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Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Nobody: 7:24am On May 08, 2012 |
Beaf: Guy, there is no such river for inland waterways in Ekiti! Good roads are needed. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Gbawe: 8:46am On May 08, 2012 |
bayooooooo: Indeed . I simply can't believe the submissions here trying to downplay the importance of transportation to overall development. Let us not forget that we are talking of a nation where decades of under-investment in the transport sector now means that road travel is the main way to move goods, services and people around in Nigeria. There are many scholarly and expertly compiled case-studies available , particularly pertaining to developing Nations, that well-educated men like Fayemi, coupled with the peculiar problem faced, will base their decision-making on not the half-baked theory of those who don't have the well-rounded knowledge that will assist them to link the problem with solutions. This thread has only gone this way (transport not important/not a priority/taking funds away from other sectors) because there are pictures to indeed back the testimony of Ekiti folks. If there were no pictures, after some initially demanded it, the thread would be derailed because things would have stayed at the level of many spamming and repeatedly demanding for pictures. We have all seen that childish modus-operandi elsewhere. As it is, some have to now find other reasons to diminish what is clearly a good development for Ekiti. Hence some of the ridiculous submissions we are reading here. For reasons that are terribly obvious, it is expedient for Fayemi to focus on developing road infrastructure. http://www.preservearticles.com/201106228398/importance-of-transport-and-communication.html What is Importance of Transport and Communication for a country like India? |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by ektbear: 8:47am On May 08, 2012 |
Solar? And you are saying that I am "pie in the sky?" Have you looked into how expensive solar actually is for generating electricity? Look, stick to concern over your state. Let me focus on mine. The "edge" Ekiti has over certain other states is that it has people like with me who reason more sharply than others. We lose that advantage if we start listening to people who propose dumb things like solar energy for large-scale energy production. Seriously, there is no point in commenting on electricity if you don't even realize that solar is extremely expensive, on a per kWh basis... |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by ektbear: 8:51am On May 08, 2012 |
Inland waterways. In Ekiti State? Air, for transporting produce? I.e., charter a plane to transport yam from Ekiti to Lagos? Do you want the farmers to go bankrupt? My brothers and sisters. Fellow Ekiti indigenes and Yoruba people more generally. If we listen to perhaps well-meaning but clearly uninformed folk like this, we are absolutely doomed. It is very easy for people to propose suggestions and give advice for a state that isn't their own. After all, if their advice is id1otic, they don't bear the risks. However, for me, my own suggestions are the best strategy going forward, to my knowledge. At least given what I know, what I've researched and read. But it sure as heck beats anything proposed so far on this thread. I haven't seen anyone yet suggest something better. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by ektbear: 8:59am On May 08, 2012 |
Here is a table from Wikipedia on the costs of different sources of electricity: ![]() Solar is near the red arrow I've drawn. Notice that its cost ("Total System Levelized Cost" ) is a factor of 2X or more than the alternatives. There is no point in you commenting on this thread about energy if you don't even know how much things cost. We don't need advice from people who have no clue what they are talking about. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Gbawe: 9:01am On May 08, 2012 |
ekt_bear: Solar? Indeed my brother and this is what I have been saying all along. Such a dumb statement, announced with audacity, yet lacking basis in financial/economic/feasibility logic, is what I resent. This thread is full of it i.e many making asinine suggestion , purely for the sake of it, they think is intelligent while trying to dismiss the effort of an administrator who is actually getting the results we all said we wanted before the elections. Some are not even bright enough to know that, for very good reasons, many developing Nations , including our west African neighbours, predicate their development on a direct improvement of the transport sector linking everyone and everywhere. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by PhysicsQED(m): 9:17am On May 08, 2012 |
@ekt bear, I think the cost of solar recently went down to around that of nuclear. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Gbawe: 9:25am On May 08, 2012 |
