me051:

@MJ2008
she submitted an identification letter from her employer as proof of her employment and 6 months acct statement showing her monthly salary from her company. we do wish 4 an overturn cos we cant do more than we ve done so far
will the embassy inform her if they wish to forward to AIT? cos right now we dont know d appeal status

Yeah you will be informed by the embassy regarding your appeal if it goes to AIT, anyway AIT will send you the acknowledgement as well

lucksee:

Thank you  MJ2008 for your help so far.

I have now got all  the documents the ECO asked for in the refusal letter. What i would like to know is can i send them to the application centre where i was refused for the ECO to check,even though i have loged an appeal with AIT?

I dont think you can do that, but you can try to send a letter with your new docs addressed directly to the ECO.

denmzy47:

I would like everyone in the travel section to help me out on this.i read thru these  travel section ever since the time i applied for a an entry visa to the UK for guides. For security i would hold back personal information.so, i applied for working holiday maker before it was scrapped to point base scheme and was denied but appealed which took several months and finally i won the appeal and was called to present some documents; bank statements, letter of employment, payslips, and internatonal passport. which i submitted and my bank was called which my account officer informed me of. actually i was given a slip to come back after 2weeks which i did go back and was told its not ready yet,and i should check back in 2weeks time again whcih after a week i tot i should send a mail to them regarding my case and which i got a reply the next day that it still not ready yet.after the 2 weeks given i decided to go over with my slip to ask as it is 2weeks already and to my suprise it still not ready and was told by the guy i met in room 2 to send  a male to them again as he told me maybe its yet to be prepared. i got furious and went back home and even called some nairalanders on this travel section on this issue and was told not to worry that it will be ready.before the end of this week i got a male to check back again after 1 week and i really don't know wat to do now, either to mail them again or wat do you guys think i should do?

You should write a strong letter to the embassy stating what has happened, and to follow up regarding your allowed appeal.

awoll:

@MJ2008,

hi, i got a call from the uk embassy telling to take my international passport to their office on any working day,

but i didnt get a chance to ask which (if the visa application at oregun-billingsway or the british embassy at walter carrington) will do,

also if to attach anything like a recent bank statement,

where did submit yours and with what else did u do? pls, i await your reply,

thanks so much for ur unflinching support to me and others u'v taken out time to advise,

It means upon going there and presenting your passport your visa will be given right away. I think you have to go to where you originally submitted your application.

You are much welcome I am glad that I could be of help !

samdams:

@MJ2008 Thanks alot , But i want to know how many months will i print out in my account statement for me to attach  it to my application for submission ?

The rule says at least 28 days before your app but you can submit anywhere from 3 mos to 6 mos imo.

lucksee:

Thanks for you reply,

Can you please give me some info as to how i can lodge my call with the embassy that refused my visa, Do i fax the appeal form provided by the ECO to the embassy? If so can i provide copies of new evidence via fax to the embassy? or does everything need to be original? All i need to provide is Land regisrty copies, and a declaration from parents that i can live with them, and parents payslips. That is all i need to provide. My legal rep is asking for £2000 for taking the case to court and preparing some papers, thats why am thinking of sending the papers to the ECO.

I think there is no fax facility in lodging an appeal to an embassy, you can do that with the AIT only.  You have to mail it to the embassy i.e. filled up Form AIT-2 along with your grounds and all relevant documents.  Paying GBP2k is a rip off imo, just do it yourself.  Address point per point the ECO's reasons in his notice of refusal and provide sufficient evidence to counter the eco's allegations.  New evidence are also welcome.

