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Politics / Re: Africans Are Not Arabs Who Enslaved And Castrated Africans For Centuries by honesttalk21: 9:10am On May 29

Dsimmer:

More severe yet Africans are still existing in Africa lands and Europe unlike in Northern Africans and Saudi were they were wiped out? You must be insane!

And the European are not the ones who asked African countries not to be able to elevate and improve their countries while some carry backward foreign religion on top head like gele, even as the backward Fulani criminals refused to be civilized with their useless ulterior motives. Heck, some Africans destroyed their functioning regionalism.

All the early major Berber tribes including the Masmuda, Sanhaja, Ketama Zenata and Nafusa are described as dark reddish brown like the “Indi’ or as “blacks” or Ethiopians in early documents.

The original inhabitants of North Africa, prior to Arab invasions and the trans-Saharan slave trade, were primarily Berber tribes. The Berbers are an ethnic group indigenous to North Africa, including regions such as Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and Mauritania. They have a diverse range of physical appearances, including varying skin tones.

The Berber people traditionally had a range of skin colors that could be described as fair to olive-toned to darker shades. This variation in skin color among the Berber tribes was due to a combination of genetic diversity and historical interactions with other populations in the region

Politics / Re: Africans Are Not Arabs Who Enslaved And Castrated Africans For Centuries by honesttalk21: 8:15am On May 29

Dsimmer:

Of course I already opined that allat/allah isn't from ilah just like I have severally stated.

Allah was got from Allat deity at Kabba whom Muhammad's grandfather almost sacrificed his child to. Mohammed wasn't cool with it being a female deity thus changed it to a male deity but continued with the crescent and stone worshipping at allat's Kabba nonetheless, added with his criminality, pedophila, camel urine drinking while his unintelligent useless self promised a perverted brothel heaven. The nerves!

Anyways, all that ain't even my business. Point is Africans are not Arabs!

Al-Lat/Allat is not Allah and was worshipped as a separate deity in pre-Islamic Arabia. Your claims on dislike about her ferminity is too far reaching. Did Islam not abolish killing the female child?

Al-Lat was considered a chief deity of certain tribes like Banu Thaqif in Ta’if. However, her worship ended when her temple in Ta’if was destroyed on the orders of Muhammad. What tribe is Muhammad pbuh of?

The slanderous claims of paedophilia are untrue and unfounded.

Also camel urine furnished promising antibacterial activities against gram-positive bacteria, namely Staphylococcus aureus, Bacillus cereus, Bacillus subtilis and Micrococcus luteus, as well as gram-negative bacteria, especially Escherichia coli, Klebsiella pneumoniae. This is from scientific research not the careless statements.

Politics / Re: Africans Are Not Arabs Who Enslaved And Castrated Africans For Centuries by honesttalk21: 8:07am On May 29

Dsimmer:

You're the one exonerating the criminal Arabs. If the European had acted as Arabs, you wouldn't even be here saying anything 🤔

Facts is the European have left African lands, even as the Africans are still in their own African countries which European previously occupied before leaving!

That can't be said for the Arabs who are still occupying African lands while the northern Africans were wiped out.

That's my answer!

I am not in any way exonerating the Arabs; both practices were bad. Simply stating that European practices even over a shorter period were more severe.

What is the true skin colour of the Indians. Remember they too were colonised and even much longer than most African countries?

Have the Europeans really left Africa or you uphold this pseudo independence that is still colonisation? How many types of South African s exist?

Politics / Re: Africans Are Not Arabs Who Enslaved And Castrated Africans For Centuries by honesttalk21: 7:37am On May 29

Dsimmer:

Exactly. Allat was Mohammad's tribe stone deity at Kabba. If the child was female, it would be LLAT but if it was male child, it would be AbduLLAH.

That was why Mohammad elevated Allat deity among the other deities but wasn't cool at the fact that it was a female deity thus changed it to a male but continued with allat's crescent and stone worshipping at allat's kabba😂 He then added the Jewish history narrated to him by his brother in-law Waraqah who was practising Christianity however the criminal Mohammad continued with his criminality, pedophila, camel urine drinking and promise of a brothel heaven😂😂😂 The unintelligent criminal lunatic Arab.

Would say comical but the extent of assumption is incredible. Allah, according to several Arabic lexicons, means "the Being Who comprises all the attributes of perfection", i.e. the Being Who is perfect in every way (in His knowledge, power etc.), and possesses the best and the noblest qualities imaginable in the highest degree.

