hensben:
Hope you read the comment I replied. You can’t eat your cake and have it.

Hazard is a winger, Iniesta is a CM termed CAM by some Chelsea fans just to defend lampard
Question is are wingers and CMs expected to play the same role on the pitch? Who's expected to produce goals more, the midfielders?

raumdeuter:


Neymar and Hazard are attackers who are measured by goals and assists

Iniesta is a midfielder. How many times have you seen goals of Kroos or Modric being discussed

Hazard is a winger and primary duty wasn’t to score but dribble and create chances.

popizaino:



How did they measure controlling possession?

You’re expected to counter that when Ibime said so but you dodged it.


Or maybe I should ask plainly for people to read your answer.

Between Xavi and Inesta, who controls the midfield more?

So vvd was protecting Messi from his own teamates of what

Kilishihunter:

Hazard is a winger, Iniesta is a CM termed CAM by some Chelsea fans just to defend lampard
Question is are wingers and CMs expected to play the same role on the pitch? Who's expected to produce goals more, the midfielders?

This is what is expected of a winger.

hensben:
This is what is expected of a winger.

You didn't answer my question

Question is are wingers and CMs expected to play the same role on the pitch? Who's expected to produce goals more, the midfielders?

Taguchi:


I no argue that wan,i love Modric but i know him limits too


my own be say if you wan agend atleast make your agenda dey consistent.

not something like this



Everybody is a carryalong


i dont even need to dig anything, i been sabi when you make most of these contradicting statements.

I assure you, you go soon call Xavi fraud for this thread na just a matter of time and Agenda, just watch

Is there anytime Busquets has not been a controller?

My problem with Busquet is off the ball escorting, not on the ball, same issue with Mikel.

I am responsible for what I write, not what you understand. Continue digging nonsense, you go soon turn to DonJ

popizaino:



What if Italy or Germany wins the next two edition ?

They will still be far behind them in terms of achievements.
My team ( Germany) is the only team that is close to Brazil in terms of appearance and achievement.
My point is (as far as world cup is concerned) don't drag Brazil with England .

donstan18:




But if we’re being honest, there’s no consistency in agenda.

Nobody dead or alive has a consistent agenda here.

we dey talk the same tin brotherly, na just say almost everybody no they believe say their own na Agenda, they argue like it's some objective fact

Truth be told, I love agenda sha if done properly, especially when it's been launched by Inteligent bosses like Ibims and co

Cause na only agenda fit make a former Pessimist sudenly become a Peletive

Ibime:

What Pep can only do with Messi (GOAT), Fergie will do with Dwight Yorke as his main man.
.

Kilishihunter:

Hazard is a winger, Iniesta is a CM termed CAM by some Chelsea fans just to defend lampard
Question is are wingers and CMs expected to play the same role on the pitch? Who's expected to produce goals more, the midfielders?

Im only calling out a double standard. Hazard played mostly for defensive coaches at Chelsea and he was a proper winger, I.e, driving, dribbling and creating chances for his team mates. Iniesta assisting output as CAM for someone that played with Messi who has lots of goals was poor but hazard should be criticized because he didn’t score Neymar’s exact number of goals even when one played for Messi led Barca and psg.

Ibime:


Is there anytime Busquets has not been a controller?

My problem with Busquet is off the ball escorting, not on the ball, same issue with Mikel.

I am responsible for what I write, not what you understand. Continue digging nonsense, you go soon turn to DonJ

be calming down egbon

the same supreme midfield controller that you once said you can't wish on your worst enemy?

whatever deficiencies you think he has, he more than makes up for it with intelligent plays; at least he used to.

just agree say most of these things na agenda

fredoooooo:
Talo bami ri chi2pimp.... ja lo lo , ja lo lo
Who help me see chicken and shrimp .. ja lo lo, ja lo lo
Who help me see chic2pimp .. ja lo lo , ja lo lo

Chrismas is coming, the best thing to do is to hide.

