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Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by Sleekfingers: 3:20pm On Jun 06
ARISHEM:
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Shey cow na citizen.



Cows are Ist class citizens in Nigeria, are you not aware ?
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by Sleekfingers: 3:21pm On Jun 06
Excluding Benue and plateau state ....The North is the major problem of this country

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Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:21pm On Jun 06
[quote author=imbless post=130335595][/quote]

What is a ranch ?
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by SunMusk(m): 3:22pm On Jun 06
Thy re eating people crops,damaging life. The law is not restricting them to move. If you can stop your animals from eating people crops. Which is their source of livelihood. U can practice open grazing. But unfortunately you can't stop. So the best way is for animals to stay in a large open shelter and be provided for. This is not discrimination law. This herders men contribute to what we are suffering now in Nigeria. Farmers don't want to farm again. Government protect farmers. Protect their sources of livelihood.
malali:
Potential Impact on Beef Prices
Implementing large-scale ranching could significantly increase the cost of beef due to the high expenses associated with establishing and maintaining ranches.These would make Nigerian cows too expensive for purchase as cows from Niger and other neighboring countries practicing open grazing will be cheaper in the open market.

Suggested Practical Solutions
Designated Grazing Areas: Allocate specific areas for grazing to prevent clashes while allowing pastoralists to continue traditional herding methods.
Conflict Resolution Mechanisms: Establish local committees to mediate disputes between farmers and herders, promoting peaceful coexistence.
Cooperative Farming: Encourage farmers and herders to form cooperatives, sharing resources and knowledge to improve productivity and harmony.
Community-Based Animal Health Services: Provide mobile veterinary services to support herders, reducing the need for long migrations and potential conflicts.
These solutions aim to be cost-effective and fair to both cattle herders and farmers, ensuring sustainable practices and reducing conflicts.


The Southeast is allowed to ply their trade and open spare parts shop in katsina
The Southwest is holding Aso-rock Office in Abuja
The South-south is FCT Minister in Abuja
Why cant the northern Fulani man feed his cow in the south ?
Lets be tolerant and restructure cattle grazing to accommodate everybody.







Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by benjaminlawson(m): 3:23pm On Jun 06
malali:
Potential Impact on Beef Prices
Implementing large-scale ranching could significantly increase the cost of beef due to the high expenses associated with establishing and maintaining ranches.These would make Nigerian cows too expensive for purchase as cows from Niger and other neighboring countries practicing open grazing will be cheaper in the open market.

Suggested Practical Solutions
Designated Grazing Areas: Allocate specific areas for grazing to prevent clashes while allowing pastoralists to continue traditional herding methods.
Conflict Resolution Mechanisms: Establish local committees to mediate disputes between farmers and herders, promoting peaceful coexistence.
Cooperative Farming: Encourage farmers and herders to form cooperatives, sharing resources and knowledge to improve productivity and harmony.
Community-Based Animal Health Services: Provide mobile veterinary services to support herders, reducing the need for long migrations and potential conflicts.
These solutions aim to be cost-effective and fair to both cattle herders and farmers, ensuring sustainable practices and reducing conflicts.


The Southeast is allowed to ply their trade and open spare parts shop in katsina
The Southwest is holding Aso-rock Office in Abuja
The South-south is FCT Minister in Abuja
Why cant the northern Fulani man feed his cow in the south ?
Lets be tolerant and restructure cattle grazing to accommodate everybody.


This your argument is not tenable at all, the Ibo that have open shop for part in Katsina or south west with aso oke in Abuje, are they not rent or bought the land being used? but Fulani always fight or destroy the properties of their host? We grew up to know fulani in our Yoruba community and we are leaving peacefully, but recently, most fulani have turned themselves to agent of rape and killing, am very sure if these places you mentioned, seeing the stranger doing business in their community, conduct themselves unlike manner, they will not hesitate to send them away from their community.










Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by 7demons: 3:23pm On Jun 06
helinues:


Sebi if I report you now for trolling considering how many times you have mentioned me unnecessarily just this morning, your body go calm down.