Contrary to popular belief, the word Allah is NOT a contraction of al-ilah (al meaning 'the', and ilah meaning 'god').
Had it been so, then the expression ya Allah ('O Allah!') would have been ungrammatical, because according to the Arabic language when you address someone by the vocative form ya followed by a title, the al ('the') must be dropped from the title. For example, you cannot say ya ar-rabb but must say ya rabb similarly Ya ar-Rahman is wrong so it is Ya Rahman.

Allah was NOT one of the gods of the pre-Islamic Arabs, but was recognised by them as the supreme, abstract God. There was no idol which they called "Allah". The Quran quotes the idol-worshippers as presenting the argument that:
"We worship them (i.e. the idols) only so that they may bring us nearer to Allah." (39:3)

Politics / Re: Africans Are Not Arabs Who Enslaved And Castrated Africans For Centuries by honesttalk21: 7:24am On May 29

Dsimmer:

I simply stated the truth. I know of the European occupation in Africa which I have also stated, even as we all saw the same in Nigeria.

Point is If the Europeans had acted like Arab, you wouldn't even be here today saying anything. Your ancestors would have been murdered or castrated like Arabs did to the Northern Africans while the Arabs occupy the North Africa land till today.

Of course this isn't exonerating the Europeans who also enslaved Africans but the Arabs were far worse. Also, it was the European who stopped slavery whereas Arab didn't want to.

I sense a bias in favour of the Europeans.

You should note that while both Arab and European slavers subjected African slaves to inhumane treatment, there were variations in how they utilized their enslaved populations. Arab slavers often preferred African women over men for various purposes.
Europeans primarily used African slaves for labor-intensive tasks on plantations in the Americas, leading to significant exploitation and abuse. They went as far as padlocking the mouth to prevent consumption of plantation produce.

In Arab slavery, body distortions were not as widespread as in European slavery. However, some Arab slave owners practiced castration on male slaves to prevent them from reproducing or to serve as eunuchs in harems.
In contrast, European slavery was characterized by a higher prevalence of body distortions among African slaves. Enslaved individuals were often subjected to extreme physical labor that resulted in deformities and musculoskeletal issues. Additionally, some European slave owners engaged in practices such as foot binding or dental mutilation that caused lasting body distortions among the enslaved population.

European slavery exhibited a higher incidence of body distortions due to the harsh working conditions and additional practices aimed at dehumanizing the enslaved individuals.

Politics / Re: Africans Are Not Arabs Who Enslaved And Castrated Africans For Centuries by honesttalk21: 7:14am On May 29

Dsimmer:

Nah. The Arab skin didn't undergo any changes.

They're are mix of Ishmael, Esau and Iraq. In fact, I believe Esau descendants wiped out the black people and Ishmaelite living there.

Point is it's absolutely callous for the Arab to have wiped out the Egyptians. What the hell?

As for the Europeans, while the European have got their own faults for what they also did to Africans but at least, they didn't wipe out Africans when they enslaved Africans.

As for mathematics, medicine, philosophy etc.. everyone were doing their own thing on that. Yoruba for example had their own Ifa mathematics, vigesimal etc. The Egyptians were also doing their own thing. The Greek with Euclid were doing their own thing. The Hindu also had their own hindu numeral mathematics which was even plagiarized by Al Kwarizmi.

I praise your recollection of history.
Interesting you didn't trace as far back as Eber.

Eber is sometimes regarded as the “father” of prehistoric Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula after the Deluge.

Politics / Re: Africans Are Not Arabs Who Enslaved And Castrated Africans For Centuries by honesttalk21: 6:58am On May 29

Dsimmer:

Egyptian were blacks as stated by ancient Greeks such as Aristotle, Plato etc. All of them were wiped out by Arabs during Arab conquest and slavery of Egypt.

Tunisia and Morocco were Tuaregs and African Berbers. Wiped out by Arab during Arab conquest and slavery of Northern Africans.

Anyways, what Africans need is civilization. Not retrogressive backward foreign practice which has done more harm to Africans by murdering them and sinking them into poverty!

The influence of bias on History.

Do you not know that The Romans occupied Egypt in 30 BC after defeating the forces of Cleopatra VII and Mark Antony at the Battle of Actium.

You choose to ignore the Roman origin of the Byzantine army?

The Byzantine rule in Egypt had been weakened due to previous occupations by the Sasanian Empire, making it vulnerable to the Arab invasion. The conquest of Egypt was strategically significant as it not only ended Byzantine control but also provided access to the wealth of the region.

The Arab conquest of Egypt was a pivotal event that ended Byzantine rule in the region.
Amr ibn al-As proposed the invasion of Egypt due to its wealth and strategic importance, despite initial reluctance from Caliph Umar.

