Jesus is not important to man or to God.

He is just a creation of the Roman. Empire

God gave the Jews the Torah (laws) to follow as a mark of the covenant.

There is no where God said he was going to impregnate another man's wife to sire a son that would be sacrificed to him before he can forgive sins and send people to heaven...

Those are all Roman/ Greek ideologies..

They are alien to Judaism...

MikeofAfrica:

I am aware that majority of Christian leaders belong to Demonic cults. I know about the Anglican Priest that founded The Reformed Ogboni Fraternity.

I also know that King James of England who authorized the King James version of the Bible was a member of Freemason.

The issue is God can use anyone directly or indirectly to spread the gospel. He can even use Satan to show the world how powerful He is. If Satan had not attack Job with a mysterious disease, the friends of Job and even his Wife will not have witness the power of God.

Emperor Constantine unify the religions in Rome and tried using the identity of Jesus to market the Roman traditions. His plans backfired. The World accepted the existence of Jesus and rejected the Roman traditions which led to the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Today, some churches are using the identity of Jesus to market Gay marriage but it will also backfire! Some fake pastors in Nigeria are also using the identity of Jesus to practise their magics and voodoo powers. The judgement of God awaits them .

However all this does not invalidate the existence of Jesus. You can only use a genuine product to market a bad product. That is what these people are doing with the identity of Jesus Christ.

I disagree with you that the few christains that sincerely believe in Jesus Christ are gullible. The disciples of Jesus were accused of being gullible by the Roman Government.

However today , these disciples are more popular across the world than all the Emperors that ruled Rome. Peter is more popular in the Catholic Church than Emperor Constantine hence some Catholic claims that thier founder is Peter.

The foolishness of God is better than the wisdom of Men. Hence if it takes being gullible for Jesus Christ to make a name in this world and in heaven, is it not better to become gullible for Him?

I do base what l post here on facts. The Oldest religious scrolls found in Israel dating back to the time of Jesus Christ have no mention of Jesus Christ. It only mentions the teacher of righteousness and the religious community called the Essenes. The teacher of righteousness was the head of the community, they did practice water purification and they were against what was going on in the temple at the time which led to them starting their own religious community.

The teachings of the Essence must have been what was taken to Rome by those that have been converted earlier and after Rome destroyed the community, they then modified it to include Jesus Christ from a Roman/Greek pagan belief that their gods do mate with their women to produce their rulers.

There are no historical records of the apostles, stories about them are only in the New Testament and from legends. Historical records during the time of Jesus Christ by Philo of Alexandria, also called Philo Judaeus, a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher who lived in Alexandria, in the Roman province of Egypt only described Caesar Augustus as the son of god but no mention of Jesus Christ.

oteneaaron:
...But like I mentioned earlier, in the search for truth, we must be willing to hear all sides of the story and make our conclusions by our own volition.

Live and let live.

And that is the difference between the learned people in courts and you laymen. You people think to do anyhow to get at Truth only for you to come out with unacceptable cockroach piss.

You do not get Truth by hearing all sides BUT BY HEARING THE RELEVANT SIDES. THIIS IS WHERE THE LAW OF GIVING TRUTH AKA "LAW OF EVIDENCE" FOR SBORT, COMES IN.

And the relevant people who should have been a guide in leading to the Truth of this issue (see locus standi) did not do so. Eg like Tinubu:s grandson coming to say that Mohammed was invented by the British to unify northern Nigeria as obtained from a book, is that right?

MindHacker9009:


Flavius Josephus was a first century Romano Jewish historian and he wrote about events during his own time.

Change of post and hearsay. No one asked about Flav J

Dtruthspeaker:


And that is the difference between the learned people in courts and you laymen. You people think to do anyhow to get at Truth only for you to come out with unacceptable cockroach piss.

You do not get Truth by hearing all sides BUT BY HEARING THE RELEVANT SIDES. THIIS IS WHERE THE LAW OF GIVING TRUTH AKA "LAW OF EVIDENCE" FOR SBORT, COMES IN.

And the relevant people who should have been a guide in leading to the Truth of this issue (see locus standi) did not do so. Eg like Tinubu:s grandson coming to say that Mohammed was invented by the British to unify northern Nigeria as obtained from a book, is that right?

Lol.

At least a "layman" like is me is willing to do research to understand the true origins of the creeds he grew up with.

Unlike you who so "learned", but still mentally lazy to do any research.

Live and let live.

MindHacker9009 9post=118902249:


You are a LIER and a deceiver that's why you always like to display your insanity when you see the truth

See, you are just shouting exactly how empty vessels do because you have no proof!

oteneaaron:


Lol.

At least a "layman" like is me is willing to do research to understand the true origins of the creeds he grew up with.

Unlike you who so "learned", but still mentally lazy to do any research.

Live and let live.

While you are still doing research, we have long since concluded Truth finding and waiting on you to show the results of your quest if you found The Truth.

Which is why I am here.

And right now, none of you have been able to show credible and proper proof of your claim.

Thus you are guys are just

People swallow greedily any lie that flatters them,..Denis Diderot

Dtruthspeaker:


While you are still doing research, we have long since concluded Truth finding and waiting on you to show the results of your quest if you found The Truth.

Which is why I am here.

And right now, none of you have been able to show credible and proper proof of your claim.

Thus you are guys are just

People swallow greedily any lie that flatters them,..Denis Diderot

Lol.

Do you honestly think I am doing any research to please you?

