raumdeuter:

Why should we restrict this season? They have played games and the games played will not be reversed

Jordan Henderson entire career for Liverpool

404 games played 31 goals 53 assists

Paul Pogba entire career for Man Utd

218 games played 38 goals 52 assists

You are free to pick ANY Liverpool CM and lets compare to Pogba

Why are we judging central midfielders with goals and assists?

Leyqute:


This is why I said you’re the dumbest modafoking idiot on the whole planet.

You thought I was trolling. But I wasn’t. Go back and check who I quoted, when I did and how the convo ended.

Sho ni orie o pe ni

Useless shekpite.

Legbegbe, you came dancing when Mount missed his PK but you were not trolling. Ok!

Sebi you say you noh wan get sense, weekend don almost reach

melodyogonna:

Why are we judging central midfielders with goals and assists?

Ask this guy who wants us to compare Pogba to Trent, So I asked him why not compare Pogba with other Liverpool CMs starting with Henderson

AnfieldFan:

As for Ramdeuter, Stats wise, Pogba hasn't been significantly better than let's say Arnold (a RB) in the premier league...

raumdeuter:


Pogba delivers for France, He delivered for Juventus

Na to dey find scapegoat una know. Pogab was not on the field you were trailing Atalanta 2-0. Pogba was not on the field, you were trailing Liverpool 4-0

Yet Pogba is the problem

In a team like France, fraudgba does very well, because there are 2 players who were doing all his dirty work - Matuidi and Kante, all Pogba had to do was to free Mbappe/Griezmann’s runs. This is what Pogba is good at.

The WC showed exactly what Pogba is all about. France defended, defended, defended, Kante and Matuidi were work horses in the midfield, they get the ball, feed it to Pogba, who does his magic and threads in beautiful ball to his runners, Griezman/Mbappe.

This worked perfectly fine for France for 3 reasons:
* France defended very well.
* There were not many teams that were bossing France’s midfield.
* All France’s oppositions were wary of France’s runners Mbappe and Griezmann.

In the WC, the only 2 games that they really struggled were against Belgium and Croatia because both these teams bossed the midfield area. Guess what, in both these games Pogba struggled. Pogba came to life in the final 30 mins in the WC final. But that was after France took the lead. There was a phase in between when Croatia equalized, France were struggling to get hold of the ball.

When things are going Okay, Pogba is good. The moment things go bad, that’s when he struggles. Since he does not come back to “defend”, he kind of becomes a liability during these games.

This happens more in club matches, when Man utd play against quality oppositions( who boss the midfield). Sure, games here and there, he comes up with the goods, but there are games, where he just switches off. During these games, he becomes a liability to the team.

Joezinho:


In a team like France, fraudgba does very well, because there are 2 players who were doing all his dirty work - Matuidi and Kante, all Pogba had to do was to free Mbappe/Griezmann’s runs. This is what Pogba is good at.

The WC showed exactly what Pogba is all about. France defended, defended, defended, Kante and Matuidi were work horses in the midfield, they get the ball, feed it to Pogba, who does his magic and threads in beautiful ball to his runners, Griezman/Mbappe.

This worked perfectly fine for France for 3 reasons:
* France defended very well.
* There were not many teams that were bossing France’s midfield.
* All France’s oppositions were wary of France’s runners Mbappe and Griezmann.

In the WC, the only 2 games that they really struggled were against Belgium and Croatia because both these teams bossed the midfield area. Guess what, in both these games Pogba struggled. Pogba came to life in the final 30 mins in the WC final. But that was after France took the lead. There was a phase in between when Croatia equalized, France were struggling to get hold of the ball.

When things are going Okay, Pogba is good. The moment things go bad, that’s when he struggles. Since he does not come back to “defend”, he kind of becomes a liability during these games.

This happens more in club matches, when Man utd play against quality oppositions( who boss the midfield). Sure, games here and there, he comes up with the goods, but there are games, where he just switches off. During these games, he becomes a liability to the team.

