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Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 11:08pm On Oct 09, 2013
*Kails*:
well lookie here! grin

https://www.nairaland.com/646049/nigerian-igbo-african-american/44#18650787


It is impossible to be from one tribe yes, but it is possible to look like one of them! grin
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 11:02pm On Oct 09, 2013
*Kails*:


PAUSE!!

>> I AM JAMAICAN << I know MY people and our history.
My issue was and IS with you claiming I am trying to ignore ties which is probably the dumbest thing
you have said on this thread. What I am saying is, (as I proved the other day) that everything is not always what it seems.

I said that to other nlders a long time ago when we discussed "yoruba" brazil - was consistent
I said that to bigfrancis - was consistent
I am saying it to YOU NOW and am still standing by it.



obviously.
however what does that have to do with looks?!



Hold up....

[size=18pt]"Check my posts I said Beenie man had strong Akan features."[/size]

You implied that there is an akan look sir, those are YOUR words...

Remember it's because of your flip flopping why we are having this conversation in the first place, guy. tongue

My post earned me 2 likes because ppl saw that I stood by what I said YESTERDAY and the DAY BEFORE.
You cannot look at someone and assume they come from somewhere or a tribe.



??



WHEN DID I SAY THERE WAS NO RESEMBLANCE? OH! you're one of "those".

hmmmm...
For the last time, I said you cannot look at someone and assume that they come from one region or tribe.
THAT is what I said and unlike YOU, i have stood by that. wink

Of course we are going to have some physical traits of our fore parents...that's our BLOOD grin we are talking about
however a lot of times when we look like other ppl it's due to coincidence. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. That is what I have ALWAYS said on this thread. You not only used the name of a tribe but tried to justify it talking about the maroons when beenie is not a maroon and even fulaman said he could even pass as fulani. grin


Firstly saying a person has strong Akan features does not make him pure Akan, it just means that the Akan genes are dominant.



I really do not understand the point you are trying to prove here.


Let me ask you a simple question?


If an Akan man has a child with an Igbo woman and the child looks like the father.


What tribe will people think the child is from?

It does not mean the child is pure Akan. It just mean that the Akan genes were more dominant in the child.



Several Nigerians have told me I resemble Igbo people.

Now I could of course dismiss it and say it's a lie. A bit like what you're doing! grin grin

Once, twice, then three, times. THEN I THINK ABOUT IT LOGICALLY.

There seems to be a pattern

All of these people cannot be lying.

Nigeria heavily supplied the countries of both my parents with slaves. So very easily a link can be made.

It does not mean that the blood of other tribes are not in my genetics. It just means that the genes that give me an Igbo appearance are dominant.


I am happy for you about your post earning two likes. I hope you are proud of yourself. wink

I am not one for saying things to please anyone.

I am still failing to see the great offence and why this argument even started in the first place.

If you say there is no Akan look then you must be right. wink

There is also no Chinese look either! grin

I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH A MAROON

It could be quite dangerous! grin grin

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Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 10:10pm On Oct 09, 2013
*Kails*:


you did not know that. grin

Oh I know a fair bit about the Marley Family. My family are big fans.

Sorry to disappoint you. wink

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Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 10:05pm On Oct 09, 2013
*Kails*:


interesting you say that considering RITA MARLEY'S MOTHER (BIRTH MOTHER) WAS A MIXED CUBAN grin grin grin

I know she is of Cuban heritage but regardless, she is not the most mixed Jamaican person.
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 10:02pm On Oct 09, 2013
*Kails*:
-first of all maroons are not all the same. tongue
BEING OF MAROON DESCENT, I am not asking you that.
there are maroon communities all throughout the island... tongue

-some of them actually raided slave plantations, took in the slaves they captured
and integrated them into their societies by way of marriage.

-Speaking of which some maroons WERE mixed - with the Tainos. wink

-being akan does not mean homogeneity sir. tongue

-some maroons speak twi while others speak coromantee which is also mixed
with other african languages (and even european) and others speak
dialects that are more bantu in influence than akan..not to mention their
cultures are more central african than west (hence kumina and the likes).

