Acidosis:
The emboldened is the issue, dear. We only know what you guys stand for from your reactionary response to some ill-mannered guys on Nairaland. I think you guys are wonderful, intelligent, smart, and well-mannered, but to say the truth, the nastiness from these ill-mannered guys on Nairaland often get the best of y'all, at least online [I know we all have the freedom to post whatever..].

About the conversation Coco and Amazon had with their kids, well they didn't tell us the outcome of the conversation. Moreover, I don't think they had that kind of conversation with kids, well, maybe with their partners. The important thing, which we don't know, is the consequence or outcome of that conversation.

GloriousGbola:


Yeah, Ishi would just give a swift kick. She's cheapo like that

Acidosis:


Now you can't disclose personal health information?

The emboldened, nope, it wouldn't encourage me to get it.

cococandy:


If it won’t encourage you to get it, then what’s the point of me telling you?

Yes I won’t disclose someone else’s personal health information. Let me know whenever you see me doing that and I’ll stand corrected.

Acidosis:


I'm yet to read just one disadvantage of condom or abstinence. There has to be at least one disadvantage of condom for us to call for the widespread adoption of vasectomy.

If a single guy undergoes the procedure, what then happens when he gets married? Reversal? After one or two kids, he would go for another vasectomy, right? All these experiments on one man's fragile and delicate testicular organs. C'mon, you guys should be realistic. Mind you, it might take another 1-2 million to reverse the process.

How can you even say that a 2 million naira surgical procedure in Nigeria is risk-free?

GloriousGbola:


Coco has been in obodo oyibo too long. Na for staff bus hr dey broadcast pipu matter for naija. Ethics, what ethics? Code of wetin?

The only problem here is that many of you won't start this sermon in your households, with your sons and brothers.

This sermon gets preached in my household.

Help us increase the volume and reach of the message.

Actually I have and you can as well join the crusade

Acidosis:
Now you can't disclose personal health information?

The emboldened, nope, it wouldn't encourage me to get it.

AmazonTopaz:
I have seen my fellow Woke Partner that's how stars do

cococandy:


If it won’t encourage you to get it, then what’s the point of me telling you?

Yes I won’t disclose someone else’s personal health information. Let me know whenever you see me doing that and I’ll stand corrected.

cococandy:


There’s no disadvantage to condoms or abstinence.
Abstinence remains the 100% method of birth control.
But it’s unrealistic to depend on it. We can and should encourage it for people who want no risk at all. But we also know that human nature will win at some point that’s where other methods of birth control come in. I have nothing against abstinence as a choice.

Vasectomy as a birth control method cannot also be for everyone. I’m not saying all men out there need to go and get a vasectomy. But we aren’t even having the conversation for those who are eligible. If we must prevent unwanted pregnancies, all forms of birth control have to be accessible and that includes vasectomy. Many men who could have gotten it don’t even know it’s an option or know what it’s all about. That’s why the conversation needs to be had. Talking about it doesn’t mean all men of reproductive age will get it. Nor do I think it’s realistic for all men to get it.

Like why is it 2 million naira?
Why don’t many men know about it?
Why are the ones who have heard of it misinformed and afraid?

All these questions can be answered by education and research. Only conversation that sparks such moves. Yes we are not there now but we’ll get there.

Acidosis:



Vasectomy is not a disease, is it? Not willing to disclose it makes it even scary.

Magnoliaa:
@Acidosis, here's what you said:



And here's Coco response:


And, me, what I'm saying is not limited to the scope of the vasectomy conversation. People ASSUME liberal-leaning women aren't always true to what they say or believe in. I'm addressing that generally. You can make conclusions based on our comments all you want, I'm telling you that you have nothing conclusive to say that we don't have the conversationS we have online, with our sons and brothers. Or in other words, we don't practice what we preach.

And I told you about me.

Here's Amazon's response:


And then let's not even get started on the number of such women who embody what they preach, hence my asking you how many of such women you know.

It's a different thing entirely to claim 'they don't have such conversations with their families or partners' and another thing to ask 'what's the outcome of such conversation?' Which wan are you saying? We do abi we no dey do (am for real life)?

Coco is just one person, and can choose not to tell you her personal details. It doesn't mean there aren't others who have had that conversation and their husbands have agreed to the procedure. Of course, it's something unconventional especially in this part of the world. So if you find such a couple, not readily, I'm sure you'll still have more poking questions for them on that decision.

That's for your notion on vasectomy. In addition to that, there are other ideas people have concerning feminist women when it comes to relationships, marriage, children, domestic duties, respect and cooperation, etc. And the idea is that we don't put our money where our mouth is as you've said here. That is what I'm calling untrue.

Because if I bring you a feminist that can cook, cook or can't, don't cook - people will find a way to turn it against her and as a plus for patriarchy.

If I also bring you a feminist that respects her husband, same thing.

If I literally bring you thousands of feminist women doing what they preach, contrary to your belief, you'll still find a way to question them...you'll never accept there are... or they are.

Magnoliaa:
@Acidosis, here's what you said:



And here's Coco response:


And, me, what I'm saying is not limited to the scope of the vasectomy conversation. People ASSUME liberal-leaning women aren't always true to what they say or believe in. I'm addressing that generally. You can make conclusions based on our comments all you want, I'm telling you that you have nothing conclusive to say that we don't have the conversations we have online, with our sons and brothers. Or in other words, we don't practice what we preach.

And I told you about me.

Here's Amazon's response:


And then let's not even get started on the number of such women who embody what they preach, hence my asking you how many of such women you know.

It's a different thing entirely to claim 'they don't have such conversations with their families or partners' and another thing to ask 'what's the outcome of such conversation?' Which wan are you saying? We do abi we no dey do (am for real life)?