Since you have long since found "truth" , I congratulate you on attaining such a great feat.

I am doing this for myself.

Live and let live.

Cheers!

Dtruthspeaker:

See, you are just shouting exactly how empty vessels do because you have no proof!

You are a LIER, a deceiver and an empty vessel that's why you always like to display your insanity when you see the truth with facts since you are too lazy to do any research other than holding on to the liers you have been brainwashed with

oteneaaron:


Lol.

Do you honestly think I am doing any research to please you?...

As is your right but in the end when you give us the result of your inquiry, let it be True because Truth is what guides
and protects our life while Lies kill us

MindHacker9009:


You are a LIER, a deceiver and an empty vessel that's why you always like to display your insanity when you see the truth with facts since you are too lazy to do any research other than holding on to the liers you have been brainwashed with

See display of madness!

When The Debate Is Lost, Slander and Madness Becomes The Tool Of The Loser

Dtruthspeaker:


See display of madness!

When The Debate Is Lost, Slander and Madness Becomes The Tool Of The Loser

You are the one always showing your madness

MindHacker9009:


I do base what l post here on facts. The Oldest religious scrolls found in Israel dating back to the time of Jesus Christ have no mention of Jesus Christ. It only mentions the teacher of righteousness and the religious community called the Essenes. The teacher of righteousness was the head of the community, they did practice water purification and they were against what was going on in the temple at the time which led to them starting their own religious community.

The teachings of the Essence must have been what was taken to Rome by those that have been converted earlier and after Rome destroyed the community, they then modified it to include Jesus Christ from a Roman/Greek pagan belief that their gods do mate with their women to produce their rulers.

There are no historical records of the apostles, stories about them are only in the New Testament and from legends. Historical records during the time of Jesus Christ by Philo of Alexandria, also called Philo Judaeus, a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher who lived in Alexandria, in the Roman province of Egypt only described Caesar Augustus as the son of god but no mention of Jesus Christ.

Let me ask you some basic questions

1. When the Church of England broke out from the Catholic Church , the British Government took their time to verify all the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.
Hence if what you wrote above is truth, why did the British Government not discovered it considering the fact that the British has the best historians in the world.

2. Assuming the British decided to cover up the mess of the Romans who was then their rival in world politics, will the Arabians also authenticate the existence of Jesus Christ in the Quran without having a concrete evidence?

Historians have their limitations. Some of them write with a motive to achieve a particular agenda.

For instance, some Igbo historians who want to prove that igbos are greater than yorubas in Nigeria politics, can decide to write the history of Nigeria without mentioning the roles played by Awolowo and Akintola.

Hence in the next 500 years, the Igbo boys of that generation who knows nothing about Nigeria history will use such books as an evidence to claim that Awolowo does not exist and was invented by the Yoruba people .

That is exactly what you are doing. Do you expect historians who hates Christianity to mention Jesus Christ in their books/ Scrolls ? Do you expect historians who do not even believe that God exist to tell you that Jesus Christ once lived in this world?

Have you read more history books/ Scrolls than the British, German and Arab leaders who authenticated the existance of Jesus Christ? These people have enough information to verify the contents of any history scroll/ books.

Since you and I cannot verify what you read in your history books, I agree with the Church of England, Lutherian Church , Muslims, and other ancient Churches that Jesus Christ exist and is the begotten Son of God.

OK. Jesus Christ was invented by the Romans, who then started killing His followers after He was killed by the very Romans, whose emperor (Nero) blamed the same Christians for the great inferno at Rome... You are a real work of art if you think you made any sense in your postulation.

MikeofAfrica:

Let me ask you some basic questions

1. When the Church of England broke out from the Catholic Church , the British Government took their time to verify all the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.
Hence if what you wrote above is truth, why did the British Government not discovered it considering the fact that the British has the best historians in the world.

2. Assuming the British decided to cover up the mess of the Romans who was then their rival in world politics, will the Arabians also authenticate the existence of Jesus Christ in the Quran without having a concrete evidence?

Historians have their limitations. Some of them write with a motive to achieve a particular agenda.

For instance, some Igbo historians who want to prove that igbos are greater than yorubas in Nigeria politics, can decide to write the history of Nigeria without mentioning the roles played by Awolowo and Akintola.

Hence in the next 500 years, the Igbo boys of that generation who knows nothing about Nigeria history will use such books as an evidence to claim that Awolowo does not exist and was invented by the Yoruba people .

That is exactly what you are doing. Do you expect historians who hates Christianity to mention Jesus Christ in their books/ Scrolls ? Do you expect historians who do not even believe that God exist to tell you that Jesus Christ once lived in this world?

Have you read more history books/ Scrolls than the British, German and Arab leaders who authenticated the existance of Jesus Christ? These people have enough information to verify the contents of any history scroll/ books.

Since you and I cannot verify what you read in your history books, I agree with the Church of England, Lutherian Church , Muslims, and other ancient Churches that Jesus Christ exist and is the begotten Son of God.

What you must realise is that when Chritainity became the official religion of Rome anyone that was opposed to anything different from the form of Christianity introduced would pay dearly as it is seen as heretic. So at that time it was easy for an emperor to start a different kind of religion.

Even as recently as in 1415, the Czech religious reformer Jan Hus (in English, John Hus or Huss), condemned as a heretic against the doctrines of the Catholic Church, was burned at the stake.
Source:
How much more during the time of emperor Custantine. If you were the one then and you know Jesus Christ was invented would you come out to expose it when you know the consequence, so the best would be Just to play along with it.