-as far as looks, even in africa all akan ppl do NOT look alike lol. grin grin

-it's very rare to meet a PURE maroon outside of the island grin
heck most don't even like living in the cities in jamaica. So please don't try
to use maroons to claim Jamaicans look more Akan than any other group.



@ bold My words are being twisted yet again! grin

I said earlier certain Jamaican look like Akan People.

I never once said all Jamaicans do!

Some in my opinion look like Nigerians

A few even look like Europeans.

Some look in between.

I all depends where you go.

I don't see why you should be upset if I made an observation about some of my people
resembling their ancestors.

I am well aware than some Maroons mixed with Taino's
however I'm sure that any Jamaican person of Maroon descent will have more African blood than Taino blood.


Also search my posts and see if you can find me saying all Akan people look the same.

Never said it once.

But if we want to be really silly we can start denying brothers may look alike or even that children look like their parents.

Just as we are doing when we say there is no resemblance between Africans and Caribbean. wink
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 9:41pm On Oct 09, 2013
*Kails*:
hmmmm

who said anything about "pretending" there was no link?

answer that.

also i just spent an entire day not too long ago
EXPLAINING how not one cannot go by FEATURES ALONE
as even interracial mixing can influence one's facial features...


last time i checked a certain someone cosigned to that...lolz
so don't come here a few days later and act like you can just look at someone
and tell they are from an area. furthermore

i can post west africans from different countries and you probably won't be able
to tell where they came from.

I don't flip flop buddy.

@ Bold it does but different blacks within the diaspora have different levels of admixture.

It's like comparing Rita Marley to Shaggy.

Some are more diluted than others. .


Or do you disagree?
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 9:34pm On Oct 09, 2013
May I add that in Jamaica especially in Maroon settlements. .

The Maroons did not readily mix with other Africans mainly because the Maroons remained free for the duration of slavery while other Africans were enslaved.

The Maroons were mainly of Akan descent.

Because they were free through sheer rebellion they maintained a lot of culture that other Africans on the island were forced to loose.

The Maroons were also not subject to sexual exploitation by Europeans like other Africans on the Island.

Because of all of the above the Maroon peoples blood remained be [b]much more pure Akan [/b]than Afro-Jamaicans from somewhere like St Elizabeth, Jamaica where they are mostly all mixed like Mutts.


Thus the reason why some Jamaicans today may still look like their African Fathers, while others have been diluted.
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 9:18pm On Oct 09, 2013
Royal^^Pearl^^:
^^ You have a point.

Thank you
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 9:14pm On Oct 09, 2013
My words are being twisted here.

Check my posts I said Beenie man had strong Akan features. Never once said that we was totally of Akan heritage.

Some genes are simply more dominant than others.

Just as a child may resemble his Mother, it does not negate the genetics of the fathers.

What I will not do is pretend that there is no link!

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Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 9:01pm On Oct 09, 2013
Royal^^Pearl^^:
Fante,Ewe, Hausa

Interesting. . wink

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Culture / Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Jayvarley(m): 8:55pm On Oct 09, 2013
Black Kenichi:
Sort of. Go on youtube and type in "Jamaican Mento" and listen for yourself.

grin I have heard of Mento but did not know a great deal about it.

It sounds a bit like early Calypso. Jamaica use to make calypso in the early days. It's not just for small islanders! grin
Culture / Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Jayvarley(m): 8:49pm On Oct 09, 2013
That Mento instrumental sounds like a rendition of this song.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2tt2gQgvG4


am I right?
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 8:39pm On Oct 09, 2013
Royal^^Pearl^^:
Lol grin grin

So which is your tribe? tell me about them
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 8:34pm On Oct 09, 2013
Royal^^Pearl^^:
You should check this out to see diverse looks
https://www.nairaland.com/1042951/beauty-ghanaian-women/97#18700740


Well I saw some beauties there. Don't worry I never said you all look the same.

