mostob:
Zelalem struggled with injury sha... I don't know how he managed to end up in US.
Another one I like then was Merida. We got him from Barca but he didn't live up to expectations.

See eh, we had exciting talents in the academy then.

Lol, yeah.
Fran Merida. The first time I saw him was when he missed his penalty during the finals against Nigeria in the u-17 wc in which we won 3-0 on penalties.

My elder brother told me he's from arsenal academy but unfortunately that's the first and last time I saw him.

We get talents wey dey make waves then Sha. Now e be like say na just a few handful deh our academy.

germaphobe:
In jurgen klopp's years at Liverpool how many young stars did he successfully integrated into the first team in his first few seasons aside from TAA that made it in 2018?. All of a sudden we should crucify Arteta for dubbery being scared of fighting for his spot. That nigga knew it won't be easy and he backed off without a fight, call it cowardice but it's his personal decision which he thinks is right.
The thing is, if the club management consider youth graduates integration into the first team as this stage, there's no how they will let Arteta breathe well with the way everything is going, but I guess they know what they want, they know we need to have a stable structure first before using these kids. Last season both Liverpool and Man City made use of youths because the structure is already there and can't be shaken. We dey fear to play Nelson and Viera but na dumebe and Nwachukwu we go give minutes. 😂

Lol... You know I typed this exact same thing to a Mos.tob in one of my replies to him this evening. Like I literally typed almost everything you said here only to delete it at the last seconds because I felt it was too long (another epistles) hence I decided to type another one and make it short

This is really funny and surprising

germaphobe:

I'm sure more youths will see game time this season and even them knows this. Dubbery thought he's prime enough to break into the first team without going through loan spells, if only he knows the number of loans ESR went out on and Nketiah too. All of them just wan be like Saka who dived in direct forgetting that like Kobi Manoo, Saka was a case of when the "desirable is not available", and then they went on to surprise the whole world and remained "available".

True...
The best time for any young player to break into a team is when the so-called team is really struggling. But once a team is settled, e go hard for any academy youngster to break inside cos most coaches would be skeptical about their experience.

Anyways, When Arteta starts winning that major trophies and this pressure is off his back, then I'm certain we'll see all the youngsters we want

Leyqute:


Man Utd will have blood on their hands if they don’t give that kid a proper chance next season.

Lol... Seriously.

The hype and respect around the boy seems real

TheLequte:
This guy is a proper Luke Shaw regen. Can’t wait to see how he battles Malacia and any new signing for that LB position next season.

https://twitter.com/utdfaithfuls/status/1804098648407523463?s=46

Without opening the link, I just know say na Amass

mostob:
Tomas Eisfield
Dan Crowley
Gideon Zelalem
Fran Merida
Semi Ajayi
Eberechi Eze
Harry Kane
Tim Akinola (we're playing Arteta and Flamini at DM and this guy was with he U23)
Malen (now in Dortmund)
Afobe
Nathan Tella (Leverkusen)
Ozyakup
Yunus Musa
Ismail Bennacer


These are some of the talents we have let go in the past. Heaven no fall.

I never knew Tella and Ajayi was arsenal academy Sha


For all of them, they person wey I hear him hype wella, he was dubbed the next fabregas. Gideon Zelalem.

Before I close eye open am, I shock say him don dey USA league .

Omorr, football no easy sha. All these footballer wey make am(esp from Africa) suppose deh thank God everyday.

mostob:
You don finish work Honourable.
This is why Messi is an alien. Tactic o, fitness o, gym o... nothing concern Baba with all these things.

Ronaldo is really good in that aspect. I like how he is building his young boy.

Swearss..
There's a reason people say Messi no done from this planet. All the things wey him dey do they otherworldly.

You go too Jones if you carry am as your football model as a young footballer

Spy360:

How does that nullify that not all people are built for sports? Have you seen thin bones before? I mean really thin bones and muscles 😂 like that of Sylvester in my area? Lol 😂

Bros, no nutrition go save Silve if those bones break. Lol 🤣

Lmaoo...
I don't know who your Sylvester is but one thing is certain, if the guy have talent like Messi, all those bones and his body mass will be worked on

Do you know how many players who were really thin but have bulked up just because of their talent.

