Thanks Seanbell, Oloril, Honeyfave and Rocksbell, you've all given good advice and I really appreciate it and none of you has spoken out of turn. Pls don't delete your messages because someone somewhere might be going through the same thing, who knows.

Like they say Men are from Mars and Women from Venus. They have their own way of showing their feelings, very strange way I would admit. And their fix it attitude doesn't help matters cos knowing its out of your control can be very frustrating I must admit.

We've done every thing you can imagine, he has done DNA test everything is normal, all his levels are except his count , motility and morphology. The doctors were shocked cos normally with low count your DNA is always out of line. We've done ICSI and pICSI(latest addition to the ICSI family). Anyway I'll try to reach out to him.

Good evening Ladies!

I can see the thread has been really busy.

Seanbell and Zentej, my congratulations are in order. Wishing you two a stress free and healthy pregnancy.

Udoka, my cycle buddy, how dey go dey go?

Rocksqueen and rest of the crew, waving at y'll.

Oloril, is there a reason you've been told that you can only conceive by IVF.

AFM, things are really heating up at home between myself and DH. We've barely talked since last week. I'm tired of doing the whole shenanigans by myself. I keep on dreaming but the person I keep on seeing is his mum. He doesn't want to pray extra, I'm actually close to parting ways with him. I don't know what to do. Last time he said I should go and try donor, he knows its against our religion. And had the audacity to say I can take it out afterwards. I'm in limbo don't know what to do. Out of 30 days in a month, I'm waking up 20 night to do night prayer. He's done nothing, he feels no qualms. I've had to endure 6 ICSI through no fault of mine.

Pls Ladies ill be deleting this post come midnight. Pls don't copy as I might be feeling different towards him tomorrow.

I pray it's a BFP babes!!!!

Beetle

@ Seanbell or Babyblues, it's well, my heart bleeds for you. Infertility is like a disease that tears away at people's soul and emotions but I believe it's only for a short while. God will answer your prayers and turn all your sadness to joy. I do hope you get this reply.

Beetle

Omonikiba, I don't think they were , funny enough I remembered they were hanged properly.

Beetle

@ Oloril, I try to do before Fajr but sometimes after 12 midnight.

When I started praying hard, I had a dream that my MIL sent a girl to give me three tops, they were all properly hanged in bags as if you're collecting from the dry cleaners. Can someone interpret this dream for me pls.

Beetle

Welcome to the thread the newcomers.

Oloril, wow a doctor in our midst. May Allah bless you and answer your prayers. I'm a Muslim as well and I have a rota for my Tahajud prayer(night prayer) and its been part and parcel since June after my 6th BFN.

Mama Triplets, your post really cracked me up, you're so funny. But it is well.

Omonikiba, I think I must up my charity, it's so difficult to find poor people over here who are genuine, many of the people that beg are the people on drugs and alcohol and I won't use my money for that purpose. I'll try and look for one of those online charity.

Udoka, my cycle buddy: how is it going?

And for the rest if the ladies: Honeyfave, Rocksqueen, ipio, he knows my names, joesq, Flakeey, always true and the rest, Have a nice day!

.[/quote][quote author=loliporp]Hi fruitful mums,hope U̶̲̥̅̊ all r holding up fine, may we all carry our bundle of joy soon IJN. М̣̣̇Ɣ hormonal profile result is finaly out. And i don't even kw d latin here,pls М̣̣̇Ɣ sabi peeps help mi out. LH 7.9miu/ml(<15).FSH 7.0miu/ml(<10).Prolactin 946.6miu/ml(74-745).Progest 8.0ng/ml(8-87).Estradiol 108Pg/ml(50-180.

Babes, your levels are alright except for your Prolactin. Your LH is slightly higher than FSH but I suppose it's negligible as I don't think the 0.9 difference is a lot. Pls check with your Doctor.

Good Morning Ladies, Udoka seems we are cycle buddies. Mine just started this morning as well so many BM activity this month. Don't worry babes, YES WE CAN!!!!

The rest of the Ladies, Have a stress free week and pls be prayerful.