ekt_bear: Inland waterways. In Ekiti State? My brother, now you are on the same page as me. Some fool above accused me of being angry. Well, why will I not be angry when , as a proud Yoruba man wanting the best for his region and people, I see mischief-makers and self-confessed "spin and spellers" trying to bamboozle those less knowledgeable into believing that this attempt at developing road infrastructure is now, somehow, a bad thing? They start by asking for pictures and calling Fayemi's effort a "big fat lie". When those pictures arrive to back up the testimony , on this thread, of those in Ekiti like Ijigbamigb, below, they now totally forget their demand for picture to suddenly announce that "there is much more to development than just building roads". Which decent Yoruba person will not be annoyed at such open mischief from those, without a doubt, we know have their own sectional/ethnic agenda? Ijigbamigb wrote: Sincerely, works are going on around the state and the Guy is really focused on his urban-renewal projects. Also, his promise to review the strategic position of the state within Nigeria towards becoming the major rice producer for the nation the governor is working towards raising the state's economy and job creation. I am currently in ado ekiti and i see things for myself. Busy now and will upload some pics soon. The effort to ridicule Fayemi's effort , with reasoning that is clearly inferior and ignorant, only highlights their own idiocy. Why will anyone, genuinely interested in progress for the SW, not be angry with those actions? It is like witnessing a non-Yoruba person like Edicolove constantly lying against Fashola (" no single drainage work in Lagos under Fashola" ) while I am seeing superb drainage projects in my area to redress dilapidation that has not been touched in 20 years !!! Why will anyone not be angry at such a wicked attempt at defamation? I can pull out 10 case studies , relating to developing Nations, that shows Fayemi is absolutely on the right path trying to optimally develop the road infrastructure of Ekiti. It is a measure of how Nairalands is full of haters and negative folks that anyone can now actually speak against an effort to aggresively improve road infrastructure in a Nation that relies heavily on roads for the transportation of goods, services and people. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by ektbear: 9:26am On May 08, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: I highly, highly doubt that. If that were true and the cost of solar energy had dropped that low, I certainly wouldn't be hearing about it first on NL. You will have to back up your claim with a citation (e.g., someone else's study) which shows this for me to consider believing this claim over that of the DoE study. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Gbawe: 10:01am On May 08, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: @ekt bear, I think the cost of solar recently went down to around that of nuclear. Oga mi, trust me when I say solar energy, for now, even if it can be considered "part of the mix", is not financially viable , for Nigeria, to the extent it can be suggested as a solution above other means of generation especially given our natural endowment (the gas we flare shamelessly for example) that ridicules our current predicament and highlights the poor leadership we are blighted with . How do you wish to proceed? What cost estimation shall I begin pulling out? Regional solar farms producing bulk supply or individual photovoltaic cells , with accompanying modules completing the loop, for homes/factories/businesses/offices? Whichever way, it will still be extremely easy to show that solar , for now, is way down the feasibility scale for a Nation abundantly blessed with oil and gas. Can we/should we spare even a tenth of the sort of money discussed below (£35.7 billion) given our natural endowment? http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/22/solarpower.windpower
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Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by ektbear: 10:06am On May 08, 2012 |
It has nothing to do with Nigeria specifically, really. Generating electricity from solar is not competitive with generating it from other sources, for any country (aside from possibly some island country in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, perhaps. but said country has no hope of industrializing anyways..) Technology would have to advance quite a bit for solar to be competitive. And again...if this happens, we wouldn't be reading/hearing about it on NL. We'd see Japan replace their nuclear power plants with solar. The US shut down its coal plants for solar, etc |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Gbawe: 10:13am On May 08, 2012 |
ekt_bear: It has nothing to do with Nigeria specifically, really. When I mention Nigeria, I mean that the idea of solar energy is even more ludicrous given our Natural Gas endowment. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by ektbear: 10:21am On May 08, 2012 |
