It is difficult to return home because

1) You are home, so there's nowhere to return to.

2) You've made where you live your home, so there's nowhere to return to.

3) Your heart is where you are, so there's nowhere to return to.

and then on the practical side of things,

1) You enjoy where you live
2) It affords you opportunities which your erstwhile home did not
3) You want to achieve your dreams without dying in the process
4) You want your children to have a better life than you did; a life that you can afford to give without losing yours in the process.
5) You've lived away from your erstwhile home for so long that you can't see yourself adapting back to it
6) Your erstwhile home doesn't offer you what YOU would like it to

Ultimately, your home is where your heart is and if you're home, then there's no home to return to.

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Kanayo. O. Kanayo,
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Desmond Elliot,
Sam Dede,
Chika Ike,
Segun Arinze,
Fred Amata,
Shola Shobowale,
Jide Kosoko,
Adebayo Salami aka Oga Bello,
Izu Ojukwu (Director)
Kinglsey Ogoro (Director)
Dakore Egbuson,
Stephanie Okereke,
Ejike Asiegbu,
Ibinabo Fibresima,
Jeta Amata,
Tchidi Chikere,
Emem Isong,
Don Pedro Obaseki,
Amaka Igwe,
Tunde Kelani,
'Lanre Falana,
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trini_girl (f)
shahan (f)
4get_me (m)

Hi you all!
I have been quite busy with some other things. But I will have to draw this topic to its end even though I know you have taken your stand on what you want to belief but I advise you keep your mind open and allow God to lead you as you study the scripture and live the life Jesus called us to live.There is God; the father (almighty God), God; the Son (Jesus Christ) and God; the Holy Spirit.
If you believe in the above, you will then understand that God is a family name (surname/last name) for the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ is God; the Son and virgin Mary is the mother of God, the son.

Jesus Christ is God and hence Mary is the mother of God.

Am not arguing with you but am only letting you know the truth I have known about the mediatrix power of Mary in ensuring that all her children (christians) are not lost but have grace enormous to follow the teachings of her son, Jesus Christ and overcome the world.

Honor her, she is the mother of God.

Regards.

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To be honest with you, I can't even be bothered to reply to this view of mary because I've been in the Roman Catholic Church and I know how dogmatic they can be on this issue of Mary as some sort of mediator etc etc but my question is as per the highlighted section. Why is it that when people want to sound 'holy' or convince you on spiritual matters, rather than debate the point they ask you to 'keep an open mind and allow God to lead you' as if they have knowledge of God's leadership in your life.

Let God be true and every man a liar; the scriptures has said it all- The Way, The Truth and The Life - JESUS! The only way to the Father. If other people want to waste time rigmaroling before they approach their Father who has made the way to Him clear, then let them be. God is the judge of all earth, He will do right; by them that believe Mary is 'his' mother and by us all.

One love and God bless

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babyosisi:

Amen.
Hi Enugu you always have some great contributions,I love reading from you but you're scarce to find
Bless you.

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Nwannem,

I dey o! But I'm trying to be 'swift to hear and slow to speak'  I have been in the position of pontification and I've also been in the position of seeing it happen and all my pontification flew out of the window! I have seen men and women of God pontificate and fall into the same sin they preached against!!!

It's always easy to sit on a high chair and point out one's holiness but when trials and tribulations come, that is when we will know who really is a vessel of honour.

I don't know if you read christian fiction but that's what ministers to me more than study books; if you do, I recommend RESCUED by Tommy Bevere and Matthew Olsen. I read it last night and I tell you, I am reviewing my walk with God.

Again, let he that thinkest he standeth take heed lest he fall. For those who consider themselves holy, the Lord knoweth them that are His; may we continue to operate in His favour and like David seek after His heart. Check out the Pharisee who gave tithes etc and the sinner who couldn't even lift his eyes to God; who was most forgiven?

Nne nwannem, continually renew and review your relationship with the Most High and do not become complacent in your faith. Hapu ndi holy nweje a; so Chukwu ma ndi bu ndi nkeya.

Otito dili Chukwu

goodguy:

If the marriage had God's hand in it in the first place, then there's nothing like divorce in God's dictionary, as far as that marriage is concerned. Unless, of course, "death do you part".

My point precisely!!!


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femi4love:

All the contributions are really interesting in this matter. I have a case at hand that I need you guys' views on.

