blueAgent:




It took same whites to stop slavery not blacks

Just wanted to touch on this. You think that slavery stopped only because of whites? I suppose the blacks that fought against it never happened? These uprisings didn't occur?



San Miguel de Gualdape (1526)
Gaspar Yanga's Revolt (c. 1570) near the Mexican city of Veracruz; the group escaped to the highlands and built a free colony
Gloucester County, Virginia Revolt (1663)
New York Slave Revolt of 1712
Samba Rebellion (1731)
Stono Rebellion (1739)
New York Slave Insurrection of 1741
1791 Mina conspiracy
Pointe Coupée conspiracy (1794)
Gabriel's conspiracy (1800)
Igbo Landing slave escape (1803)
Chatham Manor Rebellion (1805)
1811 German Coast Uprising, (1811)
George Boxley Rebellion (1815)
Denmark Vesey's conspiracy (1822)
Nat Turner's slave rebellion (1831)
Black Seminole Slave Rebellion (1835–1838)
Amistad seizure (1839)
Creole case (1841) (the most successful in US history)
1842 Slave Revolt in the Cherokee Nation
John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry (1859)

Guess not...

londoner:
My African American people.....I stand with you on this. More grease to your elbow.

So proud that Idris Elba and Eyolowo are also standing by you as British African actors.

Thank you. Connection amongst Africa and the diaspora is so needed. It's appreciated.

arbitter:


Yes, Im definitely white and/or a conservative, because everyone who says something you dont wanna hear is either white or conservative. Im not qualified to have a discussion with you eh, well i dont recall starting any with you either way so ill end this one here, afterall my opinion is mine, and i didnt really ask you to agree with it.

No, I asked because you're peddling the same ridiculous rhetoric that they do. Including the terms, like: "blaming whitey". The only people that I've ever heard use the term "whitey" are white people. It's like they give y'all a "How to Hate Effectively" handbook. Lol. How did you get here? Through a link from Stormfront, abi? Abeg, go back there joor.

You can't even effectively back up your arguments...

blueAgent:


whites also killed Detriot,Zimbabawe, Cleavland,Baltimore,?

the debt was justified.
even US paid money to Britian. Britain paid tributes and money to Roman empire . stop giving me silly excuse.that is not a reason for Haiti poverty. blacks always giving reasons for their failure.
Liberia had independence 1847 nothing to show. Ethiopia was never colonized but were are they now.

Abeg, stop making things up. The U.S. Did not pay money to the British after the Revolutionary War. They paid money to countries in Europe due to debt that they accurued fighting against the British. Once again, you aren't citing any sources to back up your ridiculous claims.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1784-1800/loans

Also, if the Haitian debt was so "justified", why did France abolish it last year. You're foolish.

arbitter:


Funny

Are you sure that you're not white? The rhetoric that you're spewing is all too familiar.

blueAgent:



Slavery didn't originate with 'whites' nor did
it end after it was outlawed in 'white'
countries. For example, Muslims began
buying and selling large numbers of African
slaves 600 years before Europeans did and
continued to do so until at least 100 years
after. The prevalence of 'white' slavery is
also rarely if ever discussed. Between one
and one and a half million white European
sailors and residents of coastal villages were
enslaved by the (Islamic) Barbary pirates.
This included many from Britain itself,
particularly in Devon and Cornwall. These
and other aspects of slavery are rarely, if
ever, discussed or debated because it
doesn't fit the anti-white agenda. Neither
does the fact that it was black (African)
tribal leaders who, during military conquests
of other tribes or states, captured and
enslaved their fellow black Africans then sold
them in the slave markets to the highest
bidder. With slavery being such a lucrative
business wars were often launched with the
sole purpose of enslavement in mind.
Another source came from within the
enslaving societies themselves. Just as Britain
disposed of it's convicts, heretics, debtors
and ne'er do wells by sending them to the
colonies so did the African tribal leaders by
selling them as slaves.

i guess your forefathers will also pay part of the money. for selling their own people.it took same whites to stop slavery not blacks

Your point about the origins of "slavery" in the broad sense of the word has nothing to do with my points. I stated that the United States was built on the backs of enslaved people. The compensation is for undue treatment and unpaid labor. Read "The Case for Reparations" in the Atlantic to see the cultural and socioeconomic implications. Also, indentured servitude or "slavery" in West Africa was not o the same scale as the chattel slavery of the TransAtlantic slave trade. It cannot be compared. This also does not absolve the U.S from any wrongdoings. Wrongdoings that resulted in this country being where it is now. Banks and colleges and institutions that were built by blacks. Black people being traded in the finance market. Our towns and economic systems torn down, generational wealth stripped away. A "sorry" doesn't cut it. It doesn't cut it in any other world system, it shouldn't now.

arbitter:


Whatever was given to Holocaust survivors,Japanese,Irish people was directly to actual VICTIMS. Not their descendants who just want a quick buck. Like honestly, you think the US is gonna pay 15 Trillion dollars to this current generation of African Americans?!