Let's take F.Viera for example. You think if arsenal wants to bulk him up they won't?

Do you see Yamal when he started and Yamal this Euros?

Omorr, Forget, you deh underestimate science and nutrition in sports

mostob:
That's why I don't really buy into the 'Arteta doesn't promote youngsters' talk.
None of us here know how things dey go in training. The Patino we're clamouring for, he couldn't start up to five games since January. Where is Azeez now? Spain division 2. I don't know how Balogun is doing but he has not replicated that recent form of two seasons ago.

If spending in another winger will improve the team and take us more steps forward, I'll take it.

100% spot on.

The koko is for the first team and squad depth to be strong and lemme win major trophies. That's the most important thing and that's what arsenal and Arteta would be judged on.

Simples!!

Spy360:

Lol 😂
The way you talk about nutrition as if it's the golden rule to avoiding injuries. See my note below. Meanwhile...

1. Why don't you tell me what happened to Messi.
2. What injury did Dembele have and how does that relate to not built for sports.
3. When did Partey start having injuries? When he started eating noodles or when he began old and his muscles could no longer cope? Which one?

Notes
I agree that nutrition and training helps players to stay fit. Wenger used to insist on placing players on boiled chicken for muscular protein. That may have worked but it obviously didn't work for Diaby and RVP. So while nutrition helps, that does not mean that any player that has recurring injuries, is not taking nutrition and training seriously. That will be an exaggeration and an insensitive allegation.

Secondly, science and technology helps. But it can only help you if there's something to build upon. A player who naturally has thin bones or muscles will always struggle with rigorous sports compared to those with thick muscles and bones. This is a fact you must accept. Science may help strengthen the muscles but it will not be like when it is natural. Example is use of steroids.

Lol..
You're mistaken what I said.
I never said nutrition is a golden rule to avoid injuries, I just said it helps to avoid recurring injuries like the one of dem diaby and presently Tierney. Nutrition and good physios and training regimen would help improve such limitations (the thin bones thin muscles examples you gave). The way you're making it sound, it's as if nothing can be done once those players have that limitations, they're unfortunately left to themselves and we need to unfortunately "accept it". That's not what I'm agreeing to

Injuries is part of football no doubt but when it's getting too much and frequent then something needs to be done. And for something that needs to be done, it's up to the individual to make it work cos they're strict disciplines for one to undergo. That's just my point.

Thank goodness you brought the example of Wenger. Since he introduced that nutrition regimen into their diet, it was claimed that arsenal players mostly hardly go into injuries and they were more fitter and faster. It was like that in years 2000(or so), Arsene bragged the he saw himself going unbeaten in the league which he did. And even at that, some players still secretly violated the rule (I think Ray parlor or so claimed to always sneak in ketchup that was banned and he have a secret agreement with one of the kitchen staff)

That's to tell you the power of nutrition. Then add training routines/regimen and good physios. Then add discipline.

Tell me why a player with such limitations won't improve?

mostob:
Yea... This is why the guy is still durable despite the kicks he suffers every game.

Haaland also practises the nutrition and the diet stuff. I salute Ronaldo for that sha.
The only player that's still good and doesn't do all these fitness and nutrition stuff is Messi.

Man is tough. I heard he doesn't gym much. Baba go come training, do small run and play ball. O pari. And he is still durable now. Imagine na Tierney dey collect all those kicks from Pepe and Ramos that year. Chei

Lmaoo...
I once listened to a podcast of Kevin Prince Boateng that once played for Barca. He said he pitied youngsters of Barca during his time especially those who wanted to break into the first team. That Messi would just do basic training routines without putting much work and can eat what he wants and if you give him the ball, Viola!, that's how he'll be dribbling everybody like cones
Malcom and Dembele were looking at Messi and doing like that(that is not putting much effort in training even though they're very talented) and it's sure it's the reason they haven't reached the height people expect from them.

He went on to say as a footballer, he loves Messi more than Ronaldo and believes Messi is better than him but he'll advise any young player who wants to make it in football (both in consistency and fitness) to look at Ronaldo cos Messi is a very bad model in that aspect.