Honeyfave, I bumped into your dream thread and was shocked to find out your mum was the cause of your infertility. o ga o people are wicked o. Even your blood!!!!

Beetle

Estradiol, the primary form of estrogen, helps determine fertility potential. Normal estradiol levels range between 25 to 75 pica grams per milliliter (pg/ml) on day two or three; both lower and higher levels can indicate fertility problems. Very low estrogen levels may indicate ovarian failure or menopause, while high levels can indicate decreased ovarian reserve or a leftover cyst from the previous cycle

Aladunni, di you have a scan when you had the blood test, you might have a left over cyst from last month. if you can afford it, have the day 3 blood count again to see if its a bleep.

Aladunni, your FSH and LH levels are excellent except your Oestradiol level, you want it close to 100. I'll post later on how oestradiol affects fertility.

Take care ladies.

Beetle

@ Santangelo25, have you seen an urologist? Did they prescribe Tamoxifen? That can help increase your Testerone level. You can do a google search and combine Tamoxifen and Azoospermia.


Pls check out the link below.

http://www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=289948.0

Hope that helps.

Beetle

@ Mama Triplets, no it's meant to be roughly about 2:1. That is FSH is meant to be roughly about twice the LH level. Ladies pls add me to tonight's prayer.

I second that spiritual, that is the story of my life.

Beetle

Mama Triplets, Congrats on your husband's massive improvement. I'm so chuffed for you. Your hormone profile is so good too. Nice levels you've got there. Iya carry go with your Oga but why did your Doctor prescribe Clomid? Do you ovulate normally or you need help to because with that level you don't need help at all. But pls follow your doctor's instructions. And use ovulation sticks as well so you can time everything. Much love

@ all, this our prayer must continue cos YES WE CAN. That should be our slogan now!

Beetle

@ Mama triplets. Thanks for the prayer!!!

@ Everyone, May the Lord answer all our prayers.
May the Lord continue to meet us at our point of need according to his divine will, which is prefect and good.

This is our month people!

Beetle.

Saw this on the Fertilitfriends website.


Please find below a list of vitamins and supplement for improving your chances of conceiving for both men and women. I have collated information from hours of online research and hopefully have the majority of the latest info added here, as well as the required dosages (often in ranges as usage varies even with the experts!). Please though note that I am not a doctor and this is what I took (and it worked for me), so feel free to do more of your own research and adjust to what suits you and your partner. Please also feel free to add further info if you come across something. I have kept it simple as I often find there is just too much info to wade through, when you just want answers, but if you do google searches, you will find more info on all.

As both eggs and sperm take around 3 months to make, it is advisable to start taking most of these 3 months prior to conceiving/treatment.

General info for both:
Drink at least 6 glasses of water a day (very very important). Drink lots of green tea (for the antioxidants), but don’t drink with iron or folic acid as tannin inhibits absorption. No caffeine -even decaf coffee/tea contains some caffeine – rather stick to herbal teas (and make sure these are true herbal teas and not black tea flavoured). No alcohol. No smoking. Try and eat organic food or at least non genetically modified food. Get some exercise to improve blood flow and wellbeing. Avoid strong chemicals and try and use natural products for skin (coconut oil for moisturiser) and general household (e.g. white vinegar for cleaning). If using a lubricant – use egg white rather than store bought ones as the latter may damage sperm.

For Women, these are the most important ones, on a daily basis, take:

Zinc 15 mg.
Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy. Critical to the rapid development of the egg within the follicle especially with IVF where many eggs are developing at the same time. Helps prevent miscarriages.