Religion / Re: What Exactly Is The Difference Between These 2 religious Practices. by honesttalk21: 4:12am On May 28

Some ignorant people think, that the purpose of touching and kissing the black stone is to seek blessing and forgiveness from it, there is no basis for that, so it is false." (Majmu‘ Fatawa wa Rasa’il Ash-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymin 2/318-319)

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Religion / Re: What Exactly Is The Difference Between These 2 religious Practices. by honesttalk21: 3:41am On May 28

SIRTee15:

1. If U discuss with traditionalists they will clearly tell I they don't honour or worship the stone. Its simply a symbolic representation of their religious practice. That the stone is lost will in no way hinder the worship of their deity.

2. So are U saying Muslims do not venerate the black stone. I know some Muslims believe it has the power to forgive sin according to the hadiths.

3. I find it odd that Muslims will travel to Mecca for pilgrimage to spend quality time with Allah, then during the worship of Allah would now share that moment with a stone. Especially if this stone is nothing at all.
I would have understand if it forgives sin, then we can say it shares attributes with Allah thus may share time with Allah too...
But if U insist the stone is nothing....then I don't understand why pilgrims will be venerating a stone at a time he should be spending with Allah.

I have not discussed with the traditionalist but know they say when they poor libation that that is for the gods. Definitely showing a Polytheist belief very different from Islam.

Muslims do not attach divine power to the stone. As `Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have said: You’re just a stone that does not benefit or harm anyone, and if I hadn’t seen the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) kissing you, I would have not done so.

So, we are simply touching or kissing the Black Stone in order to honor us with association the practice of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. It does not imply any reverence whatsoever.

In any case the black stone isn't mentioned in the Quran or clearly regarded as having 'godly' powers. All worship is for Allah alone who alone bestows and forgives.

Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Verily, I am commanded to worship Allâh (Alone) by obeying Him and doing religious deeds sincerely for Allâh's sake only and not to show off, and not to set up rivals with Him in worship;

Allah solely forgives sins.
39:14 Say, "Allah [alone] do I worship, sincere to Him in my religion

Hajj is one of the greatest pillars of Islam if the Muslim has the means to perform this for the sake of worshipping Allah and has numerous benefits including forgiveness of sin by Allah and no other

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Religion / Re: What Exactly Is The Difference Between These 2 religious Practices. by honesttalk21: 10:21pm On May 27

SIRTee15:
I decided to bring this here because I'm yet to receive a logical response to my query. All I'm getting is emotional outburst and insults.

Can someone explained to me the difference between these 2 belief system.
Why is one called idolatry and the other not called paganism.
Why can't both of them worship together under the same roof since they both venerate a stone?
Why should adherent of one of the faith travel to Mecca to lick a stone only to come back to Africa and mock someone pouring gin on a stone a pagan.

Pls no insult...just need clarification.

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When traditional adherents pour libation it is clearly an offering to the deity or spirit.

This is clearly different from the act of touching or kissing the black stone in Mecca as all acts of worship for a Muslim is towards Allah and nothing else.

The significance of the black stone lies in its connection to Prophet Muhammad pbuh and the pilgrim acts associated with the Kaaba rather than being an object of worship itself.

The Kaaba constitutes a point all Muslims face in unity of faith while praying to Allah

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Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 3:54pm On May 24

advocatejare:

How did crescent moon get to the top of the minarets of your holiest mosques if your Allah is not a pagan moon god? Or was Allah so powerless to have allowed Othman empire to use moon to represent him?

Keep repeating your rhetoric please

Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 12:54am On May 24

advocatejare:

Rubbish, so of the symbols in the world, why did they choose crescent moon? Why that one in particular, because your idol Allah is a pagan moon idol

The crescent represents a phase of the moon, symbolizing growth, renewal, and new beginnings. In it's application in Islamic context, it marks the beginning of Ramadan, and other months.

Although not originally an Islamic emblem, it became widespread with the spread of Islam due to its association with unity, brotherhood, and the passage of time in the Islamic calendar under the Ottoman Empire.

You know very well that pre-islamic Arabs didn't worship Baal. There is no mention of Baal specifically in the context of pre-Islamic Arabian worship.

According to Canaanite mythology, Baal was the son of El, the chief god, and Asherah, the goddess of the sea. Baal was considered the most powerful of all gods. Baal worship is well reported in the Bible and probably is a core of the faith of Christianity that Jesus himself didn't preach.

