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I don't want to cheat; how long should I wait to have sex with my wife after our baby, the urge is killing and masturbation is out of the question?!... |
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DelTel: |
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Please, does anyone know the actual price of an "A" grade NOT brand new Toyota Camry Muzzle or/and Corola S class in Nigeria (an area near you)? I want to buy one ASAP as long as the price is good and the vehicle is in sound condition. WAITING... |
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[quote author=gabson02 post=97737341][/quote] Thanks. |
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URGENT!!! House, I want to sent my sister's birth certificate from Abuja to Accra via DHL. Please does anyone genuinely know the rate of price (just to avoid all these touts and corrupt staff trying to milk me dry)? Thanks. |
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Lifestyle related ailment... |
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Na this kind old man born these small-small children, abeg where are his grown children from his REAL wife not this TROPHY one? 3 Likes 1 Share |
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BOUGHT land on the moon ...And paid to who... GOD?! |
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PatrickOkunima:Child abuse! |
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DebbieBianca:Hope he doesn't grow up to be a criminal... |
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Muna4real:DO YOU KNOW WHAT MARRIAGE REALLY MEANS? How many times did you hear that your father raped your mother? that's because the older ones understand marriage better... not all these INDOMIE generation! |
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Muna4real:DO YOU KNOW WHAT MARRIAGE REALLY MEANS? |
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The baby head strong! |
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Ma guy from way back Rythyms FM Abuja |
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Fraudster... His death is NOT ordinary, person wey him scam don swear for am. Na the curse don catch am so. The girls na collateral damage. What's y una girls go dey careful d kind man una follow and open legs for. *NOT ALL THAT GLITTERS IS GOLD!* 2 Likes |
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Later down the line, Erica will go on social media to claim Kidd raped her on terrestrial TV...ashawos... Mchteeeew! |
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Zephyr1: Noooooo... By swapping, I mean taking my dead decoder to Mytv office to update it by taking another one a newer version and paying a token. The payment won't be as high as buying a fresh or new one totally because you're not a fresh customer, just updating. Thus, if the price of a new one is 14k, by swapping, I might just pay about 5k or 7k like that. That was what I was told by the technicians. But only at their (Mytv/Strong), offices. I just want to know from my tech family here if anyone has an idea of how much it might require. Thanks man, I do appreciate!
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Compliments family. Lately my Strong SRT 4675A decoder suddenly stopped working. As in it went dead. Power was not coming on. I thought it had to do with the power side of the decoder so I took it to 2 different technicians who all advised that I go swap it for one of the HD newer versions, that the problem is not the power side but the board is dead. The thing is, in this current economic situation, I'm kind of in a budget but I do miss some of the programmed channels on that decoder because they are free unlike the others you have to subscribe periodically with increased tariffs. Please, does anyone know how much it is to swap an old Strong or Mytv decoder for a new one? Thanks family. |
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I thought Burutai said they were ready to surrender... Lol! |
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Publicity stunts! I know these types, his face alone shows he's he's struggling and campaigning for popularity. Mtcheeeew...� 12 Likes 1 Share |
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Wolgrace:Bro, you seem to misunderstand me. I don't mean tax (for earthly governments), I mean tithe (religious 10% giving). Try to know the origin of tithe first from the days of Abraham before responding. Thanks. |
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Wolgrace:In what form please, cash or kind? Waiting... |
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Make dem kill themselves naaa... After all, na for Bahari home state! Wetin consign agbero with overload... |
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Recently, I read with shock and dismay here on Nairaland Forum how men of God use tithe as a weapon to inflict fear of the curse of God on an individual for not financially paying his tithe and Bishop Oyedepo was cited on this forum. My question is: How scriptural is tithing when the death of Jesus Christ abolished the LAW? What is preached in the New Testament is cheerful giving and NOT giving by any form of compulsion! Please read with comprehension this excerpt drawn for a WhatsApp group chat in a form of a discuss between a judge and a pastor and judge for yourself. Pastor Jones jailed for telling members to tithe 10% of their incomes. Courtroom exchanges between a Judge of the Law and Pastor Jones. The truth about tithing (unknown author) Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income as per the LAW to your Regd. organization (called Church) and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them. How do you plead? Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor, I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold. Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold? Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you. Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he? Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right. Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: No. Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: Well, just once. Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week? Mr. Jones: No it does not. Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war? Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war? Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says. Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe? Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate. Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else? Mr. Jones: I guess not Judge: You guess not, you are a teacher and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone? Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen. Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder? Judge: So plunder could be any number of things? Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct? Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people. Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all? Mr. Jones: That is right. Judge: I only have one last question for you Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily. Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local Regd.Organization-church? Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain. Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example. Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones. Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you." Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs example, is that right Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too. Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right? Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant. Judge: What did you mean then? Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also. Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time. Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow. Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place. Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe. Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local organizational institutions -churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence. Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us. Judge: Answer me this Mr Jones, Who was God Speaking to here? Mr Jones: To the People of Israel Judge: Can you please read Malachi 2: 1 Please Mr Jones Mr Jones: Now This command is for you O PRIEST !! Judge: Did God stop talking to the Priest in chp. 3 Mr Jones? Mr Jones: No your Honor! Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money? Mr. Jones: No I didn't know that. Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money. Mr. Jones: well your Honor that is because they didn't have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead. Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses? Mr. Jones: I don't know Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to nation under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding. Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money? Mr. Jones: I do not know of any. Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did? Mr. Jones: Man must have. Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have? Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe. Judge: Ok let me hear it. Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing. Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to? Mr. Jones: The scripture says the Scribes and Pharisees. Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee? Mr. Jones: Of course not. Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones: No. Judge: Why not? Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it. Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law? Mr. Jones: When He was crucified. Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death? Mr. Jones: That is correct. Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you? Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also. Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing? Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin. Judge: Is money mentioned? Mr. Jones: No it was not. Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say? Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, staff salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people. Judge:By "church" you mean your organization isn't it Mr Jones ? -The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Does It Mr Jones? In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones. -The tithe was never money; -The tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings. - We are under a new covenant now. Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart. If they determine to Give 10% well and good, If they keep aside some every week to meet this more better.If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason even blessing, you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If 'your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all. Mr Jones, Do you intentionally put your people under a Curse or a Bondage? Mr Jones: Of Course Not !! Judge: Can you Read in context Gal 3:10-11 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them .... AND Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.... Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it. Yes ' am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore. Sentencing....... All Arise .......!! Now what's your take on tithing? |
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What exactly are the selection criteria please? That would determine how to judge who will become the best candidate to be considered... That is, if politics no enter this thing... |
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If na woman another man do this tin today person no go get ear hear anything again because of wetin all the "irrational" women apologists go de talk up and down... I pity de man sha, no more kerewa again. 6 Likes |
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I see stardom coming up... maybe future house of reps member... 3 Likes |
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In these hard times, apart from God, all I have to fall back on when the grind is rough are:
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Dear, you have a very special gift but you DO NOT know and understand it yet. You were designed and predestined to be a prophetess but if you don't exploit this gift quickly enough, the devil will bastardize it for evil! Think of the native/witch doctors, do you think they were predestined by God to be who they are? You are very special indeed! The power of life and death is in the tongue. Pray fervently and locate a Bible believing and practicing church to obtain tutelege from a senior pastor or prophet. That's my opinion for you. However, in my years of observing mystics, I know possess females or "wives of deities or water spirits or ogbanjes" possess similar powers too. Some come from jealousy of these spirits retaliating against anyone that hurts their beloved. In my case, I don't even have to cry out. My bitterness and pain against such persons beings judgment to pass quickly from God! Whatever be the case, my candid advice to you is to locate a true man of God that can guide you in your calling as I have for I can see and when I speak it comes to pass. I know one here in Laura District of Abuja in a "small church"! 3 Likes |
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Lately, there has been rampant viral messages on WhatsApp especially, claiming that the payment of the much talked about 20k promised by the federal government to alleviate the sufferings and hardships of the masses has commenced. Of course, I know it's fake as unsuspecting ones will fall prey to scammers, but I want to this medium to categorically asked: Has any nairalander here or abroad received any money in whatever nomenclature close to the 20k so solemnly promised by the federal govt, abi last-last this thing na federal scam?! MOD, please forward to front page for faster response. Thanks. |
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Majek in New York 5 Likes |
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My own basic worry is the foreign "borrow-borrow" everywhere! This will surely impoverish future Nigerians the more. Your children's future has been morgaged! |
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