtable.

The fact is no shalaye can absolve Fabregas from various managers who have been benching him for the last 4 years for these very reasons. Throwing a good long pass does not cover his sins.

CAPdan21:

Even after allison came back they still had 4 or 5 games without keeping clean sheets until fabinho got injured and Henderson slotted in as the DM...so i'll ask again was Fabinho a carry along player or d only carry along players are those u don't like..d fact is liverpool are too good a team to be crippled by the absence of any one player..added to this is that the backup to van dijk are at least competent and experienced players...adrian and karius are terrible

Van Dijk played all games last season and the team looked worse in defence without Allison
The loss to Atletico was blamed on not having Allison, the CL final loss to Madrid was blamed on not having Allison, with Allison they won the CL, Without Allison, VVD was conceding 7 goals to Aston Villa


This season, Liverpool played 7 games with Allison and conceded 7 goals. That is the same number of goals VVD led Liverpool to concede vs Villa just because Allison is not there

hensben:
In that 2010 wc triumph xabi Alonso was the one doing the dirty job in DM,

That's a big fat lie. Was it not the same Alonso that was booted out when Spain was playing their most important match which was WC final?

Busquets bossed the DM while Alonso was like a virus that had to be removed.

raumdeuter:


Van Dijk played all games last season and the team looked worse in defence without Allison
The loss to Atletico was blamed on not having Allison, the CL final loss to Madrid was blamed on not having Allison, with Allison they won the CL, Without Allison, VVD was conceding 7 goals to Aston Villa


This season, Liverpool played 7 games with Allison and conceded 7 goals. That is the same number of goals VVD led Liverpool to concede vs Villa just because Allison is not there

that's cuz like I explained the backups to van dijk are competent and experienced...the loss to atletico, real and villa were all characterized by the keeper gifting goals to the opposition..if they were at least competent those losses would probably not have happened..just imagine the last CL Neuer gifting free goals to psg in a high tension encounter where every goal counts, bayern probably would have lost too

CAPdan21:

that's cuz like I explained the backups to van dijk are competent and experienced...the loss to atletico, real and villa were all characterized by the keeper gifting goals to the opposition..if they were at least competent those losses would probably not have happened..just imagine the last CL Neuer gifting free goals to psg in a high tension encounter where every goal counts, bayern probably would have lost too

If anytime Allison is not in goal you suffer, but when VVD is not on the field the team copes. Then what does that tell you about who is more important to the defensive stability
This season alone, without VVD, Players like Matip(just came back from injury), Fabinho(A DM by trade), Phillips (A PL rookie) have all played and gotten results. That shows how unimportant VVD is if a DM, a rookie and a player just back from long term injury can replace him and perform better

The main MVP to Liverpools defence is

1. Klopps system which makes every defender look decent.
- I have been watching Matip from his days at Schalke and he was a complete joke, righ now looks like he was born to play defence. where he was topping clearance stats in a CL final
- Fabinho a DM slots into defence and fits in
- Nat Phillips a rookie plays and did not miss a beat
- Gomez a rookie plays and does not look out of place

2. Allison

Greatihex:
Don't get me wrong, Morata did us dirty, but our midfield was also as bad in shielding the defence.

True but if Morata should score those chances. We won't have to blame those midfielders

raumdeuter:


If anytime Allison is not in goal you suffer, but when VVD is not on the field the team copes. Then what does that tell you about who is more important to the defensive stability
This season alone, without VVD, Players like Matip(just came back from injury), Fabinho(A DM by trade), Phillips (A PL rookie) have all played and gotten results. That shows how unimportant VVD is if a DM, a rookie and a player just back from long term injury can replace him and perform better

The main MVP to Liverpools defence is

1. Klopps system
2. Allison

the team copes better without VVD because fabinho is a world class DM who is also excellent at CB, matip and gomez are no slouches themselves...if liverpool has a fabinho equivalent as a back up keeper, the loss of allison would have been mitigated

CAPdan21:

the team copes better without VVD because fabinho is a world class DM who is also excellent at CB, matip and gomez are no slouches themselves...if liverpool has a fabinho equivalent as a back up keeper, the loss of allison would have been mitigated

Fabinho is excellent in CB because Klopps system protects him well, Where else has Fabinho played CB and excelled like this?