I've told you that you will die very soon. Untimely death.
You will die a painful slow death.
Keep reporting to seun. I say I should inform you. Sooner than later.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:25pm On Jun 06
[quote author=benjaminlawson post=130336538][/quote]

I agree with you
There are bad fulanis
But not everyone is bad.
Restructured grazing can be done
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:26pm On Jun 06
SunMusk:
Thy re eating people crops,damaging life. The law is not restricting them to move. If you can stop your animals from eating people crops. Which is their source of livelihood. U can practice open grazing. But unfortunately you can't stop. So the best way is for animals to stay in a large open shelter and be provided for. This is not discrimination law. This herders men contribute to what we are suffering now in Nigeria. Farmers don't want to farm again. Government protect farmers. Protect their sources of livelihood.

You make good points.
We have bad eggs
But not everyone should be punished
Amicable solutions are possible.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by 7demons: 3:27pm On Jun 06
KillahPriest:
The highlighted is the criminality I'm talking about. How can you come all the way from Futa jalon to another man's State/village and collect designated grazing area or will you do same if I want to rear pigs in your country ? Buy or lease land instead of blackmailing Nigerians
This is the reason people want this country to divide for good. No restructuring, just divide!
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by imbless: 3:28pm On Jun 06
malali:


What is a ranch ?
I ignored your initial response to me, that should tell you that I actually think you are daft, I sincerely apologize for quoting a daft person like you initially.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:28pm On Jun 06
WhizdomXX:

Ranching is part of the disciplinary actions.

Ranching for you as well....lol
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by Dpharisee: 3:29pm On Jun 06
Mindlog:
The senators from the core Northern states are very much aware they are the minority as majority of the senators from Kwara, Kogi, Benue, Taraba and Plateau would vote in favour of the bill alongside their Southern counterparts.
Its now obvious that they are actually a minority playing with the destiny of the country because many non core northerners don't know the powers they possess
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by WhizdomXX(m): 3:29pm On Jun 06
malali:


You would be surprised.
That I come to your land to farm anywhere I like? freely moving, pastorally?
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by WhizdomXX(m): 3:29pm On Jun 06
malali:


Ranching for you as well....lol
Lol, how?
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:29pm On Jun 06
tunjijones:


U no get sense. Is Abuja owned by Fulani?

Cattle rearing is a personal business. You can't be using Ur personal business to disturb other people.

Abuja is owned by the Gbayi's
Is Lagos owned by the yorubas

You wey get sense. Answer me !
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:32pm On Jun 06
PrincessDiana:
There are only one or two rational people like you on this thread.
The rest are just parroting what the press have made them believe.


Unfortunately its mob action now in Nigeria
People dont even use their brain anymore
The same people that cant eat 3 square meals, want to tie down a cow and feed it for 2 years before sellign it in the market
When the cheapest cow is now 5 million naira, they are the same people that will start shouting
We cant afford it.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:33pm On Jun 06
PrincessDiana:
This was how you people were hailing the vilification of Emefiele as they claimed he stole all the intervention fund for agriculture and that it was all scam. Now we are seeing unprecedented price inflation in food prices due to the stoppage of those funding.

I will be here when Nigerians start to suffer the consequences of their support for stupid government policies. It is difficult for most Nigerians to understand basic cause and effect events because they hardly read to learn but would rather propagate rumours.


I am impressed with your level of reasoning and connecting the dots
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:36pm On Jun 06
Blue3k:


You're assuming the same people who can't feed themselves are going to be the ones starting the business. New players will enter the sector with money. The starving herder can sell off his cattle and move on with their life as a cow hand or something else. Nigerians already do buy Nigerian cows but you're complaining about expensive food while blocking out cheaper options.

If Nigerians can't compete that's tough luck. These ranchers better start learning to feed ther cows hay in the dry season. There's plenty of farms that can and will supply it. Open herding is coming to an end just like the age of the cowboy came to end in the 1800s. I doubt these people will be looked at as romantically as the latter.