And if you look at it, it's true. Check all the players who their football idol are Cr7— Like footballers who strictly follow Cr7's discipline to a large extent, they hardly go injury. From Mbappe to Saka to Haaland (these are 3 that I've read their story and can remember off my head for now). Hardly you'll hear any of these guys having recurrent injuries or one kinda long lay offs consistently. No be jazz dem dey use.

If you look at Cr7 nutrition you go run
Evra said he once visited his home and that's the last time he'll ever visit it. No wines, no drinks. Chicken that he was served was just plain boiled white chicken (ie, it wasn't spiced or sauced at all. Just boiled in hot water and brought out)
And immediately he finished eating, Ronaldo said they should go and train sharp sharp in his backyard.
And worst part is that they were just returning from match not too long ago and he just wanted to relax in Ronaldo's place


Like Ronaldo once said, "Everybody wants to be like me and it's easy. Just do what I do with discipline and consistency".

But sadly only few people can do what he does consistently.

Spy360:

You think the clubs will thousands of dollars weekly and not control your diet or training regime? Bros it's not slavery, it is like you rushing to make it to office before 8am.

You have emphasised so much on the bolded. In fact that's a definite statement. Now I am going to ask you to give me one 'science and technology' example that makes people who are not to be built for sporting activities.

On the question you asked, Go and read about Messi. (Especially his growing up)
Also read about Dembele in Barca. How his indiscipline caused him to be having injuries 24/7. At a point, they even have to appoint personal chef for him to be doing a laid out planned meals/nutrition for him but he doesn't follow it and sometimes still eat foods that were not recommended (pizza mostly). Also he reportedly doesn't sleep enough due to him playing video games at night. All these things were the cause of his incessant injuries that I'm even surprised how Barca still put up with him for years
Are you wondering now that he's married and calm, he suddenly stop getting recurring injuries from his last years at Barca up to now at PSG? I guess his body was suddenly "built for football"

I also gave you another example of Partey saying he'll cut down on noodles last season (beginning of 22/23 season) and miraculously, he played and was available for most of the season.

Tbh, it's very very difficult to follow such nutrition strictly.

germaphobe:

Everybody can say the same thing about Arteta when it comes to young stars but then just like you said, we don't train with them. Patino was a good prospect but his loan spells weren't convincing to me personally(everyone have there own opinion). It was under Wenger we let gnabry go, and now he's a beast(tho last season was hard for him), Willock and his brother didn't live up the hype, same as Marcus McGuane, look at nelson after how many years, Jeff Reine-Adelaide and even dasilva. Saliba admitted that going on the second loan to Marseille changed everything about him as a person and player. Sometimes, just sometimes what we think we know is just a mirage of the whole thing. I'm more concerned about Nwaneri at the moment than those that have left. Even martinelli said Ethan is the youth player with the most admiration from everyone so I'm looking to see how his own plays out.

The bolded is the reason I'm not too sad about Duberry even though I'm disappointed he's moving on. We fit claim say he's ready and good and all from wetin we dey watch from afar but Arteta and the crew fit have different ideas. Or perhaps, they just want a different approach.

Anyhow Sha, Na Nwaneri be the kid I believe they're looking for to promote. The hype and belief around him, even from our players as you rightly said is much.

Anyways, all these ones no matter as long as say we deh win trophies. Na just make we start to win the important trophies naim be the koko

PatientofYabale:


K my foot

Lmaoo... This one pain you well well oo

Kpele Sir

Jamiuokolla:


Most people are aware but unfortunately, they are living in denial....

Tourneys like this, I no dey even bother...probably till late knockout stage

Nobody doubts the quality of football have reduced drastically in recent years (esp in the eyes of viewers).

Football is harder now compared to before and it's more of a coaches' game than players' game.

germaphobe:
He was offered a contract with better pay but what broke the deal was the fact Arteta wanted to send him out on loan after the contract to mature and come back stronger, but he didn't fancy that choice. He wanted a defined direct route to the first team and Arsenal didn't give him that. Both parties tried but it just didn't work out well in the end.

....And tbh I don't blame him. All the people who were promised this under Arteta haven't been close to the first team. Even Patino that was highly rated in the academy don dey silent after he went out on loan. If it was under Wenger, I'm sure he would have jumped at the opportunity.