Kilishihunter:

You didn't answer my question

CAM and wingers have similar duty on the field of play. While one create from the wing the other from the middle. Iniesta was CAM hence his free role on the pitch, sometimes you even see him on the wing dribbling. Xavi was the dictator.

hensben:
Im only calling out a double standard. Hazard played mostly for defensive coaches at Chelsea and he was a proper winger, I.e, driving, dribbling and creating chances for his team mates. Iniesta assisting output as CAM for someone that played with Messi who has lots of goals was poor but hazard should be criticized because he didn’t score Neymar’s exact number of goals even when one played for Messi led Barca and psg.

Lol you don't also know that the Messi himself was also coming deep to orchestrate play, dribble and churn out assists himself via his free role abi?
Btw how is 127 assists from a CM for barça poor?

MorataFC:
England like Brazil?
If Brazil fail to win world cup in the next 3 edition, no team can still match their records.

Brazil still worst pass England

At least England aren’t hyped like the time of Gerard Lampard and co

Na every World Cup dem Dey hype Brazil ,na Wetin give them the mind to Dey dance like clowns when they haven’t even gotten anywhere

The most talented team at this World Cup remains France England and Portugal

The most serious and dedicated teams are croatia Morocco and argentina

Brazil remains the overhyped team at this World Cup ,nobody Dey follow them drag am

I am sure that at some point Lucas paqueta will be feeling like zidane and marquinos will be feeling like maldini

hensben:
CAM and wingers have similar duty on the field of play. While one create from the wing the other from the middle. Iniesta was CAM hence his free role on the pitch, sometimes you even see him on the wing dribbling. Xavi was the dictator.

Iniesta was mainly a central midfielder, progressive yes while xavi sat back, A CAM is a no. 10 with a free role to roam across the final third with almost no restrictions, Messi mostly occupied that role, See talk just to defend ikebe super
If iniesta is a CAM do you also agree modric is one too since Kroos 's deep lying playmaker role allows him to push forward?

neztar:
between ronaldo and neymar, who cried better after losing? I saw neymar cry against croatia and it look like he was faking it.

ask Trevor012

hensben:
Hazard is a winger and primary duty wasn’t to score but dribble and create chances.

They are forwards what you posted is wingers in a 442

Is this what Salah Ronaldo Messi Neymar are delivering?

Taguchi:


we dey talk the same tin brotherly, na just say almost everybody no they believe say their own na Agenda, they argue like it's some objective fact

Truth be told, I love agenda sha if done properly, especially when it's been launched by Inteligent bosses like Ibims and co

Cause na only agenda fit make a former Pessimist sudenly become a Peletive

So There was a time ibime saw Messi as the goat

Ibime:


Is there anytime Busquets has not been a controller?

My problem with Busquet is off the ball escorting, not on the ball, same issue with Mikel.

I am responsible for what I write, not what you understand. Continue digging nonsense, you go soon turn to DonJ

hensben:
Im only calling out a double standard. Hazard played mostly for defensive coaches at Chelsea and he was a proper winger, I.e, driving, dribbling and creating chances for his team mates. Iniesta assisting output as CAM for someone that played with Messi who has lots of goals was poor but hazard should be criticized because he didn’t score Neymar’s exact number of goals even when one played for Messi led Barca and psg.

Hazard played under Zidane and Ancelotti an attacking coach. Wat did he achieve

raumdeuter:


Hensben no know ball

Even if Lampard played with Messi, there is absolutely no guarantee he would better his goals and assists at barça, is it someone that is more direct and gets those numbers wella from counter attacks that will be patient to do pass the ball, receive the ball until there's a good opening to score? Does he have the skill to weave through swarms of defenders like iniesta to drag defenders and create openings for his other teammates? Abi he will be dragging goals with messi who is mostly the final bustop of final passes from his teammates? Who will even allow him take set pieces?
That's how xavi would have also been dragged like everybody too if Messi had represented Spain

popizaino:


And so fucking true. Deal with it.

That should easily tells you is impact in the game than your mere imaginary stats that doesnt speak the whole volume.

Iniesta was there when they lost in 2008 so was Xavi but not iniesta wasn't there when they lost in 2010.

Shame no go gree you to post his stats.

