Afrocynic, to what extent do we evolve our "norms"? To the point murderers are now excused as having no control over their actions?

Othelo calm down . . . you're just making silly noise.

0thello:

What the f**k has the  US constitution got to do with the topic at hand?

Brainless idiot, its because the MAIN GOAL of the homosexual lobby in the US want to redefine laws both at the constitutional federal and state levels to include homosexuality under the banner of marriage. Certainly u've not been listening to the news. Both presidential candidates faced this question during the last campaign.

0thello:

The very fact you resorted to such a monumental failure of an argument doesn't even constitute as propaganda but idiocy at the highest levels of reasoning.

Ok we get it, once we disagree with homosexuality we are now idiots abi? so much for "tolerance".

0thello:

I disagree that there is sanctity in marriage

Of course since your dearly beloved homosexual unions dont fall under the banner of "marriage" it no longer has sanctity eh? Talk of sour grapes.

0thello:

however you're free to have whatever antiquated opinion you want on the subject.

We get the drift you idiots. Anyone who still hangs unto the notion of abstinence, anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality is antiquated and uncivilized. Lucabrasi said it best . . . these positions used to be standard less than 30yrs ago. Very soon pedophilia will become accepted, afterall its a sexual orientation that we are born with no?

0thello:

I'm not struggling to force homosexual unions under the same banner

That is EXACTLY what the battle on Prop 8 was and is about. Trying to use the courts to change the constitution.

0thello:

I just don't DENY the rights of others because I have some stupid religious claim to up hold.

no one has denied you the right to live, eat, have a home, get a job, vote, be voted for, have children, have civil unions . . . so what rights have been denied you? The "right" to redefine marriage?

0thello:

Why? Because I'm a grown man with more moral fibre than you.

If you had moral fibre you'd be fighting to get Warren Jeffs out of prison but since he's only a common pedophile you dont care huh?

lucabrasi:

once upon a time,we didnt believe in GOD nd they told us we r barbarians,savages e.t.c now that we believe in GOD and according to the lords word these things are sins we are being likened to  savages from the middle ages

Excellent point bro! When we didnt believe the bible they called us uncivilized, now we wont accept homosexuality we are still uncivilized?  

0thello:

LMFAO Marriage is nothing ore than a societal contract, it has NOTHING to do with gender. The skies don't part and the seas don't split, there is no sanctity in marriage so this romancing of it is one bad joke after another. You can have a public display, ceremony, ritual or whatever but apart from that marriage is only a societal contract that has its share of benefits and drawbacks. Why would you want to deny other people of that same ability to form such social contracts?

It's highly ironic that anybody here would be so opposed to the freedom and rights of other people whom aren't causing harm to anybody else.

una seem am now? My dear, marriage, when it was FIRST defined in the US constitution was about ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN so your notion that it has nothing to do with gender is baseless propaganda.
There IS sanctity in marriage . . . if it wasnt you wont be struggling to force homosexual unions under the banner of marriage. Why cant you come up with your own social contract? Why take marriage too?

bawomolo:

be honest. you are CEO of a company, would you hire homosexuals if you had knowledge of their sexuality. Would you be on friendly terms with an homosexual family member of yours?

YES! As long as you keep your homosexuality behind your bedroom doors.

0thello:

The idea that a person can be "lured" to being gay is incredibly retarded.

The idea that you choose to be gay or straight is also retarded.

If you choose to be gay or choose to be straight does that mean we're born bisexual by default?

LoL I don't know what education in psychology, sociology and biology some people have had here but it is obvious that the level of education is substandard. Homosexuality at the moment is a really tough case, since people CAN be born as trans-gender, meaning they can literally have the brain functionality of the opposite sex.

the problem is we have substituted mindless psychology for facts. The LIE that you can be born gay has absolutely no basis in facts . . . and i stand corrected on that.

RichyBlacK:

I believe homosexuality is a wrong choice, however, I also believe that their fundamental human, legal and civil rights must be protected!

they are already protected. Are we stoning them or refusing them jobs on grounds of sexual orientation?