Even today you cannot challenge the mainstream media on any major event if you do not agree with it as you will get banned.

Correction: Now to your first question, King James was the one that allowed the Bible to be translated to English which the Catholic was against, so the reason was not to expose wether or not Jesus was invented..

HedwigesMaduro:
OK. Jesus Christ was invented by the Romans, who then started killing His followers after He was killed by the very Romans, whose emperor (Nero) blamed the same Christians for the great inferno at Rome... You are a real work of art if you think you made any sense in your postulation.

Where did you get all these information from?

MindHacker9009:


What you must realise is that when Chritainity became the official religion of Rome anyone that was opposed to anything different from the form of Christianity introduced would pay dearly as it is seen as heretic. So at that time it was easy for an emperor to start a different kind of religion.

Even as recently as in 1415, the Czech religious reformer Jan Hus (in English, John Hus or Huss), condemned as a heretic against the doctrines of the Catholic Church, was burned at the stake.
Source:
How much more during the time of emperor Custantine. If you were the one then and you know Jesus Christ was invented would you come out to expose it when you know the consequence, so the best would be Just to play along with it.

Even today you cannot challenge the mainstream media on any major event if you do not agree with it as you will get banned.

Now to your first question, King James was the one that broke England away from the Catholic Church so that he could marry another wife which the Catholic Church would not agree to, so the reason was not the exposure if Jesus was invented or not.

The issue is not whether King James wanted a second wife or not. When the Church of England left the Catholic Church, all the Romans traditions and dogmas practise in the Catholic Church was reviewed by the British Government.

At the end, the veneration of Mary was dropped by the Church of England since their was no Spiritual and historical reason for that. Hence assuming Jesus was invented by the Romans, the British would have expose the deceit at that time because the Romans were their arch- rival just as Russia is the arch rival of America today.

I agree with you that no one can challenge the ancient Roman Emperors in their territory. However their power starts and ends in Rome. That is the reason they could not do anything when the Church of England broke away and stopped the veneration of Mary.

Hence assuming the British exposed the invention of Jesus, the Romans cannot do anything. However there was nothing to expose hence the British accpted the existence of Jesus.

Mind you, the parents of Jesus Christ took him to Egypt when he was a baby. The Egyptians have authenticate that story. That is part of the reasons the Arab nations accepted the existence of Jesus hence he is a prominent figure in the Quran.

The truth of the matter is that Jesus Christ was born by Mary more than 2,000 years old. He lived in this world for about 33 years before he was crucified.

For Islam to authenticate the existance of Jesus Christ, the issue has been settled. Any historian who choses to deny or ignore the existence of Jesus is deceiving himself.

The Bible and Quran are the two greatest books in existence. They supercede all history books . Even the Romans could not add the veneration of Mary to the Bible because the Bible is more powerful than the Roman Empire.

The Jewish–Roman wars were a series of large-scale revolts by the Jews of the Eastern Mediterranean against the Roman Empire between 66 and 135 CE.
Source:

There was no Jesus Christ before and during the Jewish Roman war, which was a war between Jewish zealots and the Romans as Rome had placed the statue of Caesar in every Jewish temple for them to worship as well, but the Jews will not accept this and it was the toughest war the Romans have ever encountered. This was what led to the creation of a gentle Jesus Christ as psychological Warfare against fanatical Jews of that time, as the Romans were aware of how the Jews were so fantical with their written Torah, this was the reason they invented a gentle Jesus Christ to control the mind of the people away from the Torah which has wars scrolls as well, but Roman kept the original scrolls and destroyed the rest they found in Jewish temples.

The Torah books are the greatest books in existence as the Bible and Quran copied from it.

In 1532, he wanted to have his marriage to his wife, Catherine of Aragon, annulled. When Pope Clement VII refused to consent to the annulment, King Henry VIII decided to separate the entire country of England from the Roman Catholic Church.
Source:

Correction: King James was the one that allowed the Bible to be translated to English which the Catholic was against, so the reason was not to expose wether or not Jesus was invented.

MikeofAfrica:

The issue is not whether King James wanted a second wife or not. When the Church of England left the Catholic Church, all the Romans traditions and dogmas practise in the Catholic Church was reviewed by the British Government.

At the end, the veneration of Mary was dropped by the Church of England since their was no Spiritual and historical reason for that. Hence assuming Jesus was invented by the Romans, the British would have expose the deceit at that time because the Romans were their arch- rival just as Russia is the arch rival of America today.

I agree with you that no one can challenge the ancient Roman Emperors in their territory. However their power starts and ends in Rome. That is the reason they could not do anything when the Church of England broke away and stopped the veneration of Mary.

Hence assuming the British exposed the invention of Jesus, the Romans cannot do anything. However there was nothing to expose hence the British accpted the existence of Jesus.

Mind you, the parents of Jesus Christ took him to Egypt when he was a baby. The Egyptians have authenticate that story. That is part of the reasons the Arab nations accepted the existence of Jesus hence he is a prominent figure in the Quran.

The truth of the matter is that Jesus Christ was born by Mary more than 2,000 years old. He lived in this world for about 33 years before he was crucified.

For Islam to authenticate the existance of Jesus Christ, the issue has been settled. Any historian who choses to deny or ignore the existence of Jesus is deceiving himself.