@ sam

I think you can go ahead with your app, it's the eco's duty to verify re your accom

@ lucksee

If you want the eco to see your evidences first, then I suggest you lodge your appeal with the embassy instead of AIT in UK. If you can provide a strong grounds of appeal there is a chance that the orig. decision be overturned. Good luck!

me051:

hi everyone. im highly impressed by the way ppl respond to others prob. im new to this forum and hope i can get response from u lovely ppl.
my mum's visiting visa app was denied. the reason is that she did not show evidence of her circumstances in nigeria- employment. she actually submited an invitation letter from my hubby, his bank statement, my acct statement n my new baby pics, sponsorship letter 4rm my father in law and his bank statement with a very large balance, letter 4rm her office 2 show she's been granted annual leave, letter from my hubbys school 2 show he's paid his 1st,2nd and part of his final fees even thogh he was in 2nd yr then, tenancy agreement. infact we submited all we could just 2 let this ppl know dat she's only coming 2 see her 1st grandchild and has no plans of living in the uk. she was given the appeal pack which she filled and submited(paper hearing and no representative). she submited this on the 14/05/09 @ BHC Abuja with her bank statement showing her monthly salary, sponsors statement & identification letter from her employer. we focused on the reason for denial by the ECO and so didnt put all other docs used in her first application cos they were not returned with the refusal letter so they should still have them.
its 5weeks now and i would like to know how long it takes 4 AIT to acknowledge the receipt of the appeal and also if the docs submitted are ok cos its paper hearing.
would also lik to know when to contact the AIT office about this appeal cos 4 now we dont know wats happening and do not trust the nigerian postal services.

ur response will be much appreciated. God bless

Did your mum submit an employment certification from her company? Since you lodged your appeal at the embassy, you have to wait for their reply. They can overturn the original decision or forward your appeal to the AIT in UK. You will be informed in due time like 6-8 weeks I think.

samdams:

@MJ2008, Thanks alot for that Advice , I have checked the School and its accredited by the London Borad of Schools , I have scanned them the refusal letter just as they told me to do and now they have resend me another Unconditional letter and also the Visa Letter .About the Funding my sponsor has put the whole money into the account and thats where i am afraid of cause he put all the money into the account all at once , will that affect it ?

As for your funding situation, be sure that you let the embassy know as to the origin of your money.  Maybe you can submit a receipt for fund transfer from your sponsor.

awoll:



@mj2008,

hi, how are you? please to which email address did you send the embassy an email?

please reply,  did they call you before you sent the email or after?

I'm fine thank you   They contacted me after I sent the email and a follow up letter.  Pls check the website of the UK embassy for the address. 

erico2k2:


I suggest that you coordinate with your lawyer closely regarding your strategy to counter the Sec of State's challenge against your allowed appeal. If possible, a second opinion with other lawyer aside from your present one.

Good luck!

erico2k2:

MJ200, the review has been granted oh, thats what Im talking about,they made the application within the 5 days limit,so the S of S granted it, we got the letter already

I think you should consult an immigration lawyer in the UK. Maybe you need representation in the hearing, it is important to know the grounds the Sec of State used against the judge's decision.

Good luck!

peter2010:

Can anyone in the house let me know what is happening at british high commission nigeria concerning my brother uk visa application it's has been like a month he submitted but till now no response from them, though it's another application when the first was refused. Is the IT problem they av that is affecting it or what? Someone hinted me dat maybe it's sucessful and in queue for approval. Plz let me know what is happening.

If I am not mistaken your brother's case is about work permit, right? I think there is a new rule concerning this, pls check the new Tier 1 General or something.

paramajit:

hello cvibe,
   thnx so much for reply.i spoke with the school and told they dont know when to get the license yet from BAC but my friend who is already in the school told me that when he went for the new admission letter,he was told to bring my printed front page of my passport ,3 passport and the credentials which i used in applying but i am scared if they give me the new admission letter and later they were not accredited by the British Council,would i have problem of obtaining my VISA or is it possible i pay for part payment of another school and make it the same course and take it to the british high commission in abuja that called me.i awaits your response and thx for the response cvibe.God bless you

Maybe your school is awaiting for their license approval, meanwhile submit copies of your passport & credentials bec. they will be needing it for the new visa letter.  Just keep in touch with the school as to when are they going to get their accreditation.   Meanwhile be patient and wait for a positive result.

