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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:15pm On Oct 06, 2023
Papi85:
spot on sir, have said this before that we shouldnโ€™t be crying about not having a natural number 10 in the super eagles because that role is gradually fading off

Modern football requires more of a CAM ( a hybrid of An Attacking midfielder and a Central midfielder) who primarily functions more as a CM but more unique n versatile due to passing ability and creative spark he produces but not as adventurous and flamboyant like what we had in the 80s,90s and 2000s. Even some tacticians of late deploy them as B/B midfielders. Good examples are De Bruyne, Fernandez, Valverde, Muller, Mount, Bellingham etc While the less physical and pacy ones are dropped deeper as DLP the way Ancelotti used Pirlo who was a natural number 10 but had to be dropped deeper by the Italian tactician to detect play as well as control the tempo of how his team want to play

Football hv evolved so much and lost its spark compared to years back due to the lack of mercurial attacking midfielders who brings entertainment, artistry and creativity that feeds fans with much excitement.

Players like jay jay, laudrup, zizou,Totti, baggio , Platini just to mention few I can remember now would hv struggled in this era if they were still playing active football

Players of their talent and skills are mostly pushed to the flanks and also instructed to drop back to help fullbacks when the team is chasing possession unlike what was obtainable many years ago

Football is too mechanical now and mostly based on team work, speed and work rate

Spot on Sir

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BankyGee(m): 2:40pm On Oct 06, 2023
Kelechi Iheanacho dey pass ball abeg. That pass that started the buildup to the third goal ๐Ÿฅ… against Preston is just ๐Ÿ˜ค๐Ÿ˜ค๐Ÿ˜ค

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 2:48pm On Oct 06, 2023
Icon4s:


I remember that goal by the young Henry Nwosu during the 1982 World Cup qualifiers game against Guinea, played in 1981. It was the only goal of the match and took us to the next round of the qualifiers.
The disallowed goal against Cameroon in Maroc 88 is what I will never forget, that goal should have won us the game but was wrongly disallowed. Also I remember Keshi's free kicks hitting the crossbar maybe once or twice.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:58pm On Oct 06, 2023
AndSunGorilla:

The disallowed goal against Cameroon in Maroc 88 is what I will never forget, that goal should have won us the game but was wrongly disallowed. Also I remember Keshi's free kicks hitting the crossbar maybe once or twice.

Yes, Henry Nwosu's disallowed goal in that final. As at when that game was played I didn't fully understand the off-side rule and so I didn't understand why people were so annoyed about that call. But I watched that game again just a few years ago and I was just shouting, WHAT!? WHAT!? And i had to call other comrades to come analyse that goal and they all shouted "clean goal"! Nigeria was cheated that year. cry

In 2000 again Ikpeba's penalty goal was ruled out at AFCON Final again against same Cameroon cry cry cry Twice they rubbed us to the trophy

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:05pm On Oct 06, 2023
Icon4s:


This video just sums it up.
This is why we cannot have another JJ Okocha in the Super Eagles.
It pains me. I'm so used to the classic ten. All my football heroes from Diego to Zidane, Jay-Jay were all 10's.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 3:08pm On Oct 06, 2023
Mujtahida:

It pains me. I'm so used to the classic ten. All my football heroes from Diego to Zidane, Jay-Jay were all 10's.
the same reason players like ozil, James Rodriguez, Coutinho fizzled out easily in the modern game
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:12pm On Oct 06, 2023
Those are not games. You no sabi interpret data?
Subzeroo:


Lol remove 0.1 from most of them and they are bad games cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 3:24pm On Oct 06, 2023
charlesemeka85:
the same reason players like ozil, James Rodriguez, Coutinho fizzled out easily in the modern game


Den Dt means all dis while na we no get coach wey get sense to bring out d best in our midfield players

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzeroo: 3:38pm On Oct 06, 2023
Joebie:
Those are not games. You no sabi interpret data?

If they are not games they are still poor, 7.1 rating is the average category
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 3:47pm On Oct 06, 2023
You make good points but can we also query the kind of coaching our youngsters get that doesn't see them transition from young midfield starlets into midfield generals

From the 80s to early 2000s the production line of midfielders was constant Muda Lawal, Henry Nwosu, Etim Esin, Thompson Oliha, Moses Kpakor, Adepoju, JJ, Oliseh, Oruma all these guys at their prime would bench all the midfielders except Mikel, that the SE has produced over 10 years.