In the world cup final, Kante was substituted at 55th min for Nzonzi yet that phase of the game post 55th min was when France actually took over the game

The last Nations League few weeks ago, kante was not there, Matuidi was not there yet Pogba played in 343 with Rabiot and final with Tchoameni and France dominated and won both games

In the semi final France actually trailed by 2 goals vs a good Belgium team

So the excuse that it was Kante and Matuidi has been proven to be rubbish. I am sure you will probably say its Nzonzi, its Rabiot Its Tchooameni, well Pogba never told anyone he can play all 11 positions by himself

If Nzonzi, Rabiot, Kante Matuidi etc can do it when cant Man Utd line up the same

raumdeuter:

Why should we restrict this season? They have played games and the games played will not be reversed

Jordan Henderson entire career for Liverpool

404 games played 31 goals 53 assists

Paul Pogba entire career for Man Utd

218 games played 38 goals 52 assists

You are free to pick ANY Liverpool CM and lets compare to Pogba

Let's Start from when Pogba came back to Man United...
And what you brought has only goals and assists...
What of interceptions
Tackles and successful tackles
Chances created
How many times each player was dispossessed in the same time period
How many errors leading to goal by each player
How many penalties did each player concede...
Since Pogba is so good and Hendo's so poor, Pogba should beat him with wide margins in all these statistical match ups....

raumdeuter:


In the world cup final, Kante was substituted at 55th min for Nzonzi yet that phase of the game post 55th min was when France actually took over the game

The last Nations League few weeks ago, kante was not there, Matuidi was not there yet Pogba played in 343 with Rabiot and final with Tchoameni and France dominated and won both games

In the semi final France actually trailed by 2 goals bs a good Belgium team

So the excuse that it was Kante and Matuidi has been proven to be rubbish. I am sure you will probably say its Nzonzi, its Rabiot Its Tchooameni, well Pogba never told anyone he can play all 11 positions by himself

If Nzonzi, Rabiot, Kante Matuidi etc can do it when cant Man Utd line up the same

Which final, the one vs Spain which Spain lost because they lacked bite in the final third and a goal by Mbappe that wouldn't have stood if Football had better offside rules..
To be clear, Pogba was decent, but to say he ran the show or dominated the midfield in that game is simply fallacy..

Here's some player ratings from Squawka..

AnfieldFan:


Let's Start from when Pogba came back to Man United...
And what you brought has only goals and assists...
What of interceptions
Tackles and successful tackles
Chances created
How many times each player was dispossessed in the same time period
How many errors leading to goal by each player
How many penalties did each player concede...
Since Pogba is so good and Hendo's so poor, Pogba should beat him with wide margins in all these statistical match ups....

If Henderson has less than Pogba in 10yrs will he have more in 5yrs?

Were you considering all these when you posted

AnfieldFan:

As for Ramdeuter, Stats wise, Pogba hasn't been significantly better than let's say Arnold (a RB) in the premier league...

AnfieldFan:


Which final, the one vs Spain which Spain lost because they lacked bite in the final third and a goal by Mbappe that wouldn't have stood if Football had better offside rules..
To be clear, Pogba was decent, but to say he ran the show or dominated the midfield in that game is simply fallacy..

Here's some player ratings from Squawka..

These were Pogbas numbers in the Nations League final

raumdeuter:


If Henderson has less than Pogba in 10yrs will he have more in 5yrs?

Were you considering all these when you posted

So we're back to Arnold now are we?
Why move on when we've decided to add other aspects of play... Everyone knows Pogba's better than Hendo offensively..But that's not all there is to football...

Question for you..
Who do you think is better or let's say more talented..
Thiago alcantara or Pogba..

AnfieldFan:


So we're back to Arnold now are we?
Why move on when we've decided to add other aspects of play... Everyone knows Pogba's better than Hendo offensively..But that's not all there is to football...

Question for you..
Who do you think is better or let's say more talented..
Thiago alcantara or Pogba..

Compare like for like, Compare CM with CM
You want to compare Trent a RB to Pogba a CM, but when we showed Pogba vs Henderson a fellow CM you are running helter skelter
Pogba is a CM, Once again pick any CM in Liverpool and lets compare to Pogba

Who cares about talented? Who is more talented Quaresma or Salah?

