raumdeuter:


They are forwards what you posted is wingers in a 442

Is this what Salah Ronaldo Messi Neymar are delivering?

Hazard played 4231 under mou which is equivalent to 442 formation. Iniesta was CAM like Lampard is that what Lampard was delivering. Hazard was a winger under defensive coaches.

Kilishihunter:

Even if Lampard played with Messi, there is absolutely no guarantee he would better his goals and assists at barça, is it someone that is more direct and gets those numbers wella from counter attacks that will be patient to do pass the ball, receive the ball until there's a good opening to score? Does he have the skill to weave through swarms of defenders like iniesta to drag defenders and create openings for his other teammates? Abi he will be dragging goals with messi who is mostly the final bustop of final passes from his teammates? Who will even allow him take set pieces?
That's how xavi would have also been dragged like everybody too if Messi had represented Spain

Lampard will absolutely crush it with Messi

When CLINICAL players get more activity in the box, they score more, it's simple probability

Na so dem say Lampard no go score for high possession team, when Ancelotti brought high possession football with common Deco and Belletti that Iniesta has been enjoying since, Lampard scored 27 and assisted 20 that season

Una get luck say Lampard no move go Barcelona when they wanted him. Common Modric that Lampard used to bully in EPL went there to be dragging status with your midfield goat

hensben:
Did he even play under them as you opined or injury happened to him there.

He played but was not good enough. and was benched

Ibime:


Lampard will absolutely crush it with Messi

When CLINICAL players get more activity in the box, they score more, it's simple probability

Na so dem say Lampard no go score for high possession team, when Ancelotti brought high possession football with common Deco and Belletti that Iniesta has been enjoying since, Lampard scored 27 and assisted 20

The same activity wey Lampard get and ended world cup with most shots without a goal

popizaino:



Should we move to Fabregas and Xavi? Lampard/Gerrard and zidane ? Fabregas and modric ?

Why are you moving? Why are you embarrassed to compare Iniesta's number to his contemporaries?

No sane person will entertain a Lampard Gerrard comparison to Zidane

But nothing still excuses Iniesta's poverty production

Zidane International caps
108 apps and 31 goals

Gerrard
114 caps and 21 goals

Lampard
106 caps and 29 goals

Iniesta
131 caps and 13 goals

Poverty all the way. This man spent 16 years at Barca and scored 35 goals

The lack of production is shocking.

Xavi played deeper and still somehow managed to score and assist more than Iniesta. This is inexcusable

hensben:
Hazard played 4231 under mou which is equivalent to 442 formation. Iniesta was CAM like Lampard is that what Lampard was delivering. Hazard was a winger under defensive coaches.

How is 4231 equal to 442?

4231 is actually closer to 433.

Hazard played under attacking Zidane and Ancelotti while he failed players like Vicinius succeded

raumdeuter:

Iniesta always was part of the midfield 3 in a 433
Hazard was always part of the front 3 in a 433

Lampard vs iniesta while hazard vs Neymar is the context here. Neymar was more upfront in 433 formation compared to hazard in 4231 formation so the former was LWF while the later was LMF. Iniesta was a free role midfielder he become deep in his twilight like Lampard but guess what Lampard was still delivering from box to box.

raumdeuter:


The same activity wey Lampard get and ended world cup with most shots without a goal

Box activity. All those shots na 25 yards with Jabulani ball

raumdeuter:


How is 4231 equal to 442?

4231 is actually closer to 433.

Hazard played under attacking Zidane and Ancelotti while he failed players like Vicinius succeded

In 4231 formation wingers are referred to as LMF same in 442 so 433 is not close to 4231 formation, you referred to wingers in 433 formation as LWF. Did hazard even play for those coaches due to injuries.

donstan18:

Madrid fallout and rape case were the reason Ronaldo lost 2018 Ballon D’or. This is a fact for people with sense.

The fallacious belief that Modric carried Croatia to WC 2018 finals won’t stop amusing me.