The Bible and Quran are the two greatest books in existence. They supercede all history books . Even the Romans could not add the veneration of Mary to the Bible because the Bible is more powerful than the Roman Empire.

THE TRUE AUTHORSHIP OF THE NEW TESTAMENT | ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT INVENTED JESUS

Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A30SN8fEOQ

sharpwriter:

Lol... Well, I'm not interested in your topic, but what I have learnt about people of the world is hypocrisy or rather deception. They rarely show you the path that is blessing them or what they indulge in and enjoying from, but they know how to clamor on something watery so that your eyes won't find what they are doing in the original.

There is a thread on this nairaland where a guy said he has a very prayerful father (maybe MFM or so, can't remember the church). So he went to check something in his Dad's wardrobe and there he found a bat hanged down in there.

Questioning his father, his father only smiled, laughed and told him not to worry himself, no tangible explanation. The guy said since then, he hated him coz his Dad was someone who hammered on prayers, holiness heaven, hell bla bla.

Just like broda or papa wey dey preach abstinence but dey fvk olosho pass area Boys. Walahi people are crazy,

You are very correct. Now I know why they keep pumping in Jesus name they don't believe in to others, it's to make people gullible to them so that they control that person.

The Romans had done that and It is a good rallying point to UNDERSTAND LIFE.
The Romans were as concerned with the nature of life as Moses and the other Hebrew and Athenian Scholars.
IT IS ALL ABOUT LIFE AND IT IS A STORY MEANINGFULLY TOLD.
GOD BLESS THE INVENTION.
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT GOD IS THE BIG BANG.

FROM ORUNTO27

Ofemmanu1:


The Romans ain't daft, they could make anybody rat out the truth thru the unimaginable torture they administered.
However, even if they Invented Jesus; it's indeed a very good invention cos the Name alone works wonders..

Jesus Christ is Lord.

Only God is good, JESUS said.

MikeofAfrica:

Hence assuming the British exposed the invention of Jesus, the Romans cannot do anything. However there was nothing to expose hence the British accpted the existence of Jesus.

No government would like to expose Jesus as invented by the Romans because they know that all the people will hold the government to account if they find out that there is no Jesus Christ that has gone to prepare a mantion for them.

MindHacker9009:


No government would like to expose Jesus as invented by the Romans because they know that all the people will hold the government to account if they find out that there is no Jesus Christ that has gone to prepare a mantion for them.

If the Governments of the Arab Nations expose an invented Jesus Christ, will the Arab people revolt against such Government?

The truth is that any Arab Government that make such exposion will become more popular and loved by the Arab people for putting Christianity to shame.

In a court of Law, when a man's enemy/ rival bears witness in his favour, then it means that man is innocent . The testimony of a man's enemy/ rival is the most authentic if it is in his favour.

Hence for the Arabs to authenticate the existence of Jesus, all your arguments has been defeated. The Muslims are the greatest witness to the existence of Jesus Christ.

The British Government abolished the veneration of Blessed Virgin Mary and there was no riot in Britian. Hence if Jesus was invented by the Roman and the British Government exposes it, there will also not be any revolt.

MikeofAfrica:


If the Governments of the Arab Nations expose an invented Jesus Christ, will the Arab people revolt against such Government?

The truth is that any Arab Government that make such exposion will become more popular and loved by the Arab people for putting Christianity to shame.

In a court of Law, when a man's enemy/ rival bears witness in his favour, then it means that man is innocent . The testimony of a man's enemy/ rival is the most authentic if it is in his favour.

Hence for the Arabs to authenticate the existence of Jesus, all your arguments has been defeated. The Muslims are the greatest witness to the existence of Jesus Christ.

The British Government abolished the veneration of Blessed Virgin Mary and there was no riot in Britian. Hence if Jesus was invented by the Roman and the British Government exposes it, there will also not be any revolt.

There is no historical record of any one who saw Jesus Christ, so what the Jews and Arads know about Jesus Christ centuries later is what they were told and taught by the Roman empire. Just like the moon landing only NASA knows whether they did land a man on the moon or not, we just have to believe what they tell us. So was it, when Christainity became the official religion of Rome, the people just had to believe what they were told and taught.

Where did Jesus Christ or Paul the apostle command that anyone that does not do as the church tells them should be burnt at the stake. If this was how the Chritainity that became the official religion in Rome was practiced then surely it has nothing to do with Jesus Christ or Paul the apostle and the early Christains would have rejected it.
In 1536 William Tyndale was executed by the Roman Catholic Church his crime giving the people of England the Word of God in their own language a tyrannical church like Rome could not have their authority undermined by an English Bible William Tyndale had to be killed if the Pope wanted to remain in control of the people of England William Tyndale's and his body was set on fire.

Source:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGwwScorP6w

MindHacker9009:


There is no historical record of any one who saw Jesus Christ, so what the Jews and Arads know about Jesus Christ centuries later is what they were told and taught by the Roman empire. Just like the moon landing only NASA knows whether they did land a man on the moon or not, we just have to believe what they tell us. So was it, when Christainity became the official religion of Rome, the people just had to believe what they were told and taught.

Where did Jesus Christ or Paul the apostle command that anyone that does not do as the church tells them should be burnt at the stake. If this was how the Chritainity that became the official religion in Rome was practiced then surely it has nothing to do with Jesus Christ or Paul the apostle and the early Christains would have rejected it.
In 1536 William Tyndale was executed by the Roman Catholic Church his crime giving the people of England the Word of God in their own language a tyrannical church like Rome could not have their authority undermined by an English Bible William Tyndale had to be killed if the Pope wanted to remain in control of the people of England William Tyndale's and his body was set on fire.

