KingEbukasBlog:


I saw your discussions today and I doubt you'd understand me but I'll go ahead anyway

During church services , our messages are centered on good morals and the church exhorts its members to give their lives to Christ and live a good Christian life , a life of rectitude - these are the prerequisites of making Heaven . We don't sit down and worry about the afterlife like Seun portrayed it to be .

Comprende ?

I comprehend but I would only know that if I attend your church

Since I haven't, what I see is HEAVEN AT LAST! which gives an impression of a church more focused on afterlife, your reflective jackets, tracts and billboards also say the same

KingEbukasBlog:


No one sits down and worries what happens after death . Honestly , its only on this site that I see the most ridiculous things about Christian beliefs . 4kings , amokeme can bear me witness that in Church services we are being taught to strive for greatness , be ambitious and excel beyond expectations . No wonder Christians are the wealthiest and most accomplished in the world , the disparity is there for all to see .

Your church's slogan is HEAVEN AT LAST! but I hear you bro

Also, look at every tract, every Christian movie, listen to preachers that disturb us early in the morning

Overwhelming percentage of them focus on it

KingEbukasBlog:


I thought I was the only one that noticed .

You're the only one, I ignored his atheist vs freethinker because its a very dishonest question intended to derail

Here

[size=16pt]The German Freethinkers League aim was to provide a public meeting-ground and forum for materialist and atheist thinkers in Germany.[/size]

And

[size=16pt]The League was closed down in the spring of 1933, when Hitler outlawed all atheistic and freethinking groups in Germany.[/size]

He's now asking the difference between freethinkers and atheists?

Now, an intelligent person can see that his question has little to no bearing

Gonna be busy for a while

stephenmorris:
he is behaving like winner01 because that guy never quotes from the bible and he is a so called christian so winner01 and adolf hitler are the same people different times

Show me Bill Gates quoting from the bible

Yet your brothers KingEbuka and Naijadeyhia and winner01 label him "Christian".

Hypocrites

4everGod:


Lol chai this guy is so far from comprehending anything. A freethinker is one who forms opinions (usually in the context of religion) on the basis of reason independent of authority. He/She is not necessarily an atheist, agnostic, or anti-religion.

Per your screengrab i think you need to find out for yourself what the german Bureau on church matters was all about before you exhibit your ignorance. My convo with you is done. I just gave you a few more posts for sake of courtesy as you cannot grasp or assimilate the simplest of discussions not even when you own the links and gave them to me.

This is hilarious

You were almost there and now you run away? Seems you have seen the trap from a mile off

Maybe you should find out what is about but not from Christian apologists websites

The screenshot; That's a newspaper bro

The ONLY book you took all your quotes from has been found to be not trustworthy by scholars, lots and lots of questions

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk#controversies

You should've let this discussion go further, I would've shown you how he favoured certain sects of Christianity

But you live to fight another day

4everGod:



The bolded was why i asked if you even know what the role of the German Bureau on Church matters represents. You think its a church or a church meeting place? OLODO

Its for the enforcement of Church taxes and levies and registration of defaulters and ensuring they do not partake in religious activities. If they are caught secretly carrying out religious activities without paying their levies or taxes then its off to Auschwitz concentration camp with you.

Maybe you should know what you're talking about before spewing things.

You're closer

And when you do fall in, its YOUR OWN words that'll settle it

4everGod:


smh you are so slow bro.

The Atheistic/ freethinkers movement was not Hitlers problem as they were 5000 strong. His problem was the rest of Germany who were largely catholic, protestant and Jews. You still dont get it do you?

He can afford to displease [b]5000 so as to persecute millions of others who were not like the 5000.[/b]

Mr Fast

@bolded you missed two zeros after the 5

There are other ways he could've done that

Hmmm, you're almost in that trap

[size=15pt]The German Freethinkers League ('Deutscher Freidenkerbund') was an organisation founded in 1881 by the materialist philosopher and physician Ludwig Büchner[1] to oppose the power of the state churches in Germany.[2] Its aim was to provide a public meeting-ground and forum for materialist and atheist thinkers in Germany.