Someone that didn’t do shiit after his Argentina performance in group’s stage? Na 3G/A or so them dey take carry country reach finals?

Croatia thrived with collective performance, but if we must individually rate their players, Perisic will always come first.

isn't that the Same thing ibime is saying.. Just like Modric, Iniesta didn't do jack, no goal or assist, just World Cup final goal, boom he is the best thing after slice bread

raumdeuter:


He played but was not good enough. and was benched

Or was injured and never recovered even when he tried.

MorataFC:
None of the two will play in the final.

Argentina vs Morocco

hensben:
Lampard vs iniesta while hazard vs Neymar is the context here. Neymar was more upfront in 433 formation compared to hazard in 4231 formation so the former was LWF while the later was LMF. Iniesta was a free role midfielder he become deep in his twilight like Lampard but guess what Lampard was still delivering from box to box.

Neymar and Hazard played he same way and same pattern only difference was that Neymar was more productive in goals nd assists

Ibime:


Box activity. All those shots na 25 yards with Jabulani ball

Lampard played 2006 2010 and 2014 world cup and failed at all of them. At his peak England even failed to qualify for Euro 2008

hensben:
Now you said on the pitch which apply to hazard too. The yellow marker indicate where hazard played for Chelsea, the first yellow under conte/sari and the second one under mou. The black indicate where iniesta played for Barca while blue for Neymar and Messi. You want me to understand Messi was iniesta’s problem by doing his job but don’t want to accept Hazard played mostly under defensive coaches. Isn’t that double standard. Iniesta played free role midfield for Barca, he was everywhere upfront.

Never said Messi was iniesta's problem, But rather with Messi most of the second balls or final balls went through him as our best player, Messi occupied most of that free role space you're talking about
4-3-3 comprises of 2 central midfielders before the game not one CAM and 2 CMs,

hensben:
Or was injured and never recovered even when he tried.

Neymar was more injured and still delivered unlike the useless Hidden

raumdeuter:


Neymar and Hazard played he same way and same pattern only difference was that Neymar was more productive in goals nd assists

Not true, Neymar played LWF in 433 formation while hazard played LMF/LW in 4231 formation.

hensben:
Not true, Neymar played LWF in 433 formation while hazard played LMF/LW in 4231 formation.

You can continue to lie to yourself and give excuses as why Hazard has 5 career CL goals

A40:
Shame no go gree you to post his stats.

What were his contributions? Post am if e sure for you. Stop giving us imaginary megedefegede. What were his tangible contributions. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't

That's how you were shamelessly mentioning 05/06 and 14/15 season seasons he dropped poverty and disgraceful numbers

Ohh. So Iniesta was there and they still lost? I thought Barcelona were unbeatable whenever Iniesta played. This throws your entire argument inside dustbin then. Since we have proof Barcelona lose even with Iniesta

So where did i mention 2005 with you?

You have not said anything here bro.

raumdeuter:


Neymar was more injured and still delivered unlike the useless Hidden

Neymar’s injury will not be tolerated at Real Madrid too.

A40:
Iniesta will slap you for disrespecting his Boss

Let him first slap all the spanish fans.

raumdeuter:


You can continue to lie to yourself and give excuses as why Hazard has 5 career CL goals

Some CBs have more goals than iniesta who was CAM/winger for Barca and Spain.

Ibime:


Lampard will absolutely crush it with Messi

When CLINICAL players get more activity in the box, they score more, it's simple probability

Na so dem say Lampard no go score for high possession team, when Ancelotti brought high possession football with common Deco and Belletti that Iniesta has been enjoying since, Lampard scored 27 and assisted 20 that season

Una get luck say Lampard no move go Barcelona when they wanted him. Common Modric that Lampard used to bully in EPL went there to be dragging status with your midfield goat

You want to compare Carlo 's possession footy with you guys to tiki taka? Oga ibime well done
Na so them we think say fabregas go come contest with our xavi and iniesta with his more direct style of play and through balls before he was shunted around the pitch before letting him go seasons later to get rakitic, What of song? Even worse, England helped us unravel the myth which was Lampard so I no need to yarn too much on am

hensben:
Neymar’s injury will not be tolerated at Real Madrid too.

