Babs787, I read your reply regarding Bukhari's hadith and it was exactly the sort of reply I expected. By the way, far be it for me to tell you about one of your religious documents, but the reference I gave you for that hadith was correct. It is vol 1, book 11, number 626. Book eleven is "Call to prayers .(Adhaan)" You said the hadith did not say that Mmohammmed compelled non-Mmusslimms, I never said it did, but he sure compelled Mmusslimms. Unless of course you think burning people in their homes as a punishment for not attending prayers is not compulsion. And by the way I have read several books detailing his life and it all depends which one you want to believe. Me, I think there is some truth in most of them. Good points and bad, but I don't expect you will believe anything other than what you want to believe.
My time is precious too, and if I was of the mind I could also say that I didn't want to waste it on your sermon , "Three Different Natures" as it is full of stuff that is, to use your words, ", what is nothing and cannot be proven".

Babs787, my original post was on may 3rd at 8:30 pm. Anyway once again here is the info you requested. Bukhari vol 1, book 11, number 626.

Babs787, you asked that I provide the volume of Bukhari's hadith so as you can look it up for yourself, well I have already given volume, book and number in my original post. You also say that you have learned that I didn't understand what I had posted. How did you learn this, and what do I not understand? You can't just come out with statements like that and not explain yourself.
You also ask when, before his death, he carried out such an action. Maybe you don't believe this particular hadith, but I didn't make it up. You would need to question Abu Huraira, he was the companion who narrated this hadith, and as I am sure you know he is well respected within the Sunni tradition. Abu Huraira was either telling the truth or he was telling lies. What's it to be?

I had not intended to post again but I cannot let babs787 rather asinine comments go unchallenged. You asked for a full quote of Bukhari's hadith. As I gave the reference for that particular hadith I assumed that most people would be able to look it up for themselves, but obviously you are not capable of doing that, so for your benefit, here it is in full.

Narrated Abu Huraira, The Prophet said, No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the Isha prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh dhin (call maker) to pronunce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer, along with their houses."

Tell me that is not compulsion. As for your remark that I am trying to deceive people, what part of your mind did that spring from? I simply stated that my post had been altered. I did not use the words, "The Great Religion." or "The Great Prophet", but yet they appeared in my post. When a so called moderator alters the wording of a post to suit their own agenda, then that is censorship, something that does not belong in genuine honest debate, and if you can't understand that then there is not much point in continuing. However, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and await your reply.

I realise that I have only posted a couple of times but this will be my last post. The reason for this is that the "moderator" changed certain words in my post to another thread, even though my post was moderate and polite. To alter the wording of my post like that was not the action of a moderator, but someone applying censorship, something that doesn't belong in a free society. So goodbye to you all, I won't be posting here again.

When I take part in a debate and send in a post and find that the "moderators" have changed certain words of my post, even though that post was couched in moderate and polite terms,then it is no longer the act of a moderator, but the act of someone applying censorship. I will say my goodbyes to the other threads I posted on, but after that I will not visit this site again.

One thing we constantly hear from the followers of Islam is that, "There is no compulsion in religion." Perhaps someone could then explain the hadith of sahih Bukhari vol. 1, book 11/ number626. This hadith states quite clearly that Mohammed ordered the the homes, and the people in them , to be burnt for not heeding the call to prayers. Maybe you have a different meaning for the word "compulsion" but as I understand it and the dictionary explains it, compulsion it was.

May kelly, you say that I have rejected your son of god, more than that May, I reject the whole crazy christian thing. The bible is not a very reliable source, but as it is all we have to tell us about this son of god I suppose it will have to do. You see May I am a great believer in family values, and if the bible is to be believed, old JC didn't come up to the mark. He told his disciples to leave their jobs, abandon their wives and children and follow him around like a group of nomadic hippies. And what's all this about him saying that unless you hate your mother and father and children you couldn't join his Jesus appreciation club.(Luke 14:26 KJV) Not surprising really, because the few times the bible does report Jesus speaking to his mother he talks to her as though she was doggy doo. Yes I reject your "son of god" May , and all the nonsense that goes with it. By the way, I have been reading some of your earlier posts and I have to say that you are one of the best recruiting sergeants for atheism I have ever known. Keep up the good work!

Well May kelly, you really are the proper little christian fundie nutjob. I know you christians have a thing about punishment and pain, eternal punishment and pain even. So no doubt you are beside yourself with excitement at the prospect of your ", sweet Jesus Christ." returning in all his glory and giving us wicked atheists a good dose of that eternal hell fire. I just hope he doesn't keep you waiting as he did the poor suckers who followed him when he was supposedly on earth.
Matthew 16:27-28 KJV. For the son of man shall come in the glory of his father with his angels, and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Verily I say unto you, there shall be some standing here which will not taste death, till they see the son of man coming in his kingdom.

This is what Jesus was supposed to have said to his followers, so unless they have managed to stay alive for the past two thousand years I can only assume that Jesus was being economical with the truth. Perhaps waiting for a messiah is like waiting for a bus. You wait for a couple of thousand years and then three come along all at once.

Witness, you forgot to mention that dinosaurs were also on the ark. Well that's what a lot of christian fundies tell me anyway! Sometimes I ask myself if you people are just having a laugh, that it's all a big joke, but sadly it is clear that you really do believe such nonsense. Someone once said that when christian fundies watch "The Flintstones", they think it's a documentary. Like so many christian nutjobs, Witness thinks everything in the bible is true. That book of fairy tales contains so many contradictions and inconsistencies that anyone who takes it seriously is something that Witness likes to call everyone, a fool. No fool like an old fool, eh Witness. One thing the bible does show quite clearly though, is that this god you believe in is an egotistical mass murderer. No doubt christians will disagree with that,but what do you call someone who deliberately drowns every living creature in the world bar drunken old Noah and his dysfunctional family? Makes the idea that god is love rather redundant don't you think?