A teenage friend of mine got married 14 years ago to a wonderful lady. Unfortunately he was very unfaithful and was sleeping with whatever he could (including attempts on wife's sister and neighbour's housemaid). Eventually, he got his old girlfriend pregnant, but his wife still without a child. They are now separated for about 5 years and my friend is with the other lady. They are both professing Christians. They are not divorced yet, but there's no end in sight for there problem. The woman wants a life. She is [b][/b]VERY miserable. She was the bread winner and most of the things she ever worked for are now being used by the other lady.

Does she continue like this until she dies? DON'T OVER "SPIRITUALISE" PLEASE. Thank you

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My fellow 'lander,

Leave them there let them be pontificating! It's very easy when you are on the outside with no experience whatsoever, arguing 'spiri'' 'spiri'. Let them go to my old church and see how many 'spiri-jim-jim' brethren who married under pressure/manipulation of pastor always preaching on marriage and see how many have also divorced, separated, gone with others, under the same volcanic pressure!

I just pray that none of you find yourselves in a position where 'you that thinkest you stand, ' It may not necessarily be marriage; it may be other issues. Just remember, it is only by the grace of God not by your ability to expound and expose scripture.

If King David, 'a man after Jehovah's heart could fall, then,

Ka Chineke mezie okwu

Akolawole:

What a topic!

Where can i start?

Though very hard to take but as a Christian, God's choice is the best.

You just leave everything to God.

Let me give you an example of one of my best friend.

In 1992, while in higher institution, my friend, Now a full-time Pastor(then a student Pastor) told me he will be busy in 3 days to hear from God, revelations about his future wife. On the 4th day, he woke me up, telling me the name of the Lady,the age,the year they will meet and that he will meet the lady Pure.
I know this guy live a holy life but i still have a doubt.
During those years, all these sisters were showing some signs but he remain who he is.
In 1998, we were together in Ibadan when this lady came with another Sister and the rest is history.

As a Christian, i believe we let God's will prevail.

It shouldnt be a matter of i have 3 boyfriends, God choose one out of them. It is wrong.

@ Akolawole,

Good for him; however God speaks to people differently. I also know of the same situation where the brother waited only to come out and propose to a married woman!!!

God knows how best to speak to us as individuals and how best we will hear Him. Not everyone will get that 'My daughter, my daughter, this art thine spouse' business.

So fellow 'landers, let God lead you the same way He leads you in other things. Some people may fall in love first, others may not. Some may 'hear', others will 'perceive'. Just recognise the voice of your Master and follow it. His blessings maketh rich and addeth no sorrow!

[i]quote author=goodguy link=topic=3953.msg815515#msg815515 date=1168692594]
They can stop living together, but should not divorce.

One may argue that seperation is the same thing as divorce, but Deut 24, and indeed, Jesus' reference in Matt 5:31 shows that divorce involves some processes (writing a bill of divorce and all that), as opposed to seperation, which may even be consentual without the need for any papers.  Actually, it should be consentual, but if the husband disagrees, probably due to the pleasure he gains from bashing and bruising his wife, the matter should be resolved in the court.  Even then, the issue of divorce should not come up.  I believe no lawyer has any right to divorce people (especially if he's a Christian), because Jesus said, ". . . let no man put asunder".

So when they're seperated, they are still husband and wife, legally, spiritually, and otherwise, but are not just living together.

An example is that of Chris Okotie and his wife.  They are not divorced, but they do not live together anymore, though they still get in touch with each very often.

Perhaps, this process may make the man come back to his senses as time goes on, and eventually, they can start living together peacefully once more as man and wife.

This is just what I think.  Anyone with something better??
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my brother, goodguy,

I was in an abusive relationship as a young christian, I LEFT!!!! God does not hate me. I am NOT GOING BACK!!! Just hope no member of your family is in a 'christian' situation where he/she and child/ren are being abused serially.

We as christians fool ourselves that so long as we are married in church or under a man/woman of God, then it is God that joined us together. Lies, O! lies. Sometimes, we join ourselves together and hope that God will hold it togeter for us. It wouldn't work.

When God actually joins you, peace, love and harmony will reign; when He doesn't it wouldn't work!!! If you like stay there and be separated and let your life pass you by. Me, I'm not that holy. I'm gone! I might have made a mistake in allowing the pressure of being 'un-married' push me into the wrong decision but I'm sure as day and night not going to remain in it for my family to come and carry my corpse and that of my child. Ig'asikwa!!!

