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Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Peterobiisathie(f): 9:26am On Jun 06

When the 1954 constitution conference started, my good friend, Chief Obafemi Awolowo tabled a motion to the effect that in the new constitution, provision should be made that any state which feels like seceding should do so. I was opposed to it and said ‘no’ and said that once we have a federation, we are indivisible and perpetual.

That was when we began to use that expression – ‘The Indivisibility and perpetuity of the federation’ – and that to secede would amount to treason. And so, a debate ensued.


The Secretary of State then was Oliver Littleton, later Lord Chandos and he was very much interested and that was his first time in saying that the people of African descent were people actually debating at a high level.

So a full day was given to Chief Awolowo to make his points. He spoke brilliantly as a lawyer. He made his points why secession should be incorporated in the constitution. He cited the case of the Soviet Union which is a federation, and that secession is written there so that any state in the Soviet Union can secede at will. He also cited the case of Western Australia and eventually he finished his case and was applauded.

Lord Chandos said that on the face of the arguments before him it would be suicidal to incorporate secession in our constitution and that is why we have section 86 in our constitution that if any region or state should secede, then it will be an act of treason

We adjourned. The next day, I had to reply. I availed myself of the opportunity to, well, demolish the arguments of my friend and I cited the case of United States which based its constitution on that of the Swiss Confederation. That is Switzerland. I pointed out a case, I think, that of Texas versus White, where Mr. Salmon Chase, the Chief Justice laid down the principle – he was really an arbiter – that the union was intended to be perpetual and indivisible and that any attempt to divide the union by secession was treasonable.

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2019/04/27/flashback-why-i-opposed-awolowo-on-secession-zik/?amp=1

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by PointZerom: 9:26am On Jun 06
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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by helinues: 9:28am On Jun 06
Toh

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by hegelian: 9:32am On Jun 06
helinues:
Toh

this is what gives you joy..

Suffering of the people
Tribal Hatred
Ethnic Bigotry

The three things above are what gives you erection..
but Helinues why are you so evil and wicked, why are you so full of hate that all you want is the destruction of your country

omo your hatred is on another level..

Public enemy number 1 of nigeria

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AmiableMosquito: 9:35am On Jun 06
Lol....it will be an interesting thread. Let me grab a seat

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by mrvitalis(m): 9:38am On Jun 06
So zik was not even the one that made the decision, he only debated in favour of it? The final decision was in the hands of a Brit... Who had already made up his mind not to include succession before zik debated?

If they can change national anthem they can change the Constitution this is not even a debate

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Armaggedon: 9:38am On Jun 06
Zik stood for regionalism and federalism with financial and legislative autonomy where the regions developed in their own pace. No contradictions.

One of the most confusing figures in Nigeria's history was Awolowo. He claimed he wanted secession and zik rejected. But when the opportunity presented itself during Biafra, the same Awolowo made a complete U-turn and and started fighting for a unitary one Nigeria as championed by gowon. His attitude justified Zik's opinions about him.

For those who claim his demand was in good faith, his demand was rediculous and he knew it. He was neither here no there. There is no sovereign state in the world that has secession in it's constitution. If he truly wanted his region to be alone he should have demanded a pre-independence referendum like southern Cameroon or pre-independence partitioning as in British India. Opting for a secession clause instead of pre-independence referendum clearly indicated lack of commitment to specific ideology from Awolowo. You can't officially keep one leg in the country and keeping one outside. A snake he was.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by JAMO84: 9:43am On Jun 06
So as at the time Ojukwu was trying to remove Biafra from Nigeria, he was commiting treason and actually deserved to be shot dead at bar Beach.


Azikwe made sure Nigeria is indivisible, but his children are crying all over social media today, telling ordinary citizens like me to let them go, as if I used rope to tie them.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by JAMO84: 9:46am On Jun 06
mrvitalis:
So zik was not even the one that made the decision, he only debated in favour of it? The final decision was in the hands of a Brit... Who had already made up his mind not to include succession before zik debated?

If they can change national anthem they can change the Constitution this is not even a debate
So which of your legislators has moved the motion or submitted a bill to the effect of changing the Constitution to let Biafra go?

You blame everyone for your own misery except your leaders. You want Biafra but it's others that must help you get it, you can't do it yourself.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Peterobiisathie(f): 9:49am On Jun 06
mrvitalis:
So zik was not even the one that made the decision, he only debated in favour of it? The final decision was in the hands of a Brit... Who had already made up his mind not to include succession before zik debated?