0thello:

Hmm far too much religious fervour, what is Nigeria, a democracy or a theocracy? Keep your religious views out of the public forum (in terms of politics).

Welcome to the forum but this is not about instituting a theocracy. Is it theocratic to argue against pedophilia?

Badriyyah:

Did they force you to date them??

No but changing the law to accomodate homosexuals will significantly alter life as we know it today. Imagine being a conservative christian or muslim working in your townhall and being forced to conduct homosexual weddings?
Imagine marriage being redefined as the union between any two people?
Imagine cohabiting couples also demanding similar benefits and forcing the govt to alter marriage to include them too?
Imagine homosexuals fighting for "rights" while they were complicit in sending Warren Jeffs to jail?

oyb:

hmm. . .how can someone force his deviant orientation on me?

You dont live in the US so you wont understand.

I sincerely think a lot of people are taking this badly because they have not been "favourably" nominated.

There is no avoiding one clear fact - there are cliques here and you only get nominated to "good" awards if you are chums with members of the powerful cliques. It must be the reason a lot of people are feeling bad about it.
But heck its all fun, if you're not nominated its not the end of the world abi . . . its just the internet. Dont give urself heart attack.

You can always start your own awards.

Richy you are making a mistake. No one has argued to make homosexuals subhuman, rather we are fighting against those who would force their deviant sexual orientations on the rest of us by the weight of law.

Homosexuals no longer seem to be satisfied with simply getting on with life, they now want us to rewrite the constitution to redefine marriage, extend marriage benefits to just about any cohabiting couple and force churches (at least in the west) to conduct services that are against their own beliefs.

bawomolo:

have you been to the Chinese countryside? There are regular protests by Chinese peasants and minorities (including muslims you love to hate) against China's closed society.  South Korea is relatively free and more westernized than African countries.  What's so special about Russia? Western Europe is better than Eastern Europe because of it's open culture.

Did you say Chinese "countryside"? yeah that's the only place you can "protest" and hide. Try protesting in shanghai.
BBC and google are strictly regulated in China . . . sure plenty of freedom there.
South Korea is not as free as you think.
Russia is one of the world's super powers and is very developed contrary to the nonsense we hear from the western press.

AfroCynic:

how many 12 year olds want to hump adults? you think a 12 yr old is the one that hits on his teachers or that creepy uncle?

You dont seem to have met many 12 yr olds.

Badriyyah:

LoL, The idea that a 12 year old is mature enough to consent sex makes me laugh. Most of these kids are just discovering their sexuality, hormones are raging, etc. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE MATURE ENOUGH That is the excuse paedophiles make.

We are not saying that you shld jump into bed with a 12 yr old . . . the argument is that because a few people start crying over an issue does not make it right.

your surname must be foreign for you to like it so much.

bawomolo:

sex between teens is different from sex between a teen and an adult. The adult is expected to be MATURED ENOUGH to avoid such sexual contact.

and you think the 12 yr old isnt mature enough to consent to such contact?

bawomolo:

Europe is the developed society it is due to tolerance. Freedom of expression and Freedom of though is what has turned Europe to what it is today. Homosexuality is WRONG to you? fine just don't expect everyone to agree with you.

where is the freedom of expression in China, Russia, South Korea and co? Are they under-developed?

AfroCynic:

What?? 'Goat language' what the hell are you talking about?

you heard me right . . . until you can prove to me that the animal did not wilfully consent to engage in sex with a human . . . bestiality is on the same platform as homosexuality.

AfroCynic:

As for your 10 and 12yr olds, because sex is not just about the physical, (at least this is what I believe) it has emotional and sometimes physical repercussion that CHILDREN cannot deal with, which is why I am only concerned about [b]CONSENTING ADULTS[/B]

And who told you that children cannot deal with emotional and physical repercussions of sex? Have you sampled EVERY 12 yr old out there and proved that they are mentally incapable of handling complex emotional issues?