You holy ones can be separated till Jesus comes; God bless your efforts

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This is interesting. do you guys believe that there is a difference between loving someoone and being IN LOVE? I think you can marry someone that is a good christian, you love him,you understand one another and you want the same things out of life is cool. Like for example,if your are at the age,or time in your life you really want to do that christian thing and start a family and your close friend who you love asks for your hand,if you are ready and you guys want the same thing in life,why not get married.[/b]You already know what you are getting,if you are friends that means you already know each other in and out so there is no secrets,your friendshep makes you happy and you see this person a respectable,it can work.
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Unfortunately, [b]TaniCarr, I'll have to disagree with you on this one. Marriage is not about the things you listed which I've highlighted. It's about what God is saying to you about your future. If it so happens to be that friend, all well and good; that's not to say that you cannot marry your friend but the extra factor that keeps a marriage going is the God factor. If it's the God factor that convinces you about this friend then perfect!.

Funnily enough I was discussing this same issue this morning and the consensus was that being compatible was not enough, there has to be that extra factor or else when the trials and tribulations of life come knocking, the marriage falls apart.

By all means, it's great to marry someone who you already know and 'jell' with but let God be the ultimate 'decider'

Because some believe it's difficult to maintain/style but I totally disagree,

Natural hair is the best!!! Once you decide to keep it, all you need do is thing of imaginative ways of taking care of it. I've had natural hair for the past 3years now and I'm so glad. It's easy to maintain; you can treat it yourself with the right products and you can style it yourself.

I've learnt to twist my hair for myself, I've also discovered natural products that aid the growth and maintenance of my hair. I don't have to visit the salon regularly or worry over how to maintain my hair or fix false hair on etc,

_{However, to each her own}

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Self-hatred, that is what will send someone to destroy, bleach their skin. If it is a medical condition then that's a different ball-game altogether but it's this notion that dark is bad and light is better that is sending people down the path of ignorance. Just wait for the after effects- they are not pretty; I can tell you. Anyway, don't they know that people of a darker skin hue don't age as quickly as their lighter skinned counterparts.

Compare a 30-year old caucasian to a 30-year old African; the caucasian looks at least 5years older.!

« #5 on: November 16, 2006, 03:34 PM » 
Believe me guys, I'd love to believe,  I just canna,

Apparantly t' mountains and lakes are all formed from[b] the big bang[/b]

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html

Ya know I've lost family and friends close to me throughout me life and
wish they in some nice place, just don't think they are,

Who knows, maybe I could be convinced otherwise



@ deathadder,

Of course it was the big bang, however, that big bang was God's voice saying 'Let there be light!!!'

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dollie-pie:

nooooooooooooooooooooooo i think its monalisa chinda the girl is hooooooooooooot ,u guys shld watch girls in d hood,executive gurlz and others ull know exactly what im talkn bout.

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I totally agree with you! Check her out in

Girls in the hood,
Obsession,
The Devil in Her,
Games Men Play and a host of others

Definitely! The most important thing for me is love and acceptance. If we both love and accept each other then it will go a long way in making our lives easier. You see when people enter into a relationship with pre-conceived negative notions, then that relationship will be fraught with problems; single parent or 'non-parent'


What of relationships without children? Are they automatically perfect because there were no children before the marriage - No!

I know of someone who thought he was a househelp because of the way his parents treated him when he was growing up- he was their first son (both of them). So how do we explain how some parents treat their biological children?

If you both work out how things are going to be before the relationship becomes permanent, most of the problems expected from such relationships really won't arise. So long as you see yourselves as soulmates then you will want to work things out and chances are you will succeed

_{Having said that, what I've noticed is that those in relationships with single parents are matured people; it is not for the childish}

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olabowale:

@Enugu:As I have stated earlier, people like you are a breath of fresh air. This quality is a rarity among the elites of Christianity of nairaland. Just take a quick glance and you will read what the leadership is upto. It amount to ranting and rage. It is all for nothing.