Beef is a world commodity, you seem like an exposed person
I want you to compare the price of beef in USA, Brazil and China
Compare it with beef in Nigerian market.
Tell me which is cheaper and by how many percentage ?
Then tell me if you still prefer ranching to open grazing.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by 7upnigeria: 3:37pm On Jun 06
malali:
Potential Impact on Beef Prices
Implementing large-scale ranching could significantly increase the cost of beef due to the high expenses associated with establishing and maintaining ranches.These would make Nigerian cows too expensive for purchase as cows from Niger and other neighboring countries practicing open grazing will be cheaper in the open market.

Suggested Practical Solutions
Designated Grazing Areas: Allocate specific areas for grazing to prevent clashes while allowing pastoralists to continue traditional herding methods.
Conflict Resolution Mechanisms: Establish local committees to mediate disputes between farmers and herders, promoting peaceful coexistence.
Cooperative Farming: Encourage farmers and herders to form cooperatives, sharing resources and knowledge to improve productivity and harmony.
Community-Based Animal Health Services: Provide mobile veterinary services to support herders, reducing the need for long migrations and potential conflicts.
These solutions aim to be cost-effective and fair to both cattle herders and farmers, ensuring sustainable practices and reducing conflicts.


The Southeast is allowed to ply their trade and open spare parts shop in katsina
The Southwest is holding Aso-rock Office in Abuja
The South-south is FCT Minister in Abuja
Why cant the northern Fulani man feed his cow in the south ?
Lets be tolerant and restructure cattle grazing to accommodate everybody.





See, Fulani people don too do for this country. There would have been no need for all of these if they were peaceful like they used to be. Fulanis have been with us for a long time, all of a sudden they started killing farmers and abducting people for ransom.

I dont understand the motive behind your questions but be informed that nobody SHOULD BE COMFORTABLE having herdsmen wandering around their forests currently. Many lives HAVE BEEN LOST and many ARE MORE LIKELY TO STILL BE LOST if herdsmen are still legally backed to continue with their ARCHAIC METHOD of raising cattles, Fulanis have messed themselves up in southern Nigeria. Matter of fact, theyve become point and kill object in some parts of the southeast.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by antiMuhamad: 3:38pm On Jun 06
malali:
Potential Impact on Beef Prices
Implementing large-scale ranching could significantly increase the cost of beef due to the high expenses associated with establishing and maintaining ranches.These would make Nigerian cows too expensive for purchase as cows from Niger and other neighboring countries practicing open grazing will be cheaper in the open market.

Suggested Practical Solutions
Designated Grazing Areas: Allocate specific areas for grazing to prevent clashes while allowing pastoralists to continue traditional herding methods.
Conflict Resolution Mechanisms: Establish local committees to mediate disputes between farmers and herders, promoting peaceful coexistence.
Cooperative Farming: Encourage farmers and herders to form cooperatives, sharing resources and knowledge to improve productivity and harmony.
Community-Based Animal Health Services: Provide mobile veterinary services to support herders, reducing the need for long migrations and potential conflicts.
These solutions aim to be cost-effective and fair to both cattle herders and farmers, ensuring sustainable practices and reducing conflicts.


The Southeast is allowed to ply their trade and open spare parts shop in katsina
The Southwest is holding Aso-rock Office in Abuja
The South-south is FCT Minister in Abuja
Why cant the northern Fulani man feed his cow in the south ?
Lets be tolerant and restructure cattle grazing to accommodate everybody.







E no go better for you, your cattles, your lineage and the stupid god you serve.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by Ade3131: 3:39pm On Jun 06
malali:
Potential Impact on Beef Prices
Implementing large-scale ranching could significantly increase the cost of beef due to the high expenses associated with establishing and maintaining ranches.These would make Nigerian cows too expensive for purchase as cows from Niger and other neighboring countries practicing open grazing will be cheaper in the open market.

Suggested Practical Solutions
Designated Grazing Areas: Allocate specific areas for grazing to prevent clashes while allowing pastoralists to continue traditional herding methods.
Conflict Resolution Mechanisms: Establish local committees to mediate disputes between farmers and herders, promoting peaceful coexistence.
Cooperative Farming: Encourage farmers and herders to form cooperatives, sharing resources and knowledge to improve productivity and harmony.
Community-Based Animal Health Services: Provide mobile veterinary services to support herders, reducing the need for long migrations and potential conflicts.
These solutions aim to be cost-effective and fair to both cattle herders and farmers, ensuring sustainable practices and reducing conflicts.