Vitamin C: 500mg - 750mg.
Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy. Corrects luteal-phase-defect as it boosts progesterone and oestrogen levels. Improves pregnancy rates and helps prevents miscarriages. Too much Vitamin C can dry up cervical mucous

Vitamin E: 200 IUIs.
Take prior to conception. Improves egg quality

Vitamin D : Between 1500 IUIs - 2000 IUIs .
Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy. Ideal level for improved fertility is between 50 - 80 ng/ml of Vitamin D in your blood. Vitamin D3 is best form of the vitamin. Ensure that you also have taken Vitamin A and K to balance the Vitamin D. Improves fertility. Not more than 4000 IUIs per day. Very high levels (240000 IUIs) shown to reduce fertility. Problems arise when you have too much vitamin D and too little vitamins A and K

Vitamin B6: 10mg per day.
Take with other B vitamins to help with the absorption - especially B12. Can increase to 50mg when short term booster is needed. Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy. Zinc helps absorption. Lengthens luteal phase and helps produce progesterone. The set tolerable upper limit is 100mgs per day. Higher doses can cause nerve ending damage. B6 can disguise a B12 deficiency/anaemia, so increase your B12 if taking higher doses of B6. Higher levels of B12 (than the RDA) are safe to take. Do not take more than 100mgs unless prescribed by a doctor. Higher doses should only be taken for a short term period

Vitamin B complex – take a multivitamin with around the RDA of each in it.
Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy. Balances out hormones and encourages pregnancy. Listed here are the RDAs for females:
Vitamin B1 (thiamine) 1.1mg
Vitamin B2 (riboflavin) 1.1mg
Vitamin B3 (niacin or niacinamide) 14mg
Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid) 5mg
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine, pyridoxal, or pyridoxamine, or pyridoxine hydrochloride) 1.3mg
Vitamin B7 (biotin) 30mcg
Vitamin B9 (folic acid) 400mcg
Vitamin B12 (various cobalamins; commonly cyanocobalamin in vitamin supplements) 2.4mcg

Vitamin A: 700IUIs – 900IUIs.
Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy. Promotes better cervical fluid. Assists the follicles in maturing properly. Contains important antioxidants. Important for DNA replication. Do not exceed this dose (so if included in a multivitamin, do not take extra). Avoid the synthetic version of vitamin A - high levels (10,000 IUs + a day) have been shown to increase the chances of birth defects

Selenium: 100ug twice a day = total 200ug.
Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy. Promotes implantation, prevents miscarriage. Don't exceed dose as can be toxic
Myo-Inositol: 2g twice a day = total 4g (2000mg) per day.
Taken from 3 months prior to conception. Improves egg quality. Helps restore fertility in woman with PCOS. https://sites.google.com/site/miscarriageresearch/supplements-and-miscarriage/d-chiro-inositol

Melatonin: 3mg per day taken at night.
Take for 1-3 months prior to conception. Improves egg quality by reducing the level of an oxidizing agent called 8-OHdG. Don’t take long term.

L'Arginine: 500mg - 2000mg per day (i.e. 0.5g - 2g).
Take for 1-3 months prior to conception. Improves egg quality and uterine blood flow.

DHEA: 25mg three times per day = total 75mg.
Start on lower doses and build up. Start taking at least 3 months prior to conception (I found 6 months better). Stop at pregnancy (or EC in IVF). Improves egg quality. Usually for older ladies (40yrs+) with diminished ovarian reserves

Iron: 14mg.
Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy. Take with Vitamin C. Tannin inhibits the absorption, so don't take with drinks that contain tannin e.g. green tea. A deficiency can reduce fertility by 50%

Folic acid (= Vitamin B9): 400 micrograms (0.4 milligrams) twice a day = total 800ug.
Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy. Tannin inhibits the absorption, so don't take with drinks that contain tannin e.g. green tea. Folic acid, sometimes called folate, is a B vitamin (B9) found mostly in leafy green vegetables like kale and spinach, orange juice, and enriched grains. Taken prior to conception and during early pregnancy reduces the risk of a serious neural tube defect in the baby by up to 70%. May increase pregnancy rates and prevent miscarriages. Can take up to 4000 micrograms per day prescribed if family history of neural defects

Fish oil (Omega Oil/essential fatty acids): 1g - 5g per day (i.e. about 200mg - 1000mg).
Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy. Can take some flax seed and some fish oil tablets. Anti-inflammatory. Improves blood flow to uterus. Reduction of NK cell activity (take 5g dosage for this). Use body only fish oil as liver may contain mercury (i.e. not cod liver oil). Also Cod liver oil has too much vitamin A in it, so avoid. Be careful not to take too much if on blood thinners.