The practice of Baal worship infiltrated Jewish religious life during the time of the Judges (Judges 3:7), became widespread in Israel during the reign of Ahab (1 Kings 16:31-33) and also affected Judah (2 Chronicles 28:1-2). The word baal means “lord”; the plural is baalim. In general, Baal was a fertility god who was believed to enable the earth to produce crops and people to produce children. Israel keeps strong presence in agriculture if this superstitious myth is to be considered.

Baal of Peor (Numbers 25:3) and Baal-Berith (Judges 8:33) are clear examples of such localized deities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udcamrulh6o?si=ZPwWkEZNXJlTBCHP

Allah is the monotheistic God in Islam. There's none worthy of worship beside Allah

Religion / Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 6:50pm On May 18

Lost and or hidden in translation.

The Ten Commandments
20 Then Elohim spoke all these words:

2 “I am Yahweh your Elohim, who brought you out of slavery in Egypt.

3 “Never have any other god. 4 Never make your own carved idols or statues that represent any creature in the sky, on the earth, or in the water. 5 Never worship them or serve them, because I, Yahweh your Elohim, am El Kanna. I punish children for their parents’ sins to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me. 6 But I show mercy to thousands of generations of those who love me and obey my commandments.

Religion / Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 5:57pm On May 16

sonmvayina:

Allah was already being worshipped long before anybody called Muhammad existed.His so called Father's name was Abdullah which means savent of Allah..

Elohim means plural..

So, there are several gods, but only one creator of the universe...He gave the other Gods their station, to Allah he gave the moon. As his domain.

Well asper Gen.1:26...I don't know what else to tell you, maybe when you grow up you will understand..
Till then... shalom

Indeed the ancient people now Allah; the almighty God.

The false knowledge you and your likes acquire lead to arrogance and the corruption of the truth?

Glad that everyone is responsible for his or herself.

Religion / Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 5:00pm On May 16

sonmvayina:

If you bothered to continue reading you will get to where it says " And God formed man from the dust of the earth and breath into his nostrils and man became a living soul....
Man is is made up of dust from the earth and breath of God.....
So where did the dust come from ?

From my extensive research..Allah would be the equivalent of the moon God sin or Nanna, it could not have been Marduk.....

Do you disregard that the Hebrew word for God is ELOHIM and that the word is plural. Do you not know Deuteronomy 6:4 that emphasises the oneness of God. If you did you will understand that the plural God is one God or a God who is a “plural-one.

Equating Allah with these ancient gods overlooks the theological differences and historical contexts that define each deity.

Who created the dust? In any case this discussion was not with the earth.

Your conclusions are wrong

Religion / Re: Jesus Predicted His Death And Resurrection In The Quran by honesttalk21: 8:19pm On May 15

Antilslaam:

The below again is Ala Maududi tafsir in regards to Quran 19:33 we are referencing to here, stay on the track and do justice to the questions raised.. This is not the time to go deaf, dumb and blind

(19:33) Peace be upon me the day I was born and the day I will die, and the day I will be raised up alive."

This speech in the cradle by Jesus was the sign to which the angel referred in( Ayat 21). As Allah intended to punish the children of Israel for their continuous wicked ways and evil deeds, He made a pious virgin girl of the family of Prophet Aaron, who had devoted herself to worship in the Temple under the patronage of Zachariah, bear a child and bring it before her people in order to concentrate the whole attention of the thousands of people assembled there on this extraordinary event. Then He made this new born child speak out even in the cradle that he had been appointed a Prophet. Though they had seen this wonderful sign of Allah, they rejected the Prophethood of Jesus and brought him to the court for crucifixion, and thus incurred the wrath of Allah.

THE QUESTION IS:

1. Is Jesus Christ brought to the court for crucifixion as a prophet while in cradle since you said he had been appointed a prophet from the birth

N.B. To be on the safer side, just answer YES or NO then we'll move on

When Mary the mother of her Jesus took her baby Jesus to show her people was this a court?

Is it the people that brought baby Jesus to the location he spoke as a baby?

Was the speech of Jesus as a baby actually part of his prophethood or defense of the peculiar situation of his mother?

Did Jesus as a baby debate and castigate the religious leaders of the Jews and Israelites?