If you read the Qur'an and the explanations provided in authentic Sunnah and the history of Muhammad (AS) and his followers and the 2 generations of the muslims which followed, you will find the finest in Human kindness and best quality of human behaviour. I will not point a finger of blame to the christian west for the woes in the rank of the muslims, the world over. Rather, I willblame the hypocrites among the muslims who are using Islam to further their own personal agenda, or allow themselves to be used by the enemies of Islam to undermine the strenght and unity of the Muslims.

These muslims are at least ignorantly in the ranks of the enemies of Islam. If only temporary, they have allowed people to look at islam from the wrong prism. Islam governs all aspects of the Muslims' lives. Politics is no exception. Unfortunately, the ignorants are using this inseparation between religion and politics in an unIslamic way. They are lashing out, waging illegal war and even killing other muslims! Allah commands muslims to be rational and do not transgress the right of anyone. He commands also, that muslims must be practical and never be immotional and kind and merciful, always. It is abomination for a muslim to kill any muslim, or people unjustiably. Wars are never fought by choice and by pockets of people or group. Even muslim engage in fight, there are rules of engagements. Muslims the world over are support to fight as one body. In other words, the total 1.5 Billion muslims are to fight, all together. This is not the case here and now. What you have then is illegal protocol of war and it is wrong. The muslims need to have a unification under a Khalifah and then begin to correct their own evil deeds. If these two can come to place, then what you will see is the good neighborliness of the Muslims.

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@Olabowale,
Thank you for your reply. I'm glad you admitted that there are muslims out there who are committing evil in the name of their religion. I also appreciate your succint and straightforward post.

Whether or not the recommendations you made about them 'correcting their own evil deeds' will come to pass remains to be seen.

Let God be true and every man a liar. Jesus is The way, The truth and The life and until every knee bows and every tongue confesses, may we continue to 'occupy' till He comes.

Cheers!

@Olabowale,

Thanks for replying promptly. I've read your post and I have thought and the result of that thought process is this

- anyone and that is anyone who has had an intimate relationship with our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, will not kill in His name; will not murder, exterminate, bomb, maim in His name. Those who do so and call themselves 'christians' are not- they are not Christ-like- that is what to be a christian means.

So anytime you bring up historical evidence of 'christian' , I will not argue with that. However, I will argue with the fact that that West you're referring to is not a christian West. If they were, then the UK[b] will not [/b] have made same-sex marriages possible, neither will France identify itself as a secular nation.

Long and short of it is there will always be elements from all religions who are the worst examples of that religion but Christianity is hardly that; it is a way of life. Those who live that way, live the Lord's way.

Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem?, Unfortunately, in this day and age, yes. Like the English say, 'Two wrongs cannot make a right'. Bombing innocent people will not justify anyone- be they hindu or buddist. When people kill others and proclaim that god is great while they're doing it, it makes you wonder

I know you have a lot of historical facts to back your reasons for present-day muslim actions but Olabowale, peace (islam) is not war. Muslims will have to decide if they want to reflect their religion which means 'peace' or whether they will spend the time justifying their actions and pointing fingers at the 'christian' West.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu!

TV01,

Thanks for opening the thread as I suggested. I appreciate it. Now I hope it's not going to be a two Ts affair (you know, TV01 & TayoD) with the both of you going back and forth like a tennis match and not leaving room for a word in edgewise.

Having said that, I will ask about the early christians who 'went from door to door, breaking bread'? There was none of the structure we see today. I'm throwing this in before I get my bible out and join in on the discussion but until then, can any of you Ts comment?

Cheers

Ignorance, that's why! If God gives you fresh manna from heaven to feed your children, do you think you will have time to preach against other churches? Of course not!!! You'll be too busy trying to feed His flock!

However, God might lead you to point out certain things about other churches by revelation, like Kimba mentioned about 'Pastor' King and that is for your own safety. If your ear is open to the Spirit, you will hear and not necessarily need anyone to inform you; rather they will be confirming what God has already told you.

So my bros, Ukor, it is plain ignorance. A man/woman that receives from God will preach His word and nothing else. If you develop a personal relationship with God and keep it, nurture it and focus on it, you will hear His voice and you will follow Him; whether in Catholic, Protestant, Deeper Life, RCCG, MFM or wherever- seek the voice of your Master and Lord!

Dear TV01 ,

You got it right- kachifo is the Igbo word for good night. Literally, it means 'may the day break/dawn'

I don't believe you are without compassion. I believe that in all this, we will all have different approaches- some with the compassion and nothing else approach, some with the rod and staff approach and so on; so I respect everyone's approach so far as it reflects the Lord. Remember, He did not hestitate to 'bulala' people out of His Father's house when they were mis-using it!