Source:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGwwScorP6w

My Brother, please stop this your needless argument, it is making you sound like a kid.

In your first paragraph, you said there was no historical record that anyone saw Jesus Christ on Earth. How many historical records have you seen and read?

The greatest historical book in the world that traces the origin of man to Adam and Eve is the Bible. No other historical book has successfully contradicted the Bible regarding the first man and woman on Earth.

That is why our kids are thought in school that the first man and woman that exist on Earth are Adam and Eve.

That makes the Bible the greatest historical book in existence. All the historical books you have been quoting are inferior to the Bible. Some of them have never even be recommended for use at Schools.

The Old Testament told us about the coming of Jesus Christ in Isaiah 9 : 6-7. The New Testament then started by tracing the linage of Jesus Christ back to King David, then to Abraham and then to Adam.

Hence if you say that Jesus does not exist, then it also means that King David and Abraham never exist.

A Muslim will be stoned by other Muslims if he makes the kind of argument that you are making. However Jesus Christ told us to continue loving people like you.

Historical records cannot save your soul but Jesus Christ can save you from the power of Sin. He can save you from the lake of fire and Grant you eternal life in paradise.

Hence forget about historical records and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. He will personally prove to you that He exist.

MikeofAfrica:


My Brother, please stop this your needless argument, it is making you sound like a kid.

In your first paragraph, you said there was no historical record that anyone saw Jesus Christ on Earth. How many historical records have you seen and read?

The greatest historical book in the world that traces the origin of man to Adam and Eve is the Bible. No other historical book has successfully contradicted the Bible regarding the first man and woman on Earth.

That is why our kids are thought in school that the first man and woman that exist on Earth are Adam and Eve.

That makes the Bible the greatest historical book in existence. All the historical books you have been quoting are inferior to the Bible. Some of them have never even be recommended for use at Schools.

The Old Testament told us about the coming of Jesus Christ in Isaiah 9 : 6-7. The New Testament then started by tracing the linage of Jesus Christ back to King David, then to Abraham and then to Adam.

Hence if you say that Jesus does not exist, then it also means that King David and Abraham never exist.

A Muslim will be stoned by other Muslims if he makes the kind of argument that you are making. However Jesus Christ told us to continue loving people like you.

Historical records cannot save your soul but Jesus Christ can save you from the power of Sin. He can save you from the lake of fire and Grant you eternal life in paradise.

Hence forget about historical records and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. He will personally prove to you that He exist.

The truth is that you are the one sounding like a kid.

Read up about Alexander The Great. There are historical records of him.
He was born in Pella, Macedonia, in 356 B.C. to King Philip II and Queen Olympias.
Alexander’s period in Egypt was marked by two major events, the founding of Alexandria April 331 BBC.
There was even a Statue of him going back 2,200 Years. He was the one that founded the city called Alexandria in present day Egypt.

Jesus Christ with all His fame, but no one who saw he wrote about him.

If truly it was the early Chritainity that became the official religion in Rome then surely the early Christains would have rejected it, as it did not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and Paul the apostle, and they would have continued with their own form of Christainity till today.

Isaiah 9:6-7 Is not about Jesus.

I know it's hard for you to believe but the truth is that the Roman empire invented Jesus Christ.

MindHacker9009:


The truth is that you are the one sounding like a kid.

Read up about Alexander The Great. There are historical records of him.
He was born in Pella, Macedonia, in 356 B.C. to King Philip II and Queen Olympias.
Alexander’s period in Egypt was marked by two major events, the founding of Alexandria April 331 BBC.
There was even a Statue of him going back 2,200 Years. He was the one that founded the city called Alexandria in present day Egypt.

Jesus Christ with all His fame, but no one who saw he wrote about him.

If truly it was the early Chritainity that became the official religion in Rome then surely the early Christains would have rejected it, as it did not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and Paul the apostle, and they would have continued with their own form of Christainity till today.

Isaiah 9:6-7 Is not about Jesus.

I know it's hard for you to believe but the truth is that the Roman empire invented Jesus Christ.

I will ask you four basic questions. If you can answer these four questions then I will begin to take you serious.

1. Do you believe that the Bible is a reaible spiritual, religious and history book?
From what you wrote, it seems you only believe in the OT but does not believe in the NT. Hence if Isaiah 9: 6-7 is not about Jesus Christ, then who is the child that will become " The Almighty God, Everlasting father, Prince of Peace"?

2. From what you wrote, you believe the Romans invented Jesus Christ . This means that the Romans wrote the NT.
Hence assuming the Romans wrote the NT , why did they not include the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary into the NT?
Why did the Romans included Bible verses in the NT that exposes the real identity of the Queen of Heaven , the mother of false religion, who they are deceiving people to accept as Mary ( Read Revelation chapter 17).
Will the Romans expose their demonic goddess in a book that they wrote?

3. Assuming the Romans invented Jesus Christ, why did the British not expose them after the Anglican Church left the Catholic Church? Why did the Arab nations not expose them when they were fight wars with the Romans.
Are you saying that for over 2,000 years, the ancient Roman Empire has been deceiving the entire World and no nation has discover this expect the few members of your sect.

4. Assuming Jesus Christ does not exist, why are miracles still happening today at the mention of his name.
In year 2000, I witnessed a 15 years old blind boy from my community seeing for the first time at Reinhard Bonnke crusade in Lagos. Can an invented name perform such miracle?