Matip is no slouch? who said that? Maybe you just started watching Matip. Gomez and Phillips are only good because Klopps system protects them

It was the same in Dortmund where players like Hummels Subotic, Grosskreutz, Kuba Schmelzer etc were made to look better than they are normally, Outside of Dortmund they all dropped significantly

NewDelhi:
Abraham na dummy Sha. See better up through he suppose drop for there. E still dey carry ball run with that him chicken lifeless legs.

hello how is your alternate king azubuike?

Pulisic with the beards

Neobulletzz:
Pulisic with the beards

See as e soft.

Abeg make e keep am.

Adama go just dey buzz past players like fly

These two teams dey ball sha...Southampton have been particularly impressive to me.

raumdeuter:


Who was causing the goals? Maybe Allison from hospital
The person causing the goal what now happened to him? Oh he got injured his name is VVD

The same person hopping around when Liverpool conceded vs West Ham is now giving us shalaye of who is responsible for the goals conceded
Why did you not tell us who was responsible for the clean sheet that won Liverpool their CL

Team achievement is a product of a concerted effort from all the players but we will always praise stand-out ones.

Boathand has a world cup medal but the competition organisers saw him as a carry along why they didn't individually honour him, unlike Neuer, Lahm, Hummels, Muller and others that stood out.

Van Dijk stood out in the Liverpool defence that won Ucl, why he didn't only make Uefa team of the year, and Fifa best 11, he was Uefa player of the year. Something the calamitous Boateng will never achieve even in his dream.

First blood to Southampton

airmark:


Team achievement is a product of a concerted effort from all the players but we will always praise stand-out ones.

Boathand has a world cup medal but the competition organisers saw him as a carry along why they didn't individually honour him, unlike Neuer, Lahm, Hummels, Muller and others that stood out.

Van Dijk stood out in the Liverpool defence that won Ucl, why he didn't only make Uefa team of the year, and Fifa best 11, he was Uefa player of the year. Something the calamitous Boateng will never achieve even in his dream.

Boateng has won 2 trebles plus a world cup trophy, when will VVD win his own world cup?

Liverpool carry along

nihilistjnr:


There's no way anybody objectively can look at Fab in that 2017/2018 season and blame him for our troubles, especially with this guy doing this on the pitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPLrgXNFuJA&feature=emb_title

Timbros and Raumdeuter's Morata.

airmark:


Timbros and Ramdeuter's Morata.

Tell us how many CL goals your Belloti has

raumdeuter:


Boateng has won 2 trebles plus a world cup trophy, when will VVD win his own world cup?

Liverpool carry along

What distinguishes players in a winning team is their individual honours.

Boathand has a World cup medal, but the organisers, Fifa didn't put him in World cup best XI and Fifa best XI of the year because he was a carry along defender.


VVD.

raumdeuter:


Tell us how many CL goals your Belloti has

Was that the reason Morata gave you L when he played for us?

airmark:
What distinguishes players in a winning team is their individual honours.

Boathand has a World cup medal, but the organisers, Fifa didn't put him in World cup best XI and Fifa best XI of the year because he was a carry along defender.

VVD.

What distingushes a player is what you help your team to win. Like world cup and trebles. Not polling booth awards

Michael Owen won Balon dor, Henry never won, Shearer never won, Etoo never won, Maldini never won, Buffon never did, Kahn never did

Only a lunatic will rate Owen above all those names

airmark:
Was that the reason Morata gave you L when he played for us?

Morata gave who L? What did Belotti give you?

The biggest club in Italy went to buy Morata twice, they saw Belotti playing in their country their league their countryman and ignored him like a leper

This Adama Traore na egbé.