Evening Primrose Oil: 1000mg per day for first 14 days of cycle. Stop taking at ovulation up until next menstruation.
Stop at pregnancy. Increases quality and quantity of cervical mucus. Anti-inflammatory reduces narrowing of blood vessels & promotes blood flow. Can bring on uterine contractions and thus the start of your menstrual cycle

Co Q10/ Co Enzyme Q10: 200mg - 600mg.
Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy - but scale down to maximum 200mg dose on falling pregnant. (Costco has best price). Improving egg quality because of its powerful effect on regenerating the mitochondria - the tiny energy factories of each cell - known to be a factor in age-related infertility. Reduces the risk of pre eclampsia.

Aspirin: 75mg.
Take prior to conception and throughout pregnancy but stop at least 24 hours before giving birth (need the clotting factor). Anti-inflammatory. Stops minute blood clots forming in the uterus (which could starve embryo of oxygen).

Manganese – take RDA, as part of a multivitamin
Deficiency may lead to defective ovulation. Take with Vitamin C (but note – it competes with iron for absorption)

Magnesium- take RDA, as part of a multivitamin
Needed to help the pituitary and ovaries produce the high levels of oestrogen and progesterone needed to secure pregnancy until placenta takes over.

Other supplements which could be taken:
Wheatgrass – Whatever the dosage is on the tin
Full of antioxidants. Mostly anecdotal evidence as to the effect on fertility.

N-Acetyl Cysteine: 1.2g per day.
For woman with PCOS

D-Chiro-Inositol: 600mg
Take from 2 months prior to conception. For woman with PCOS - restores ovulation and helps with other aspects of the syndrome

Alpha-Lipolic Acid: 600mg twice a day = 1200mg total
For woman with PCOS

Bee Propolis: 500mg
Extremely anti-inflammatory therefore excellent for endometriosis sufferers

Royal Jelly: 500mg three times a day = 1500mg
Improves egg quality although mostly anecdotal evidence

Cough medicine: Two teaspoons (200mg) three times per day, taken orally. Five days before and day of ovulation (6 days total)Guaifenesin must be the only active ingredient e.g. Robitussin brand. Loosens the cervical mucus helping sperm on their journey. Counteracts negative Clomid effects outlined here. Clomid associated with less cervical fluid, thinner uterine lining and development of hostile mucus. If taking Clomid, wait until day after last Clomid pill.

Vitex (Chaste berry): 35mg
Take for first 14 days of cycle in morning. Normalises your menstruation cycle. Restarts periods which have stopped. Lengthens luteal phase defects. Lowers high prolactin levels. If you have a regular cycle do not take as it may mess up the cycle. Don't take with Clomid - or any drug like Clomid - they counter act each other.

Human growth hormone: 4mg per day
From day 21 of previous cycle to day of pregnancy test. May help poor responders improve. Varying success has been reported. Given as part of IVF protocol - so prescribed and monitored is advised


For Men, these are the most important ones, on a daily basis, take:
Vary dosages according to severity of semen issues. For higher doses, take half morning and half evening. Remember it takes 3 months to make semen

Zinc: 15mg -50mg
Higher sperm count. If you take higher levels of zinc for more than a few weeks, add 1-3mg copper to prevent copper deficiency

Vitamin C: 200mg - 1000mg
Less clumping of sperm. Higher quantity (up to 140%) and better quality sperm

Vitamin E: 400 IUIs -800 IUIs.
Improves semen quality and motility by up to 2.5 times

Vitamin D: Between 600 IUI - 1000 IUI
Vitamin D3 is best form of the vitamin. Ensure that you also have taken Vitamin A and K (or have sufficient of these) to balance the Vitamin D. Improves sperm mobility and morphology. Not more than 4000 IUIs per day should be taken. Problems arise when you have too much vitamin D and too little vitamins A and K

Vitamin B Complex: 1 per day - around the RDA for each component.

