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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:07am On Jan 21 |
AdisaOwala: Zanetti is not a midfielder Whether by design or by coaches confusion, Argentina did not have the balance to win. There is nothing like golden generation without balance. C'est fini |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by AdisaOwala: 3:24am On Jan 21 |
Ibime: The bolded just shows that your mind is made up and nothing can change it..lol Okay o |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PDPGuy: 5:14am On Jan 21 |
Sources close to the 2026 WC organizing committee and FIFA are now saying that the 2026 WC final will be held at the AT&T stadium in Arlington, Texas…. Well, Arlington would be an ok location for the final since it is only 15 minutes away from the airport, and has a 100,000 seating capacity |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 8:48am On Jan 21 |
airmark: Evidently you cannot prove that you started hyping Kante before we all know him. Can we try another person in this list? Please show us where you started hyping Pulisic in his youth days at PA Classics. At least he was there till 2015. I know him from his BVB days and I'm sure others do too. But since you claim you started hyping him before stardom, can you please provide evidence of you spotting this young talent in PA Classics and hyping him here..... 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 8:58am On Jan 21 |
Wahala! Wahala!! Wahala!!! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Omoluabi16(m): 9:08am On Jan 21 |
raumdeuter:Or maybe a show of character? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:15am On Jan 21 |
timbros: Stop embarrassing yourself. Who among Krychowiak, Maximin, Belotti, that you and your boss, Raumdeuter, claimed I jinxed, did I hype in their youth days at PA classics? Can't you see that you are already exonerating me? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by oliverano: 9:18am On Jan 21 |
AdisaOwala: You don't win tournaments by having world class strikers though it could play a part. In fact you could win by having a world class defence than having a world class attack. Greece (2004) is a classic example but there are other examples. Preferably, a balance team will win you tournaments or at least get you to the final. Argentina never had a balanced team. It was always world class attack, weak midfield and a mid central defence. Prime Aguero, Messi, Dimaria, Tevez had....2010...Jonas Gutierrez; a Newcastle winger starting as a RB. You're not winning spoon with that. They had no world class starting CB. There was Zanetti but the coach thought otherwise. A team with a world class defence will always do better than a team with world class attack in just about any tournament including December league. Prime Messi failed because they lacked a balance team! 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by AdisaOwala: 9:34am On Jan 21 |
oliverano: I have addressed your points in my previous posts It was nobody's fault that Maradona didn't pick Cambiasso and Zanetti. Walter Samuel was also one of the best CBs in the world at that time |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Caicedobets(m): 9:37am On Jan 21 |
Ballzproblem2:the club overpaid for my boy His true worth should be 70 M max |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by AirBere: 9:42am On Jan 21 |
oliverano: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 9:54am On Jan 21 |
Now you are all confessing the benefits of having a good defense lol. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Itsmedozie: 10:04am On Jan 21 |
iamoyindamola:You will respect your elder son What's is passed is in the past. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Itsmedozie: 10:04am On Jan 21 |
BlueRayDick:You no go like make I pay you? Like seriously? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 10:12am On Jan 21 |
Itsmedozie: On top Bet Wey u lose in 2019? It’s almost 5 years bro . |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ballzproblem2: 10:30am On Jan 21 |
Caicedobets:60m like lavia |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 10:37am On Jan 21 |
Guys there's this argument that's been raging on Twitter since last night, and I'd love to hear y'all thoughts. KDB or Kaka? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 10:46am On Jan 21 |
Jodera: My point, from the beginning of this discussion, is that, pound for pound, this current English squad pales in talent and ability when compared with the old one. If they swapped positions, the current squad won’t even make it to knockout stages of major competitions- if they even qualify for them. They’re lucky that most of their mates have dropped standards. And yet, they still struggled to beat them. (Don’t mention Germany because those ones became pants after winning the World Cup) Put that old generation into this time and age, give them the support and privileges this current generation have and see if they won’t perform way better than them.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 10:51am On Jan 21 |
Unlimited22: At first thought, you’d go for KDB. But Kaka is so much talented and is quite a beast too that you’d be forced to pause on second thought. We just didn’t see enough of him- or he didn’t maintain that high level for as long as KDB has done. So. KDB. Definitely. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by oliverano: 10:57am On Jan 21 |