Madrid tolerated Hazard injury which is why he s there 4yrs now collecting salary and doing nothing

Ibime:


Lampard will absolutely crush it with Messi

When CLINICAL players get more activity in the box, they score more, it's simple probability

Na so dem say Lampard no go score for high possession team, when Ancelotti brought high possession football with common Deco and Belletti that Iniesta has been enjoying since, Lampard scored 27 and assisted 20 that season

Una get luck say Lampard no move go Barcelona when they wanted him. Common Modric that Lampard used to bully in EPL went there to be dragging status with your midfield goat

Fabregas a player who can spot a niddle from a distance went to Barca and we saw the result.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic with his goal records went to Barca we saw the end of it.


Frank Lampard will not thrive in Barca/pep set up .

hensben:
Some CBs have more goals than iniesta who was CAM/winger for Barca and Spain.

I know many CB who have more career CL goals than Hidden hazard wo is an attacker for Madrid Chelsea and Belgium

Hazard has 5 CL goals, Gnabry has 4 goals in one half vs Spurs

popizaino:



So where did i mention 2005 with you?

You have not said anything here bro.

You don dey deny your own comments. Shior

Didn't you list 05/06 and 14/15 as seasons Iniesta succeeded without Xavi. Shior

4 goals in 92 appearances.

raumdeuter:


Lampard played 2006 2010 and 2014 world cup and failed at all of them. At his peak England even failed to qualify for Euro 2008

How old was he in 2014?

2006, only penalties took England out in QF, they could have won the tournament. That was the only tournament England had a DM, which was always England's undoing

2010, Capello decide to go to World Cup with Heskey, playing 4-4-2 with no DM, him wahala

Kilishihunter:

Never said Messi was iniesta's problem, But rather with Messi most of the second balls or final balls went through him as our best player, Messi occupied most of that free role space you're talking about
4-3-3 comprises of 2 central midfielders before the game not one CAM and 2 CMs,

433 is mostly CDM, CM and CAM while the game is on, iniesta as CAM was on free role, Messi was RWF who was exceptional in two positions and nothing stopped iniesta from being productive too since LWF and ST were excelling too. Xavi as CM was even more productive than him. Even some defenders.

A40:
Why are you moving? Why are you embarrassed to compare Iniesta's number to his contemporaries?

No sane person will entertain a Lampard Gerrard comparison to Zidane

But nothing still excuses Iniesta's poverty production

Zidane International caps
108 apps and 31 goals

Gerrard
114 caps and 21 goals

Lampard
106 caps and 29 goals

Iniesta
131 caps and 13 goals

Poverty all the way. This man spent 16 years at Barca and scored 35 goals

The lack of production is shocking.

Xavi played deeper and still somehow managed to score and assist more than Iniesta. This is inexcusable

Stop this show of shame bro.


You have answered yourself with your stats. Lampard and Gerrard stats should have easily given them an appearance in a semifinals with three lions since it's about stats abi now ?


Is Fabregas not iniesta's contemporary again? Why was is superior stats than iniesta not bee the reason why you could tell us he was better than iniesta ?

raumdeuter:


I know many CB who have more career CL goals than Hidden hazard wo is an attacker for Madrid Chelsea and Belgium

Hazard has 5 CL goals, Gnabry has 4 goals in one half vs Spurs

But no CB has overall goal than Hazard like iniesta.

Ibime:


How old was he in 2014?

2006, only penalties took England out in QF, they could have won the tournament. That was the only tournament England had a DM, which was always England's undoing

2010, Capello decide to go to World Cup with Heskey, playing 4-4-2 with no DM, him wahala

All these shalaye was why Lampard didnt have a world cup goal? No world cup goal in 2006, none in 2010 none in 2014