When did i say BLM committed Violence, How Lame! Trying to twist my word just so you can have a leg to stand on in your half assed response.
BLM activists were NEVER shot by any White people, that fake ass story was busted ages ago, you should thank the pathetic media for giving it credibility just like they did with that Bullshit about 'Hands Up Dont Shoot' (how embarrassing was that when it turned out the so called witness LIED). CHants are not gunshots eh? Sure they aint, but They're still dangerous chants, and no one is gonna support people who chant death crap at cops. when BLM started they had support all over the place, even from Obama, now what? They've been abandoned to their antics, and most liberals are pissed at them, why? because they go around harassing students, disrupting Sanders campaign and ofcourse the stupid chants. They gave plenty ammo to Fox News to thrash them and they DID.


When did i equate Police Killing Blacks to Black on Black crime, As a matter of fact i dont recall even mentioning Police Brutality in my post. Once again just twisting my words to make a halfassed response. My post was specifically about the SELF INFLICTED problems of the African American Community, not crime statistics comparisons. I wont even bother saying more.

Oh sure im thankful for the civil rights movement. I wont even bother responding to the tantrum thats all over that part of your post.

As for your video about the N-Word, i didnt really bother watching it. Cause im pretty sure it has nothing to do with what i said. I reiterate, Black Rappers have decided its 'cool' to take that word lightly and spun out over a decade of songs full of it. How do you expect the people who buy and listen to those song to somehow 'Censor' Themselves when it comes to using it.

Like i said the current Generation of American Youth have no regards whatsoever to using that word, all over Youtube, Vines, Twitter, full of them youths of ALL ages and Races using that term. NO one seems to care, But once a popular person uses that term (not calling someone it, let me be clear before you twist my words again) they get hounded. Example : https://twitter.com/gwynethpaltrow/status/208693551163379712, and this amusing response from some rapper : http://newsone.com/2019974/nas-gwyneth-paltrow/ (apparently he says, she gets a pass because he knows her blah blah, so thats what this whole crap has been turned into huh )

Sure sure, Affirmative action is needed.

Currently, Political Correctness on Steroids has allowed Minorities (not just Blacks ) to literary bitch about anything and people will still defend and bend over to appease them, Example :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IEFD_JVYd0, a Student blcthing about how other students (specifically the white ones i assume) dress in halloween costumes that are offensive to her. And ofcourse the recent University Protests that were Overreactions to minor issues.


Right, not many minorities have won Oscars, You really expect a field that has majority white actors to have an equal representation in awards? The reality is not many minorities have starred in acclaimed movies that warrant awards, and when they do they have stiff competitions, so theyre still not likely to win anyway. What these whiners want is a 'Quota', they dont say so out loud but that seems to be what theyre hinting at.

What kind of ldiocy is this anyway, a controversy over which actor gets a fvcking award that wont change the lives of anyone but themselves. How many of these Black celebs actually bother to voice concerns on actual injustices anyway?

And all the complainers ive seen , the Spike Lees, Smiths, etc have EXCLUSIVELY only talked about how there were no BLACK NOMINEES, no mention of any other minorities whatsover. So pls spare me the pretense of caring about other Minorities.

Cite your sources please! Show me where the shooting has been debunked. If you don't bother to read the source material that I provided, you can't adequately provide an educated rebuttal. It's just your own hate filled rant complete with conservative ramblings based on no actual facts. You've shown that you're not qualified to actually have this discussion with me. Do your homework.

arbitter:
The op has a solid point, African Americans have become a bunch of affirmative action bitches in nearly all aspects of life. Thats not mentioning all the other self inflicted bullshit they like to blame on whitey.

Currently theyre making a fuss about repatriations for slavery (because free money).

And their BlackLivesMatter movement has turned intoa joke and an anti white bullshit, there are videos of them harassing random white people and chanting anti cop bullshit usually involving calls to kill them. (Granted these 'activist' dont exactly represent all blacks nor do they have that much support. You should see the kind of nonsense they spew on twitter though.