However, I still insist that theological arguments of the kind between the two Ts- TV01 & TayoD, cause us to derail. Yes, your points are salient and pertinent to the matter at hand but they are not, at this point in time, the matter at hand!

So while I will learn something from your arguments/debates, it would probably be more fruitful to make them succint and then focus on the issue at hand. Perhaps we can start another thread on your arguments because some of us are really interested in this church structure thing- how it came about, it's pros and cons etc. I believe you both are robbing us of the opportunity to enjoy a healthy debate by doing it here.

Hope that makes sense

Ka Chineke mezie okwu (May God fix/adjust/make well the talk)

@Olabowale- couldn't get the table feature to work so have highlighted your quotes in blue

Posted on: November 11, 2006, 07:34                                                                           PMPosted by: olabowale
Now, Enugu, the topic is about Terrorism being Muslim problem, exclusively. If you look thoroughly, the starter of this thread is a christian. hence, you will be forced to ask, which group, is trying to malign the other, Christians or muslims? The answer is very obvious. However you may see it differently. The christians are even going as far as insulting Allah and His messenger (AS)! Yet, you can never find any muslim, anywhere on earth that will ever insult Jesus (AS)! Any insult levelled against any prophet is a direct insult on every prophet, from Adam all the way to jesus and ending up with Muhammad. so when a christian thinks that he/she is insulting Muhammad, it is also unknowingly directly insulting all of these men which include jesus (AS to all of them).[/color][color=#990000][/color]


@Olabowale,

I'm not sure that a christian asking a question about terrorism being a muslim problem is necessarily trying to malign islam. Right now in the UK, a lot of the indigenous white populaton (who are not christians), see terrorism as a muslim problem; consequently, there have been a lot of debates in the news- on TV, radio etc. Their intention is not to malign islam because they are not religious;however, their country is being transformed? by values different to their own so questions need to be asked.
I think this question of always assuming that you are being victimised because someone comments on your religion (whether of a pure heart or not) suggests something untoward- whether you are hindu, muslim or christian.

As for those who you say insult mohammed, why focus on them? The focus is on terrorism & muslims. If people cannot debate maturedly, then ignore them at least that's what the Bible says '[color=#990000]do not answer a fool according to his folly'




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[Enugu, the concept of turning the other cheek, is not in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. However, muslims are given the encouragement and commanding advise to not over step the bound of revenge and not to start a conflict. We know from the Qur'an that God says that Oppression is worse than Killing. On the other hand, from the bible, you are commanded to turn the other cheek. Please tell me here and now, have you ever seen any individual, group or society or country mong the christians that has turned the other cheek? Please let me know, from all the recorded history of christian nations or groups or individuals. 


Again, you have revealed the foundation of your religion which differs so much from our way of life. If the concept of turning the other cheek is not in the quran or sunnah then that explains things. I have seen individuals, groups and societies that have turned the other cheek- one example remains the christians in China; persecuted on a daily basis- you probably never hear of it because[b] they don't fight back[/b]!  Suffice it to say that those who hear the word of the Lord and obey it will turn the other cheek


[Unfortunately, the reverse is always the case. You will see the christians practicing preemptive strike, or instigating conflicts among people. Inshort, they are always itching for a fight. I guess all the preaching of Jesus (AS), fell on deaf ears! You ask any unbiased historian, under the rulership of Muslims, you found the renaissance of Europe's Jews and christians. They became enlightened and men and women of scholarship and it was this period that laid the foundation of today's Europe and indeed America's advancement.


I'm not quite sure what reverse is the case and which christians are always itching for a fight and what fight they are itching for. Neither am I sure what Europe's renaissance has to do with terrorism being a muslim problem- which I believe is the issue facing us today


It was the openess of the Muslims that the palestinians practiced in palestine that made it possible for the Jews to even lhave a noticeable presence o that land, before 1850. Then the Zionist movement began with the help of the Crusaders' offspring in Europe, specifically in England. Well, you know the rest of the story. Enugu, even though i am a Nigerian, how will you like it even if i were to spent a trillion USD in Igboland, that i displace the indigenous Enugu people, for example your family? If the shoe is on the other foot, the story is always different. think about it, my sister. Think about it before you answer

@Olabowale,
It was also the openess of the Africans that caused the trans-saharan/atlantic slave-trade and the consequent colonisation by the various European countries. We fought for our independence (and usually bloodless) I might add. If an indigenous people are displaced, by all means, they should fight for their land but in so doing target their oppressors and not innocent people who were in  the twin towers or the London underground.