It is an insult for you to mention names like Alexander the Great when we are talking about the Almighty God, Jesus Christ( Isaiah 9:6-7).
The first four books of the NT wrote exclusively about Jesus Christ. The Holy Quran also wrote exclusively about Jesus Christ.
The Bible and the Quran remains the two greatest books ever written on Earth. They supercede every folktale history book that you have been reading.

MikeofAfrica:

I will ask you four basic questions. If you can answer these four questions then I will begin to take you serious.

1. Do you believe that the Bible is a reaible spiritual, religious and history book?
From what you wrote, it seems you only believe in the OT but does not believe in the NT. Hence if Isaiah 9: 6-7 is not about Jesus Christ, then who is the child that will become " The Almighty God, Everlasting father, Prince of Peace"?

2. From what you wrote, you believe the Romans invented Jesus Christ . This means that the Romans wrote the NT.
Hence assuming the Romans wrote the NT , why did they not include the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary into the NT?
Why did the Romans included Bible verses in the NT that exposes the real identity of the Queen of Heaven , the mother of false religion, who they are deceiving people to accept as Mary ( Read Revelation chapter 17).
Will the Romans expose their demonic goddess in a book that they wrote?

3. Assuming the Romans invented Jesus Christ, why did the British not expose them after the Anglican Church left the Catholic Church? Why did the Arab nations not expose them when they were fight wars with the Romans.
Are you saying that for over 2,000 years, the ancient Roman Empire has been deceiving the entire World and no nation has discover this expect the few members of your sect.

4. Assuming Jesus Christ does not exist, why are miracles still happening today at the mention of his name.
In year 2000, I witnessed a 15 years old blind boy from my community seeing for the first time at Reinhard Bonnke crusade in Lagos. Can an invented name perform such miracle?

It is an insult for you to mention names like Alexander the Great when we are talking about the Almighty God, Jesus Christ( Isaiah 9:6-7).
The first four books of the NT wrote exclusively about Jesus Christ. The Holy Quran also wrote exclusively about Jesus Christ.
The Bible and the Quran remains the two greatest books ever written on Earth. They supercede every folktale history book that you have been reading.

Ans: 1. One can find and know the TRUE GOD by studying the Old Testament, but the truth is that we don't have the Original Old Testament scrolls the Roman empire too away from the Temple Jerusalem in Israel, while they destroyed entire Jewish religious sects and their scrolls as they won't worship the gods the Roman empire placed in their Temples.
The King James Bible does not contain all the Books in the Catholic Bible, as some Old Testament Books were dropped because they did not agree with them. Also the Ethiopian Bible has more books than the Catholic Bible and all these Bibles were written after Emperor Constantine made christianity the official religion.

Ans 2. This has answered your question as Satan is very smart too.

sharpwriter:

There is a thread on this nairaland where a guy said he has a very prayerful father (maybe MFM or so, can't remember the church). So he went to check something in his Dad's wardrobe and there he found a bat hanged down in there.

Questioning his father, his father only smiled, laughed and told him not to worry himself, no tangible explanation. The guy said since then, he hated him coz his Dad was someone who hammered on prayers, holiness heaven, hell bla bla.

Just like broda or papa wey dey preach abstinence but dey fvk olosho pass area Boys.   Walahi people are crazy,  

Ans 3. You wrote before that you are ["aware that majority of Christian leaders belong to Demonic cults. I know about the Anglican Priest that founded The Reformed Ogboni Fraternity"].

So why then do they preach in their churches against secret societies to the worshippers and tell them that Jesus is the only true way and those that join demonic cults are going to hell?

Is the Vatican Suppressing the Dead Sea Scrolls?
A book that will soon be available in the United States was recently published in England under the title The Dead Sea Scroll Deception by Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh (Jonathan Cape, 1991).
1 The book’s thesis is that the Vatican is suppressing the Dead Sea Scrolls because they will undermine vital Christian doctrine. The authors’ first bit of evidence is the unconscionable publication delays: Of over 500 texts found in Qumran Cave 4 beginning in 1952, only approximately 100 have been published after nearly 40 years. (The 300 texts from other caves have almost all been published.)
Source: https://www.baslibrary.org/biblical-archaeology-review/17/6/11
Even more sinister is the fact that the small coterie of editors who control access to the 400 unpublished texts from Cave 4 won’t let other scholars see their secret hoard.

Your sect either knows that Jesus was invented by the Roman Empire or so much fear has been put in you that you don’t want to seek the truth in today’s world of free information high way.

Ans 4. God is very merciful if that Miracle is true. GOD is aware that most people are unaware that the Roman empire invented Jesus Christ and do believe they are worshipping The TRUE GOD through Jesus Christ.

God uses true history to make us understand the Bible better and to know some truth that has been hidden from us. If Nigeria was created 2000 years ago and there are no historical records then you won't know that it was the that Europeans created Nigeria from the other groups in the area called Nigeria after they conquered those areas and in the Benin Kingdom they took their gods away to Europe were they placed them in museums, same as the Roman empire destroyed the Temple in 70AD and took the Temple scrolls and other Religions item from the Temple in Jerusalem to Roman but hid original Temple scroll from the public and from these Temple scrolls they wrote the New Testament.