Pogba is better than Thiago

raumdeuter:


Compare like for like, Compare CM with CM
You want to compare Trent a RB to Pogba a CM, but when we showed Pogba vs Henderson a fellow CM you are running helter skelter
Pogba is a CM, Once again pick any CM in Liverpool and lets compare to Pogba

Who cares about talented? Who is more talented Quaresma or Salah?

Now you're running in circles...I've done exactly what you asked...In fact, you picked Henderson your self...But you won't bring any other stat apart from goals and assists...
In case you're wondering, Pogba beats him in some of those stats I outlined..The difference between an elite player like Pogba and an average/below average player like Hendo is what I'm concerned with...
Enough with the Arnold talks, Arnold has proven to be better than Pogba both offensively and defensively but you don't want that smoke so I'm chill on that but for some reason you're still bringing him up...What are you afraid of...Get those other stats of Pogba and Hendo let's compare and see just how far clear of Hendo Pogba is ...

It should be simple really...

raumdeuter:


In the world cup final, Kante was substituted at 55th min for Nzonzi yet that phase of the game post 55th min was when France actually took over the game

The last Nations League few weeks ago, kante was not there, Matuidi was not there yet Pogba played in 343 with Rabiot and final with Tchoameni and France dominated and won both games

In the semi final France actually trailed by 2 goals bs a good Belgium team

So the excuse that it was Kante and Matuidi has been proven to be rubbish. I am sure you will probably say its Nzonzi, its Rabiot Its Tchooameni, well Pogba never told anyone he can play all 11 positions by himself

If Nzonzi, Rabiot, Kante Matuidi etc can do it when cant Man Utd line up the same

If he can do it for france why can't he do it for utd? I don't know of any elite player that is so inconsistent like fraudgba. Mou used him in midfield 3 dude was still inconsistent, bought matic same thing, gave him the captain band same thing. Ole the failed Gollum is at the wheel now and you still think the problem is man utd?

Fergie knew this, which is why he ditched him as a youth player that was breaking into the first team.

raumdeuter:


These were Pogbas numbers in the Nations League final

Still yet ...Benzema was awarded the man of the match award while a Sergio who's older and has struggled to get going this season completely outclassed him in the midfield...

Infact, Sergio was awarded MVP of the final four despite losing a final..

raumdeuter:


Ask this guy who wants us to compare Pogba to Trent, So I asked him why not compare Pogba with other Liverpool CMs starting with Henderson

Na only for Nairaland u go see someone comparing CM with RB. nawa oo

Don't you just love it

Everybody's out for Ole's neck

Quite a sight to behold, eh

#OleOUT
#EndOLE
#OleMustGo
#EndOLECluelessness
#SackTheFraud
#KillTheBasterd
‼️

Can't even say I'm surprised to see some delusional clowns in this thread already branding Sancho a flop.

Afterall, this is Nigeria where prophet Bubu be president. So, anything goes


Abii no be this Nigeria wey idiotic morons like Indaboski get many church followers wey dey celebrate am

Shun Gullibility; it's a virus!

AnfieldFan:


Now you're running in circles...I've done exactly what you asked...In fact, you picked Henderson your self...But you won't bring any other stat apart from goals and assists...
In case you're wondering, Pogba beats him in some of those stats I outlined..The difference between an elite player like Pogba and an average/below average player like Hendo is what I'm concerned with...
Enough with the Arnold talks, Arnold has proven to be better than Pogba both offensively and defensively but you don't want that smoke so I'm chill on that but for some reason you're still bringing him up...What are you afraid of...Get those other stats of Pogba and Hendo let's compare and see just how far clear of Hendo Pogba is ...

It should be simple really...

When comparing Pogba to Trent, which stat did you bring aside goals and assist? Why do you suddenly fall in love with those stats now when you conveniently left them when comparing Pogba to Trent

Isnt it funny that you want to use goals and assist for Trent vs Pogba but when its time for Henderson you suddenly fled.

