kabe1:


From the above brief, the JF-17 is clearly a very formidable aircraft with advanced capabilities.

The world over only the SU-35, MIG-29m/MIG-35, Euro fighter Typhoon, Rafale, F-16 block 60 and above, J-10C, Gripen E/F, F-15, JF-17 block 3 are referred to as 4.5 generation or 4++ generation aircrafts.


With the JF-17 I like that aircrafts are able to communicate seamlessly with each other, I believe that a pilot in plane A would able to launch the missiles and bombs on Plane B.


Also the fact the aircraft only has 7 hard points is also not a disadvantage as 1 hard point can carry 2 bombs or missiles under the wing, so in theory, the aircraft can carry 12 bombs and missiles.

I also like the HOTAS feature of the aircraft, one more thing is the JF-17 is full fly by wire ( computer assisted with multiple redundancies).

Earlier models of the JF-17 were only fly by wire in 2 axis.


I think it's a fantastic platform for our needs, we need a full squadron strength of the aircraft, a minimum of 16 planes.

But 32 aircrafts won't be a bad idea.

24 JF-17 will make meaningful difference in the Air Force's capabilities. Block 3 will make more sense for next set to be procured.

Covert1:


Guess this answers your question about the AESA regarding SAAF. No need for response.

I'd add it is subjective to say they have no requirement for BVR. They actually want it not that it's necessary, they have no threats.

But it does seem they do have a very wicked IRIS-T not that it would be much of any advantage against BVR. Largely funding is mostly their problem and then BEE.

Yes it does

kabe1:


Gripen which SAAF does not have AESA radar, there is no evidence it has a lower RCS as the JF-17 and it's engine is not better.

Both Aircrafts have very similar characteristics, the Gripen C/D is slightly better but not by much.

Hahaha

All this while I thought the gripen comes with AESA radar and lower RCS as a standard feature and I also thought south africa didn't buy BVR missiles because they plan to integrate theirs not knowing they have no requirements for BVR.

This are the kind of things we should be learning here not all those jargons many people talk about here.

Covert1:


Of course not arguing is uncalled for I take you for a serious gentleman. I enjoy intellectual conversations. Actually it is public knowledge the SAAF Gripens lack BVR which is acknowledged by it's own Air Force leadership.

On the other hand the NAF JF-17s have the potential capability of deploying China's longest range BVR missile which mitigates some advantages of fighter jets like the Rafale. More important is the sub-systems on an aircraft.

But generally I know you better about these things than to regurgitate about them.

What of the AESA radar?

Covert1:


Actually a lot to prove its better than the Gripen in SAAF inventory which are mostly in storage anyway and less fighter pilot hours.
It does not have BVR nor AESA except you mean upgraded Gripens in Europe. There's no edge in a platform you can't employ as you choose or limited to where or how you deploy them.

Please can we have proof? I Just want to know am not arguing with you.

Covert1:
Una channels television dey call the JF-17 another name an example of the ignorance that pervades the land on military matters.

One feature of the JF-17 Thunder acquired by the NAF is that it is SOW compatible unlike some touted 4th Gen fighter jets by amateurs.

The powerful sound of the JF-17 engines in this video is impressive. The NAF JF-17 is 4.5 Gen. It can share active combat data of the battle space with other jets a capability common with 5th Gen. Jets and IFF capability etcetera


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vzxl7aV6j0

Common with 4th / 4++ generation aircraft. SAAB gripen C/D of SAAF have similar capabilities.

Nothing to prove JF-17 is better than gripen C/D as their capabilities are very similar. The gripen having technological advantage in some areas such as AESA radar, lower RCS and better engines which gives gripen an edge over JF-17 thunder ⚡. That doesn't mean the JF-17 cannot bring down the gripen in combat.

