AlexBells:

You are not in position to decide that but I can guarantee nobody in your generation yet comes close to Zik in smartness. Same secession later plunged the country to 3 years of civil war and you think Zik wasn’t smart in avoiding that in the first place.

With the benefit of hindsight I can say that as boldly as I can. Zik wasn't smart at all.

TimeManager:

Read the article very well or go get the full speech of Azikiwe against secession clause. Zik clearly argued that any attempt to divide the union by secession was treasonable. He argued that Nigeria is an indivisible and indisoluble union. Impliedly, Zik was appealing to the British monarchy to arrest and jail Awolowo for supporting the inclusion of secession clause.

-Kiss the truth!

what did did you say now that I didn't say?

ElSudani:


With the benefit of hindsight I can say that as boldly as I can. Zik wasn't smart at all.

Why would you use the benefits of hindsight to judge a man who tried to avert yiur so called hindsight, you consider yourself smart by using a past question paper to judge the one who sat for the exam, you are not smart, you are a stup!d cheat. Zik could have averted the Civil war

AlexBells:

Why would you use the benefits of hindsight to judge a man who tried to avert yiur so called hindsight, you consider yourself smart by using a past question paper to judge the one who sat for the exam, you are not smart, you are a stup!d cheat. Zik could have averted the Civil war

Awolowo his contemporary was there and he was able to make a sound judgment. If I was in the audience when both were making their arguments there's no way I could have foreseen what was going to come.
But I guess Awo saw it and today he is vindicated.

mrvitalis:
what did did you say now that I didn't say?

You're trying to be smart by half, you ain't a student of history. If Zik had not opposed, there would have been a consensus. When there was a consensus for independence, the British stepped back and handed our country to us.

-Kiss the truth!

TimeManager:

You're trying to be smart by half, you ain't a student of history. If Zik had not opposed, there would have been a consensus. When there was a consensus for independence, the British stepped back and handed our country to us.

-Kiss the truth!

Go back read what I wrote.. Read what u wrote

Then read the article again slowly this time at a level your brain can comprehend

smileyoo:
Indeed Mr Azikiwe contributed in placing us in this bondage like contraption called Nigeria because of his fanatical yet unrealistic believe in Nigerian unity as a nationalist, but 6 decades counting, his vision of Nigerian unity is still a mirage, proving chief Awolowo vindicated as a realist and a visionary leader.
even during the Biafra / Nigeria civil war, Mr Azikiwe was still sadly deluded by his personal conviction of the imaginary Nigeria unity, to the extent that he rigidly refused to lend any support to the Biafra struggle and the yearnings of our people, i wish he was still alive to see the precarious situation, that his illusion of imaginary national unity had placed upon the victimized citizens of Nigeria.
Indeed Awolowo was the best president that Nigeria never had.

If Awolowo was a visionary, why then did he go ahead along with the west into independence with the rest of the country?

Since Azikiwe had clearly stated before independence that it would be treasonable, why would he agree with the secession plan, knowing that he along with the east were signatories to Nigerian independence?

Or did you not read that secession was debated deeply and Awolowo took the whole day to present his point? Or you do not know that if Awolowo was not convinced, he would not have proceeded?

The only bondage there simply is the bondage of voting for very horrible leaders. When you vote for those who violate you financially, embezzle the common patrimony, put you in servitude and perpetual misery, do not blame Awolowo, Azikiwe, Sadauna and the rest, who were honest leaders and wanted better societies for their people.

ElSudani:


Awolowo his contemporary was there and he was able to make a sound judgment. If I was in the audience when both were making their arguments there's no way I could have foreseen what was going to come.
But I guess Awo saw it and today he is vindicated.

His judgement wasn’t sound at all, his judgement inspired the civil war and brought us into this mess

AlexBells:

The thing I don’t fancy about you is that you always talk without considering timing. In 1954, what value will Zik stand on to support secession when the bone of contention was independence. Zik was a great guy. Awo was being delusional. Yes today Nigeria seems chaotic but that wasn’t the case in 1954. In fact the North opposed independence but Awo was proposing secession which could have plunged the young country into chaos of course at the end it did, Zik has long been vindicated.

The way you people reason ehn. You guys never want to admit you are wrong for once. To you, it means you are a loser.

You said Nigeria is chaotic today. Awolowo saw that and prescribed a means to avoid it, which was a secession clause. Sadly, the Zik you are praising today was myopic and should be blamed for the chaos in Nigeria today.

You people lack visionary leaders and it's all because you deny the truth. You are even ready to attack whoever tells the truth among you . Same way you guys say there's no hunger in your region and pounced on Cubana Chief Priest for telling the truth.

mrvitalis:
So zik was not even the one that made the decision, he only debated in favour of it? The final decision was in the hands of a Brit... Who had already made up his mind not to include succession before zik debated?

If they can change national anthem they can change the Constitution this is not even a debate

If Zik fought against it vigorously as Awolowo campaigned for it, why then are Zik:d children crying over spilled milk?