By 1885 the group had 5,000 members.[1] The first organization of its sort founded in Germany, by 1930 the German Freethinkers League had a membership numbering some 500,000.[citation needed] The League was closed down in the spring of 1933, when Hitler outlawed all atheistic and freethinking groups in Germany. Freethinkers Hall, the national headquarters of the League, was then converted to a bureau advising the public on church matters.[3][/size]

4everGod:



I think you need to go and evaluate yourself because you clearly without a shadow of doubt have assimilation problems and just might have a short attention span.

Your free thinkers League has already bee explained here earlier and i clearly highlighted it for you when i did.

[b]In a speech made later in 1933, Hitler claimed to have "stamped out" the Gottlosenbewegung atheistic movement.[15] The word Hitler used, "Gottlosenbewegung", means "Godless Movement" in German, and refers to the communist freethought movement, though might not refer to atheism in general. The historian Richard J. Evans wrote that, by 1939, 95% of Germans still called themselves Protestant or Catholic, while 3.5% were so called "gottgläubig" (lit. "believers in god", a non-denominational nazified outlook on god beliefs, often described as predominately based on creationist and deistic views[22]) and 1.5% atheist. According to Evans, those members of the affiliation gottgläubig "were convinced Nazis who had left their Church at the behest of the Party, which had been trying since the mid 1930s to reduce the influence of Christianity in society".[23] Heinrich Himmler, who was fascinated with Germanic paganism,[citation needed] was a strong promoter of the gottgläubig movement and didn't allow atheists into the SS, arguing that their "refusal to acknowledge higher powers" would be a "potential source of indiscipline".[24] The majority of the three million Nazi Party members continued to pay their church taxes and register as either Roman Catholic or Evangelical Protestant Christians.[25][/b]

Mr evaluation

What part of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Freethinkers_League

Don't you understand?

He closed them down and outlawed atheism

Used their meeting place for something totally different

Bros, if buhari closes all chruches and used them for atheists meetings, is that not persecution?

4everGod:


You said you had links that clearly show Hitler persecuted Atheists and posted them. I have shown your falsehood to you on the same links you produced. Now you suddenly jump and shout with this present post that Hitler was not an Atheist.

Are you confused or just slow?

I want to believe you are one or the other.

Read my last post before this professor

He closed down an atheist group and used the place for something totally different

4everGod:


You are a confirmed Olodo.. lmao

Your link is a repetition of the first one basically. Let me post it here for you so you can see how indeed you have assimilation issues.

[b]On October 13, 1933, Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess issued a decree stating: "No National Socialist may suffer any detriment on the ground that he does not profess any particular faith or confession or on the ground that he does not make any religious profession at all."[169] However, the regime strongly opposed "godless communism"[170][171] and all of Germany's freethinking (freigeist), atheist, and largely left-wing organizations were banned the same year.[172][173]

In a speech made during the negotiations for the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933, Hitler argued against secular schools, stating: "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith."[174] One of the groups closed down by the Nazi regime was the German Freethinkers leagueChristians appealed to Hitler to end anti-religious and anti-Church propaganda promulgated by Free Thinkers,[175] and within Hitler's Nazi Party some atheists were quite vocal in their anti-Christian views, especially Martin Bormann.[176][/color] Heinrich Himmler, who himself was fascinated with Germanic paganism,[177] was a strong promoter of the gottgläubig movement and didn't allow atheists into the SS, arguing that their "refusal to acknowledge higher powers" would be a "potential source of indiscipline".[21][/b]

You are a Nafdac certified Olodo

Look at this smart Alec

Professor

@ The green text

Read up on the group that was " closed down by an atheist "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Freethinkers_League

Huehuehuehuehuehue

The trap is laid down pretty well, you're at the edge but you'll only know when you fall into it

4everGod:


You do not even wish to learn. You are keen on attack alone. smh . So you agree you are an Olodo