Well except on Wednesdays grin
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 8:19pm On Oct 09, 2013
Fulaman198:

I'm sure that most African Americans believe they will have a multitude of ethnic groups Akan, Igbo, Fulani, Wolof, Serer, Bini, Mande, etc. etc. There were hundreds of ethnic groups that came from Africa to the Americas.

Yep!
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 8:19pm On Oct 09, 2013
*Kails*:
here we go with the skin color and claiming jamaicans look like one ppl crap.

Will you please help the thread and post us a picture and show us how diverse your Jamaican features are! grin
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 8:15pm On Oct 09, 2013
Fulaman198:

Well even if they are lighter-complexioned, they are still black. Most people in general assume that to be African you must be super dark. This rule does not even apply to South Sudan which have the darkest people in the world. Anyways I will not derail this thread any longer. A good portion of African Americans came from what is today Senegambia, Ivory Coast, Nigeria, etc. a few from Angola as well. It is really hard to determine where African Americans are from unless they take a DNA test. Physical appearance alone will not tell them where their ancestors originate from.


The DNA tests only scratch the surface of a persons ancestry. As they only target two lines of Ancestry Mt DNA or Y DNA
essentially that is your Female direct line passed from Mother to daughter or the Male line from Father to son .

A Y DNA test will not tell you the origins of your Father's Mother

A Mt DNA test will not tell you the origin of Mother's Father.

African Americans by now are descended from as many tribes that were sold into slavery.
All of this includes some slight European and possibly Native American ancestry.

If you are from the Diaspora and you think that you will be able trace your ancestry back to only one tribe you are kidding yourself!
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 8:01pm On Oct 09, 2013
Fulaman198:

You have to understand one thing, Fulani are not only Nigerian by nationality. They can be from any West African country, Sierra Leone, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Gambia, Senegal, Niger, Mali, Mauritania, Benin, Togo, Liberia, etc. etc. A lot are in France and Belgium (those from francophone countries), as a matter of fact, there are huge Fulani communities in those countries that they have a Tabital Pulaagu meetup group setup there. In the United States, most Fulani live in New York and other large cities. However, those Fulani tend to be from Senegal or Guinea.

I don't doubt you,

but I have never met any Fulani person who has proudly identified himself as one.


As for other Africans that I have met they have identified their nationality and tribe.
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 7:58pm On Oct 09, 2013
Royal^^Pearl^^:
Lol It's because i am light-skinned and they believe all Ghanaians are dark


grin I admit most Ghanaians that I have met were dark, but I have met a few who were medium to light skinned.

But then again all black populations have a few light skinned people even Kenya!
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 7:49pm On Oct 09, 2013
Royal^^Pearl^^:
Are you Jamaican or African American?


A mixture of Jamaican, Barbadian and a hint of African American grin
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 7:48pm On Oct 09, 2013
Royal^^Pearl^^:
Lol but maybe there are Fulani's but you do not recognise them as such. When i first came on Nairaland i was told i do not look like a "Ghanaian" and one further said that he has never seen a Ghanaian who looked liked me undecided. Anyways i said it's because of his perception. If he was out in the street and saw me, he wold not think am Ghanaian so there are also other Ghanaians who he would not recognised since he already has a perception of how we all look.

@ Bold this is possible but it seems that they do not come to the UK as much as other Africans.

So are you going to post your picture up? I will tell you if you look Ghanaian or not grin
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 7:43pm On Oct 09, 2013
Fulaman198:

Even with the Akans, you can see how diverse they are. That is why I say West Africans physically speaking do not look much different unless if you are talking about nomads (who tend to be thinner).

Now if we look at Sedentary Fulani vs. Nomadic Fulani, you will see a difference in body structure (Nomadic Fulani are more slim because they are more active) despite diets being nearly identical.

I do not know much about the Fulani people as I said there are not any significant numbers in the UK that I know of.