What do our coaches lack at academy level that they can't produce enough technically gifted and creative midfielders.

That said I think the upcoming generation of Eletu, Daga, Ebenezer and maybe Tijani could potentially ease our woes in that department.

Nomyth:
Could the dearth of quality AMs in the National team be a direct consequence of our poor performance in youth football in recent years?

Our various youth teams have been the production line thru which we get quality Midfielders in the past.

Etim Esin, Mutiu Adepoju, Jay Jay okocha, Thompson Oliha,Wilson Oruma,pius Ikedia,Mikel obi, Haruna lookman all came thru the youth ranks.

Our local league hasn't really come thru for us in this regard with only Friday Ekpo the only quality Midfielder I can identify that the league has given us and it is not every time quality Midfielders pop up randomly in Europe. Only Sunday Oliseh, Joel obi and Obodo have popped up for some time.

We might need to pay more attention to the youth teams u17 to u23 if we need to discover more AMs for the NT.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 3:51pm On Oct 06, 2023
https://youtu.be/58iv7_DCL2U?si=Xk3YRBd7YPI2goCu


Who remembers this game? Kog45 most likely. A lot to see from the game. Esp as symptoms still persist. Chai. Seedorf na baba.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 3:53pm On Oct 06, 2023
BankyGee:
Kelechi Iheanacho dey pass ball abeg. That pass that started the buildup to the third goal ๐Ÿฅ… against Preston is just ๐Ÿ˜ค๐Ÿ˜ค๐Ÿ˜ค
He better be fit for Afcon. He's going to be pivotal to it to me like he was for u17 glory. Dunno why I've been thinking that lately. That game just brought back memories

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:55pm On Oct 06, 2023
charlesemeka85:
the same reason players like ozil, James Rodriguez, Coutinho fizzled out easily in the modern game
James Rodriguez's case is particularly painful. He just couldn't cope with the athleticism and the rush of modern football. He's always lamenting.

I feel that this situation is due to the fact that the controlling center of football is Europe. The European mind is scientific.

It used to be that the leagues in South America in the 70s and 80s were at par or even stronger than some of the European leagues but today Europe has triumphed. Even Brazil is finding it hard re-inventing itself. They were even talking of hiring an European coach (Ancellotti abi?)

If South America were the controlling center of football, I feel the style of football would have been different.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:57pm On Oct 06, 2023
Poor compared to who and who? grin
Subzeroo:


If they are not games they are still poor, 7.1 rating is the average category
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:57pm On Oct 06, 2023
AndSunGorilla:

Maybe he enjoys his crassness? You know it's lonely at the top. Sometimes, being authentic could be the way some guys have to manage their stardom and loneliness at the top.
Well, let's see how long he can continue with the crassness. The novelty will wear off
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:59pm On Oct 06, 2023
Kog45:
Ayo Ogunlana spent most of his life in Kaduna State and possibly still living in the north.

He made Nigeria team to Algier 90 as the oldest.In fact he made his eagles debut in 1981 but have Muda Lawal,Henry Nwosu and Ademola Adeshina to compete with.

Henry Nwosu and Ademola Adeshina made eagles at 17 years of age.Nwosu was barely 17 at Afcon 1980 and Adeshina 17 at Afcon 1982.
Today 17 year old are considered too inexperienced.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:01pm On Oct 06, 2023
Papi85:
spot on sir, have said this before that we shouldnโ€™t be crying about not having a natural number 10 in the super eagles because that role is gradually fading off

Modern football requires more of a CAM ( a hybrid of An Attacking midfielder and a Central midfielder) who primarily functions more as a CM but more unique n versatile due to passing ability and creative spark he produces but not as adventurous and flamboyant like what we had in the 80s,90s and 2000s. Even some tacticians of late deploy them as B/B midfielders. Good examples are De Bruyne, Fernandez, Valverde, Muller, Mount, Bellingham etc While the less physical and pacy ones are dropped deeper as DLP the way Ancelotti used Pirlo who was a natural number 10 but had to be dropped deeper by the Italian tactician to detect play as well as control the tempo of how his team want to play

Football hv evolved so much and lost its spark compared to years back due to the lack of mercurial attacking midfielders who brings entertainment, artistry and creativity that feeds fans with much excitement.