Vitamin B12: 10-1000mcg
Helps balance testosterone & LH/FSH secretions. Higher quantity (one study up from 20 to 100 million/ml on 1000mcg dose)

L'Arginine: 200mg - 1000mg per day
A natural Viagra - improves erectile function, Increases quantity of sperm (by up to 250%). Improves sperm motility & health. Avoid if you have herpes as can promote an outbreak

Co Q10/ Co Enzyme Q10: 30mg-300mg
Improves sperm motility

Pyconogenol: 25mg-200mg
Improves sperm morphology by up to 40%

Selenium: 70mcg-200mcg
Can double sperm count. Improves quality of sperm. Toxic in high doses so stick to max 200mcg

L-Carnitine: 1g - 3g per day
Improves sperm count. Improves sperm motility

Vitamin A (take as part of a multivitamin) - Take RDA
Improves sperm production

Omega Oil/essential fatty acids: 1g - 7g per day (i.e. approximately 200mg - 1200mg )
Take a mix of flax seed oil and fish oil. Improves sperm count. Use body only fish oil as liver may contain mercury (i.e. not cod liver oil). Also Cod liver oil has too much vitamin A in it. Be careful not to take too much if on blood thinners.

Good luck everybody!!!

@ Believer84, Congratulations on your pregnancy. Wish you a stress free pregnancy. Much love!

Beetle

MSTIA, Congratulations on your pregnancy. Wishing you a stress free pregnancy. Much love.

Beetle

Happy Saturday Ladies!

Regarding PCOS with some ladies it's quite obvious because you will have Polycystic ovaries, irregular cycle, type 2 diabetes, gestational diabetes, obesity and many more obvious symptoms.

Then there's the PCO without the Polycystic ovaries, they tend to have regular cycle and not necessarily have all the symptoms PCOS patient tend to have.

I don't have a Polycystic ovary but I do tend to produce a lot of eggs during IVF the Highest I've produced in one cycle was 28 so I had this test called PA1 done in the states I tested positive- heterozygous mutation because my Dad has diabetes so it did show on the test result that I'm a carrier so the doctor prescribed 1500mg Metformin bearing in mind that this would make me produce better quality eggs as opposed to producing a lot. My sisters, I almost died so reduced dosage to 1000mg but now I'm on 500mg. To be honest before I started my period was regular so the only sign I had was producing a lot of eggs. I hope this helps and the test was done as a result of having strong immunes.


Beetle

Ominokiba, the reason your pee turns yellow is because you're getting rid of the excess. Your body uses what it needs and remember Vitamin B is water soluble hence the reason. Hope it helps.

I'm gearing up for our 7th treatment even though I'm so broke. I'm praying for a natural pregnancy because I can't take the pain any more.

Udoka, ask your doctor if you can get Prednisolone this will help your immunes a lot esp if you get sore throat around ovulation or when you test but ask to be put on low dose 5mg around ovulation. I think you might have Immune issue.

Beetle!

@loliporp, what was the dosage of Metformin? Did the Dr suggest you reduce the dosage?

If you have PCOS, you need to be on Metformin.

Omonikoba, is there a reason you want to do progesterone on day 19? It needs to be done 7-10 days after you've ovulated. It's called day 21 progesterone test because its assumed that women ovulate on day 14 hence done 7 days afterwards. All your hormone test need to be done day 1-3.

Regarding your hubby, he needs to take the following Wellman conception, he needs to be on 1000mg Vitamin C, 1000mg Vitamin E as he has low sperm, these two helps motility and morphology.

I wonder why Naija men can be very stubborn, my husband is stubborn, sometimes I wish I was the one with the problem. I wouldn't mind taking a cocktail of drugs just to have a baby.

Anyways ladies, I hope you're all doing good and pls let the prayers continue!!!!!! Who else can give us children at the end of the end?

Beetle- Trying to conceive - 61/2 yrs.

Many thanks sweet ladies.