If they can change national anthem they can change the Constitution this is not even a debate
you can not be Obidient and still be IPOB terrorists at the same time

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by smileyoo: 10:03am On Jun 06
Indeed Mr Azikiwe contributed in placing us in this bondage like contraption called Nigeria because of his fanatical yet unrealistic believe in Nigerian unity as a nationalist, but 6 decades counting, his vision of Nigerian unity is still a mirage, proving chief Awolowo vindicated as a realist and a visionary leader.
even during the Biafra / Nigeria civil war, Mr Azikiwe was still sadly deluded by his personal conviction of the imaginary Nigeria unity, to the extent that he rigidly refused to lend any support to the Biafra struggle and the yearnings of our people, i wish he was still alive to see the precarious situation, that his illusion of imaginary national unity had placed upon the victimized citizens of Nigeria.
Indeed Awolowo was the best president that Nigeria never had.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by BlowYourMind: 10:05am On Jun 06
Can you imagine this archaic thinking of the most influential politician.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by gidgiddy: 10:05am On Jun 06
This is another classic example of why the Nigerian, and indeed Africans, are backward

The white man comes from Europe, uses superior firepower to overrun your ancestors, bamboozled them all into a British colonial project called "Nigeria"

But long after the white man has gone back home, you are still killing your selves to preserve the country he created. You answer a name "Nigerian" that a white woman created in London as your national identity

When someone like Ojukwu, an indigenous son of the soil, wants to create a country, you fight war, kill your selves in the millions, just to uphold a country created by the white man

But there is nothing you as a black African will ever create that Will make the white man kill his white brother

An enforced illegal colonial contraption that the white man shed the blood of your ancestors to create, is what you now shed the blood of your African brother to uphold. This is what you call treason and terrorism.

Terrible

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by BlowYourMind: 10:10am On Jun 06
mrvitalis:
So zik was not even the one that made the decision, he only debated in favour of it? The final decision was in the hands of a Brit... Who had already made up his mind not to include succession before zik debated?

If they can change national anthem they can change the Constitution this is not even a debate
If zik was wise and had foresight, he would have opposed the removal of secession, but he is blind to the future, he want to be premier in the south west.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by ElSudani: 10:13am On Jun 06
Some people are blessed with almost a supernatural ability to see the future. I believe a secession clause would have made Nigeria a more just country.
And three million lives could have been saved by avoiding a civil war.
It is highly ironic that the people who are most vocal about secession today are Ibos.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by seanfer(m): 10:21am On Jun 06
mrvitalis:
So zik was not even the one that made the decision, he only debated in favour of it? The final decision was in the hands of a Brit... Who had already made up his mind not to include succession before zik debated?

If they can change national anthem they can change the Constitution this is not even a debate

Who opposed the inclusion of secession in our constitution? NNAMDI AZIKIWE. Without him opposing it, we won't be where we are today and the civil war pf 1967 would have been avoidable.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by gidgiddy: 10:31am On Jun 06
smileyoo:
Indeed Mr Azikiwe contributed in placing us in this bondage like contraption called Nigeria because of his fanatical yet unrealistic believe in Nigerian unity as a nationalist, but 6 decades counting, his vision of Nigerian unity is still a mirage, proving chief Awolowo vindicated as a realist and a visionary leader.
even during the Biafra / Nigeria civil war, Mr Azikiwe was still sadly deluded by his personal conviction of the imaginary Nigeria unity, to the extent that he rigidly refused to lend any support to the Biafra struggle and the yearnings of our people, i wish he was still alive to see the precarious situation, that his illusion of imaginary national unity had placed upon the victimized citizens of Nigeria.
Indeed Awolowo was the best president that Nigeria never had.

Zik is like many Nigerians of today who see a disaster of a country that should be dissolved, but want it to last forever. Zik could never understand that his vision of a A great united Nigeria was simply not possible, the people are too different

It was one disastrous vision Zik had, and he should have known better, that Nigeria would never work

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by ElSudani: 10:32am On Jun 06
seanfer:


Who opposed the inclusion of secession in our constitution? NNAMDI AZIKIWE. Without him opposing it, we won't be where we are today and the civil war pf 1967 would have been avoidable.

The problem with zik is similar to what we experience with Ibos today. They always want to go the opposite way on everything with Yoruba, whether it is in their interest or not is secondary.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by seanfer(m): 10:35am On Jun 06
ElSudani:


The problem with zik is similar to what we experience with Ibos today. They always want to go the opposite way on everything with Yoruba, whether it is in their interest or not is secondary.

Inferiority complex, always want to claim superiority over others.
And when things don't go their ways, they start claiming the victims.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by gidgiddy: 10:36am On Jun 06
BlowYourMind:
If zik was wise and had foresight, he would have opposed the removal of secession, but he is blind to the future, he want to be premier in the south west.

He was blind. But if you talk about putting the same secession clause in the constitution of Nigeria today, about 4 out of Nigeria's 6 geopolitical zones will be ready to fight war, Showing that they are no different to Zik

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by gidgiddy: 10:37am On Jun 06
ElSudani:


The problem with zik is similar to what we experience with Ibos today. They always want to go the opposite way on everything with Yoruba, whether it is in their interest or not is secondary.