100% agree on that last point. Nigeria has enough natural gas to probably power all of Africa. If Nigeria gets natural gas and electricity right, then not only should nobody in Nigeria be talking of solar, likely nobody in West Africa should. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by ektbear: 10:26am On May 08, 2012 |
Anyway, let me not talk about the electricity needs of all of West Africa again ![]() my own "problem" to solve fortunately is a much smaller one (Ekiti State.) Negotiating some arrangement with Dangote's cement plants in Kogi to buy electricity from them probably is going to be enough to make good progress on our energy needs, at least in the short term. I look forward to the day that states can distribute electricity and set the price it can be sold for themselves.. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Gbawe: 10:32am On May 08, 2012 |
ekt_bear: 100% agree on that last point. Indeed. Little known to most, for example, is the fact that it is our supply of Natural gas to Ghana that enables the Country to maintain its image as a West African nation with reliable/stable power. Perverse that we are engulfed in darkness yet enter into contractual 'big brother' obligations to supply others with gas. http://businessnews.com.ng/2012/02/07/erratic-gas-supply-from-nigeria-causes-ghana-electricity-outages/ Erratic Gas Supply from Nigeria causes Ghana Electricity Outages |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Remal: 10:55am On May 08, 2012 |
Gbawe: |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Remal: 10:59am On May 08, 2012 |
Do you live in ekiti yourself? A lot of constructions are going on but they do not make sense. I guess you are an ACN member. Irọ pọ. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by PhysicsQED(m): 11:28am On May 08, 2012 |
@ekt. Bear, I'm not typing from a real computer right now so I can't post links, but the article I was referring to is called ' solar and nuclear costs: the historic crossover ' . However upon doing some further searching about the article i found that it had been seriously debunked, so i was indeed wrong there. My mistake. @Gbawe, I agree natural gas is the way to go and i was pleasantly surprised to read that the current administration is trying to get foreign investment in that area. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Gbawe: 11:42am On May 08, 2012 |
Remal: Do you live in ekiti yourself? A lot of constructions are going on but they do not make sense. I guess you are an ACN member. Irọ pọ. Why don't you tell us why the "lot of construction" going on "do not make sense"? Give us your perspective. That is all I ask. Obviously Fayemi and the many skilled local and foreign town/urban/planning and road construction experts have very detailed training and knowledge that makes them pursue the construction pattern you now see. It is therefore not enough to flippantly dismiss what they are doing as "not making sense". Indulge us with your opinion and state precisely how you will do things. We need submission that shows your 'superior' grasp and illustrate you understand the internal transport linkage of Ekiti, combined with a fluent understanding of how this merges with interstate roads and general transport flow/heirarchy/order. That is how we will all become a Nation of politically sophisticated people who proffer solutions when they criticise the efforts of others. If you are going to ungraciously dismiss the efforts of others, then please make your own brilliant submission. That is what I would do and have always done on Nl. If, for example, I criticise GEJ's handling of the Ogun impeachment saga then be assured I will supply a solution, without ambiquity, I think will redress the situation. In fact I posited that GEJ , as C-in-C, simply had to facilitate the majority impeached unfairly to sit and carry out their legitimate duty in reversing illegality and gangsterism. I did not just heap criticism on GEJ vacuously. At the end you then say "Iro po" when you yourself has admitted that there is a lot of construction going on validating the topic of the thread to begin with. Who is lying then? Me? Fayemi? The pictures supplied? Anybody who finds it easy to ungraciously pull down and badmouth the efforts of others ,without offering their own alternative provisions, is certainly not helping issues. Forget the ACN or Politics. Be the first on this thread , even as I have asked others several times, to school and dazzle us with your suggested solutions that will convince everyone, beyond doubt, that the efforts of others "do not make sense". |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by PhysicsQED(m): 11:45am On May 08, 2012 |
@ekt bear, Japan is actually putting a lot of effort into solar following their nuclear crisis, but that's clearly for reasons of safety rather than cost. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Ufeolorun(m): 11:57am On May 08, 2012 |