Learn what? I've dedicated part of the last few months digging up things about Hitler

Don't get it twisted, he was a Christian but the hypocrisy of guys like you is what I'm here to lay bare

If Hitler had done good, there would be no talks of him not being a Christian

Now that he's bad, he's not a "Christian" you'll now start defining a "Christian" as "Christlike"

If we accept that definition, then we can't "know" who a Christian is

But your brothers were quick to call bill gates a Christian, even saying the richest people in the world are "Christians"

I'm sure if somewhere down the line, Bill gates turns bad, guys like you would say he was never a Christian


Hitler's ideas of Christianity was it being under Nazi, He wanted a unified church and was against atheism

The thing about atheism is that barely anyone is ready to die for it, I am not ready to die for atheism since we don't have a mythical heaven that we'll go to so most atheists were already almost wiped out towards the end of Hitlers reign, those that were quick to identify as religionists, those that went to exile and those that hid

4evergod

This link too

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#Atheists

I got them plenty

I've not even started attacking

4everGod:


You've been caught out so now you want to shift goal posts? lol

FYI hitler never stopped Atheists from entry into germany! Heinrich Himmler it was who stopped Atheists from joining the SS but Himmler himself was an Atheist.

Let me guess, an atheist refused atheists from joining the SS?

4everGod:


Again i say that you seem to have assimilation issues. For your sake i will post the first and the second part and i will even explain it to you.


[b]In Germany during the Nazi era, a 1933 decree stated that "No National Socialist may suffer detriment... on the ground that he does not make any religious profession at all".[15] However, the regime strongly opposed "godless communism",[16][17] and all of Germany's atheist and largely left-wing freethought organizations were banned the same year; some right-wing groups were tolerated by the Nazis until the mid-1930s.[18][19] During negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of April 26, 1933 Hitler stated that "Secular schools can never be tolerated" because of their irreligious tendencies.[20] Hitler routinely disregarded this undertaking, and the Reich concordat as a whole and by 1939, all Catholic denominational schools had been disbanded or converted to public facilities.[21]

In a speech made later in 1933, Hitler claimed to have "stamped out" the Gottlosenbewegung atheistic movement.[15] The word Hitler used, "Gottlosenbewegung", means "Godless Movement" in German, and refers to the communist freethought movement, though might not refer to atheism in general. The historian Richard J. Evans wrote that, by 1939, 95% of Germans still called themselves Protestant or Catholic, while 3.5% were so called "gottgläubig" (lit. "believers in god", a non-denominational nazified outlook on god beliefs, often described as predominately based on creationist and deistic views[22]) and 1.5% atheist. According to Evans, those members of the affiliation gottgläubig "were convinced Nazis who had left their Church at the behest of the Party, which had been trying since the mid 1930s to reduce the influence of Christianity in society".[23] Heinrich Himmler, who was fascinated with Germanic paganism,[citation needed] was a strong promoter of the gottgläubig movement and didn't allow atheists into the SS, arguing that their "refusal to acknowledge higher powers" would be a "potential source of indiscipline".[24] The majority of the three million Nazi Party members continued to pay their church taxes and register as either Roman Catholic or Evangelical Protestant Christians.[25][/b]


the second part explains the first part. Now readd it again.

[size=20pt] AN "ATHEIST" REFUSED "ATHEISTS" ENTRY INTO THE COUNTRY BUT LET RELIGIONISTS THROUGH? WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? [/size]

4everGod:



if you read your links i doubt if you understand them. Let me post an extract from your link and i hope you understand it.

