pat077: Why is there just two teams 4rm italy? I thought d first three 4rm d serie A will get automatic qualification.

Udinese got eliminated from qualifiers yesterday..

emmke: Group A
Barcelona Arsenal
Man city Valencia
Juventus
Borussia Dortmund

Done

Wildcard no?

Lord_Reed:

He isn't the same with The Father. Jesus points to Whom you should worship, The Father

John 4:21,23
King James Version (KJV)
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Then how is he a god when he isn't to be worshipped?

Enigma:

If you put it that way I won't object just for the sake of simplicity but, personally, I would express it differently.

Yes, as God Jesus knows everything. If you are in doubt, get a Bible with His words in red ----- and read his words in the book of Revelation. (For this purpose, even if you do not believe the Bible, you will have to agree that it is the reference point for this thread).

Well...i still dont get it...On his time on earth as man and god did he know? if yes why didn't tell? if no why?

CrazyMan:
First, I would like to use the passage Omo Alata quoted to reply you.

Genesis 5:4
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Although the bible didn't tell us where cain's wife originated from, but its is obvious that he married his sister.

Remember that Lot slept with his daughters...
Genesis 19:31-36
One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father."

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I slept with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father.


Even though lot was drunk, truth is that he slept with his daughters, and that single act enabled the world regained its population after the fire of sodom and gomorrah.


Also in Genesis 29:10-12

 When Jacob saw Rachel daughter of his uncle Laban, and Laban's sheep, he went over and rolled the stone away from the mouth of the well and watered his uncle's sheep. 11 Then Jacob kissed Rachel and began to weep aloud. 12 He had told Rachel that he was a relative of her father and a son of Rebekah. So she ran and told her father.

We can also see in this passage that Jacob also married his cousin, who also is a blood relation.


Now back to the issue of cain...the bible told us in Genesis 5:3-4

When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters

Now since the bible didn't actually specify who cain's wife was as I stated earlier, it gave us reasonable facts that she was indeed Adam's daughter.

Adam was 130 years old when he gave birth to Seth. And had other daughters...now Adam lived for a total of 930 years before departing this world.

Now its very possible that during that space of time...cain possibly took one of his sisters and married her. Why that verse looks confusing is that in verse 16-17 of Genesis 4

So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

17 Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch.

It told us of how cain got married and but didn't emphasize on the identity of his wife.

But its very obvious that he didn't leave God's presence alone...pointing out one possible fact that he took his sister along with him, and ended up marrying her.

Mtswww

You again...did you run and leave your thread? Sodom and Gommorah was just a city and its destruction had nothing to do with the world's populations...they were egyptians,abraham and many others...You bible knowledge sha

Who were those in Noah in the land of Nod? Abi only him was building a city?

Weed-at-work

Enigma:

First of all don't be misled by all kinds of things that you read here; what the Bible teaches is that Jesus IS God; he is God the Son where we also have God the Father and God the Holy Spirit all as part of One God The Trinity. ((This issue has been discussed extensively on other threads and if you want I can provide some links later )

Now to your question: the traditional Christian teaching and understanding is that whilst on earth Jesus was fully God and fully man ---- this is called the hypostatic union. However, Jesus had to do many things as a man ----in order to fulfil His purpose; in particular He had to die as a man; He can't die as God or even merely as "spirit" anyway.

So when Jesus says, He didn't know the day, time or hour etc ---- that was simply Jesus functioning as a man and with the limitations of functioning as simply a man in that particular respect.

He's hybrid right? So he's god side knew?

Lord_Reed:

Just as ijawkid has said the question has been answered. Jesus is not The Father, He is Co-Regent (my word) thus is God since He acts as God ie has the authority and power but The Father reserves certain matters for Himself.

No confusion.

So he isn't same with god then? So its safe to worship 3 gods...

Cool

pastie: No,am not satısfy wıt ur answer at all,how can he be just a man,when he was born wıthout undergoıng same procedure we undergo(man+woman)

So, he is not the first person to be born that way...

Mee234: Yeah. It is a compliment. U try say u even dey read am, but u no understand am. Some of ur a explanations are way off the mark.

Why dont you correct them for the benefit of all...not just talk

Mr_Anony:
Wow! how wrong you are. What you have just said is like if I said mass is the same as force because f=mg or velocity is the same as distance since v=m/s
Anyway I'll leave you with that. . . .but then even if I allow matter to neither be created nor destroyed, you have still failed to show me something that begins to exist but has no cause.
If you define something as "cannot be created nor destroyed" you have essentially said that it cannot begin to exist or cease to exist therefore it is silly to now say that something causes it to begin to exist after saying it cannot begin to exist.

Plaetton is making reference to wave-particle paradox which is perfectly interchangeable in physics...and you of course there's an energy/matter balance.... matter is destroyable cause The Sun "destroys" 4 and a quarter tonnes of mass every second, in order to produce 385,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts of power but creation of matter/energy is the tricky part...but matter was actually condensed out from energy due to temperature cooling...

musKeeto: At first, I was like
then
then
finally, I just burst out laughing..