NafeesaAA:


First and foremost, I served in 3 different UN Missions, UNMIL, UNMISET and lastly MINUSMA. The post of a force commander is advertised, applications are accepted and a lot of criterias normally come into play when appointments are made. The Rwanda General probably have gone on several UN missions which tend to give him an edge over even a America General with no prior UN experience.

When I was in Liberia, most of these tiny African countries like Rwanda, Gambia, Malawi etc rend to have greater representation in leadership positions than Nigerians or Ghanaians. Why become, tgoer Police and Military strength is small ans as such they tend to experience more missions than we do with far greater strength.

It has noting to do with tribe or religion. The FPU Coordinator in Liberia was a Rwanda who has attended missions over missions. Infact the dude is usually called Mr. UN because of the number of UN medals he has earned.

Note, an ASP with 2 mission experience can be made a DPO, while a Deputy Commissioner with no UN Misson will be posted as an IPO or desk officer in the same division.

That's how UN operate.

Words

LTGEN:

Respectfully I disagree
They need more equipment
12 xMI-171e to ferry troops
12 more SURVEILLANCE DRONES ensure 24 hour intel over the most attacked zones
The TUSCANOS are coming.
please if you don't believe me , we need to get grid of every single think skinned Toyota hilux and yellow buckets replace them with 500APCS and
1000MRAPS.
It takes 15 years to get to MAJ -15-20 to get to LT.COL we cant keep losing LT.COLS TO IEDs

Have you ever gone through the inventory of the Nigerian Army? If yes compare it to pick-up, RPGs, AA guns and AK-47 that book haram is carrying up and down.

The more we run from the truth the farther the reality is from us. These men are not well trained and they are very irresponsible.

Sadiq Abubakar saw this and he knew he can not trust them with security of airbases and immediately did the needful. The Air force is really doing great despite not having it all.

SuperSixSeven:


Sorry cannot agree here. I assume you have no military background?

You need men with adequate training to handle military equipment. A army with good training will take on enemies handling better equipments.

The Nigerian Army is the opposite of that. BOKO HARAM don't have close to what Nigerian Army have in their bases but they still overrun the bases. That's enough evidence that Nigerian Army personnels lack quality training.

It has gotten to the point that they run from bases and donate better equipment to BOKO HARAM. They come with pickups and go back with MRAP, IFVs and Tanks.

kabe1:


Our soldiers don't need more equipment.

What we need is good training and a standardization of procurement process.

You are on point brother.

The Nigerian Army need good training. They can learn from the Airforce. Sadiq Abubakar invested heavily on training of personnels and we see results.

I will still prefer FG spending more on Airforce and Navy than the Army.

The army is full of untrained and irresponsible military men.

kikuyu1:


Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't heard of their camps being overrun or European soldiers SM complaints of missing basic kit and terrible command performance.

How will they have such issues when they hardly even do the needful. It's more like do your thing and I do mine. Secondly, the terrorist there are still learning compared to what we have here.

Am not trying to defend Nigerian Army stupidity though. They are the worst of the armed forces in Nigeria.

ugo4u:

Nigeria as presently constituted don't have the capacity to end France hegemony on West Africa. Ask yourself do we even have a foreign policy in the first place? We are lucky France isn't really interested in the affairs of Nigeria, if we provoke them to beam their search light on us believe you me there may be a coup in Nigeria. It's like we all don't really know how deeply divided this country have sunk. Some people are ready to sabotage Nigeria even without any form of inventive as long as they get logistic support.
The centre is already weak as there is no leadership presently in Nigeria, give or take we are towing the Yugoslavia path except something urgent is done to put the nation on a 180° turn.

So you believe Nigeria is like other francophone countries abi? Even France fear Nigeria to some extent because we no dey hear word. Everything they've been doing in secret will become open.

cutievik:


I have seen this trend,
years ago we called the Police> then Soilders> now Airforce.... who would save us next?

Space force

kabe1:


You don't come here throw tantrums, make unsubstantiated claims, cherry pick points and think we would all agree with you.

Stay off the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.