@ erico

The State has applied for a review of the allowed appeal which means that they can do so on the grounds of error of law, you have to wait for the response of the AIT whether they will accept the State's application for review.

samdams:

Hello to Every one on here , I am just a new member i register cause i have my own side of the story on this Visa problem and i think i will get help on here , Here is my story and i will need help on this,
Sometime last year i applied for a Visiting Visa in the UK, I was denied cause i have insuficient funds in my account , So i lost interest in going there but now i have a great interest to study in the UK.Before the Points Based System was introduced I applied as a student , Which i know that i put the necassary documents required cause i made alot of reserch from the internet before going to submit , Then i was refused again this time the reason is that i didnt Show relationship between me and my sponsor cause my inlaw was the one sponsoring me,they also told me i didnt state that i was once a worker in a company which i applied last yr as a visitor , Then the last reason was i didnt put my Original WAEC CERTIFICATE,(I didnt put that cause i went to the waec office and they told me is not ready yet is after 3 yrs of finishing your secondary scholl before you will be able to get the Original certificate from them .) and i have paid for the whole 3 yrs fee and also paid 2 months of my accomodation fee, and they told me i have the right of appeal which i dont want to . So i gather all the docs they ask from me , I went to my working place to get a Notifacation letter addressed to the Embassy and also went to Waec office to explain to them and they gave me a Confirmation of Result to give the Embassy and l also get enough evidence to show that my sponsor is my inlaw .Then submit the application again , After about 1 month 2 weeks i was asked to come over to get my Application on getting there i was refused and this time here is the reason,
VISA LETTER 30 POINTS CLAIMED BUT THEY TOLD ME I DONT HAVE THAT .

In view of the fact that the letter you have submitted from South London College Does Not Contain the Mandatory information as specified in the guidiance you have not been awarded any points for the Visa Letter .You therefore do not meet the requirements to be granted entry clearance under Tier 4 General Student and i refused your application under Paragraph 245zv b of the Immigration Rules

MAINTENANCE 10 POINTS CLAIMED BUT THEY TOLD ME THAT I DONT HAVE THAT WHICH I DONT UNDERSTAND .

You have Claimed 10 Points for funds under Appendix C of the Immigration Rules and you state that you are being financially sponsored by your brother in law,Cary Wilger. How Ever as Tier 4 (General)Student you are required to show that you personally hold the required level of funds.The Documents you have Provided do not Demonstarte that you are personelly in Possession of the required levels of funds.I am therefore not Satified that you have achieved 10 points under the paragraphs 10 to 13 of Appendix C and meet the requirements to be granted entry clearance under Tier 4 (General)Student) I therefore refused your application under Paragraph 245ZV (c)of the Immigration Rules.
,
I am tired and dont know what to do now .
I need an advice on this please , help me on this , i emailed my school and told them to change the date of my course to July .So do you all think i should on this, ?

You can re apply at the same time lodge an appeal from your second application. Just address what has been raised in your refusal ie prove your relationship by providing concrete evidence such as your birth cert & your sister plus their marriage contract. You have also to present a certification of employment from work. I think you have a chance at appeal.

The new tier 4 is also quite tricky, it has new requirement from the visa letter, the old content of the visa letter does not cut it anymore. The school has to provide specific reasons in the visa letter why you were accepted. So look for that detail in your new visa letter.

Regarding 10 points for funding, I think the funds should be in your own personal account at least 28 days before application. Pls take note also of the required fundings, if you will stay within London area more funds are needed.

awoll:

hi mj2008, pataki, cvibe, mr crackles and everyone else! my sister called to tell me that d immigration judge allowed my appeal! praise God oo! i expect them to call me in the next few weeks!

il keep u all informed about each progress, thanks for ur advices and support particularly mj2008! God bless

You're welcome So happy for you.

The embassy already called me up and I am now awaiting for my student visa, praise God!

awoll:

hi mj2008,


how are u? what's the situation with your progress now? was a copy of your determination faxed or emailed to the embassy here in lagos? or would we have to do teither of that? i haven't received an actual copy now, just that my sister scanned me copies of it,

what do we expect next? i heard it takes from four to six weeks before they call? true?

just checking, anyways, keep me informed, thanks, and God bless,

You will have your own copy mailed to you soon. Once you got it, you can email the embassy to inform that you got a positive result from your appeal. And wait for their reply and call, either way. About 1 month after the promulgation of your appeal.

tamed:

Hello all,

I was wondering if you guys know how long it takes for the visa office in lagos to issue a visa. You see, my mother won her appeal for a visiting visa back in february and the judge instructed the visa office to issue her a visa but she has still not heard anything from them. She has tried to go to their office but they would not let her in, their phone numbers are not working and nobody is answering my emails. Do you guys know what step I can take next? I normally wouldn't mind them taking so long and I am very grateful to God that we won the appeal but my mother is supposed to be here for my wedding next month so now I'm just panicking/praying.