Coco is just one person, and can choose not to tell you her personal details. It doesn't mean there aren't others who have had that conversation and their husbands have agreed to the procedure. Of course, it's something unconventional especially in this part of the world. So if you find such a couple, not readily, I'm sure you'll still have more poking questions for them on that decision.

That's for your notion on vasectomy. In addition to that, there are other ideas people have concerning feminist women when it comes to relationships, marriage, children, domestic duties, respect and cooperation, etc. And the idea is that we don't put our money where our mouth is as you've said here. That is what I'm calling untrue.

Because if I bring you a feminist that can cook, cook or can't, don't cook - people will find a way to turn it against her and as a plus for patriarchy.

If I also bring you a feminist that respects her husband, same thing.

If I literally bring you thousands of feminist women doing what they preach, contrary to your belief, you'll still find a way to question them...you'll never accept there are... or they are.

Acidosis:



You see, this is the issue I have with Coco at some point. You expend energy defending ga.ys and bisexuals even though you're "straight" and married to the opposite sex. Why do you spend so much time defending what you're not, when you should ideally preach what you do and what works for you?

Acidosis:


You see, this is the issue I have with Coco at some point. You expend energy defending ga.ys and bisexuals even though you're "straight" and married to the opposite sex. Why do you spend so much time defending what you're not, when you should ideally preach what you do and what works for you?

cococandy:



In fact when people from the oppressor group refused to speak up for the oppressed group, the oppressed group will never get equity and equality.

cococandy:


About this, it’s about compassion and empathy. You can defend a marginalized group without being one of them.
A man can defend women’s right.
A white person can defend POC rights.
A straight person can defend gay rights.

In fact when people from the oppressor group refused to speak up for the oppressed group, the oppressed group will never get equity and equality.

So I don’t have to be LGBTQ to agree that they deserve same considerations as straight people.

GloriousGbola:


wow.wow.wow.

if people thought like this - blacks would still be slaves.
if people thought like this, the civil rights movement would have died

this thinking is very close to racism and tribalism. why should i be bothered about the rights of people who do not share the same race, tribe, lifestyle, creed, religion etc as myself?

pocohantas:


True. Some grown women do not even know how their body works. Seems like too much calculations for them. That is why I am headlining a program to educate the girl child on their menstrual cycle (hygiene, safe period and safe sex ). You can donate menstrual pads and cash to us.

Now I remember I have calls to make sef. Thank you for this reminder.

cococandy:
About this, it’s about compassion and empathy. You can defend a marginalized group without being one of them.
A man can defend women’s right.
A white person can defend POC rights.
A straight person can defend gay rights.

In fact when people from the oppressor group refused to speak up for the oppressed group, the oppressed group will never get equity and equality.

So I don’t have to be LGBTQ to agree that they deserve same considerations as straight people.

Acidosis:
It's very easy to form an opinion of who's marginalized and who's not.

Acidosis:

There's a fine line between defending the rights of a marginalized group and split personality issues.

In trying to defend a marginalized tribe in Nigeria, I won't lose my identity.

And it's always very easy to come up with one's idea of the marginalized. It's always women, ga.ys, you've even added Muslims lately and oh Ukraine

When men defend men's rights, they're upholding patriarchy. It's easy to say one group is marginalized while the other isn't.

Acidosis:



It's very easy to form an opinion of who's marginalized and who's not.

Magnoliaa:


Ahhhh. Biko, thank you, wo. Thank you so much see. I would think these things are pretty easy to see o.

cococandy:
I see you tried to summarize what you think you know about me in this brief post and it couldn’t be further from the truth because you don’t in fact know anything about me.

I know I’m not about to convert to Islam or marry a woman or change my physical gender presentation.
So where’s the split personality and loss of identity you speak about? You don’t even know me in person so how would you know what my identity is like?
Ukraine and Muslims? Acidosis don’t make me laugh please. Islam is one of the most oppressive religions on earth. On par with Christians. When I tell Christians to own up to their oppressive ideas, it doesn’t mean I consider Muslims an oppressed group. Two things can be true at the same time. And you don’t even know my opinion on the Ukraine issue. I’ve mostly been silent about it. DON'T MAKE ASSUMPTIONS PLEASE

Anyway my identity doesn’t depend on depriving others their right to free existence. I guess that’s the difference between you and I. I don’t need to subscribe to any of that in order to show folks what my identity is.

I’m not confused about who I am or what I like. Therefore, seeing someone living their life the way they want to will not make me uncomfortable. I’m not going to be influenced to change from what I like into what they like. I don’t how speaking for them will change my identity in that aspect.

I don’t know where you get off to thinking that if you don’t agree with oppressing those that are different from you, then you’re not being true to your real identity. Ask yourself why you think that. Who are you trying to SHOW that you are true to whatever beliefs you share.

Because I know people who don’t necessarily support bigotry but won’t say anything against it because they don’t want their community and brethren to see them as different.

folake4u:


Guilty as charged!

By the way, if you're holding it in Abuja, biko I'd love to volunteer oh.

Magnoliaa:


I had to highlight this part. 'Cause this is what it is all seeming like to me.

pocohantas:


Till date? Lol, maybe I can give you a mini lecture in the DM. Not in Abj either.

Magnoliaa:


Rightttttt. So that's your idea ba? It's all based on opinions ehn? There's no iota of truth in what Coco and the other guy are saying? It's easy to form opinions about things...?

folake4u:


Lol yes oh , lemme go to DM now.

Awwn okay, what city then?

Acidosis:
I'm simply saying that many do not tell us about their real life and relatable experiences.