The New Testament is not about Isaiah. This has been discussed many times on the forum

MindHacker9009:


Ans: 1. One can find and know the TRUE GOD by studying the Old Testament, but the truth is that we don't have the Original Old Testament scrolls the Roman empire too away from the Temple Jerusalem in Israel, while they destroyed entire Jewish religious sects and their scrolls as they won't worship the gods the Roman empire placed in their Temples.
The King James Bible does not contain all the Books in the Catholic Bible, as some Old Testament Books were dropped because they did not agree with them. Also the Ethiopian Bible has more books than the Catholic Bible and all these Bibles were written after Emperor Constantine made christianity the official religion.

Ans 2. This has answered your question as Satan is very smart too.


Ans 3. You wrote before that you are ["aware that majority of Christian leaders belong to Demonic cults. I know about the Anglican Priest that founded The Reformed Ogboni Fraternity"].

So why then do they preach in their churches against secret societies to the worshippers and tell them that Jesus is the only true way and those that join demonic cults are going to hell?

Is the Vatican Suppressing the Dead Sea Scrolls?
A book that will soon be available in the United States was recently published in England under the title The Dead Sea Scroll Deception by Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh (Jonathan Cape, 1991).
1 The book’s thesis is that the Vatican is suppressing the Dead Sea Scrolls because they will undermine vital Christian doctrine. The authors’ first bit of evidence is the unconscionable publication delays: Of over 500 texts found in Qumran Cave 4 beginning in 1952, only approximately 100 have been published after nearly 40 years. (The 300 texts from other caves have almost all been published.)
Source: https://www.baslibrary.org/biblical-archaeology-review/17/6/11
Even more sinister is the fact that the small coterie of editors who control access to the 400 unpublished texts from Cave 4 won’t let other scholars see their secret hoard.

Your sect either knows that Jesus was invented by the Roman Empire or so much fear has been put in you that you don’t want to seek the truth in today’s world of free information high way.

Ans 4. God is very merciful if that Miracle is true. GOD is aware that most people are unaware that the Roman empire invented Jesus Christ and do believe they are worshipping The TRUE GOD through Jesus Christ.

God uses true history to make us understand the Bible better and to know some truth that has been hidden from us. If Nigeria was created 2000 years ago and there are no historical records then you won't know that it was the that Europeans created Nigeria from the other groups in the area called Nigeria after they conquered those areas and in the Benin Kingdom they took their gods away to Europe were they placed them in museums, same as the Roman empire destroyed the Temple in 70AD and took the Temple scrolls and other Religions item from the Temple in Jerusalem to Roman but hid original Temple scroll from the public and from these Temple scrolls they wrote the New Testament.

The New Testament is not about Isaiah. This has been discussed many times on the forum

It's unfortunate that I could not get the answer to any of the four questions from what you wrote.

1. Since you claimed that the prophesy of Isaiah in Isaiah 9: 6-7 is not about Jesus Christ, I had wanted you to confide in me the identity of the child who Isaiah described as - " Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father and Prince of Peace".


2. You wrote elaborately how the Romans seized the scroll of the OT and then wrote the NT by themselves hence inventing Jesus Christ.
That is the reason I asked you the second question. The signature of the Roman Catholic Church is the Veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Assuming the Romans altered the OT and invented the NT, why did they fail to sign their signature in the Bible? Can the Romans write the 27 Books of the NT without mentioning the Rosary?
Can the Romans alter the OT and write the NT without making a case for the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the Bible?

The issue is that I am a pragmatic person that deals with practical evidences while you are a rigid person that deals with historical evidences.

In Luke 11: 27-28, Jesus Christ countered a woman who tries to pay tribute to His mother, Mary, in His presence. If the Romans have the opportunity to alter or write the Bible as you claim, that passage will not be in the Bible because it is against the Doctrines and dogmas of the Roman Catholic church.

Those are the kind of practical evidence that convinced me the Romans did not alter or write the Bible.

3. You have so far failed to confide in me why Islam will accept the existence of Jesus if there are evidences that the Romans invented him.
Will you cover up a fraud committed by your enemy when you can take advantage of such fraud to destroy your enemy?

4. God is very principled. He cannot answer a prayer that is not channeled through the right medium.
Hence for Christianity to have dominate the world for over 2000 years during which we have seen them receive practical answers to their prayers, it means that they have been following the right medium in their relationship with God.

I am the last person that will cover- up any abomination that I see in the church. There are some abominations happening in today churches which I agreed with you when you mentioned some of them.

I will also be the last person that will keep silence if I discovered that Jesus Christ was invented by anyone. However, if there is one thing that I am sure of in my relationship with God, it is the existence of Jesus Christ, the mediator between us and God.

MikeofAfrica:



It's unfortunate that I could not get the answer to any of the four questions from what you wrote.

1. Since you claimed that the prophesy of Isaiah in Isaiah 9: 6-7 is not about Jesus Christ, I had wanted you to confide in me the identity of the child who Isaiah described as - " Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father and Prince of Peace".


2. You wrote elaborately how the Romans seized the scroll of the OT and then wrote the NT by themselves hence inventing Jesus Christ.
That is the reason I asked you the second question. The signature of the Roman Catholic Church is the Veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Assuming the Romans altered the OT and invented the NT, why did they fail to sign their signature in the Bible? Can the Romans write the 27 Books of the NT without mentioning the Rosary?
Can the Romans alter the OT and write the NT without making a case for the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the Bible?

The issue is that I am a pragmatic person that deals with practical evidences while you are a rigid person that deals with historical evidences.