Players like jay jay, laudrup, zizou,Totti, baggio , Platini just to mention few I can remember now would hv struggled in this era if they were still playing active football

Players of their talent and skills are mostly pushed to the flanks and also instructed to drop back to help fullbacks when the team is chasing possession unlike what was obtainable many years ago

Football is too mechanical now and mostly based on team work, speed and work rate
Top notch analysis. ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿ‘Œ

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:09pm On Oct 06, 2023
daveP:
https://youtu.be/58iv7_DCL2U?si=Xk3YRBd7YPI2goCu


Who remembers this game? Kog45 most likely. A lot to see from the game. Esp as symptoms still persist. Chai. Seedorf na baba.
This one is fairly recent na. Friendly match between naija and Netherlands as build up to France 98. Them thrash us. We also played friendly with Germany.

That Dutch team was brimming with talents all over. Bergkamp's goal against Argentina in the Q/final and Kluivert's header against Brazil in the semi final are some of the most delicious goals ever scored at a WC.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 4:38pm On Oct 06, 2023
elyte89:



Den Dt means all dis while na we no get coach wey get sense to bring out d best in our midfield players
Yes now, if you look at Man City's team last season they had midfield controllers AM style midfielders or creative MFs like De Bruyne, Silva, Gundogan, Foden but on the flip side Liverpool never really used "AMs" or creative MFs and they got results when they needed to, especially when they won the EPL. Liverpool then had workhorses as midfielders, the likes of Henderson, Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Milner, there was nothing creative about those guys. My point is, it's the coaches job to find our strengths and play to it.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 4:39pm On Oct 06, 2023
AndSunGorilla:

Yes now, if you look at Man City's team last season they had midfield controllers AM style midfielders or creative MFs like De Bruyne, Silva, Gundogan, Foden but on the flip side Liverpool never really used "AMs" or creative MFs and they got results when they needed to, especially when they won the EPL. Liverpool then had workhorses as midfielders, the likes of Henderson, Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Milner, there was nothing creative about those guys. My point is, it's the coaches job to find our strengths and play to it.
๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 4:50pm On Oct 06, 2023
So make we kuku dead dis Nwakali talks den ,na our coach no get sense๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 4:53pm On Oct 06, 2023
Papi85:
spot on sir, have said this before that we shouldnโ€™t be crying about not having a natural number 10 in the super eagles because that role is gradually fading off

Modern football requires more of a CAM ( a hybrid of An Attacking midfielder and a Central midfielder) who primarily functions more as a CM but more unique n versatile due to passing ability and creative spark he produces but not as adventurous and flamboyant like what we had in the 80s,90s and 2000s. Even some tacticians of late deploy them as B/B midfielders. Good examples are De Bruyne, Fernandez, Valverde, Muller, Mount, Bellingham etc While the less physical and pacy ones are dropped deeper as DLP the way Ancelotti used Pirlo who was a natural number 10 but had to be dropped deeper by the Italian tactician to detect play as well as control the tempo of how his team want to play

Football hv evolved so much and lost its spark compared to years back due to the lack of mercurial attacking midfielders who brings entertainment, artistry and creativity that feeds fans with much excitement.

Players like jay jay, laudrup, zizou,Totti, baggio , Platini just to mention few I can remember now would hv struggled in this era if they were still playing active football

Players of their talent and skills are mostly pushed to the flanks and also instructed to drop back to help fullbacks when the team is chasing possession unlike what was obtainable many years ago

Football is too mechanical now and mostly based on team work, speed and work rate
Good insight and spot on.
Even though I don't want to invite our man Thegoodjoe into this,
but I have to disagree on the part of Zidan and Totti,
They would have found a way to excel in the modern game.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 5:22pm On Oct 06, 2023
Mujtahida:

This one is fairly recent na. Friendly match between naija and Netherlands as build up to France 98. Them thrash us. We also played friendly with Germany.