Choose any Liverpool CM and lets compare to Pogba on your goals and assists

ChristoBam:
Just came back from Liverpool's Reddit thread and I'm fuming. No single respect for this United side. They absolutely believe they'll seriously trash us silly.

What hurts is, they were right

Joezinho:


If he can do it for france why can't he do it for utd? I don't know of any elite player that is so inconsistent like fraudgba. Mou used him in midfield 3 dude was still inconsistent, bought matic same thing, gave him the captain band same thing. Ole the failed Gollum is at the wheel now and you still think the problem is man utd?

Fergie knew this, which is why he ditched him as a youth player that was breaking into the first team.

If he is able to do this for France, He was able to do this for Juventus, why isnt he able to do for Man Utd?

This is because he has been playing under useless coaches from Mourinho (as evidenced by his career trajectory post Man Utd) and Ole as evidenced by his career pre Man Utd

Pogba playd well under Conte, Under Allegri under Deschamps

The problem is the coaching at Man Utd because Pogba while at Man Utd was still delivering top performances for his country either in 2018 or 2021

How many of your players are doing well consistently? Name 5. Just last week there are articles flooding the internet about how Ronaldo is the problem, A whole Ronaldo, One of the great ever seen is now a problem because of Ole

If Pogba had formed running stomach and not come on at 4-0 who would you have blamed for losing 4-0? The Pogba on the bench or who? Ronaldo? Bruno or who? But the moment Pogba managed to jog into the field, he became the scapegoat for everything that happened before and after he came on the field

AnfieldFan:


Still yet ...Benzema was awarded the man of the match award while a Sergio who's older and has struggled to get going this season completely outclassed him in the midfield...

Infact, Sergio was awarded MVP of the final four despite losing a final..

Man of the match favour scorers. The raw stats of what Pogba did on the field is shown there, show us any other midfielder who completed that type of stat on the field not by someone in their room choosing winners and losers

Someone can choose Maguire at the MOTM last Sunday but the raw stats wont lie

Re Sir Alex Ferguson’s visit to Carrington yesterday. He was being fitted for a new club suit, as were other club officials. This had been planned for some time. Ferguson never saw Ole Gunnar Solskjaer or any players during his time there.

Lie Mohammed nor do reach this one

raumdeuter:


When comparing Pogba to Trent, which stat did you bring aside goals and assist? Why do you suddenly fall in love with those stats now when you conveniently left them when comparing Pogba to Trent

Isnt it funny that you want to use goals and assist for Trent vs Pogba but when its time for Henderson you suddenly fled.

Choose any Liverpool CM and lets compare to Pogba on your goals and assists

I didn't flee...I'm still here...Your refusal to furnish us with Statistics of there general play abilities is deceitful and fraudulent....

If you want other stats regarding Trent, you know where to find them...
I can only lead you to the river, I can't force you to drink...

AnfieldFan:


I didn't flee...I'm still here...Your refusal to furnish us with Statistics of there general play abilities is deceitful and fraudulent....

If you want other stats regarding Trent, you know where to find them...
I can only lead you to the river, I can't force you to drink...

Did you provide us these statistics when you were comparing Trent to Pogba?

Now we are telling you compare Pogba to ANY Liverpool CM using the same metric you used for your Pogba vs Trent, It suddenly became a problem

elampiro:
I am not making excuses for Luke Shaw, but in all the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th goals he was caught out of position, I did not see any winger tracking back to help him or cover for him. Hope goals scoring competition has not become a problem in the team? That is hoping that Greewood and Rashford are not looking to compete with Ronaldo for goals at the expense of the the team?

Wingers not tracking back is why Luke Shaw cannot build attacks from the back?

They were caught out of position because they kept losing the ball in transition. United concede so many chances in that manner because you people’s favorites are shit in possession.

The midfielders are high up the pitch - trying to launch an attack and then someone loses the ball and the defence is exposed. Henderson made one pass to unzip United’s defence for the 5th goal.

Shaw was no match for Salah’s pace and the rest was history. The other goals also came from Shaw’s area of the pitch - he cannot defend. He gets attracted to the ball and once the play is switched, Shaw is nowhere to be found.

nani667:
#OleOUT
#EndOLE
#OleMustGo
#EndOLECluelessness
#SackTheFraud
#KillTheBasterd
‼️

Let me help you add this...