4.156-162 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
This is in continuation of the theme under discussion.
The calumny against Mary concerning the birth of Jesus has been declared here as "disbelief" because it was not directed against the person of innocent Mary or her son but against Jesus Christ, the Messenger of God. The Jews had absolutely no ground for suspicion about his miraculous birth without father, because God had caused the whole Community to stand as witness to the miracle. When Virgin Mary, who belonged to the noble and well-known religious family of the Israelites, came home with the new-born child, a large crowd gathered there and demanded an explanation from her. But she simply pointed to the child. The crowd could not understand how a child in the cradle could speak, but to their utter astonishment, the child began to speak clearly and fluently and addressing the crowd, he declared, "I am Allah's servant: Allah has given me the Book and made me a Prophet." (Maryam, XIX : 30)

Remember the initial tafsir you stand on is on
Maryam, XIX : 30 and Ala Madudi tafsir in on verses 30-33
A simple request that you show where Ibn Kathir also says Jesus was taken to court as a baby and subsequently crucified has been repeated and you pretend not to see it or refuse to answer or both.

You're reasoning is surely closed at the moment and I have no more time to waste with you.

صُمٌّۢ بُكْمٌ عُمْىٌۭ فَهُمْ لَا يَرْجِعُونَ
"Willful ignorance being assembled, so those not revert themselves"

Religion / Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 8:11pm On May 14

sonmvayina:

this has got nothing to do with royal plural, remember the satanic verses, if Allah has daughters, then he must have a partner as in a consult. Allah is the moon god, SIN/NANNA . who had three daughters, the first is INANNA, who is lucifer. i guess she would be Alat

in genesis chapter 1:26 God was talking to the earth as the earth provided the dust for creating the body of man while God breath into it to bring it to life..

God was not talking to the earth in Genesis 1:26. The verse states, “Then God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.’” In this context, God is divinely and the verse reflects the use of the majestic plural with God.

Your thoughts are extremely far reaching.
Sumerian a language of Mesopotamia belongs to an isolated language family, while Arabic is part of the Semitic language family. This difference indicates distinct linguistic origins for both languages.

And if you choose Akkadian then you must know that despite some similarities due to their common Semitic roots, Akkadian and Arabic have significant differences in terms of vocabulary, grammar, and phonetics. While there may be some lexical overlap or shared features due to their historical connections, the overall structures of these languages are distinct.

Your extraneous drive to relate the pre-islamic idols are interesting but totally baseless. Allah begets not and neither is he begotten

Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 7:56pm On May 14

advocatejare:

Why haven’t answered this:
How did crescent moon get to the top of the minarets of your holiest mosques if your Allah is not a pagan moon god? Or was Allah so powerless to have allowed Othman empire to use moon to represent him

Answer it and we will continue!

The specific year when this practice first began is not definitively documented due to the gradual evolution of architectural styles and traditions in different regions influenced by Islamic culture. However, historical records and architectural studies suggest that the incorporation of crescents on minarets alongside mosques can be traced back to the early centuries of Islam, with notable examples dating back to the 9th century.

The crescent moon has been associated with Islam for a long time, although it is important to note that the crescent itself is not a religious symbol in Islam. Instead, it has been used as a decorative motif and symbol of cultural identity. The association between Islam and the crescent likely originated from its historical use in various contexts related to Islamic history.

Religion / Re: Jesus Predicted His Death And Resurrection In The Quran by honesttalk21: 12:11pm On May 14

Antilslaam:

Now go back to ala maududi, read gently all over again and point out to where he mention Jesus at 30?

Should we conclude that the first question is hard for allah and Muhammad to answer through you?

1. Is Jesus Christ brought to the court for crucifixion as a prophet while in cradle since you said he had been appointed a prophet from the birth

Ala maududi said so, should I screenshot since you are finally in disarray? But wait did you now hate Maududi for exposing your stupidity?

Ala Madudi says Jesus Christ was brought to court to be crucified as a baby you say and you suggest Ibn Kathir also has this view as you claim to reference both of them

honesttalk21:
Though they had seen this wonderful Sign of Allah, they rejected the Prophethood of Jesus and brought him to the court for crucifixion

Did you not change though they had seen this wonderful sign to and .....?

I don't blame you. It's your way and those before you.

I asked that you show similar from Ibn Kathir you keep repeating what is said before as ibn Kathir you claim to also reference said no such thing

Trying to hide your lie?