Fayemi knows what to do but he's been disappointingly going on about. I thought he isn't conventional but he's crassly same same. We can make a lot of money from educational services as well by just latching unto the wide spread perception held about the state, but no!,aiye san Oga-Govenor he wants Airport so he wouldn't have to travel through the craters Is it not shameful that we are still heavily dependent on handout(though its our right under the law) from the feds despite the huge resources at our disposal,our people donot want only handouts lead them to the way of self-sufficiency Fiddlesticks! You are seriously under performing sir You know what to do, you don't need all this long winded waffles. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Gbawe: 12:07pm On May 08, 2012 |
Ufeolorun: Fayemi knows what to do but he's been disappointingly going on about. I thought he isn't conventional but he's crassly same same. Man mi, no administrator can be without fault or totally beyond reproach. Personally, I also don't agree with a focus on Airport construction as priority for Ekiti. That does not mean , based on that policy alone, I will conclude Fayemi is failing. I prefer to to look at individual sectors and look at specifics gains made therein. It appears Fayemi is doing well with road infrastructure and that , more or less, is the main point of this thread. Why not stay on topic by providing your opinion on this specific issue instead of talking about something else here? |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Ufeolorun(m): 12:38pm On May 08, 2012 |
Gbawe, Well my expectation is far beyond just one issue cos I thought we now have someone who will get the job done, I prolly rated him too high and am already re-adjusting to emerging facts. Nobody want London or lagos in ekiti infact, I don't pray for that just build on the naturally sensible society that Ekiti is,that's all. He should be seriously flaunting is achievement/quantifiable work in progress so far in AGRIC,EDUCATION,IT.Roads should be an ordinary ancillary to all these Ekitis are probably the easiest people to lead just do what is right and I trust people will go to any length to support you ask Awo's foot-soldiers and they will tell you how much support baba got from Ekiti people. NB. I don't have problem with your thread or your point of view,really, but not happy with the disjointed way the government is going on about.I don't criticise Jonathan anymore cos I expect nothing from him,basically. |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Gbawe: 1:09pm On May 08, 2012 |
Ufeolorun: Gbawe, My brother, I get your drift now. I have always known you to contribute wisely here. I think we should give these SW Governors sensible time to perform. They met a lot of mess on the ground and little allowance is given , in everyone's desire to witness a 3 month miracle, to the consideration that there must first be a period within which administrators will first clear up the intangible fiscal, political and administrative mess on ground before the "see and feel" dividends are delivered. We need no better example than Oshiomhole. Even dismantling Anenih's dark political control (not achieved completely to date) ,to the level oshiomhole could begin delivering for his people, took time. That dirty and unexciting aspect of the job is one many of us do not concern ourselves with. It is however an important part of the whole picture that cannot be ignored. By and large, it seems Ekiti is now on the right path after Fayemi has made the ship stable enough to now talk confidently as he does below. He won't get everything right but that is where constructive criticsm helps. By the way, I still don't know your opinion about Fayemi's effort towards road infrastructure. Do you not think he deserves credit in that regard? http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/govt-okays-n12bn-on-13-road-projects/104292/ Govt Okays N12bn on 13 Road Projects |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Ufeolorun(m): 7:51pm On May 08, 2012 |
Let's wait like you said but these guys have set so high standard for themselves and I am judging base on this I don't want any federal party(they have bad antecedents) back in Ekiti and possibly the region. Politics is local and local it must remain.This mean they have to get a lot done. Digression: Have got me eyes on Ibadan too and am seriously asking what's Ajimobis plan for Ibadan.If he's got none all he need is to look for the old ideas or master-plan(if any) that gave Ibadan a lot of first. The city is too important to be left dragging or put on a small -scale incremental fixing,even if its Alpha-beta bring them in to help with the tax and revenue framework-more cash to fuel reorganisation A lot of Swners actually have more claim on Ibadan than Lagos.lol If they are really serious about regional integration then Ibadan has to compete with Lagos |
Re: Fayemi: Turning Ekiti Into A Huge Construction Site. by Nobody: 6:44am On May 09, 2012 |
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