Whenever someone tells them the obvious that black on black crime, school dropouts, drug use, their bad cultute and tendency to get unwanted pregnancies then abandon their kids is what created their problems they and their liberal apologists (whom need their votes) will call you a racist....noooo nooo its all whiteys fault!

Granted there are definitely injustices against blacks especially in the justice system. Their attitude of crying wolf on every fvcking thing has isolated them.


The most funny thing to me is how liberal whites try so hard to be apologists for many of the above bullshit. E.g when a group of black students [and some white and hispanics] went to a school library and started bullyingwhite students callibg them racists for no reason at all. Their liberal buddies were making up excuses all over the place, same for the chants to kill cops.

Which reminds me of the rising political correctness bullshit in college, this one is heralded by sissy liberals and minorities trying to once again cry wolf over everything and accuse everyone of being racist. They literary claim only white people are racist and make all kinds of demands to appease them(minorities ). They recently forced a university president to resign because some student used 'nigger', and someone did somethibg eith feces.

And about the 'Nigga' word, they pounce on any white/asian/hispanic person who uses it yet imprint it on their brains thru rap music, and social media platforms like YouTube, Vine etc

Besides i see all sorts of teenagers use that word, no one cares (theyre not popular), once a popular person does, they pounce with a simple goal, accuse them of being racist or attempt to ruin them.

Then now this bullshit about Oscars, basically saying they demand affirmative action awards.



Aside from that the op is an.ldiot

Wow! Really?!


To speak to your first point, reparations are not owed because "free money" but because this country was built on the black of blacks. That includes hundreds of years of slavery and 100 years of the black codes and Jim Crow which stripped African Americans of millions of dollars of generational wealth. Did you know that the US pays reparations to Holocaust survivors to this day? Did you know that the Japanese and the Irish received a form of reparations? Did you know that slave owners receiver reparations because they LOST slaves? What happened to our 40 acres and a mule? It's not entitlement, it is recognition for hard work that was done and has been done for decades now. We have been toiling in this country. We built this country for free, not just slavery but continually so asking for what is deserved is not entitlement. We are not even the only community in the diaspora bringing this up. Read this please if you want to learn facts instead of spewing the nonsense that you're peddling: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

As for #BlackLivesMatter turning into "anti-white bullshit" , show me where BLM resulted in violence against anyone and I'll show you were Black Lives Matter activists were SHOT by violent white supremacists while they were peacefully protesting. "Chants" are not gun shots. There is also PLENTY of support for BLM, I know white families who have BLM signs in their yards!

http://m.startribune.com/several-people-were-shot-near-black-lives-matter-protest-site/353121881/


As for straw man "black on black crime" arguments, I'll leave something here for you as well but since when is a police officer killing an unarmed person equivalent to a criminal killing someone?!? Also, what about white on white crime? Most crime in intraracial, that "argument" is null and void.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/black-lives-matter-loury-mcwhorter/409117/

What follows next in your comments is so asinine that I won't even address it. You're SO out of touch that it's almost laughable. I can see that you spend a lot of time in white conservative spaces because of your liberal use of the word "whitey" and your ill regard towards "white liberals". Are you sure that you're not a racist white man in disguise? I've only heard white people say "whitey" when they think that they're parroting black people. The point is that we will CONTINUE to speak out when there is an injustice because if we never did, we still wouldn't be able to VOTE! And your punk azz would have never been able to come here to spit on our efforts because the Immigration Act of 1965 allowed immigrants and students from countries other than Europe the opportunity to come here. Prior to that, it was a no go. So thank those whining black people and those stupid liberal whites for that.

http://www.soundvision.com/article/how-the-civil-rights-movement-affected-us-immigration

The Oscars talk is not my cup of tea, I'm not interested in begging but there is a real issue. In the last 87 years or so, there have been fewer than 10 black actors who have won. Latinos and Asians haven't won a single award in 10 years. This is about people of color, not just black ones. Not saying anything doesn't help anyone, look at the Native Americans.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2016/01/film-and-race


As for the "N-Word", please watch this. He explains it beautifully:

https://www.facebook.com/chaka.clarke1/videos/10206858844043076/


Just a small point on Affirmative Action:

There was a Haverford alum on a panel once, my alma mater. He is a black lawyer, very distinguished. He had a classmate at Haverford, who then became a law school classmate. They ended up interviewing for the same job and the black man got it. The white man later, said that he felt like his job was taken because of Affirmative action... Never mind the fact that he and the guy did undergrad and law school together. His implicit bias made him feel like he was somehow more entitled to the job that something was stripped from him. I don't understand such intellectually lazy assumptions. Affirmative Action is needed because people are idiots that can't see past their privilege. Smh...