4.156-162 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
This is in continuation of the theme under discussion.
The calumny against Mary concerning the birth of Jesus has been declared here as "disbelief" because it was not directed against the person of innocent Mary or her son but against Jesus Christ, the Messenger of God. The Jews had absolutely no ground for suspicion about his miraculous birth without father, because God had caused the whole Community to stand as witness to the miracle. When Virgin Mary, who belonged to the noble and well-known religious family of the Israelites, came home with the new-born child, a large crowd gathered there and demanded an explanation from her. But she simply pointed to the child. The crowd could not understand how a child in the cradle could speak, but to their utter astonishment, the child began to speak clearly and fluently and addressing the crowd, he declared, "I am Allah's servant: Allah has given me the Book and made me a Prophet." (Maryam, XIX : 30) Thus Allah cut at the very root of the slander about his birth. That is why none ever accused Mary of fornication nor taunted Jesus with being an illegitimate son until he stained his maturity.But when at the age of thirty, he started his mission to invite the people to the way of God and rebuked the Jews for their evil deeds and exposed the hypocrisies of their scholars and jurists and warned the whole community of the consequences of moral degradation, they turned against him

See highlighted in red

Religion / Re: Jesus Predicted His Death And Resurrection In The Quran by honesttalk21: 9:42am On May 14

Antilslaam:

3. Are all that was written in Ala Madudi tafsir what to expect in the future when Jesus Christ comes back again?

I have given you many links none of them you click on to read by yourself, is Ala Maududi not part of your islamic scholars? Or because of what he said as it didn't suit your ignorance you kicked against him right?

Do you see reference to Jesus at 30 in Ala-Madudi or pretend to be blind?

Screenshot Ibn Kathir saying a Jesus was brought as a baby to court. Remember to share reference too.

Religion / Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 9:38am On May 14

Antilslaam:

Nahnu is still royal we in Arabic, I've told you go and read the history of royal we and stop defending nonsense

Below are the partners of allah as read in Quran, just read and be fine

Quran 37:153 Muhammad Asad
“He has chosen daughters in preference to sons”

Quran 37:153 Wahiduddin Khan
Has He chosen daughters over sons

AND THE DAUGTHERS ARE:

Quran 53:19-21
Have you then considered Lat and ‘Uzza And another, the third, Manat Are the males for you and for Him the females

Religion / Re: Jesus Predicted His Death And Resurrection In The Quran by honesttalk21: 7:26am On May 14

Though they had seen this wonderful Sign of Allah, they rejected the Prophethood of Jesus and brought him to the court for crucifixion

Antilslaam:

How many times am I going to show you that? Hope allah has not blindfolded you

A baby speak out even in the cradle that he had been appointed a prophet, they rejected his prophethood and brought him to court for crucifixion

Did you not change though they had seen this wonderful sign to and .....?

I don't blame you. It's your way and those before you.

I asked that you show similar from Ibn Kathir you keep repeating what is said before as ibn Kathir you claim to also reference said no such thing

Trying to hide your lie?

4.156-162 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
This is in continuation of the theme under discussion.
The calumny against Mary concerning the birth of Jesus has been declared here as "disbelief" because it was not directed against the person of innocent Mary or her son but against Jesus Christ, the Messenger of God. The Jews had absolutely no ground for suspicion about his miraculous birth without father, because God had caused the whole Community to stand as witness to the miracle. When Virgin Mary, who belonged to the noble and well-known religious family of the Israelites, came home with the new-born child, a large crowd gathered there and demanded an explanation from her. But she simply pointed to the child. The crowd could not understand how a child in the cradle could speak, but to their utter astonishment, the child began to speak clearly and fluently and addressing the crowd, he declared, "I am Allah's servant: Allah has given me the Book and made me a Prophet." (Maryam, XIX : 30) Thus Allah cut at the very root of the slander about his birth. That is why none ever accused Mary of fornication nor taunted Jesus with being an illegitimate son until he stained his maturity. But when at the age of thirty, he started his mission to invite the people to the way of God and rebuked the Jews for their evil deeds and exposed the hypocrisies of their scholars and jurists and warned the whole community of the consequences of moral degradation, they turned against him

Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 10:20pm On May 13

gaskiyamagana:

Moronical interpretation of Kalimat-sh-Shahadah.

Don't mind these cut and join experts of arabic.

Allah refers specifically to the monotheistic God in Islam, emphasizing unity and uniqueness, while Al-ilah is a more general term meaning “the god” or “a god” without specifying monotheism. The two are distinctly different

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Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 9:42pm On May 13

advocatejare:

You are very dumb. I told you that your mosques minarets have crescent moon at the top but you asked the foolish question that does the Kaaba have the crescent moon.

That is why I’m asking you if the Kaaba is a mosque and if it has minarets

I’ve shown you that the mosque that houses the Kaaba, Masjid Al-haram has crescent moon at the top of its minarets, you can continue your crying with the pictures I’ve shown you!

You are confused.

Is the crescent the sign of Islam, on the mosque or minaret?

Which question are you really pretending to ask?

advocatejare:

So the Muslims using it at the top of their mosques are not Muslims?