What were his contributions? Post am if e sure for you. Stop giving us imaginary megedefegede. What were his tangible contributions. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't

That's how you were shamelessly mentioning 05/06 and 14/15 season seasons he dropped poverty and disgraceful numbers

Ohh. So Iniesta was there and they still lost? I thought Barcelona were unbeatable whenever Iniesta played. This throws your entire argument inside dustbin then. Since we have proof Barcelona lose even with Iniesta

donstan18:

You’re expected to counter that when Ibime said so but you dodged it.


Or maybe I should ask plainly for people to read your answer.

Between Xavi and Inesta, who controls the midfield more?

I dont need to counter just need to agree with him and play along,so that he would fall into trap of not being able to answer further when i juxtapose whatever he said with others and he didn't fail. Now to your question how do we measure control?

popizaino:



Greatest Spanish player of all time.


Next........

Iniesta will slap you for disrespecting his Boss

Kilishihunter:

Iniesta was a central midfielder, progressive yes while xavi sat back, A CAM is a no. 10 with a free role to roam across the final third with almost no restrictions, Messi mostly occupied that role, See talk just to defend ikebe super
If iniesta is a CAM do you also agree modric is one too since Kroos 's deep lying playmaker role allows him to push forward?

Now you said on the pitch which apply to hazard too. The yellow marker indicate where hazard played for Chelsea, the first yellow under conte/sari and the second one under mou. The black indicate where iniesta played for Barca while blue for Neymar and Messi. You want me to understand Messi was iniesta’s problem by doing his job but don’t want to accept Hazard played mostly under defensive coaches. Isn’t that double standard. Iniesta played free role midfield for Barca, he was everywhere upfront.

MorataFC:
They will still be far behind them in terms of achievements.
My team ( Germany) is the only team that is close to Brazil in terms of appearance and achievement.
My point is (as far as world cup is concerned) don't drag Brazil with England .

How ?


If either italy or Germany should win the next two edition they would be on 6 world cups which will be greater than Brazil with 5.


True on the bolded.

popizaino:



I dont need to counter just need to agree with him and play along,so that he would fall into trap of not being able to answer further when i juxtapose whatever he said with others and he didn't fail. Now to your question how do we measure control?

Chai! Omo e choke you no be small.

hensben:
Now you said on the pitch which apply to hazard too. The yellow marker indicate where hazard played for Chelsea, the first yellow under conte/sari and the second one under mou. The black indicate where iniesta played for Barca while blue for Neymar and Messi. You want me to understand Messi was iniesta’s problem by doing his job but don’t want to accept Hazard played mostly under defensive coaches. Isn’t that double standard. Iniesta played free role midfield for Barca, he was everywhere upfront.

Iniesta always was part of the midfield 3 in a 433
Hazard was always part of the front 3 in a 433

Kilishihunter:

Even if Lampard played with Messi, there is absolutely no guarantee he would better his goals and assists at barça, is it someone that is more direct and gets those numbers wella from counter attacks that will be patient to do pass the ball, receive the ball until there's a good opening to score? Does he have the skill to weave through swarms of defenders like iniesta to drag defenders and create openings for his other teammates? Abi he will be dragging goals with messi who is mostly the final bustop of final passes from his teammates? Who will even allow him take set pieces?
That's how xavi would have also been dragged like everybody too if Messi had represented Spain

So now you know dribbling matters due to Barca set up but don’t want to understand hazard was the one orchestrating attack for Chelsea, he was the ball carrier from LM, a defensive set up under mou to attack.

Taguchi:


we dey talk the same tin brotherly, na just say almost everybody no they believe say their own na Agenda, they argue like it's some objective fact

Truth be told, I love agenda sha if done properly, especially when it's been launched by Inteligent bosses like Ibims and co

Cause na only agenda fit make a former Pessimist sudenly become a Peletive

You are out to slander me, why you no quote the whole post for proper interpretation. Shey you see wickedness?

Messi is a GOAT but he never reach to top THE GOAT

Ibime:

What Pepe can only do with Messi (GOAT), Fergie will do with Dwight Yorke as his main man.

Pep is no different from Brazil coaches of the 60s and 70s winning with Pele.

raumdeuter:


Hazard played under Zidane and Ancelotti an attacking coach. Wat did he achieve

Did he even play under them as you opined or injury happened to him there.