What if those of us who suffered loses decide to fight back? People who suffered the loss of family and friends decide to go around bombing all the mosques and madrassas in the UK? Do you know how many muslims will suffer and if they decide to fight back, the kind of large-scale conflict that will arise?

Think, Olabowale before replying.

I believe the issue here is The Ted Haggard Scandal not the TV01/TayoD argument, with all due respect my brethren.

Be that as it may, I would like to agree with certain issues:

1) Christianity is not about Pastor this or Pastor that; it's about one's personal relationship with God.  This church thing i.e. structured church if I may borrow TV01's expression, is more man-made than anything, hence the flaws. That is not to say that it is all bad but you put a man/woman on a pedestal, you sure as heaven are putting undue pressure on such a person and when they 'fall' it is not a pretty sight.

2) Compassion is the key thing in our walk with our Master. TV01, I know that you are not honing in on personalities and I quite agreed with your take on this issue but my bros, it was a cold 'take' . No matter what, compassion, compassion, compassion.

3)We are all in this race together and anything can happen; you can stumble in a race, fall, faint out of fatigue, refuse to continue, be distracted, fall ill or die in the course of it

Let us all look to Jesus and Him alone; the Author and Finisher of our faith so that we all can make it in one piece.

Ted Haggard should be an example to us all. The Igbo name for the devil is Ekwensu in other words, onye kwe, osu if you agree/give in/yield, then it will happen.

So at some point, Ted Haggard might have kwe'd (yielded/'gree'd) and being in a position of power may have made it difficult for him to own up or seek help.

He as well as christians worldwide need our prayers so that we can all make it to the end and receive - Well done, thou good and faithful servant

Ka Chineke mezie okwu

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olabowale:

@Babyosisi: Shelkh Yususf Estes, is not alone, amongst Europe's and America's Islamic leasdership! there is a ton of people like him. All of them former Christian Preacher men. What I kind of enjoy from his writing is the simplicity of the truth of it all. He spoke about the production of the Bible in English, by telling us that English was not developed before 1066 A. D. He then brought about the first Bible that he owned. A gift from his father and it was  a 1901 or thereabout KJ. He then told us that it was a revised version of some Bible produced earlier, then that one, was of an earlier version and so on. I think you know where I am going with this. The truth of it is that he sets our mind up to ask this question: If this Bible is revised and rewritten these many times, and the process is still going on, where is the proof that this Bible is still unchanging, hence Words of God? Compounded with the fact you know that the christendom believ that the Bible writers are inspired men. Even these men are not bold enough or are they intentionally obscured by the church hierrachy, keeping their identities from you and other christians.

At least we know that Muhammad (AS) says that the words in the Qur'an are from his Lord. That indicates a single Author. Which is more accurate, a single Author or so many Authors of a single book from each group? A single Author sets the direction of the book. On the other hand, the book with many Authors have so many directions as many as the Authors. Some direction(s) may negate or completely opposite others. You see that in the Bible. The case of Peter versus Paul comes to mind. Further, in the hadith, the chain of narration(s) are known. This is one of the reasons we are able to know the classifications of hadith entries. hadith ranges from Sound to weak. Weak hadith is probably narrated maybe once and then with doubtful individuals in the chain. Maybe, you will have impossible conditions, eg, individuals who never or not likely to be in the company of the prophet on a possible occassion that they record the hadith for. In Madina, you have the hypocrites infitrating the Muslim community. Some of them wre Christians and Jews and of course, the Pagans of Arab tribes. All of the hypocrites tried to impure the religion, but God exposed them.

