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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:13pm On May 29 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 5:14pm On May 29 |
joelsteron:like finidi like allegri. That werey sef say him no like to dey talk about formation. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 5:17pm On May 29 |
Odunayaw:Precisely. He's not a Guardiolan who removed Henry right after he scored just because Henry used his initiative and tweaked the formation. You see why I detest this system coaches that have sacrificed the players to the god of system football with its rigid formations |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:21pm On May 29 |
His words: βMy philosophy is to win. For me, formation is not that important, because if players interpret when to attack and when to defend and do it well, there wonβt be problems. βYou can play 3-5-2 or 4-4-2, but if the players know they have to attack or defend, the team wonβt have problems. That is what Manchester City, Arsenal, and every other team do, but the difference is when players recognise this moment.β *** I think I get Finidi George totally. He is talking about fluid play. He is interested in building individual awareness of players. Meaning if there is a gap in space you attack it. If a player has made a run from a position, you cover it. If the team is under pressure, you fall back. So he will not restrict players movement but they must be guided by tactical principles. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 5:21pm On May 29 |
I'm sure you know that in that same trial, he overlooked Osimhen, right? Do you know how many other players he overlooked without anyone bringing it to his attention? Also, the number of under-17 footballers at that time was definitely more than 4,000. We have won the under 17 without wasting resources going from zone to zone. Why do that when you can take a more effective and efficient approach that has won us the world cup in the past? Nevertheless, I definitely agree with your proposal but that was not what Amuneke did! No matter what you do some will still be left behind! TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 5:23pm On May 29 |
Mujtahida:He said it's the most beautiful combination, not the most workable, so there is hope it would work. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 5:23pm On May 29 |
Exactly!! TheGoodJoe: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:24pm On May 29 |
Marjoribanks: Let us adopt Amunike's system. It worked and we had open trials. Zone to zone makes it more comprehensive and gives room for more players to participate. That is why I propose a more comprehensive system to build on it. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:26pm On May 29 |
Mujtahida: Ho ho ho. You are free to have doubts. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by M7even(m): 5:27pm On May 29 |
This life is really amazing and some people look like they are destined for top no matter what. It's the story of Vincent Kompany in recent times. Winning the Championship with Burleny was a great story, relegated in EPL and now singing as head coach for Bayern Munich seems unheard of. What are the chances and has it happened before, for a manger who has been relegated in a league getting a chance to manage one of the biggest team in the world. 4 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:29pm On May 29 |
Marjoribanks: Yeah. You made me go to reread to get his point. Finidi is not saying formations are not important. He is actually saying tactical awareness is more important. I think it was the choice of words that caused the confusion. "My philosophy is to win. For me, formation is not that important, because if players interpret when to attack and when to defend and do it well, there wonβt be problems." He is saying My philosophy is to win. Formations are not as important as players interpreting when to attack and defend. If they get this aspect right, we won't have problems. Meaning if they know all the formations and can't interpret their roles based on tactical awareness, we would still have problems. Sounds interesting and I will be watching closely. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 5:33pm On May 29 |
TheGoodJoe: But but β¦.I am still not convinced about him not soaking up knowledge from la masia and guardiola ππππππππππππππππππππππππ 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:34pm On May 29 |
elyte89: Van Gaal, Sinclair and Aragounes are good enough soaking. Remember Van Gaal coached Barcelona too. π |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 5:36pm On May 29 |
Awesome analysis! Bravo! Sensational headlines designed to grab people's attention. The world needs individuals who can read between the lines and recognize those whose sole mission is to destroy good things! We should not allow them destroy Finidi! We should not allow them destroy our football! TheGoodJoe: 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 5:42pm On May 29 |
Amunike system is not the only system that won us the World Cup! I prefer efficiency and effectiveness! Going zone to zone is a waste of time and resources. Look at the scouting report from around the country and invite maybe 40 to trails and select. Simple! TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:52pm On May 29 |
Marjoribanks: Scouting reports from who? When I say Zone to zone, I don't mean many Zones. But, for instance, Lagos, Port Harcourt, Abuja, and Kano. Why Amunike's system because it was fast, efficient and was able to screen thousands in a short time. This will give the coaching crew a first hand idea of the players and a chance to find promising players than relying on reports. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 5:59pm On May 29 |
lovewins:My bias? Naso we de do now? Carry on |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 6:01pm On May 29 |