I expect one group of Christians will defend this with Bible verses, the other group will attack it with Bible verses. Then there will be the foools that will quote 'touch not my annoin-thieves and give my pro-flirts no ham'..

As an agnostic, I begin to wonder: isn't the so called Holy Spirit one?

Mee234: The only thing the poster has done so far is to show that he reads the bible. Though with little understanding of it.

If you cant do better then bottle it up..

vislabraye: xchanging words with u is a waste of time.

Yes you are a f.ool so it will be a waste ..deluded mofo

Mr_Anony:
"..........does not [b]begin [/b]to exist". How do you read? or do you hold that anything that exists must begin to exist?

You know something? Let me ask you some questions to clear up stuff 1. Can cause and effect happen simultaneously or at the same time? 2. How is the uncaused cause logically plausible?

Billyonaire: I havent forgotten you o ? What-a-gwan ? Still the Astral Projection issue ?

eh and the Jesus thread

Mr_Anony:
perhaps you should read my initial premises again:

"Everything that comes into being has a cause". The premise suggests that it begins to exist.

A first cause by definition does not begin to exist

So first cause does not exist..ok

Mr_Anony:
What part of uncaused don't you understand? Without an uncaused cause, we fall into infinite regress

Can something/an event be a cause and effect at the same time? how arent we in a regress?

Mr_Anony:
Lol, conceiving a multiverse only pushes it back a step. The logic is very simple: If the origin of space and time has a cause, then the cause cannot also be subject to space and time.
Even if there are more universes, we must eventually come to the point where we ask "what caused them?" unless you want to tell me that these universes are uncaused then I will have to ask you to explain how you arrived at this.

and what grounds did you come to the fact that the First cause is not subject to another cause..

Mr_Anony:
I am only arguing that logically, a first uncaused cause must exist.

this is special pleading therefore it is untrue..its an infinite maze..what caused the first cause?

vislabraye: Jesus Christ still remains the Head of all Principalities and Power. All other knowledge outside him is futile and worthless. They don't guarantee your future. They lead to death and destruction.
The knowledge of Christ leads to eternal life and peace. But because the gospel is so simple, it is usually ignored. The Greek who are learned see it as foolish and the Jews say its absurd.

Who is this i.diot?

Mr_Anony:
If the universe is part of a multiverse, then you have only succeeded in pushing the question back one step. You will still encounter an origin where you have to acknowledge a cause.

When making the argument of cause...you have to define certain subsets no?

Billyonaire: Call me names if you chose to, I think I know a little about the Holy Spirit than you think. But whether the holy spirit is human or spirit is a question for another day. The issue here is that someone's betrothed got impregnated by power of the holy spirit and I need to know if this is not wrong.

Bro me you just forget me

Niflheim: there are women in america who talk about the anunaki(aliens),and how they abducted them, extracted their eggs and impregnated them through artificial insemination!!!

True even the first immaculate conception story emanated in assyria and is older than biblical accounts...

wiegraf:

@anony, I actually disagree as to the cause issue because of uncertainty, but I'm sketchy on the details. Where do particles borrow energy from to produce their magical feats? Anyone know?

Referring to wave/particle paradox or the uncertainty principle?

Delafruita:
you will in turn pay tithe from the tithes and offering you receive.
still waiting for your kweshion

Goshen360:

See as I carry speed go check my account only to realise you just dey carry me dey play. okay no worry. God dey sha. At least, Apostle go chop from the alter but as you decided to carry my Apostolic anointing dey play for nairaland, no wahala. But bear in mind, no tithe, no answer....lo ba tan.

Sirrrr

I no reach oooo

you no as paypal dey do...na delayed transaction

Service to receive pay

Goshen360:

Which kind new discovery? Una dey quote yeye equivalent just to discredit the bible....all lies. Give me tithe and offerings and I will show you deeper things. I don't waste my time for nothing anymore.....not for Atheists

I have sent my widows mite now...Abi you no wan tell me? I am not an atheist sha

See as he balance...loooking at african map and saying 'yes,all them magas don pay'

plaetton:

He he hehe.
Thats like a swimming pool.

No wonder then, that the fishes survived.


Oh Oh.
8.37m?
The word god is in trouble again.

This one na new discovery....

Goshen360:

The fact is fishes survive in water. There wasn't science to prove what percentage you are referring to now then. The truth is you guys don't believe the bible - the word of God. So explaining how this happened and how that happened will be hard explaining to you guys. Go back to creation and see fishes that were created. We have "suggested" according to the word of God that everything created have what is called "seed" inside them to produce after their kind. It is possible not all species of animals that was created exist now just like God didn't create Adam a dwarf, so how did people like dwarf came to be? You guys just want to be a critics to the bible.

Oga mi have you recieved my widows mite

I am not a critic oooo but a careful observer as i hold true to the fact that the bible contains secret truths