Dey play

Hope you enjoy your play?

advocatejare:

Baal is a moon idol, Allah is a moon idol and that is why u put crescent moon at the top of the minarets of your mosques and that is why u put moon on everything you do in Islam ☪️

If Allah is not Baal the moon idol, why is moon the symbol of Islam?

You have been educated that the crescent or moon is neither a sign of Islam or part of the requirement for a mosque?

Perhaps you will turn your attention to the clocks above which the crescent lies on the minarets.

Does Minaret seem like a mosque or your desperation to lie and slander the truth.

Religion / Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 8:45pm On May 13

Antilslaam:

honesttalk21 you gerrit right? So stop attributing royal we to allah, that deity called allah has many partners..

Usage of the royal we in scripture predates its adoption by monarchies. The scriptural use of plural pronouns by God existed long before the practice was adopted by earthly rulers.

There are many verses in the Quran where Allah speaks using the Arabic pronoun “nahnu” (meaning we) or its associated suffix….”we” created, “we” sent down, etc. In Arabic, this is perfectly acceptable, because “nahnu” does not necessarily imply plurality. It can also indicate the speaker’s lofty status, and thus, when the Most High uses it, the meaning is evident.

Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 8:33pm On May 13

advocatejare:

You are more dumb than I thought. It is the practice to put the crescent moon at the top of the minarets of your mosques, the highest point. Does the Kaaba have minarets?
Is the Kaaba not within Masjid Al-Haram?

Doesn’t the minarets of Masjid Al-Haram have crescent moon at the top?

I have attached more photos for you to cure you of your ignorance?

Go and look at the minarets of your Masjid Al-Haram which houses the Kaaba which is the house of your pagan god Allah

Finally, is the Kaaba a Masjid/Mosque. Yes or No?

Very true indeed.

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

Minarets are not part of the Kaaba.

The Kaaba is a sacred structure located in the center of the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It is a cube-shaped building that serves as the focal point for Islamic prayers and pilgrimages. The Kaaba itself does not have any minarets attached to it.

Minarets around the mosques or kaaba are tall towers typically found adjacent to these worship centres, from which the call to prayer (adhan) is traditionally made by a muezzin. These structures serve as important landmarks and symbols in Islam, but they are separate from the central structure of the mosque, such as the Kaaba.

You should be ashamed and be quiet while you reflect.

Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 1:00pm On May 13

Sadly you do not discern that what you posted and appear to have highlighted is not part of the Kaaba or is it a part of the black cube?

Secondly share your image source if you are so sure of yourself.

advocatejare:

Check the picture below the you will see the crescent in your Kaaba

Again you misplace your English language. Is what you refer to in the Kaaba?

Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 10:01pm On May 12

advocatejare:

You have failed to show me the fatwa that states that using Crescent and moon as the symbol of Islam and at the top of your mosques is haram!

Your request for a fatwa is your diversion haven failed to answer the below

honesttalk21:

Do you insist there aren't any mosques without this design or greetings without this design. Seems you also imply verbal greetings have this design.

Tell me where is the crescent at the Kaaba?

The silly tactics you use when caught in your own web of falsehood and mischief.

Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 8:15pm On May 12

advocatejare:

This single verse exposes the inconsistency in your Quran and islam.

How will Allah ask the angels to prostrate/make obeisance to Adam when the same Allah claim that he alone is worthy of worship?

Why should the angels and Iblis worship Adam?

And why did the Quran refer to Iblees as unbeliever for refusing to prostrate? Was he among the angels? Was the instructions not to the angels?

Is the obeisance or prostration to Adam worship? Is this not a direct command to the angels from Allah?

Quran 7:12
Allah asked, “What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?” He (Satan/Iblis) replied, “I am better than he is: You created me from fire and him from clay.”

You are hoping unto a new argument haven failed to show the crescent sign on the Kaaba in a bid to justify your false claims

Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 9:45am On May 12

advocatejare:

Show us any fatwa against use of crescent moon and star as the symbol of Islam

honesttalk21:

I await your answer to the question of a crescent sign at the Kaaba. Show this if your gibberish is not but that.

Religion / Re: Jesus Predicted His Death And Resurrection In The Quran by honesttalk21: 2:37pm On May 11

AntiisIam:

When you're been asked a question Muhammad in grave can't answer while alive, you will called it stupid question why, because it will expose the stupidity, nonsensical, ignoramus, craziness, etc radiating in the lives of you slaves and islam at large.

If comprehending simple sentence is your problem, I will beseech thee to drop your details for enrollment to Montessori school. I've been doing this to your fellow slaves here on nairaland and outside nairaland. We will also do it for you too. Just your details and we'll get back to you asap

Go and read the tafsir again from the beginning, hire a primary 1 pupil to help you out in explaining the whole thing for you till you'll be enrolling to Montessori school.