Madam L and Mrs Mrs Chima, pls open a thread on Adoption or other options to ICSI/IVF. Pls don't derail this thread. Thanks for the advice. I'm sure people have been moved by your sisters story and should start their adoption process ASAP.

Walks out of the thread and get on the phone to my local council.

Beetle!

And what point are you trying to make Madam L, so many insensitive people in this world.

I'm out!!!!!!!!!

Who is beating their chest about being infertile, isn't that the reason the whole thread was created in the first place, so we can support one another. I beg you to try and post whatever you posted on fertilityfriends.co.uk or any other infertility forum. I'm quite sure you won't but because you're a black fool you think you can hijack this thread with your wicked words. You're very wicked and insensitive.

Anyway peeps this is so inspirational, thought i should share...

I Will Be A Wonderful Mother

There are women who become mothers without effort,
without thought,
without patience or loss,
and though they are good mothers and love their children,
I know that I will be better.

I will be better not because of genetics or money or because I have read more books,
but because I have struggled and toiled for this child.

I have longed and waited.

I have cried and prayed.

I have endured and planned over and over again.

Like most things in life, the people who truly have appreciation are those who have struggled to attain their dreams.

I will notice everything about my child.

I will take time to watch my child sleep, explore, and discover.

I will marvel at this miracle every day for the rest of my life.

I will be happy when I wake in the middle of the night to the sound of my child, knowing that I can comfort, hold, and feed him and that I am not waking to take another temperature, pop another pill, take another shot or cry tears of a broken dream.

My dream will be crying for me.

I count myself lucky in this sense; that God has given me this insight, this special vision with which I will look upon my child.

Whether I parent a child I actually give birth to or a child that God leads me to, I will not be careless with my love.

I will be a better mother for all that I have endured.

I am a better wife, a better aunt, a better daughter, neighbor, friend, and sister because I have known pain.

I know disillusionment, as I have been betrayed by my own body. I have been tried by fire and hell that many never face, yet given time, I stood tall.

I have prevailed.

I have succeeded.

I have won.

So now, when others hurt around me, I do not run from their pain in order to save myself discomfort.

I see it, mourn it, and join them in theirs.

I listen.

And even though I cannot make it better, I can make it less lonely.

I have learned the immense power of another hand holding tight to mine, of other eyes that moisten as they learn to accept the harsh truth when life is beyond hard.

I have learned a compassion that only comes by walking in those shoes.

I have learned to appreciate life.

10 Things You Should Not Say to a Friend Experiencing Infertility
1. Pregnant yet? If your friend is pregnant, she'll tell you when she's ready. Don't keep asking her how it's going. Let her tell you in her own time.
2. It could be worse. To a couple who wants children, it really can't be worse.
3. Haven't you done enough? It is up to your friend to determine when enough is enough.
4. Focus on the other parts of your life. This is really tough for a woman with infertility problems to do. For some women, her desire for a child becomes her life.
5. Think of all the fun things you can do if you don't have children. If the couple didn't want children, they would not be going to the trouble they are to have them.
6. How much is this costing you? This is none of your business!
7. Are you sure you chose the best doctor? Don't question your friend's medical choice unless she asks your opinion.
8. Just relax. Infertility is a medical condition, not a psychological one.
9. You can always adopt. The couple already knows this. They are going through the expense and trouble of infertility treatments because that is the path they have chosen. At some point they may consider adoption, but not now.
10. When my friend couldn't get pregnant... Your friend doesn't need to hear what worked for other people. Her efforts to conceive are hers alone.

Mrs Chima (ITK) pls read no 9 and digest it slowly. It should probably serve as your dinner tonight

Anyway peeps this is so inspirational, thought i would share...

I Will Be A Wonderful Mother

There are women who become mothers without effort,
without thought,
without patience or loss,
and though they are good mothers and love their children,
I know that I will be better.

I will be better not because of genetics or money or because I have read more books,
but because I have struggled and toiled for this child.

I have longed and waited.

I have cried and prayed.

I have endured and planned over and over again.

Like most things in life, the people who truly have appreciation are those who have struggled to attain their dreams.

I will notice everything about my child.