Unlimited22: I think KDB is more complete. Like he can play double pivot, interior, AM, F9, LW. He can score, defend, pick a pass and has a better work rate. Kaka is a typical AM and slightly more talented. He's one of the greatest footballers of all time, more popular and of course rated higher than KDB but he's best when played at the almost defunct AM position. I think there's nothing Kaka can do that KDB can't do. But KDB actually offers more in other aspects of the game aside scoring and creating goals. I'll pick KDB |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 11:04am On Jan 21 |
AdisaOwala: What I think Ibime is trying to establish is that the Argentine team even with or without Maradona had some midfield deficiencies, one every single top manager would have had issues sorting out at that time. You mentioned the omission of Zanetti (who thrived mainly as an RB) and Cambiasso, good defensive midfielders no doubt but certainly not CMs - still goes to make Ibime’s point. I’m beginning to see it for what it is, they had no traditional CMs in that squad. Just bunch of defensive, brutal DMs and a pool of attacking players. There was no link, no true playmaker that would have been at the center of all different build-up patterns of play. One to recycle possession, keep the ball while drawing opponents out of position and ultimately allowing the rest of Messi, Tevez, Aguero, Pastore etc to penetrate, create chances and score goals. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:18am On Jan 21 |
Unlimited22: A foolish argument KDB is miles ahead of that Caca (literal translation of shït) 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 11:22am On Jan 21 |
airmark: So when did you start hyping Pulisic? In Stamford Bridge? 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 11:26am On Jan 21 |
Unlimited22: KDB all day please . Kaka was quite good in his days but I don’t think he could gtbrive as much as KDB does in present day football . |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 11:26am On Jan 21 |
Unlimited22: Nostalgia say Kaka. Present reality say KDB... 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by AdisaOwala: 11:45am On Jan 21 |
Griffon: If you check Ibime's initial Post, the premise of the discussion started with the bolded: Ibime: At least you yourself don squash the DM part by yourself.. As stated in my previous response to you, there is tangible evidence that pastore coulda done a decent job at CM - that Argentina team didn't necessarily need a xavi or Scholes to deliver the goods. The absence of a Pirlo/lampard or Gerrard kinda midfielder shouldn't be the reason why prime messi and folks should lose scandalously/Fire blanks vs Meterseckar and Frederich |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:50am On Jan 21 |
Kaka was a good player but was a forward IMHO. He had zero midfield tactical responsibility and cannot be compared with a midfielder who does classic midfield duties and still affect the stats massively as KDB. It should be argued that Kaka should be judged against strikers goal for goal because he did absolutely nothing of midfield work Pirlo, Ambrosini, Gattusso and Seedorf were the midfielders and Kaka was free as a bird. His classification as midfielder is nominal, he was a striker by all intents and purposes and should be judged with strikers Kakas main strength was acceleration to glide away from players. He just ran past them like they didn't exist But I don't see any scenario in which Ozil will glue KDB to the bench for 4 years like he did to Kaka. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:56am On Jan 21 |
AdisaOwala: Your understanding of midfield work is not developed enough so I left you to it. What is absence of Pirlo/Lampard/Gerrard got to do with absence of CM? The 2nd midfielder (CM) is not a Lampard/Gerrard type. The second midfielder is an Essien, a Xavi, A Ballack or a Seydou Keita. Most teams have 3 regular midfielders but Argentina had Mascherano and a big chasm of space to Messi. Of course they had no midfield and deservedly got walloped |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by AdisaOwala: 12:18pm On Jan 21 |
Ibime: And for the umpeeth time, I have shown that Maradona had the resources to close the gaps but for whatever reasons, he decided not to... Baba, I ask again for the 20th time, is it the absence of a Seydou keita-esque midfielder that made prime messi, Tevez, Higuain etc fire blanks vs mediocre defenders like Metersecker and Frederich? 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:25pm On Jan 21 |
AdisaOwala: Yes, same way absence of a Makelele was making Zidane. Ronaldo, Figo, Raul fire blanks and getting knocked out by Lyon every UCL. An unbalanced team is an unbalanced team and will fail. Whether by coaches design or by realities on ground, a golden generation should not be held responsible for failure caused by an unbalanced team. They did not pick the team. And it's not like options are jumping out at the manager either. You've gone as far as touting a then 37 year old fullback as panacea to their midfield dilemna while some other nations such as Germany and Spain were 7 to 10 players deep in the midfield position 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Itsmedozie: 12:36pm On Jan 21 |
BlueRayDick:Them dey pay debt after 10 yrs I am serious though 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 12:47pm On Jan 21 |
Itsmedozie:True Where have you been |
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