You should not be blind. You are a good woman. Worship your Lord. Do not fall for the 'Rapture' Okey dokey, Munshu Kunshu! Everyone will die. If Ibrahiim (AS) died, even though God referred to him as His Personal Friend, yet he was the father of Faith. If Musa (AS) died, even though God spoke to him directly without Malaika Jibril (AS), yet God defeated Pharaoh and his army through him, then be sure you and me and every thing will perish from the face of the earth. The tragedy of death, is not dying. It is the realisation that death brings. One live will flash pass one eye, so quickly, regardless of how long one have lived.Everything is replayed and death took hold of the live. You will also know your station, because, if you are from paradise, the Angel of death comes as a comely person and he will not be harsh to the soul. However, if the person is from fire of Hell, the Angel will come with hard and ugly personality, angry and violates the body and soul. You may see some death with blood and bruised up body. Even though, they have died in their sleep or bed.

Did you receive my letter in your mail few weeks ago? Whats stopping you from responding? You should pay great consideration to my suggestion therein.

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@Olabowale,

so does that mean it's alright then to kill and maim because as you say, the quran is from mohammed's lord and therefore accurate. anyway, to be honest, I don't really care.  Muslims are always claiming that the Bible is not accurate and so on and so forth; like Bilquis Sheikh asked in her book I Dared To Call Him Father, what part of the Bible is changed and who changed it and why does it still have the power to transform lives

Question is for a religion that claims to mean 'peace', why don't they turn the other cheek when their faith comes into question?

Whether we like it or not, we are in the age when as the Lord says
[center]"Yet once more I shake not only the earth, but also the heavens. Now this, "Yet once more," indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain'[/b]Hebrews 12: 26^a-27[/center]

[b]Everything is being shaken by the Lord Most High, Jehovah El-Shaddai; Islam, Christianity, Governments everything! That is why Islam is in the limelight and being exposed for what it really is and Christians whose lives are not reflecting the Word of God are also being exposed.

So Olabowale, forget it! Whether you believe the Bible is the Word  or you believe that 27 men  or  women wrote it  is immaterial. Our God is a consuming fire; receive His Kingdom which cannot be shaken that is the only surety you have. He who calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved for His Name is a strong tower!!!!!

belloti:

Lafile,

You know i don't trust Babyosisi with a 100 meter stick. She almost always quotes The Holy book from God knows where. I don't know what she intend to achieve. Below is the correct Quranic verses.

48 : 25 They are the ones who denied Revelation and hindered you from the Sacred Mosque and the sacrificial animals, detained from reaching their place of sacrifice. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom ye did not know that ye were trampling down and on whose account a crime would have accrued to you without (your) knowledge, ((Allah) would have allowed you to force your way, but He held back your hands) that He may admit to His Mercy whom He will. If they had been apart, We should certainly have punished the Unbelievers among them with a grievous Punishment.

48 : 29 Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

The Holy Book is the Book of guidance and verses were revealed in their relevant contexts. You can't say when you ve got headache you just go for amoxycillin because its a Beecham's product. Quran 47 : 4 was referring to the war period and has no direct relevance to our current situation. But if indeed there is a religious war i believe The Holy Book comes handy in ethical rules of engagement.

47 :4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

47 :5 Soon will He guide them and improve their condition,

If you want authentic quotations from the Holy Quran just go to www.searchtruth.com.

@belloti,

with all due respect, how does your own elongated version differ from babyosisi's. the idea is still the same; so what are you saying? that she quoted out of context or that their heads wouldn't be lopped off? Please enlighten!

Sorry guys for some reason , I couldn't attach the flyer anyway, the information you need is :


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Dear 'Landers,

Was watching BenTV last night and saw a review/preview of a nollywood comedy - Lucky Joe - which will be premiering at Odeon cinema Surrey Quays on the 18th of November.

It stars Mama G, Jide Kosoko and Okey Bakassi. Will upload flyer for more info.

Nice to know that Nigerian films are beginning to go mainstream in cinemas. Here's hoping the trend will continue so come out and support your own!

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jammin:

BY THE RESPONSES ON THE THREAD i know the oldfoots that are here young girls are sweeter, sweeter by far than those women that has lost their groove. most males are attracted to women that make them feel alive. youngs girls do that. married women give sukle to children and then have unattractive sagging breast, that if they are not careful they will step on if they forgot to put on a bra.

please don't say these girls are loose, they just have strong sexuality and are not afraid to display it.

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@ jammin,

don't forget that these 'oldfoots' were once young. So what will happen to those young 'strong sexuality' girls when they become married, suckle children and turn 'oldfoot'?