I will take time to watch my child sleep, explore, and discover.

I will marvel at this miracle every day for the rest of my life.

I will be happy when I wake in the middle of the night to the sound of my child, knowing that I can comfort, hold, and feed him and that I am not waking to take another temperature, pop another pill, take another shot or cry tears of a broken dream.

My dream will be crying for me.

I count myself lucky in this sense; that God has given me this insight, this special vision with which I will look upon my child.

Whether I parent a child I actually give birth to or a child that God leads me to, I will not be careless with my love.

I will be a better mother for all that I have endured.

I am a better wife, a better aunt, a better daughter, neighbor, friend, and sister because I have known pain.

I know disillusionment, as I have been betrayed by my own body. I have been tried by fire and hell that many never face, yet given time, I stood tall.

I have prevailed.

I have succeeded.

I have won.

So now, when others hurt around me, I do not run from their pain in order to save myself discomfort.

I see it, mourn it, and join them in theirs.

I listen.

And even though I cannot make it better, I can make it less lonely.

I have learned the immense power of another hand holding tight to mine, of other eyes that moisten as they learn to accept the harsh truth when life is beyond hard.

I have learned a compassion that only comes by walking in those shoes.

I have learned to appreciate life.

Yes, I will be a wonderful mother.
-Author Unknown

Mrs Chima,

You make me laugh!!! You're so funny. Will you go round to a disabled person saying not everyone is meant to see/walk /talk or do whatever they cannot do. You're so insensitive, you don't go round posting on a TTC thread about stuff like that. It's up to the individual/couple to do whatever is best suited to them. if couples want to adopt then it's their choice not your place to tell them. Pls keep your silly opinion to yourself.

You can imagine this silly woman going to a couple who just lost their child and saying - not everyone is meant to have a child in her squeaky voice. Are you God? I hate it when people think they know a lot and sit on their high horse because they think they have it all and she is now using the reality card.

This is painful, going through different treatment only to find out your man knew all the while he was on pills. Aye ma nika o( Some people can be very wicked).This is so sad because one treatment = 2/3 months set back. The numerous appointments to gear you up for treatment, the menopausal drugs, the injection every night, the numerous scans by the senior doctor with a junior doctor training by the side, the prodding by different doctors, the EC( the almighty anaesthetic), then the daily phone calls by the amazing embryologist ready to give the news of how many fertilised - the 2 cell, compact morula, blastocyst and all that news, the ET( the full bladder discomfort)and then the amazing two week wait and the tears and joy afterwards depending on the result of the test. The numerous BFNs before achieving a BFP and you're saying he knew he couldn't father a child because he was on the pills. Babes you're amazing!! I don't know what I'd do. I'll be shattered- in pieces and I'd be looking for a big shot lawyer because he'd be dead.

Infertility has made me stronger and I'm sure it's done the same to you babes. Look in the mirror and say to yourself that you're a strong woman and that this is your final BFN( set back). You've gone through the mills babes if you've gone through the above. What did you start doing after your last BFN? I'm sure you did the following, I usually do this anyways: start planning another treatment, looking at options available to you. Thinking about possibly changing doctors. Babes now start thinking about how you can achieve that eluded BFP(moving on)

YOU CAN DO IT!! YES YOU CAN!

In between psm 23, just curious you mentioned betrayal. Did you guys ever go for counselling during the course of your treatment?
How did he feel with the last result?
Did his betrayal stem from the result?
These are the many questions going through my mind.
You don't have to answer, just things to think about.

Psm23, I don't normally post on here, I didnt know you guys were on the edge of a divorce. Infertility has caused a lot of drama in people's lives and it's a struggle but babes you have to be strong. The same thing that happened to your DH also happened to us in our 6th treatment. Babes, It's been difficult, the money, the time and everything you put into it.

Ok back to your divorce, how do you cope with it? Babes if I knew I would be rich but I pray you get the strength from within. There are going to be a lot of emotions involved. You're going to be on a different high everyday but with time it gets easier, my experience of broken relationship is what I've penned down.