Thanky you

The rules say up to 2 months after receiving the copy of the determination. You can write a follow up letter to the embassy.

grillade4u:

was the decision not overturned by the ECM? I was hoping

Your appeal will now be forwarded to the AIT by the post (British Embassy) if you have submitted the AIT-2 form to them.

grillade4u:

@MJ2008
@FUNKYBABE
@AKOLAWOLE
@ EVERYONE THAT CAN HELP!!!!!

Pls i have jus been notified that they are proceeding on a full appeal. Did the law firm goof?? OR is that the procedure after u put in the appeal. WHAT'S FULL APPEAL

I thought you lodged your appeal direct to the AIT but it's obvious your lawyer did it with the post. Get in touch with your lawyer as to what docs did he submit. Did he submit the Notice of Appeal form and your Grounds of Appeal? You should be able to SET OUT your grounds clearly and be able to reason out and provide evidence as much as possible. I'm afraid your lawyer may have just written a letter of reconsideration otherwise why would you be notified for a FULL appeal? Pls confirm this with your lawyer.

To Shanga, this might be helpful

Entry Clearance Guidance - General Instructions

27.6 - Processing appeal documents
Original documents submitted by the appellant must be preserved in the condition in which they were received. If they are received in mutilated condition put them in envelopes. Do not punch holes in them or staple them. Original documents that you are satisfied with, should be returned to the appellant after being photocopied with the Post stamp clearly shown on the photocopy.


You can cite this to the AIT in your request.

no need to contact the law firm. since you are the appellant you are allowed to make follow up/inquiry. just quote your post ref from notice of decision, your bday, country of origin that's it and then wait for about 4 weeks. bec. it usually take some time for your appeal to be uploaded in their database. best of luck!

dearstan:

@MJ2008, Akolawale,
I didn't quite follow the story of yettidear's appeal denial, but am i correct to think that her visa trouble emanated from a false tax clearance document. From akolawale's last post, he stated that he foresaw a denial of her appeal - my actual question is what do you think went wrong in yettidear's case?
A cousin of mine actually has a similar case, he got refused a uk visa twice reason being that he unknowingly submitted a false tax clearance of his uncle's company - he was served a 10year ban on second refusal, and he proceeded with an appeal on the grounds that he was not aware of the authenticity of the document.

Can anyone advice on this issue, what the chances of his appeal being allowed?

it is very difficult to defend such cases, you should hire a brilliant immigration lawyer for this. falsification of docs is a grievous offense one that the embassy takes seriously. your cousin must convince the judge as to the circumstances which lead to your cousin's innocence on the false submission of that pertinent doc.

Awoll, if i were in your shoes, i will not mention to the judge that i have started nysc in nigeria at this point in time, anyway you have not yet finished your nysc yet. I think you do need an evidence for your intention to return such as school certification that you still have to undergo your nysc. It's better if you stop your nysc programme for awhile.


@ Grillade

it's Customer.Service@tribunals.gsi.gov.uk, you can make follow up with this email add

@ dearstan

I think they are the same, Paper & oral hearing have the same time line ie bet. 6-12 mos

Awoll, the important thing is that you explained in details about NYSC and its importance in your life plans.  But then you already started your NYSC instead of after your UK trip, right?  In that case, just finish the module and do not get your certification yet.  So its as if like you didn't finish your NYSC yet and came back for your certification after your UK trip.  Since, the judge do not know whether you started NYSC yet, he will not question your sis regarding that.  Did you state extensively in your witness statement about your plans after your UK trip? I think that's very relevant in your case.

Do you think the judge will take your case favorably if you inform him that the very reason for your coming back to Nigeria will be known to him?