Armaggedon:
Zik stood for regionalism and federalism with financial and legislative autonomy where the regions developed in their own pace. No contradictions.

One of the most confusing figures in Nigeria's history was Awolowo. He claimed he wanted secession and zik rejected. But when the opportunity presented itself during Biafra, the same Awolowo made a complete U-turn and became and started fighting for a unitary one Nigeria as championed by gowon.

E be like say you be complete illiterate. Zik fought on behalf of Nigeria and against Ojukwu and his Biafran gang

AlexBells:

His judgement wasn’t sound at all, his judgement inspired the civil war and brought us into this mess

Very true my friend. Nnamdi Kanu is sitting in jail today as a consequence of that dumb decision.
Rather than being pacified and concessions being made to him and Ibos on how to keep the country one.
He is languishing in jail and many ignorant people people are still out there shouting nzogbu nzogbu.

LifestyleTonite:


The way you people reason ehn. You guys never want to admit you are wrong for once. To you, it means you are a loser.

You said Nigeria is chaotic today. Awolowo saw that and prescribed a means to avoid it, which was a secession clause. Sadly, the Zik you are praising today was myopic and should be blamed for the chaos in Nigeria today.

You people lack visionary leaders and it's all because you deny the truth. You are even ready to attack whoever tells the truth among you . Same way you guys say there's no hunger in your region and pounced on Cubana Chief Priest for telling the truth.

Even today we can see the impact of your being right, you are failures Nationalized

ElSudani:


Very true my friend. Nnamdi Kanu is sitting in jail today as a consequence of that dumb decision.
Rather than being pacified and concessions being made to him and Ibos on how to keep the country one.
He is languishing in jail and many ignorant people people are still out there shouting nzogbu nzogbu.

This is a free country,Kanu is free to pursue his dreams, Awo was also in prison for similar accusations

TimeManager:

But Zik disagreed while Awo felt we shouldn't be forced together. Zik wanted the pan-Africanism, entrenched the Zikist movement with the ideology that God created the ibos to dominate Africa. And that's why the kids shouting Biafra today thought Nigeria started in 1966 or 2015. The Zikists are solely responsible for their self inflicted woes that blight them till date.

-Kiss the truth!

Zik is just one man, we are talking about millions of people here

StreetFight:


If Zik fought against it vigorously as Awolowo campaigned for it, why then are Zik:d children crying over spilled milk?

the decision was neither zik ir awos

After Awolowo the SGF already said he didn't do a good job that he can't include based on Awolowo arguments before zik even spoke the next day

No be same article we all read?

ElSudani:


Actually the secession clause could have worked the opposite way. It could have made Nigeria a more united and just country where each region will feel like an equal stakeholder in the country.
The ideal that one section can oppress the other could have been avoided because we will all understand that a situation like that can easily disintegrate the country.

Fear of disintegration is not how to keep a country together. You keep a country together by the fact that coming together proved to be more beneficial than being apart

That's not the case with Nigeria

Armaggedon:
Zik stood for regionalism and federalism with financial and legislative autonomy where the regions developed in their own pace. No contradictions.

One of the most confusing figures in Nigeria's history was Awolowo. He claimed he wanted secession and zik rejected. But when the opportunity presented itself during Biafra, the same Awolowo made a complete U-turn and became and started fighting for a unitary one Nigeria as championed by Honolulu

that's the problems with that tribe
. They are like chameleons.. They don't stand on one place ..he knows that the it's are the economic backbone of Nigeria

gidgiddy:
This is another classic example of why the Nigerian, and indeed Africans, are backward

The white man comes from Europe, uses superior firepower to overrun your ancestors, bamboozled them all into a British colonial project called "Nigeria"

But long after the white man has gone back home, you are still killing your selves to preserve the country he created. You answer a name "Nigerian" that a white woman created in London as your national identity

When someone like Ojukwu, an indigenous son of the soil, wants to create a country, you fight war, kill your selves in the millions, just to uphold a country created by the white man

But there is nothing you as a black African will ever create that Will make the white man kill his white brother

An enforced illegal colonial contraption that the white man shed the blood of your ancestors to create, is what you now shed the blood of your African brother to uphold. This is what you call treason and terrorism.

Terrible

When Adaka boro tried to create a separate entity from Nigeria.

Your forefathers ironsi and ojukwu frustrated his effort.

Stop crying of what your elders are guilty of.

Nnamdi Azikiwe opposed secession clause in our constitution in the early days because he thought Nigeria in its entirety will fall under Igbo domination.. he has several quotes about some gods giving Igbos dominance over Nigeria credited to him. Let them not deceive you that they wanted regionalism or federalism and whatnot.
Ahmadu Bello pointed it out clearly in his interview that Igbos took over all the Governmemt jobs in the North and he changed everything to ensure Northerners get jobs in their region. That made him introduce the " Northerner first" policy which has favoured Northerners till date.