As for Jamaican people who have a strong historical link with Ghana, I can honestly say that I see resemblance with the Ghanaians that I see in England.
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 7:36pm On Oct 09, 2013
Fulaman198:

I could post several but what is the point. Even Fulani people have different kinds of lucks from Senegal to Sudan, because like Kails has said, overtime. All West Africans have 1 common root ancestor, that is why the languages are all classified as Niger-Congo. I'm surprised you would say you don't think so when I myself am a Fulani man.


@ Bold, I live in the UK I don't really see any Fulani people here in any significant numbers.

As for Akan people anywhere I turn I see one grin
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 7:33pm On Oct 09, 2013
Subgroups of the Akan proper include: Asante, Akuapem and Akyem (the Asante, Akuapem and Akyem dialects are together known as Twi), Agona, Kwahu, Wassa, Fante (Fanti or Mfantse: Anomabo, Abura, Gomua) and Brong. Subgroups of the Bia-speaking groups include: the Anyin, Baoulé, Chakosi (Anufo), Sefwi (Sehwi), Nzema, Ahanta and Jwira-Pepesa.

Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akan_people
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 7:29pm On Oct 09, 2013
Fulaman198:

The thing is that the Akan are an ethnic group and they are closely related to Ashanti people.

The Ashanti are descendants of the Akan people and only form one Clan out of many


Look up

Rita Marley, I Octane, Ninja Man.

They look like Akan people but I am not good enough to say which clan!
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 7:26pm On Oct 09, 2013
Fulaman198:

This guy could pass as a Fulani man too


Not in my opinion.

Find me a Fulani man who looks like him and post a picture! grin
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 7:25pm On Oct 09, 2013
Royal^^Pearl^^:
^^ So you saying Akans look the same undecided

Of course not, but they are related to each other and will generally look like each other.

A tribe is kind of like an extended family.
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 7:12pm On Oct 09, 2013
^^ That is an obvious one grin
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 7:07pm On Oct 09, 2013
Fulaman198:

West Africa in general it is hard to tell ethnic groups apart. The thing that differentiates ethnic groups are the following

1. Accent (most importantly)
2. Ethnic marks (some ethnic groups in the village still use them like mine)
3. Ethnic dressing

Those are the 3 major ones.

I guess it would be difficult to tell if the ethnic groups are closely related.

But those tribes who are only loosely related there may be noticeable difference.

For instance there are several Jamaicans who I can see are clearly of significant Akan descent.

Though I would not be able to tell you which clan they come from.




Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 5:05pm On Oct 09, 2013
Radoillo: I still can't tell Nigerians from Ghanaians. (Am I not looking closely enough?) Its easier with East and Southern Africans though.


I think there are differences.

Also noticed that Ghanaian women seem to have smooth dark skin.
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 3:26pm On Oct 09, 2013
Radoillo: There probably isn't. But then I know next to nothing about DNA and genetic markers and all that.

They are probably too closely related to be able to tell the difference by looks alone.
Especially in modern times where tribal markings are used less.


Now I can usually say a person may look Nigerian, Ghanaian, Caribbean, South African or East African but the whole tribe thing is still uncertain to me.

Would like to know more about the Black diaspora as a whole.
Culture / Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 2:15pm On Oct 09, 2013
Radoillo: In my experience, it appears chubby cheeks and prominent lips + comparatively darker skin and somewhat prominent eyeballs are stereotyped as Yoruba features. My cousin has those and people are always mistaking her for a Yoruba girl.

But there are thousands and thousands of Yorubas who don't answer to that description. Just like there are thousands of Igbos who don't look 'stereotypically' Igbo (eg, my cousin).

Personally, the way I tell the two groups apart is by tribal marks (if they have any) or by their accents (again if they speak with one). Otherwise, I just ask them.


I'm not sure I buy the whole light skinned Igbo thing. I've seen plenty of dark Igbos like Christine Ohuruogu.

Notice that she also has full eyes?



I've also seen plenty of fair skinned Yoruba's too.

There has to be something more structural than skin tone. Are there really any genetic differences between the two groups?

I'm starting to think not. .

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