Who told you that homosexuals (by virtue of being older) are mentally more capable that 5yr olds?

oyb:


daaamnnnnn!!!!


na wa o. . . .

this sounds extremely weird coming from THIS poster. . .

i must keep this link for future reference. . .

dont DELIBERATELY (for malicious purposes) get me wrong here. I did not imply that sex with anyone below the age of 18 is right. It was used in form of a counter argument.

AfroCynic:

Only on NL will someone make the dubious claim that an 11yr is an adult, wow. Where in the industrialised world will this argument hold water, when I was eleven, I barely knew anything, much less consenting to sex. I think you are are being silly and you know it.

40 yrs ago in that same industrialised world, homosexuality was an apalling crime.
50 yrs ago in that same industrialised world, inter racial marriages was a felony.
60 yrs ago in that same industrialised world, polygamy was and STILL remains a federal crime.

So just exactly what is your point?

AfroCynic:

Bloody hell, how hard is for you grasp that, beastiality is not the same thing, the goat does not get a choice, in paedophilia, the child is ABUSED[/B] how can you compare this with two people of the same gender who [b]willingly want to be together, how is that even comparable, e gba mi!

I am not sure if you mean multiple marriages or polygamy but in any case, so long as all the adults involved are aware and make that choice, i certainly do not have a problem with it.

Dont bloody hell me there.  

1. In bestiality who told you the goat doesnt get a choice? Is it because you dont understand goat language? How do you know the goat did not wilfully partake in the act after it was initiated?

2. In pedophilia the child is NOT necessarily abused. That is the cheap excuse you guys use all the time. We now know of 9 yr old boys and girls who WILFULLY partake in sex and even get pregnant! Why shld a 10yr old boy be denied the "right" to have sex with his 12 yr old gf if they so wish?

3. Polygamy in the US is against the law . . . Mormons are constantly persecuted for this and YET homosexuals cry about "rights"?

Tayo-D:

@all,

I am amazed by the sheer hypocrisy and self-righteousness you all have expressed so far. Can anyone here tell me if they do not know anyone within their extended family or circle of friends who got knocked up before marriage?

This is a tragic family issue that should transcend political posturings!

Then the hypocrisy is squarely that of the Palins. They told us they were considering marriage in the summer, they told us both were a happy, responsible couple . . . but now we know it was simply an act, Palin dragged Levy around to save face. The fact that both had "mutually" agreed "long ago" to end the relationship is enough proof that it was had been a stage act all along.

AfroCynic:

@Bawomolo, does this not prove that someone people have a basic comprehension problem. How hard is it to grasp the concept of [b]CONSENTING ADULTS[/B].

Why do you people keep compraing things are not remotely comparable in order to bolster your weak arguments?

I think your own "argument" (if we can be charitable enough to call it that) is the weak one. If homosexuals deserve rights then why criminalise bestiality, pedophilia and multiple marriages?

bawomolo:

Is an 11 yr old considered an ADULT?

The definition of "adult" is subject to bias. As long as a 9yr old girl can get pregnant and deliver a healthy baby, i accept an 11 yr old is an adult and HAS A RIGHT to consent to sex.

You cant spin try to spin this away . . .

tpia:

does this cover regular brethren or is it only when the upper echelon brethren are being accused, that these scriptures apply?

who cares about regular brethren?

bawomolo:

can a goat or horse consent to having sex with an human?

So if an 11 yr old consents to having sex with an adult we shld excuse it and protect such rights?

Gay people have rights but should not force those rights on the vast majority who disaprove of depravity in any form.

At this rate bestiality will become a "right" we must protect by force of law. If you wish to sleep with someone of the same sex, you are free to do so in the privacy of your house. I also have a right to not be insulted by your sexual orientation.

Tonye-t is right, many people here crying "dump his ass" have never experienced REAL LOVE before . . . its VERY HARD to just lose overnight. No matter how the relationship with his ex ended, there is still something about her that he still cherishes and you dont measure up to.
There is a reason communication lines are important in a relationship, pour ur heart out to him and let him do same to you. It may be you need to work just that bit harder to be the best woman he's ever been with.

Walking away is the easy way out, it would simply reinforce the belief that he would have been better off with his ex anyway.