Joezinho:


Yes Fraudgba needs to leave. Fraudgba should be the spinal cord of the team but his behaviour doesn’t make him one. He's a good footballer but lacks the those details to be consistent.

What he is good at, he is terrible at everything else. His cover skill is none existing. He stroll back lazy after losing the ball. He think he is still playing for Juventus.

Anyone who knows his football knows Pogba was not the defensive and offensive anchors for Juventus. He was given the licence to roam.

This would not fly in Manchester United. Why? Because he is now given the duty of a offensive anchor which he does not perform consistent and utter failed as a defensive cover at the front.

The earlier we let him off the hook, the better we can get players that believes the Manchester united project.

If u watch pogba incredible box for the France u no go talk like this..

His only fault is holding d ball too long.

Mean while..

raumdeuter:


Man of the match favour scorers. The raw stats of what Pogba did on the field is shown there, show us any other midfielder who completed that type of stat on the field not by someone in their room choosing winners and losers

Someone can choose Maguire at the MOTM last Sunday but the raw stats wont lie

Suddenly, Pogba didn't win the man of the match in a match he apparently dominated because of biased sentiments from UEFA
He also didn't win the MVP of the tournament which Sergio deservedly won..The same Busquets who's in the twilight of his career and apparently on his last legs dominated him in the finals...Did they also award Sergio because of goals....

raumdeuter:


If he is able to do this for France, He was able to do this for Juventus, why isnt he able to do for Man Utd?

This is because he has been playing under useless coaches from Mourinho (as evidenced by his career trajectory post Man Utd) and Ole as evidenced by his career pre Man Utd

Pogba playd well under Conte, Under Allegri under Deschamps

The problem is the coaching at Man Utd because Pogba while at Man Utd was still delivering top performances for his country either in 2018 or 2021

How many of your players are doing well consistently? Name 5. Just last week there are articles flooding the internet about how Ronaldo is the problem, A whole Ronaldo, One of the great ever seen is now a problem because of Ole

If Pogba had formed running stomach and not come on at 4-0 who would you have blamed for losing 4-0? The Pogba on the bench or who? Ronaldo? Bruno or who? But the moment Pogba managed to jog into the field, he became the scapegoat for everything that happened before and after he came on the field

Pogba played well under Mourinho until their falling out.

This is the Europa squad of the season in 2017(Pogba’s debut season under JM).

Every player Mourinho signed for Man Utd during the summer of 2016 made this squad.

Bailly
Mkhitaryan
Pogba
Zlatan.

Illimitable:


Wingers not tracking back is why Luke Shaw cannot build attacks from the back?

They were caught out of position because they kept losing the ball in transition. United concede so many chances in that manner because you people’s favorites are shit in possession.

The midfielders are high up the pitch - trying to launch an attack and then someone loses the ball and the defence is exposed. Henderson made one pass to unzip United’s defence for the 5th goal.

Shaw was no match for Salah’s pace and the rest was history. The other goals also came from Shaw’s area of the pitch - he cannot defend. He gets attracted to the ball and once the play is switched, Shaw is nowhere to be found.

Want to point out something...The first goal happened because Greenwood couldn't effectively press Robertson..Bissaka moved up to cover Jota incase he got the ball... Mctominay moved inwards towards the right of the pitch to cover the space(This leaves a space in the middle which Salah drifts into..Shaw is confused, he's seeing massive spaces, because Lindelof has drifted to cover the massive space left by Bissaka...Maguire moves inwards to the right to cover for Lindelof ..Shaw doesn't know if he should tuck inside to play Salah offside or cover for his CB's...By the time Jota releases the ball, almost all your players are in a press that has no structure and was doomed to fail from the start because it's individual instead of being team press..
My point is, blaming Shaw alone for something that was clearly a team effort is a bit unfair... Even if Shaw was Virgil playing against us, we would still be through on goal in that exact situation...
Here's what your team looked like in the press before Salah, Firmino and Keita made their runs..