lovewins: Without football formation, a team has no structure. Structure define roles and behaviour. Structure is important whether you are attacking or defending, it is like a battle strategy, there could be a formation for attacking and another for defending, there could be a formation for when the team has the ball, and another when they are without the ball, else there won't be understanding and cohesion. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 6:03pm On May 29 |
Rivers Hoopers 73 v AL AHLY 73 16.5s to go. Wow! |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 6:05pm On May 29 |
TheGoodJoe:I was expecting this will be simple to grasp by all. Phew! 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 6:08pm On May 29 |
Overtime! 73 v 73. Rivers unlucky not to have won that in normal time! |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 6:12pm On May 29 |
Mujtahida:The things is even worse than I thought! I had not even watched the interview but as soon as I saw what he quoted it was glaring Finidi was saying it is more important the players understand the overall idea and take initiative rather than a 9-1-1 or 6-6-6 formation. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 6:16pm On May 29 |
lovewins: Again, the decision to attack and or defend does not lie with the players, it lies entirely in the coach's instructions. Players individually do not determine when to attack or defend and the strategies to adopt, it is a collective task and should come from the coach. I think the problem here is a basic understanding of what it means to attack and defend |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lovewins: 6:18pm On May 29 |
TheGoodJoe: To be fair, the interviews of Finidi I've seen so far presents him as someone who isn't very articulate. So he could very well have intended differently from what he said. It is however not our place to cut him some slack just like we didn't Bosso and Manu Garba. We have to query statements like this and not assume intentions especially when there's a pattern of such statements across other national teams. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:22pm On May 29 |
Meliforme: At the end, Finidi is breaking down his coaching philosophy. There are situations that call for different movements. As you talk of formation with the ball and without it. Now the players get to know the formation and shape. However, Finidi believes understanding the tactical principles that caused that shape to occur is more important than just teaching them how to play to a formation. He believes the awareness and understanding is more critical for better performance and leads to wins. but the difference is when players recognise this moment. He wants to teach our players to recognize the movements to make in relation to the dynamics of the game and the principles that guides it. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:25pm On May 29 |
lovewins: I agree. Definitely, speaking Dutch and Spanish his whole career definitely affected his eloquence. However, we have seen the likes of Guardiola, Emery and others despite not being eloquent, they pass their messages to their players accurately. Finidi wants us to believe he is good at communicating with players. Let us see as it goes. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lovewins: 6:25pm On May 29 |
Meliforme: In your bid to defend an indefensible statement made by Finidi you're simply being disingenuous. I didn't make the statement, he did. What do you mean players don't determine when to defend or attack? That's just nonsense. Players very well largely determine when to defend and attack. You have possession of the ball, you attack. You lose possession of the ball, you defend. What the coaches however determine is how they attack and how they defend. That's what formations are for. It's about coming up with the best strategy and setup that exploits the opponents weaknesses. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:28pm On May 29 |
Meliforme: Same thing Finidi is trying to pass. The coach can give instructions and players can play to his instructions. However, he believes the system fails when players when players don't understand the principles behind the instructions. I think we can summarize it to when a player can go front and when he is to fall back. From his philosophy of the player understand the principles, they will effectively carryout the instructions of the coaches than just doing it in a robotic manner. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:33pm On May 29 |
Meliforme: So, Finidi's philosophy to winning games is to understand the moments when players are to fall back and when they are to attack. He feels this is more vital than the formation set up. Whether 3-5-2, 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. No matter how they are setup, they should understand when to go forward and when to return. I find it important. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 6:37pm On May 29 |
TheGoodJoe: It is not difficult to know when to attack and or defend, it is easy when the basic definition is established. You will get me proper in my reply to lovewins |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:39pm On May 29 |
lovewins: The bolded is uncalled for because he makes a valid point. For instance, there are times the opponents are with the ball and Pep wants two or three players forward. So when we win the ball back, we can use them for fast execution play. Also, there are times the opponents are with the ball and players press and move forward. In these instances, the opponents have the ball and the players attack. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:44pm On May 29 |
Meliforme: That is where Finidi George's statement gets even more interesting. His philosophy is that there are moments. I wish I had more insights and I will research it further on my own. Let me give a scenario. If a left winger is on the attack, and he is outnumbered and isolated from passing. Maybe at that instance, the players of the isolated player should take a defensive shape by falling back. Finidi has a philosophy to this called moments and he believes it is the key to winning and losing. |
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