Lol. He's always like that if you know him well.

SuperSixSeven:


Todays maximum warship armament is more about available deck space rather than tonnage. The south african MEKO200s sports16VLS and 8 ASM while 3700t and 121m. (needless to say the SA MEKOs are underutilized). In contrast to the israeli Saar6 corvette has 72VLS, 16ASM on a 1900t and 90m platform. We can see even a compact ship can deliver substantial firepower if properly armed.
Frigates like the Sigma 10513 of the Marocco Navy should be considered with 105m and 2300t representing the best Light Frigates currently available.

you are right to some extent but am not talking about VLS alone but the full complements of weapons carried on a ship.

Requirements of navies around the world determine the proportion of Sub-surface, surface to surface, surface to Air and EW suite. The FERMM is a good example. The system of every operator is different and directly or indirectly affected the tonnage/size of individual naval ships.

I understand the fact that some modern corvette have better systems than some older frigate it's normal because technology keep improving. Available deck space you talk about will limit certain technologies on small ships like corvette no matter how hard you try.

Am very sure south african valour class frigates can have more than 16 VLS (should be 32) but their navy didn't see any need for it. Meko200 is also one of the best frigates in the world. I don't know much about the Israeli ship you talked about but having 72 VLS on a corvette is crazy and I still doubt it. I will look into that In the morning.

SuperSixSeven:


Nowadays some countries in europe go by the number of VLS launchers. 16-24 Launchers Corvette, >24-48 Launchers Frigate, >48-72 Launchers Destroyers. I am sure the NN will a light frigate in the 2500-3000tons range.

At the end of the day the size of the ship will determine the compliments of weapons that the ship can carry and that would still directly / indirectly determine the tonnage.

The Nigerian navy won't get anything below 3000 tonnes as the 2 likely ships would be Meko 200 (3700 tonnes) or type 054 (4200 tonnes).

JOSCOFELIX:
he shock you? but most destroyer of european are call frigate

Yes.
Mostly the tonnage of frigate in regular navies range from 2000 - 4500 tonnes but in most NATO navies a frigate will range from 4500 - 7000 tonnes.

Jimi24:
Maybe Chinese Type 054A Frigate is the best. MEKO frigates are almost too expensive at close to $1bn apiece.

$1billion for frigate? Meko A200 is not even upto half that amount. A frigate in most european navies is equivalent of destroyer in most nations.

Even a destroyer (type 052) is less than that amount.

Tochex101:

Lol...your head dey there, nah 240 be dat...

Seriously, him dey do like this once in a while.

Yagz I sight you.

Odunayaw:
Why do I feel like someone opened that account to air his mind without fear of being "caught"


Anyway, there's nothing new Yagz is saying. Alas, there's nothing we can do

kabe1:
BREAKING NEWS

Biggest evidence yet to suggest Nigerian navy is in the process of procuring a new frigate to replace Aradu.



The two-day Nigerian Navy (NN) Retreat 2021 held at new Conference Hall of Naval Headquarters (NHQ), Abuja ended on Tuesday, canvassing for the procurement of a new frigate to serve as Flagship to replace the Nigerian Navy Ship ARADU and improve NN Order of Battle.

The 125.6-metre (412 ft 1 in) multi-role frigate, NNSA ARADU, is the largest warship in the inventory of the Nigerian Navy.

It sailed from its shipyard and arrived at Lagos on 21 December 1981 and was commissioned into service on 22 February 1982.

The retreat also agreed that NHQ should consummate Memoranda of Understanding (MOU) with Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM) to improve availability of spares for improved naval platform availability to effectively secure Nigeria’s maritime domain.

In addition, Naval Headquarters also promised to standardise the equipment holding of all operations commands and bases to improve the combat readiness and logistics support in the NN for enhanced operational effectiveness.