It's one of the reasons both tribes have no business being in one country

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by BlowYourMind: 10:42am On Jun 06
gidgiddy:


He was blind. But if talk about putting the same secession clause in the constitution of Nigeria today, about 4 out of Nigerias 6 geopolitical zones will be ready to fight war. Showing thst they are no different to Zik
Nigeria will have being better apart than what it is now.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by TimeManager(m): 10:44am On Jun 06
mrvitalis:
So zik was not even the one that made the decision, he only debated in favour of it? The final decision was in the hands of a Brit... Who had already made up his mind not to include succession before zik debated?

If they can change national anthem they can change the Constitution this is not even a debate
Read the article very well or go get the full speech of Azikiwe against secession clause. Zik clearly argued that any attempt to divide the union by secession was treasonable. He argued that Nigeria is an indivisible and indisoluble union. Impliedly, Zik was appealing to the British monarchy to arrest and jail Awolowo for supporting the inclusion of secession clause.

-Kiss the truth!

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by LifestyleTonite: 10:49am On Jun 06
Armaggedon:
Zik stood for regionalism and federalism with financial and legislative autonomy where the regions developed in their own pace. No contradictions.

One of the most confusing figures in Nigeria's history was Awolowo. He claimed he wanted secession and zik rejected. But when the opportunity presented itself during Biafra, the same Awolowo made a complete U-turn and became and started fighting for a unitary one Nigeria as championed by gowon.


Your people's penchant to look away even when truth stares them in the face is legendary.

Look at how you excused Zik from the blame. Zik ought to have argued in favour of secession like Awolowo, but he probably thought his people would succeed in lording over other tribes. Sadly, the opposite is the case today.

If Zik had supported secession clause, that would have been two against one. His people won't be screaming Biafra or death today and begging to secede. So you see, Awolowo was a visioneer, he saw today from yesterday.

It's sad that you now want Awolowo to commit a treasonable offense like Ojukwu after the latter's brother Zik supported the law that placed secessionist tendencies as treason.

The moment you fail to acknowledge the truth, no matter how bitter, you will start to make horrible decisions. That's what is wrong with your people.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 10:50am On Jun 06
Zik was a statesman.
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by coolitempa(f): 10:51am On Jun 06
gidgiddy:


It's one of the reasons both tribes have no business being in one country

Just two years ago when Obi came on the scene, you were dying to push for one Nigeria.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by ElSudani: 10:51am On Jun 06
gidgiddy:


Zik is like many Nigerians of today who see a disaster of a country that should be dissolved, but want it to last forever. Zik could never understand that his vision of a A great united Nigeria was simply not possible, the people are too different

It was one disastrous vision Zik had, and he should have known better, that Nigeria would never work

Actually the secession clause could have worked the opposite way. It could have made Nigeria a more united and just country where each region will feel like an equal stakeholder in the country.
The idea that one section can oppress the other could have been avoided because we will all understand that a situation like that can easily disintegrate the country.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by ElSudani: 10:52am On Jun 06
AlexBells:
Zik was a statesman.

Zik was not very smart.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by TimeManager(m): 10:53am On Jun 06
gidgiddy:


It's one of the reasons both tribes have no business being in one country
But Zik disagreed while Awo felt we shouldn't be forced together. Zik wanted the pan-Africanism, entrenched the Zikist movement with the ideology that God created the ibos to dominate Africa. And that's why the kids shouting Biafra today thought Nigeria started in 1966 or 2015. The Zikists are solely responsible for their self inflicted woes that blight them till date.

-Kiss the truth!

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 10:54am On Jun 06
gidgiddy:


Zik is like many Nigerians of today who see a disaster of a country that should be dissolved, but want it to last forever. Zik could never understand that his vision of a A great united Nigeria was simply not possible, the people are too different

It was one disastrous vision Zik had, and he should have known better, that Nigeria would never work
The thing I don’t fancy about you is that you always talk without considering timing. In 1954, what value will Zik stand on to support secession when the bone of contention was independence. Zik was a great guy. Awo was being delusional. Yes today Nigeria seems chaotic but that wasn’t the case in 1954. In fact the North opposed independence but Awo was proposing secession which could have plunged the young country into chaos of course at the end it did, Zik has long been vindicated.
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by TimeManager(m): 10:55am On Jun 06
1957 London constitutional conference, Nigerian representatives across party lines and regions were invited to have an input in the drafting of the independence constitution. Zik took it personally, beyond debate and conviction but calling on the british authority to arrest anyone who speaks for secession, he called it a treason and we all know what that means to ask that people be indicted for treason. It was a capital punishment. Zik was the architect of a dyfunctional foundation of the country.

-Kiss the truth!

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 10:56am On Jun 06
ElSudani:


Zik was not very smart.
You are not in position to decide that but I can guarantee nobody in your generation yet comes close to Zik in smartness. Same secession later plunged the country to 3 years of civil war and you think Zik wasn’t smart in avoiding that in the first place.

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