Thanks Awoll

I think this is a useful link for you http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/ecg/appeals/aplforposts


Yeah your sis can do that, she could tell the judge that she has sufficient funds to support you whilst you are in the UK. Your sis should be able to submit bank statement as supporting evidence. Regarding your going back to Nigeria, if you have explained in details your intention to go back then there is no need for the judge to question your sis regarding this matter.

shanga:


MJ2008 I WISH U SUCESS IN UR APPEAL.

Thanks Shanga !


Hello Everyone! Good news, my sis from UK called today to inform that she got her copy of my determination and that the AIT Immig Judge has allowed my e appeal. Thank God and Glory & Praise to Him ! I will now wait for my own copy (maybe it will arrive on Monday) and will email the Embassy to update them.
Just would like to say thanks a bunch to everyone here for the support and guidance most especially to Mr. Pataki, Akolawe, & others whose inputs were most helpful.

@ Awoll

As long as you have explained thoroughly your intention to return to your country after your studies, there is no cause for worry. You should have explained very well your plans after your studies in your grounds and refer to it as well in your witness statement. Your sis do not have to explain to the judge. Good luck !

@ Grillade

If you have already submitted your Notice of Appeal, you can also make a follow up to the AIT via the customer care, you can see the email add I had given to Shanga. The AIT will notify you once they have registered your appeal in the data base, about 1 month. Then wait for your hearing notice, about 12 weeks or so.

shanga, you can email the AIT at Customer.Service@tribunals.gsi.gov.uk and inquire about the possibility of additional submission of orig. docs and request them to mail back after. It is critical that these originals should reach the hands of the AIT as it is the immig judge that's going to decide your case. AIT customer service is quite effecient in that they endeavor to reply/attend to inquiries at hand asap.

@ shanga

Since your student visa application was made before the Tier 4 effective date which is 31 Mar 2009, your appeal proceeds.  Student visa apps from  31 Mar 2009 going forward, will no longer be allowed to appeal but will have administrative review instead as per the new Tier 4 rules.

I am now waiting for my appeal determination, my case was heard on 27 Mar 2009.  My sister was the one who attended the hearing as my rep and she said that the hearing lasted 10 minutes and there was no rep from home office presenting officer unit either. 

Hope you submitted the original docs as your case involves the eco not satisfied with the certified copies.  I think the AIT will just make photo copies of the orig docs and you can request that your originals be mailed back to you.  Pls contact/email the AIT customer service for this.

God bless!

LOL just making some clarifications re grounds of appeal, of course those grounds are too broad and hard to defend!

I think he violated " Audi alteram partem" for deciding that I cannot enter the UK without first hearing from my side via scheduled interview and "Nemo judex in causa sua" for the ECO's bias views.

Would also like to enter as grounds how my basic human rights ie access to quality of education was affected as a result of the ECO's decision.

Mr Pataki what do you think?
Vor? Akole? Funky? Pls help out, thanks

@Mypeace

Just contact the embassy concerned in your country. If the staff is frequently travelling maybe you can get visit visa, if UK is the destination, the British Embassy or British High Comm as the case maybe. In this case, you do NOT deal directly with the embassy but UK VAC or UK Visa Application Center a.k.a. VFS. Tip: You can google VFS in your country's webpage. You can have all the info needed. Hope this helps.

Hey guys, just finalizing my letter of appeal,

Do you think I will include in my grounds for appeal the fact that I didn't have an interview with the eco and that the eco violated one of the principle of natural justice which is on hearing out the aggrieved party?

Shall I also mention that my sponsor was not contact in case the eco doubts about my sponsor's willingness to take out a loan?

Pls advise, thanks & God bless

@ Mr Pataki, VVVJustice, Yomickey, Presjany, Akola :

Thank you for your advises, Guys, your inputs are highly appreciated. My sister in UK has a full time job and owns a house, she is just awaiting for my visa approval before proceeding with the loan to be sure. However, I already told her to proceed with the loan so that I can submit the document needed in my appeal. Also, I am getting another sponsor to be on the safe side.

My course MBA in Financial Services is a new course being offered at the Univ of Greenwich and this kind of specialization is not available here in the Philippines. Maybe the ECO thinks that all MBAs are the same (I can't blame him though for being such ignorant in this matter!!!)