If you read each post, it's clear that you are beyond foolish. I gave a well articulated and olive branch-like response and you responded with hate and ignorance. You're not worth any further response from me. I don't rejoice at the death of others. The type of person that you are is clearly displayed. I pity you. I'm finished with you now.

wytecat:
Thanks for acting out what I said about you. Mine still stands too as you can see from your post!

wytecat:
You are the fooool of foools to think I will read your shhiiitt, iddiott!

Yes, my point still stands as evidenced by your response sweetheart. :-)

wytecat:
This is one garbage I'm not going to spend my time reading. Find some foools that don't know anything and keep them busy.

The fact that you won't take the time to read something shows the type of fool that you are sweetheart.

wytecat:
You are only feeding people who haven't been to america this hogwash. Show me what those you mentioned did for Africans if money wasn't involved.

No one needs to be bitter, the fact is out there for everyone to see. My point is you "AA" are worse to Africans in America and no amount of your gloss crusade will cover it up. You think Africans are stuppidd and that you could come here and lie when we live it everyday. Just do your thing, we know you and what you stand for. The only reason you are now pro Africans is to give you a large number of people that have been killed by white and make it a race affair, when average African would do everything to avoid you in real life to stay away from trouble as any African that hangs around you ends up dying in some cases.

You built it but, others rule and lord over it, what an accomplishment
We know white our way, not with preconceived notion that you have allowed to hold you down
You didn't lay any foundation for Africans, we came to pay it with sweat and blood and our taxes.

You're wrong.

"Civil-rights icon Martin Luther King Jr., whose birthday is celebrated today, was a staunch believer of the pan-African movement, which was dedicated to gaining independence for African nations, and promoted unity of Black people worldwide, Whitaker said. As part of that ideology, King supported welcoming African immigrants to the U.S.


Opening the door for millions


The 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, which was passed by Congress and signed by President Lyndon Johnson, was largely inspired by the principles of the civil-rights movement, said Thomas J. Davis, an ASU history professor. In the first half of the 20th century, most immigrants came from Europe, he said. Before that, most of the Africans who came to the United States came as slaves.

"The act was seen as a way to end discrimination in the immigration system, as an issue of fundamental fairness," Davis said.

The act abolished a national quota system that allotted the vast majority of available visas to European immigrants and gave very few visas to immigrants from Asia and Africa. The act allowed immigrants to come to the U.S. based on their skills and family reunification instead of their country of origin, and therefore opened the door for larger numbers of immigrants to voluntarily come to the U.S. from Africa. It also set aside visas specifically for refugees."


Read more: http://archive.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2009/01/19/20090119obama-immigration0119.html#ixzz3h6doQ7q9


If it wasn't for African Americans and the Civil Rights movement, African Immigrants wouldn't have been able to immigrate, visit or work in the way that they can now. If you're not from here, some times it's hard to understand that the systems here are racial, not cultural. Meaning, being Nigerian does not protect you from instances that occur here.

That's all that I am going to say, because as an African American, frankly this discussion was very jarring and disheartening. I agree, there is ignorance on both sides that hinders our ability to connect. No, we are not the same culturally, but African Americans are Africans by blood. I have friends that are African (from Cameroon, Ghana, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Nigeria, Liberia, S. Africa, etc) African American, Caribbean (Haitian, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Jamaican, Bajan ), etc and we all see ourselves as black. Meaning African as well as products of our individual countries cultures. I'm in a relationship with a Nigerian man. We love each other and interact with each other with no malice (despite past interactions or misconceptions that we have had) because we have constructive conversations with each other. You cannot base your thoughts about an entire culture on some people that you may have met or encounters that you may have had.

However, it's up to you to decide what you want to do. You can be glad that my people are being murdered, that's on you. I won't wish the same on you. Please excuse any typos that I have here, I need to go back to studying for an exam, so I won't take the time to proofread. Good day.

In many cultures, marriage at a young age was not unusual. I'm African American and that practice was normal up until recent times. For example, my great aunt (who is still alive) married her husband when she was 15 years old. This was in the American South, and it wasn't seen as taboo. My great great Grandmother, already had 9 kids by the time that she was 28, so I can only assume that she married when she was a teen as well.

Just sharing a thought from a different culture/experience.