In Luke 11: 27-28, Jesus Christ countered a woman who tries to pay tribute to His mother, Mary, in His presence. If the Romans have the opportunity to alter or write the Bible as you claim, that passage will not be in the Bible because it is against the Doctrines and dogmas of the Roman Catholic church.

Those are the kind of practical evidence that convinced me the Romans did not alter or write the Bible.

3. You have so far failed to confide in me why Islam will accept the existence of Jesus if there are evidences that the Romans invented him.
Will you cover up a fraud committed by your enemy when you can take advantage of such fraud to destroy your enemy?

4. God is very principled. He cannot answer a prayer that is not channeled through the right medium.
Hence for Christianity to have dominate the world for over 2000 years during which we have seen them receive practical answers to their prayers, it means that they have been following the right medium in their relationship with God.

I am the last person that will cover- up any abomination that I see in the church. There are some abominations happening in today churches which I agreed with you when you mentioned some of them.

I will also be the last person that will keep silence if I discovered that Jesus Christ was invented by anyone. However, if there is one thing that I am sure of in my relationship with God, it is the existence of Jesus Christ, the mediator between us and God.

Here is were the Catholic got it from:
Luke 1:28
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

I have responded before that the what the Arabs know about Jesus Christ was what the Roman empire told them.

You are the one who is rigid as you don't want to know about historical facts. Since you called historical records folktale, I will ask you this, what happened to the Temple in Jerusalem that Jesus talked about?

Putting historical facts together, it is very simple to know that Jesus Christ was a creation of the Roman empire as the Jews were not the ones that started Christianity.

Where was Jesus Christ a king, when they tried to make Him king He refused to be made king. The Jews at the time were fighting the Romans to get their land of Israel back and were expecting a Messiah to come out of them and if any of them had won like David then that Jew would have been their king. This was why the Romans invented a gentle Jesus Christ as a ‘psychological Warfare’ against the Jewish Zealots fighting them.

MindHacker9009:


Here is were the Catholic got it from:
Luke 1:28
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

I have responded before that the what the Arabs know about Jesus Christ was what the Roman empire told them.

You are the one who is rigid as you don't want to know about historical facts. Since you called historical records folktale, I will ask you this, what happened to the Temple in Jerusalem that Jesus talked about?

Putting historical facts together, it is very simple to know that Jesus Christ was a creation of the Roman empire as the Jews were not the ones that started Christianity.

Where was Jesus Christ a king, when they tried to make Him king He refused to be made king. The Jews at the time were fighting the Romans to get their land of Israel back and were expecting a Messiah to come out of them and if any of them had won like David then that Jew would have been their king. This was why the Romans invented a gentle Jesus Christ as a ‘psychological Warfare’ against the Jewish Zealots fighting them.

You are still not hitting the nails of the four questions.

1. Who is the Child prophesied by Prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 9: 6-7. The identity of that child refered to as the " Almighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace " will assist us to know if Jesus Christ exist or not.

If you cannot unveil the identity of that child then it means your sect has no moral ground to counter those who believe that Child is Jesus Christ.
Hence all your arguments have been defeated.

2. Whenever a member of the Roman Catholic church wants to defend the veneration of Mary, he will likely to quote Luke 1:28.
Hence I was not surprise that you mentioned it. The Greeting of Angel Gabriel is the traditional greetings of God's Angels when they are on a mission to deliver a message to someone.
In Judges 6: 12, an Angel greeted Gideon as a mighty man of valour before delivering a message to him.
In Luke 1: 28, Angel Gabriel greeted Mary as highly favoured. The Angel did not call Mary the Queen of Heaven . The Angel did not ask the world to honour and render prayers to Mary.

Hence using Luke 1:28 as the basis for the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary is clutching at straws.

If someone gives you the privilege of writing a book to convince the world that you are an important personality and all you could write about yourself was how an angel greeted you then it shows you do not even believe that you are a VIP.

The Romans are not stupid. If they have the opportunity to write the Bible as you claim, they will devout at least five books in the Bible to convince us why the veneration of Blessed Virgin Mary is necessary for all Christian.

They will delect all Bible verses that is against the Veneration of Mary such as Luke 11: 27- 28, Mark 3: 32-35, Jeremiah 44: 15-30 etc

They will then use at least one book in the Bible to teach us the praying of the Rosary.

That is what I mean by the signature of the Catholic Church. The signature is missing in the Bible. The Romans cannot alter and write the Bible without signing their signature on it to making it a Roman Project.

I can assure you that if the Romans have the opportunity to alter and write the Bible, no other Church on Earth will be able to use the Bible except the Catholic Church because it will be a complete Roman project.

3. Your sect have so much information about how the Romans invented Jesus Christ but you believe the Arabs are illeterates that can't access these informations hence they are presently relying on what the Romans told their ancestors thousands of years ago.

This is one of the most useless comment that I have seen recently. Do you know that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia can buy the present Roman Empire hence even the official of the Italian government can leak their biggest secret to Saudi Arabia.

Do you know how many intelligent agencies that are working for the Government of Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Caliphate in Mecca.

Do you know how desperate these agencies are working to get vital informations that will ridicule Christianity? Assuming you have vital informations that can prove Jesus Christ was invented by the Romans, I would have link you to Saudi Arabia and you will become a dollar millionaire before the New Year.

However all you have been using to back your claims are folktales from historical books that are inferior to the Bible and Quran. This shows that you have no concrete point and envidence.