Thanks and God bless All

@ Mr Pataki

Thanks for your replies

Re your question, I can nominate my sister in UK but she is from Dartford, Kent, I have no idea how far is the AIT from her place.

I guess an appeal is the way to go. I am talking to an immig consultant about my appeal, and suggests that it be lodged here at the embassy. I have also requested my school for a letter of reconsideration to be addressed to the ECO concerned.

Praying and hoping I can have my visa soon,

@ Mr Pataki Mabuhay!  thanks for the swift reply 

Magandang Umaga means good morning in Tagalog 

At first, I really wanna appeal my case but it's kinda long, I don't think I can wait 6mos to 1 yr. But I am also worried that I'll be refused
again and waste another GBP99 for the embassy fee 

What I plan is to appeal first then while waiting re-apply and add a co-sponsor, what do you think?  Do I have a leverage if I do that?
Can you also suggest some grounds of appeal for me pls,  I have actually done a draft of it.  What's best and fast, to lodge it in the
embassy to be resolved soon by the ECO or at the AIT UK where it will take some time.  I think the process goes like if one submits  it to
the AIT, the case will be referred back to the embassy in manila. So I am a bit confused on this. Pls advise.

If I re-apply the fact that I am unemployed, will the ECO take it against me? Cuz I just recently quit my job in a bank, didn't expect that
I will be refused a visa.  How do I counter-act this?

Actually my course is a new one at the Univ of Greenwich and I don't think it's available here in the Phils. What portion of the VAF3 do I state this? How do I prove to the ECO that I am a genuine student cuz in the refusal he demonstrated that he is doubting.  In my previous app I stated that as soon as I finished my studies I'll be putting up my own business in my country. But in general the ECO seems not satisfied with my answers in the section 6 of the VAF3 which is so disappointing in my part.  How do I remedy this?

Sorry for all these queries but I hope you can answer them 

Hi All!! I am new here and I am from Manila, been browsing this thread for the past 2 days and I must say it's very educational and helpful.

I applied for a UK Student Visa and got my refusal letter with a right to appeal just this week,

British Embassy Manila ECO's reasons are:

You state that you wish to study for an MBA in Financial Services at Greenwich University for a period of 1-yr. I note that you are currently unemployed. You have provided me with no credible explanation as to why you have chosen to study in the UK rather than in the Phils given the cost of your studies. Given your financial circumstances you have not made clear that such seemingly disproportionate expenditure has been fully taken into account and that it is either reasonable or credible.

You have also failed to explain how this UK qualification will be of more benefit to you rather than the equivalent Filipino qualification. YOu have stated in your application that you chose the course because the UK course leads to an internationally recognised certificate. However, I am aware that TESDA (Technical Educ and Skills Dev Authority) who are a gov't body of the Philippines do offer similar MBA courses. These courses are also internationally recognised. I note that you have already taken a BS degree course in Bus Administration here in the Philippines. Therefore I fail to see why you would need to go to the UK to learn skills that you already have or can study here in the Philippines.

There are numerable reputable educational establishments offering similar courses, which are reasonably priced. Bearing this in mind, you have not satisfactorily explained why you wish to take a 1-yr MBA in the UK. I would expect a genuine student to find out about locally available courses and make a cost/benefit assessment before deciding to study overseas. You failed to do this and you propose to spend a substantial proportion of money on studies in the UK. I am not satisfied that you have explained your actual motive for going to the UK.

I note from your application that your sister will fund your entire trip and studies. You have also submitted a letter from your sister that says she will be taking out a loan to pay for these studies. I do not find it credible that she would do so given that your course is available here at a fraction of the cost. I also see that she has a dependant child. I am not satisfied that you intend to follow this course and I am not satisfied that you will be maintained in the UK for 1 yr without recourse to unauthorised employment and/or public funds.
_________

My sister is a naturalised Brit and has a 2 yr old son and husband who has a job. I intend to appeal, what's my chance of success? And since the programme will start Sept 22 am planning to re-apply as well.

Pls help me out guys, any advise and inputs greatly appreciated.
Mr Pataki? and the rest of this house' experts