Anyways sha, na Arteta and the crew know wetin dem dey see for training cos me I feel he's ready to at least be a deputy and be given minutes in fa cup, Carabao cup and few minutes here and there in any of our comfortable wins.

Nobody for know say Dem Palmer, Yamal, kobbie and all are ready if they didn't give them minutes

afrodoc2:


I was just asking him for confirmation na because I didn’t watch the game.

Shegzdave:

I said this thing sometime ago cause I don’t see the importance of an Academy that can’t produce a single player that can transition to the first team.

To be honest, Arteta no try for that part at all

Truly, Arteta no try for that part. I personally I'm Sad duberry is leaving cos I feel he's ripe enough to be a deputy and squad player. And i understand Duberry's thought against going out on loan cos his predecessors who went out on loan from academy and being promised game time if they come back, none has made it(under Arteta), so I really understand his concern and I don't blame him(Patino a good example).

But it doesn't make to be looking outside when there's talent inside. Wishing him the very best tho

afrodoc2:


You don’t say.

I know wetin dey behind this talk doc but make I just fem.

Just know say you too like wahala

PatientofYabale:


I don't know waiting u dey find for this thread!!! Gboromideleru!!! Na only plate of rice your team don win since you have been playing good football for 2 years!! Waiting concern u for man u matter. at least fa cup did a lot of wonders. Waiting do wonder for unna team, abi you go tell me say na plate of rice.

Abeg go tell sit down for one place.. plate of rice collector!!

k

Spy360:

I am not saying that's the case with Tierney or any of those players you mentioned even though it could be. If diet or training regime was the simple solution, you think those players won't be pointed out? You think the club's won't cut their salaries whenever they violate the diet rules or get injured?

The fact about body make up is a scientific proven one. It's like school work. Some people are not just wired for school while some are. No technology or modern science as if today will make an slowpoke become a genius. No science will make a 6foot man become 4feet or vice versa.

Some people naturally have veins on their skin while some have theirs inside. These things are natural. Some players only need push ups to have stamina while some no matter what they do will not get to that level. Some players can run for 90mins while some can't.

Have you wondered why Nigeria is the best in Africa in sprints but Kenya and Ethiopia are the best in long distance? You think it's training and diet only?

We just have to accept it.

While I get your point but I think we're talking two different things but still I'll address the bolded.

For the first bolded, Clubs isn't a type of slave trade to players. Remember, this players are under contract so you can't slash their salary just because they have injury or don't follow nutrition regimen(except where stipulated otherwise which is very very rare). While club will do their best, but it's still up to the individual to try and improve or better themselves if possible. Players job is just to be available on the pitch and give their all. Sure, club will make the environment and facilities great for training and all but it's still up to the players to take personal responsibility to improve and discipline themselves. No club will babysit you like say you dey pry school. Remember say na adults you're dealing with. Rich adults for that matter.

As for the second bolded, thankfully Whites don't just "accept" it. I'm talking about improvement in fitness and ways whereby a player won't be having recurring injuries frequently. While I admit everybody's body is different but Science and technology have made those whose body is fragile to be stronger than how it ought to be. The said player just needs to put in the work. Remember, nobody will force dem to put in the work highest it's just to advise and do recommendation. With all those money and plenty enjoyment, it's not easy for most of these "fragile" players to be disciplined enough to see it through. Dembele Is a very big/good example.

eph12:

I don talk tire. E come be like say my own too much but I get coconut head

Fa cup really did a lot of wonders

Who would have thought

mostob:
Excellent point. Let me add that recovery time is also important. I read a report days ago where it was stated that Saka take recovery time serious. Like as soon as he got to the camp, he went to check out the recovery room, gym and other necessary accessories he will need for his recovery. He is also the last to leave after training session (at Arsenal)

You get am well. You see that recovery and nutrition, they said Saka takes it very very seriously. Like he doesn't joke with it at all.

If you check most of this top athletes that hardly go injuries ehhn, if you see their fitness regimen, Baba you go run

Na Ronaldo own be the Oga pata pata
I doubt any footballer can strictly follow that with discipline

Spy360:

You are right about diet. But that is for people who are already fit.