That Dutch team was brimming with talents all over. Bergkamp's goal against Argentina in the Q/final and Kluivert's header against Brazil in the semi final are some of the most delicious goals ever scored at a WC.

Asin. I hope Kluivert Jr plays better than his dad sha. He gats.


People are divided over okocha performance in this friendly. Dunno why. I'll rather say Da Bull and Tijani were wack that day. They didn't play as a team in 1st half too.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 5:28pm On Oct 06, 2023
Itโ€™s seem some players are unsure of playing the friendlies in Portugal due to injuries

Aina and Toru hv been ruled out, also itโ€™s like onyedika had a knock yesterday playing in the UECL

Ogbu should be invited asap as Toruโ€™s replacement

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:56pm On Oct 06, 2023
Napoleon55:

Good insight and spot on.
Even though I don't want to invite our man Thegoodjoe into this,
but I have to disagree on the part of Zidan and Totti,
They would have found a way to excel in the modern game.

It depends on what you want to term as excel. If you feel they would skin players like they did in the past, they won't. They will carve out a way to stand out like what the likes of Thiago Alcantara, De Bruyne, Maddison, Bellingham and co are doing. Flair play can't work in this generation.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 6:16pm On Oct 06, 2023
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 6:25pm On Oct 06, 2023
Impossible to dead the talks that are relevant to the tactical improvement of our team especially in the middle game.

Someone telling you Liverpool won a few titles with just "work horse" midfielders is painting a very limited picture of how Liverpool played. They had a TAA who was the primary source of their creativity. Nigeria can't boast of such in any of our Fullbacks so it is very relevant to focus on what the team truly needs especially with respect to improving how we transit, how we build up sequences and how we get the best out of our attack.

elyte89:
So make we kuku dead dis Nwakali talks den ,na our coach no get sense๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 6:30pm On Oct 06, 2023
elyte89:
So make we kuku dead dis Nwakali talks den ,na our coach no get sense๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
Well if we have him, why not try him out so mong as it suits the pattern the coach wants to play. But if he's not on the team or a similar player with his skillset, it's not an excuse.for the coaching crew not to be able to fashion out a decent playing style that plays to our strengths.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 6:33pm On Oct 06, 2023
charlesemeka85:
Itโ€™s seem some players are unsure of playing the friendlies in Portugal due to injuries

Aina and Toru hv been ruled out, also itโ€™s like onyedika had a knock yesterday playing in the UECL

Ogbu should be invited asap as Toruโ€™s replacement
I would hope Ebuehi and Ogbu can be called in to fill the void.

And you heard it, that's right, I mean it, if Onyedika is injured, he should be replaced by ..........
After all he is even in Portugal sef, maybe he fit even take okada to go meet them for camp.

Oga Charles, please take a deep long breath calm down grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 6:37pm On Oct 06, 2023
TheSuperNerd:
Ndidi could pass this to Nacho yet Kvaratskhelia couldn't do a simpler pass to Osimhen yesterday vs Madrid.

Thunder, where are you??๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก

A perfect scenerio

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 6:37pm On Oct 06, 2023
charlesemeka85:
Itโ€™s seem some players are unsure of playing the friendlies in Portugal due to injuries

Aina and Toru hv been ruled out, also itโ€™s like onyedika had a knock yesterday playing in the UECL

Ogbu should be invited asap as Toruโ€™s replacement
Ebuehi and Ogbu should replace Aina and Toru,and am seeing Ogbu breaking into the team but Ebuehi getting into Afcon team looks slim cuz Osayi and Aina are ahead.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Philosopher1979: 6:40pm On Oct 06, 2023
TheSuperNerd:
Impossible to dead the talks that are relevant to the tactical improvement of our team especially in the middle game.

Someone telling you Liverpool won a few titles with just "work horse" midfielders is painting a very limited picture of how Liverpool played. They had a TAA who was the primary source of their creativity. Nigeria can't boast of such in any of our Fullbacks so it is very relevant to focus on what the team truly needs especially with respect to improving how we transit, how we build up sequences and how we get the best out of our attack.


Anyway firmino of liverpool is a false 9. So he was somewhat a play maker for liverpool.
U know what if we had play making forwards like firmino cantona messi jao felix kanu etc we might not even need creative midfielders but we dont

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