That is why it's always good to think deeply before acting.. they orchestrated first blo0dy coup d'etat on 15 January, 1966 but Northerners fought back and took power for themselves while docile Yorubas looked on.

coolitempa:


Just two years ago when Obi came on the scene, you were dying to push for one Nigeria.

Really? Don't you know that people are still seeking Oduduwa Republic even though a Yoruba man had became President?

I can seek one Nigeria when there is nothing one about us beyond the fact that the British brought us together

gidgiddy:


Fear of disintegration is not how to keep a country together. You keep a country together by the fact that coming together proved to be more beneficial than being apart

That's not the case with Nigeria

You are right, and when this doesn't happen? Do you part ways peacefully or do you waste millions of lives?
The British themselves have a provision for self determination by its constituent units.
Scotland almost left the union just a few years back.

Judgementa1:


When Adaka boro tried to create a separate entity from Nigeria.

Your forefathers ironsi and ojukwu frustrated his effort.

Stop crying of what your elders are guilty of.

And the lessons to be learnt from that is that nobody should be held in Nigeria against their will when referendum can solve the problem

gidgiddy:


And the lessons to be learnt from that is that nobody should be held in Nigeria against their will when referendum can solve the problem

Nobody is forcing u to stay.

Tell your governors, senators, house of rep state house of assembly to initiate it.

Or u want others to conduct the referendum on ur behalf.

Judgementa1:



Nobody is forcing u to stay.

Tell your governors, senators, house of rep state house of assembly to initiate it.

Or u want others to conduct the referendum on ur behalf.

And which Governor or rep initiated it when Nigeria was being created by the British?

mrvitalis:
So zik was not even the one that made the decision, he only debated in favour of it? The final decision was in the hands of a Brit... Who had already made up his mind not to include succession before zik debated?

If they can change national anthem they can change the Constitution this is not even a debate

It wasn't entirely dependent on the Brits because if all had agreed to secession, it'd have been part of the then constitution.

JAMO84:
So as at the time Ojukwu was trying to remove Biafra from Nigeria, he was commiting treason and actually deserved to be shot dead at bar Beach.


Azikwe made sure Nigeria is indivisible, but his children are crying all over social media today, telling ordinary citizens like me to let them go, as if I used rope to tie them.

If Gowon had laid hands on him he would have most certainly be hung by the neck until dead

gidgiddy:


And which Governor or rep initiated it when Nigeria was being created by the British?

Awolowo tried to have the clause in the constitution but zik opposed it.

If zik had agree to it maybe an ACT or provisions would have been made for it in subsequent constitution.

The problem with u people is that u feel u can decide for other.


Tell your leaders who have the power under the present law to initiate it.

LifestyleTonite:


Your people's penchant to look away even when truth stares them in the face is legendary.

Look at how you excused Zik from the blame. Zik ought to have argued in favour of secession like Awolowo, but he probably thought his people would succeed in lording over other tribes. Sadly, the opposite is the case today.

If Zik had supported secession clause, that would have been two against one. His people won't be screaming Biafra or death today and begging to secede. So you see, Awolowo was a visioneer, he saw today from yesterday.

It's sad that you now want Awolowo to commit a treasonable offense like Ojukwu after the latter's brother Zik supported the law that placed secessionist tendencies as treason.

The moment you fail to acknowledge the truth, no matter how bitter, you will start to make horrible decisions. That's what is wrong with your people.

shut up! Gowon ended federalism in Nigeria and declared war not zik. Zik supported a regional federation and did not contradict himself. Zik never claimed to be a seperatist. It was Awolowo who claims to be a separatist at first but when it was time to act it out during the war, he started to endorse what he hated.

Awolowo was the only politician in history who is known to have taken a major decision not based on strategy but his "antipathy towards the Igbos" Such a fool.

nobody really knows what he stood for till this day.

gidgiddy:


Zik is just one man, we are talking about millions of people here

No, not millions of people. These were political leaders of their parties representing their respective regions. Four regions, major political parties, and selected representatives were at the constitutional conference to put together our independence constitution. Read, understand and use the brain. Stop fabricating tales off of your ignorance.

-Kiss the truth!

StreetFight:


If Zik fought against it vigorously as Awolowo campaigned for it, why then are Zik:d children crying over spilled milk?

I hope u can read?

Armaggedon:
shut up! Gowon ended federalism in Nigeria and declared war not zik. Zik supported a regional federation and did not contradict himself. Zik never claimed to be a seperatist. It was Awolowo who claims to be a separatist at first but when it was time to act it out during the war, he started to endorse what he hated.

Awolowo was the only politician in history who is known to have taken a major decision not based on strategy but his "antipathy towards the Igbos" Such a fool.

nobody really knows what he stood for till this day.

Why do u feel igbos has right to decide for others

Who made sure Adaka successions from Nigeria was not successful. Ibos.

So an ijaw man does not have the right to succession.