The Southeast is allowed to ply their trade and open spare parts shop in katsina
The Southwest is holding Aso-rock Office in Abuja
The South-south is FCT Minister in Abuja
Why cant the northern Fulani man feed his cow in the south ?
Lets be tolerant and restructure cattle grazing to accommodate everybody.





Ordinarily, there's nothing bad in allowing open grazing in any part of Nigeria but the problem you seem to fail to acknowledge is the bloodshed and conflict it has caused over the years. Failing to acknowledge these downsides implies that you place premium on the life of a cow over those who are being killed daily by the herders.

There have to be a way forward. With our current practice of free-ranging of cattles, can you say Nigeria produce more beef and milk than Kenya that practice ranching?

Yes, it's going to be expensive and might seem difficult at the beginning but trust me, it's just the ideal thing to do.

My only reservation with the bill is the clause that specified that ranches be established in the "pastoralists state of origin." I don't think that is 100% appropriate but there's always room for ammendment because what that means is that a Fulani man will need to go back to his state of origin to do his business of cattle raring, and this is not logically correct because people from other trade are allowed to live and do their business in any state of the federation sofar they're Nigerian.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by brownlolly(m): 3:42pm On Jun 06
Hypocritical statement. If the ECOWAS protocol and the Nigerian constitution allows for free movement of citizens, goods and services, tell me why alcohol is seized and destroyed in Northern states practicing Sharia Law.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:42pm On Jun 06
Mayflowa:


Well I appreciate your concern for thinking of a path forward to resolve the conflict between farmers and herders. In reality these action steps will not work because the people involve are not educated enough to engage in civilized cooperation. Any little argument will lead to bloodbath. Moreso, herders just pass through these farms, they are not known and can't be reached - this is the worst part of pastoral herding. I agree with you, no one should be restricted from doing business in any part of Nigeria. Don't just move cattle around. No one move goat or chicken around. And government should not be involved in creating ranches for cattle farmers. They should provide a loan for it that individuals, any individual, can draw from to acquire land for ranches. Cattle farming is no more than a private business like selling gold in Kano or Edo market

Thank you for being civil with your comment. Nowadays we have to thank people for civility,as its rare on Nairaland. I understand the concerns raised. I do not have the answer,i think we have the worlds cheapest beef because of open grazing. Taking away cheap beef could have a lot of consequences down the line. Ranching is expensive. A lot of people throwing the word around. Grazing routes could be established. Nigeria is big enough, to accommodate farmers an ranchers. Feeding a cow in a ranch for 2 years before selling will make beef prices next to Gold in Nigeria. Trust me. Look at beef prices in USA, Brazil and China. We cannot pay those prices with our minimum wage.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by starz100: 3:46pm On Jun 06
For those lawmakers that oppose the law, the way to treat is them is to resrict the livestock grazing to their region, while the senators that support the law should have the law enforced in the region.Don't use your own to spoil my own.This is one of the problems of high food prices today in our markets, but politicians will turn blind eyes to it.Many people would have taken to farming but are afraid of fulani herdsmen.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:49pm On Jun 06
Ade3131:


Ordinarily, there's nothing bad in allowing open grazing in any part of Nigeria but the problem you seem to fail to acknowledge is the bloodshed and conflict it has caused over the years. Failing to acknowledge these downsides implies that you place premium on the life of a cow over those who are being killed daily by the herders.

There have to be a way forward. With our current practice of free-ranging of cattles, can you say Nigeria produce more beef and milk than Kenya that practice ranching?

Yes, it's going to be expensive and might seem difficult at the beginning but trust me, it's just the ideal thing to do.

My only reservation with the bill is the clause that specified that ranches be established in the "pastoralists state of origin." I don't think that is 100% appropriate but there's always room for ammendment because what that means is that a Fulani man will need to go back to his state of origin to do his business of cattle raring, and this is not logically correct because people from other trade are allowed to live and do their business in any state of the federation sofar they're Nigerian.
You make good points, I dont claim to have the answer. Your suggestions are welcomed
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by Blue3k(m): 3:52pm On Jun 06
malali:


Beef is a world commodity, you seem like an exposed person
I want you to compare the price of beef in USA, Brazil and China
Compare it with beef in Nigerian market.
Tell me which is cheaper and by how many percentage ?
Then tell me if you still prefer ranching to open grazing.