[b]In a speech made later in 1933, Hitler claimed to have "stamped out" the Gottlosenbewegung atheistic movement.[15] The word Hitler used, "Gottlosenbewegung", means "Godless Movement" in German, and refers to the communist freethought movement, though might not refer to atheism in general. The historian Richard J. Evans wrote that, by 1939, 95% of Germans still called themselves Protestant or Catholic, while 3.5% were so called "gottgläubig" (lit. "believers in god", a non-denominational nazified outlook on god beliefs, often described as predominately based on creationist and deistic views[22]) and 1.5% atheist. According to Evans, those members of the affiliation gottgläubig "were convinced Nazis who had left their Church at the behest of the Party, which had been trying since the mid 1930s to reduce the influence of Christianity in society".[23] Heinrich Himmler, who was fascinated with Germanic paganism,[citation needed] was a strong promoter of the gottgläubig movement and didn't allow atheists into the SS, arguing that their "refusal to acknowledge higher powers" would be a "potential source of indiscipline".[24] The majority of the three million Nazi Party members continued to pay their church taxes and register as either Roman Catholic or Evangelical Protestant Christians.[25][/b]

Its funny how you dishonestly ignored the first part of it and quoted the second and las part to make your point


An atheist refused to let atheists into the country but let religionists through? What does that tell you?

theoneJabulani:
And the good deeds of some atheists don't far outweigh the bad? According to u, I could go on a killing spree, beg for forgiveness a minute b4 I die and still make heaven. How ridiculous.

Exactly

4everGod:



Lol this guy calls it western propaganda when Hitler himself was the chief propagandist and though initially it was difficult to read him eventually he was read and his very fruits spoke loudly. Too loudly to ignore. A mans words do not make Him....His actions do because an Action is a stronger expression than words are.

"Actions " like being totally against atheism?

He was NOT an atheist.

4everGod:


Show me proof that Hitler persecuted Atheists.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#Nazi_Germany

Go ghere

4everGod:


Dude you are the naive one.

Quotes are literal copies of words spoken by people in their exact context. What can be twisted is the interpretation but not the quote itself.

Google is your friend.

Oga, maybe you should do the Google search yourself, know how news operate and come back to swallow these words

Maybe you should Google the word "misquotes" and be enlightened

Sensationalism at its best is what Table Talk was about

Hitler was already being seen as "Atheist" by the west even while he was killing atheists, the church couldn't just class him as Christian so they spread propaganda and called him atheist

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_aspects_of_Nazism

Hitler was just against the kind of Christianity being practiced in Germany at the Time


He persecuted such Christians, persecuted atheists, persecuted anyone that's against his own brand of Christianity

Hey Mr 4evergod

I found a comprehensive collection of those twisted words

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk

Go to "Controversies" section and be enlightened

If that's not satisfactory enough, I'll give more links, I have 13 different links with me, trusted due to them translating the words "verbatim" rather than twisting them like your dishonest table talk author did and you're regurgitating it here

4everGod:


So quotes can be twisted? I never knew that. I wonder why it is then called a quote?

You sound very naive and new to quote twisting

Anyways its a good thing you didn't know that

Now go and find that out yourself, google is your friend

4evergod is gladly quoting "Table Talk"; a book that's been found to twist Hitler's words


The translation were manipulated to make Hitler look like an atheist and when challenged, such assertions were found to be true so far

That's the book he's holding on to?

He was Arian Christian

AnonyNymous:
He actually has a point here. Not to say that Hitler wasn't atheistic in his decisions, but he used Christianity as a tool to propagate his agenda. The op's point, in my understanding, is that the same could be said about terrorists and Islam.

He was Arian Christian

He was NOT an atheist

abduljabbar4:


Its aryan

Its Arian

But you can see he has nothing to say to that so he runs


What's clear is that Hitler was NOT an atheist

Hitler was Aryan Christian

Good questions

ifenes:


Can you imagine! They invited me to this thread to see a proof of Yahweh , now they are talking about DNA,baby and mum. Shifting the goal post as usual

So true brother so true

promise10:

He can't answer this!

They fear answering questions like this.

@ifenes, don't answer this questionoooo, to avoid showing your atheistic disciples how foolish and unintelligent you think. DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOUR, STAY AWAY! Lol

How about you just tell us how you found Yahweh? And how you know he's the true god?

Joshuabase:


Attention seekers are getting desperate sha.

Come on bro, it could be serious