Just as people have bow legs or k legs etc,
some people's muscle structure cannot withstand the rigours of sports especially at that high levels. Many of them take steroids just to catch up which itself becomes detrimental in their future.

Some have the brain to play football but not the brawn.

You mean that with the advancement of nutrition, science and technology, those things can't be improved on or downright mitigated?? You believe that that will still be a limitation to players in this day and age?

I've read about most players who are mostly injury prone and one thing I realized is that most of them aren't putting in the work or making the sacrifices they need to make. It's not easy cos most will cut off most foods they cherish which they wouldn't want to AND also do more work to strengthen their bones, than what the average footballer do. Forget Steroids you gave cos that's even banned in sports

I remember reading on Partey beginning of last season (not this season that just passed) saying he will cut down on his noodles (cos he loves noodles well) and also do more of the recommended exercise so that he would tackle his recurring injuries that have plagued him consistently at arsenal. Do you think Partey being fit for most part of 2022/23 is just luck or coincidence?
Dembele (ex Barca player) is another good example cos this is someone who didn't follow Barca's dieting to prevent injuries.

There are ways to combat that bolded if one is unfortunately affected by it. One just needs to put in the work and do the necessary sacrifices.

I don't believe in this day and age, a good player " whose body is not built for high level football" still exists. Tierney should try and work on himself. Cut out some foods(that might trigger injury) if possible and get the best physios. He shouldn't just allow his talent to waste in his prime.

Ellexy:
You see the review isn't just about the manager as it is more about the way everything is run at the club. And to answer your question, every new Admin has goals and objectives and they'll assess whoever the current manager is to know they're all on the same page be it Guardiola or Klopp. Just that the situation at United is bad compared to the clubs you mentioned and the coach will always be under the spotlight.

Any new management that comes usually sticks with a coach they believe he's doing well. They might review other sections and admins and think about improvements but the coach won't be touched

For them to include Eth in the review and even go as far as granting interview to other coaches is an indictment on him.

Ellexy:
That's what new administrations do. They assess every position, it's not an indictment on ETH, it's just how it is. It also says a lot that the new administration rehired him after a thorough review process which naturally didn't favour him.

Are you sure it's not an indictment on Eth?

Let's put it this way. Do you think if a new management takes over Man City, Madrid or Liverpool (under Klopp), their respective managers would go through the thorough review Eth went?

Spy360:

Some people are not just built for sports

It's so sad.
I also think all these fragile players needs to watch their diet cos I don't believe in this time, age and invention, one's body won't be "built for sport".

One of the reasons Saka says he's durable is because he cut(completely stopped) eating pizza, Sugars (like Cakes, fizzy drinks and all) and also careful with the kind of food he takes.

Ronaldo lasting in the game for long too is the most popular example and inspiration about dieting. Most of these players should imbibe these into their sporting lives. I know it won't be easy but it's the sacrifice they need to make at least to last in the game.

If na person like Partey wey don old, it's understandable but not Prime Tierney. It's just so sad he's always breaking down recurrently, I just hope he does something about it.

Spy360:
E for better for Tierney to begin learning coaching now. That's how it happened for Klopp and Wenger and all those German young managers. If injury nor gree you start learning coaching early. It can give you over 30years career.

It's sad seeing him being limited because of injury.
I so hate it when a good player can't enjoy his footballing career because of injuries. It's so sad

mostob:
That's why Southgate still has his job sha.
Imagine the number of stars Julian left out of Germany's squad. If Southgate try am, he will collect sack the next day.

I think he even tried benching some stars.

Dem Rashford, Sterling, Grealish and Madison for done see shirt if na Southgate of before .

Na wetin give me small hope for England be that

ChristineC:
I told you the only thing you'll raise by the end of the season are your empty hands

Time differs

I raised something at the beginning of the season
Liverpool raised something in the middle of the season
You raised something at the end of the season

Las Las, all of us raised something


So I take it that this post was meant for Chelsea fans

germaphobe:

including who?. Germany goes home with the trophy
Musiala golden ball
Infact I don change golden boot, no be Kane again na mbappe

Lol...
No worries, we shall see

johnjunior39:



Me that is even seeing a Germany vs either Portugal or spain final

Lol...
This one you're seeing is Euros 2028