The tafsir says a baby speak out even in the cradle that he had been appointed a prophet, they rejected his prophethood and brought him to court for crucifixion. Asking me this kind of a question you raised above shows the type of brain in your rotted skull

But the tafsir says a baby was brought to court for crucifixion, shey you can't read again nii? Nawa oo

In the simplest way since you claim to have used Ala Madudi and Ibn Kathir please show on the latter's tafsir where he says the baby was brought to court and crucified. Shameless liar!

You see this (For further details, please see Al-i-Imran (III): E.N.'s 44 and 53, and An-Nina (IV): E.N.'s 212,213).at the end of Ala-Madudi's tafsir on Quran 19:33 and of course cannot discern the meaning.

Do get educated here:

44 That is, "Although no man has touched you, yet a son shall be born to you." It should be noted that the same word "kazalika, "meaning "so shall it be," had been used in response to Zacharias' prayer. It, therefore, carries the same sense here. Moreover, the whole context here corroborates the story that Mary was given the glad tidings of the birth of a son without any sexual intercourse, and the birth of Christ, in actual fact, took place in that unusual way. If a son was to be born to her in the normal known way, and if the event of the birth of Jesus had taker. place in a natural way, then the whole discourse starting from verse 33 and ending with verse 63 would become absolutely pointless. Not only that but all other references to the unusual birth of Jesus in the Qur'an would lose their significance and meaning. The Christians had made Jesus the Son of God and worthy of worship simply because of his unusual birth without a father and the Jews had accused Mary because they had witnessed that she had given birth to a child, though she was not married. Had it been otherwise, then the two groups could have been told plainly that the girl was married to such and such a man and that Jesus was from his seed. In that case, one fails to see the reason why such a long introduction and a series of arguments should have been necessary to remove all doubts about his miraculous birth. Then Jesus could have been called the son of a particular man, instead of being called "the son of Mary". The position of those people who, on the one hand, profess to believe the Holy Qur'an to be the Word of Allah and on the other hand try to prove that Jesus was born after the natural coming together of a husband and wife, really try to show that Allah is not able to express Himself as clearly as these people. (May God protect us from blasphemy!)

53 That is, "If one's miraculous birth entitles one to become God or the Son of God, then Adam was better entitled to it because he was created without either a human father or a mother, while Jesus was born without a father only.

212 The Prophet Jesus has specially been called God's "Command" (Kalimah) because he was born without the usual agency of a father. God sent a Command that Mary should become pregnant without the semen of a man and she conceived. Although in the very beginning, the Christians were told that Christ had been born without a father by the Command of God, yet they were so misled by the Alexandrian Philosophy of Philo that they first mistook Kalimah (Command) for the "Divine Word"; then changed the "Divine Word" into the "Logos"; then they built on the Logos Doctrine which misguided them to the false belief in the divine nature of Jesus Christ. That is how they came to believe that God had revealed Himself or His eternal attribute of speech in the person of Jesus. (See John I : 1, 14).

213 Here Jesus has been called "A spirit from God" and in Al-Baqarah, 11 : 253, it is stated that God supported him (Jesus) with the "Holy Spirit". In both cases, it means that Allah had bestowed upon the Prophet Jesus a Holy Spirit that .was imbued with high moral values and was a perfection of truth and righteousness without any tinge of evil. The Christians were taught this very thing, but they exaggerated the notion: they took "a spirit from God" for "the Spirit of God" and perverted the meaning of the Holy Ghost into "the Spirit of God Himself" which had entered into Jesus Christ. Thus, a third god, "the Holy Ghost", was created along with God and Christ. This was their second transgression which led the Christians astray.

The perversion of "a spirit from God" into "the Spirit of God" (Holy Ghost) has been made in spite of the fact that according to the Gospel of Matthew, "The angel of the Lord appeared unto him (Joseph) in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary, thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost," and not the Holy Ghost (1 : 20).

Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 5:05pm On May 10

advocatejare:

Are you denying that your mosques have the moon and stars image at the top of their minarets? Are you saying that the mosques that have it are not for Muslims?

If the images don’t matter, can they put the image of the cross at the top of your mosque and your idol Allah won’t get angry and send his jihadists to burn down such mosques?

The symbol of the cross has long been associated with Christianity at least since the 4th century.

The bell was not considered to call Muslims to prayer.

I await your answer to the question of a crescent sign at the Kaaba. Show this if your gibberish is not but that.

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