Make we siddon dey look cuz it will soon happen. FYI, a man/woman who doesn't want to cheat WILL NOT! Cikena!!!!

I have asked a married man that question because I felt that it is only a man that can answer that question. His answer- a man who has all he wants in a woman will not go out to other women!

Secondly, he said that some of these marriages are loveless so the man does not feel any guilt at cheating on his wife
Thirdly, sometimes, the love is taken for granted and the man allows himself to be careless
Fourthly, some men are just immature and not ready for marriage,regardless of their age therefore, they are not ready to settle down.

Lastly, if the young girls refused,then it would put the men in their place. Idiots!!! all of them

@ Desiree,

Just wanted to know how she will deal with the racism that David is going to suffer, the 'go back to where you came from' taunts and countless other issues that children of African heritage have to deal with in the UK. And what exactly are they going to tell him about the rest of his kith and kin in Malawi.

I understand where you're coming from but put yourself in a celebrity's shoes, would you not rather adopt a child that will ' blend' in quietly and without fanfare and if you really wanted to help poor blighted African children, teach their parent/ parents how to fish and feed them for life.

To be honest, I would not feel comfortable adopting a caucasian child because I would feel that I could never give him/her that cultural foundation that stems from our different races.

This are also hard facts of life and need to be considered. Sometimes that kind of help tends to backfire. A woman commented that she adopted an asian girl and now as a teenager, the girl constantly hits out and screams at her 'cuz she can't go and watch bollywood movies like her mates- she doesn't know how to be asian .This is made worse by the fact that she looks asian and so cannot deny her heritage.

I know it's not an easy one and who are we to say, however

@Havila,

Funnily enough I was listening to Vanessa Feltz's programme on BBCLondon this morning (from 9am-12pm) and this topic was on and boy! was it a hot topic. There were a lot of varied and suprising responses both from Muslims and non-Muslims. Will update 2moro cuz my eyes are begnin to droop. soorrry for the suspense

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ronkebaby:

@Enugu

I appreciate your sincerity and advise. Some people are more lucky than the others. How I wish those who are yet to see the relevance of taking advise before entering into marriage could read this. Some of us are already married and we sometimes wish we had known better. Yes the pretense in the pentecostal churches in Nigeria is so deep. Only a few like that of Bimbo Odukoya's actually make one realize the import of what one is going into and how you have to be prepared, ask questions and be at alert. A lot of people come in sheep clothings, but you do not really know who they are until you are married to them. God definitely cannot lead you into marrying someone you don't love. It is a big lie. I maintain and still say, a holy ghost filled married sister/brother, if married to the wrong person could backslide within months if not weeks of entering into that marriage. You definitely wouldn't enter marriage to study the bible together and go to church all day long. Marriage is more of attraction than it being a spiritual thing. Yet most Nigerian pentecostal churches make it abominable to speak about attraction. They would rather lie and say it is wrong to openly confess to a sister that you are attracted to her as that is worldly. That is why a lot of these sisters too believe the good husbands are those that come to them, telling them about how God revealed their spouses to them in the form of vision/dreams or prophesy. And they in return foolishly accept whether they are attracted to the person in question or not because of the fear of wanting to make heaven and to be in the good book of the church. A word they say is enough for the wise. Some people married now wish this kind of forums existed to share ideas during their own time.

And finally, on your story, nope, I do not blame you at all. Anyone could have fallen victim too. that is why some of us keep shouting to the present day youths to be at alert and ask questions. Don't just rush into it because someone appears to be holy ghost filled, nice to you or whatever. Looks could be very deceptive. Listen to your hearts, compare notes if possible by seeking for advise and then choose!

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My sister,

You have summed it up nicely. It was with Heb.2vs 14 & 15 that the Lord delivered me from the clutches of Lucifer; I was 'snatched as if by fire'. It took me years and I mean years to recover mainly because I could not believe that such a thing could happen in Christianity and unfortunately, the support to help facilitate my healing was not from the church. Sure, there were individual christians that reached out but in the main, you're seen as an aberration and in most cases, treated like one.

Me sef, i no dey fit keep my mouth shut when I see truth, I had to speak it. Of course this made me even more unpopular because I was expected to be quiet and humble afterall, i be sinner!

Anyway, this is what informs my crusade about loveless/spiri/prophecy marriage. I hope I would be able to reach out to people through this medium, by God's grace.

Cheers to you all