The retreat with theme, “Effective Management for Nigerian Navy Operational Efficiency,” was attended by Chief of the Naval Staff (CNS), Principal Staff Officers at NHQ, Flag Officers Commanding (FOCs) and Commanders of operations bases, while the rest of the NN units, ships and establishments participated virtually via Zoom video conference link.

https://globalupfront.com/2021/04/20/nigerian-navy-ends-2-day-retreat-seeks-new-frigate-to-replace-its-flagship-nns-aradu-commissioned-22-february-1982/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nigerian-navy-ends-2-day-retreat-seeks-new-frigate-to-replace-its-flagship-nns-aradu-commissioned-22-february-1982

Lol

Still not solid enough.

We need to know the type and country of origin (Germany or China)

Odunayaw:
Tah, I doubt it was "hot zone" that killed him abeg

As if you know my mind.

NafeesaAA:
This is the GENERAL PURPOSE MACHINE GUN (GPMG) recovered from the Hoodlums who went to Zone 13 and got repelled...
That was the Gun they took from Naval officers at OKUZU.. check out the Muddy Butt as they dump it and Ran... Tomorrow some will accuse the police of incompetent when they're the ones arming them.

Hope you guys can see the Military have started gifting ESN/IPOB Militias with heavy grade weapons

How will police face this one now?

Will they succeed with AK 47 or teargas? Abi the training they've being getting by the road side?

marvin906:
I just read about Brazil aircraft carrier.. How come Brazil had an aircraft carrier they couldn't manage financially and now selling it to turkey for their own research purposes

It is very expensive to operate and manage.

Even countries capable of building their own at home only have 1-2 aircraft carriers.

Russia and France only have 1 but china is pushing for 4 already(thanks to US)

JOSCOFELIX:
IF THE NIGERIA NAVY WILL WANT TO BUY A FRIGATE, HOW MANY WILL YOU WANT THEM TO BUY, AND FROM WHICH COUNTRY.

I actually prefer 2 frigate and 4 corvette (our OPVs also type 056) from China and 2 frigate from Germany.

youghs:


Isotrex mrap

I mean them look alike. As if they use the same chassis and design is similar to Ara1.

youghs:


Yesterday

Looks like Ara1

Stormtrooper11:

What about india or britain or France or Portugal that don't have that number of aircraft carriers. Truth is, we don't wanna win this war yet.

Actually, no country comes close to US when it comes to force projection ( not even Russia or China) but the countries you mentioned have capacity to do something close. Their aircraft carriers carry far less aircraft (except royal navy 65+ aircrafts). Again no other country have more than 2 aircraft carriers. The US Navy also have over 20 assault ships comparable to aircraft carriers of other nations.

France and several european countries are also in Mali fighting terrorist and I don't think they are doing better than Nigerian military.

They have fighter jets and and helicopters for CAS but things don't really look good over there too.

I'm sorry if I insulted anyone please.

SamuelAnyawu:


Stop insulting when replying a post here. We are all matured peeps here. If I have a brother in the army I’ll understand he has to fight the enemies of Nigeria wherever they are.

The low morale amongst NCOs is also a problem.
We have too many Ajebo military officers now in Nigeria.
Corruption too is aiding this war.

Even when the bastards come out to attack in broad daylight they do whatever they want and return safely.

Oga this war get as e be

I've been read my post over and over again. I am sure I didn't insult anyone. I only said someone gave a stupid Excuse and you guys are claiming I insulted someone.


Even DubaiLandLord I qouted knows he didn't make any statement like that. So I just can't relate the insult to anyone.

arantess:

Absolute numbers sir...
It's 80 aircrafts not 80 and half or almost 100
You don't have to be a bitter person

The same person claiming I was insulting someone he can't mention?

Sorry if I hurt you that much.

arantess:

Some of you don't have to insult before driving your points home
The largest US carrier can take 80 planes and you are saying 'almost 100'...

I didn't insult anyone.

Is 80 almost 100?

Is ~1000 same as 1000?

Don't blame me for your ignorance.