ABeef Round (1 lb) (or Equivalent Back Leg Red Meat

$7.25 πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ

$2.41 πŸ‡³πŸ‡¬

I prefer ranching because I get more beef at a cheaper price than you relative to income. Ranchers are more productive πŸ’ͺ compared to Nigerian herders. There's less conflict. I don't see how Nigerians are better off. The cost of living is cheaper in Nigeria in general but income is much lower.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:52pm On Jun 06
7upnigeria:



See, Fulani people don too do for this country. There would have been no need for all of these if they were peaceful like they used to be. Fulanis have been with us for a long time, all of a sudden they started killing farmers and abducting people for ransom.

I dont understand the motive behind your questions but be informed that nobody SHOULD BE COMFORTABLE having herdsmen wandering around their forests currently. Many lives HAVE BEEN LOST and many ARE MORE LIKELY TO STILL BE LOST if herdsmen are still legally backed to continue with their ARCHAIC METHOD of raising cattles, Fulanis have messed themselves up in southern Nigeria. Matter of fact, theyve become point and kill object in some parts of the southeast.

I see your point,but dont forget there are bad ones in every group. Collective treatment of everyone as bad is never the answer.Your points are appreciated.

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Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:54pm On Jun 06
imbless:

I ignored your initial response to me, that should tell you that I actually think you are daft, I sincerely apologize for quoting a daft person like you initially.

LOL....if you had answered rightly. I would have been surprised.
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by banky222: 3:55pm On Jun 06
NaijaVietnamese:
Unfortunately for them, they’ve lost majority say in both chambers. Middle belt and South will vote for the bill.


You think south west senators will vote for that bill?
Just watch
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by RillJ(m): 3:56pm On Jun 06
Only fuming? Please update us when they start foaming!
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by malali: 3:58pm On Jun 06
Blue3k:


ABeef Round (1 lb) (or Equivalent Back Leg Red Meat

$7.25 πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ

$2.41 πŸ‡³πŸ‡¬

I prefer ranching because I get more beef at a cheaper price than you relative to income. Ranchers are more productive πŸ’ͺ compared to Nigerian herders. There's less conflict. I don't see how Nigerians are better off. The cost of living is cheaper in Nigeria in general but income is much lower.

If USA with all its genetics modification and hybrid produces beef at $7.25
Nigerians will not be able to buy beef if the price doubled to $5.00
All these people online shouting and cursing would complain with more anger.
Ranching is expensive but we all love to eat affordable Suya
Re: Lawmakers Move To Restrict Cattle Herders, Northern Senators Fume by samcolee(m): 3:59pm On Jun 06
malali:
Potential Impact on Beef Prices
Implementing large-scale ranching could significantly increase the cost of beef due to the high expenses associated with establishing and maintaining ranches.These would make Nigerian cows too expensive for purchase as cows from Niger and other neighboring countries practicing open grazing will be cheaper in the open market.

Suggested Practical Solutions
Designated Grazing Areas: Allocate specific areas for grazing to prevent clashes while allowing pastoralists to continue traditional herding methods.
Conflict Resolution Mechanisms: Establish local committees to mediate disputes between farmers and herders, promoting peaceful coexistence.
Cooperative Farming: Encourage farmers and herders to form cooperatives, sharing resources and knowledge to improve productivity and harmony.
Community-Based Animal Health Services: Provide mobile veterinary services to support herders, reducing the need for long migrations and potential conflicts.
These solutions aim to be cost-effective and fair to both cattle herders and farmers, ensuring sustainable practices and reducing conflicts.


The Southeast is allowed to ply their trade and open spare parts shop in katsina
The Southwest is holding Aso-rock Office in Abuja
The South-south is FCT Minister in Abuja
Why cant the northern Fulani man feed his cow in the south ?
Lets be tolerant and restructure cattle grazing to accommodate everybody.









It's not by force to eat cow meat, you can sell it any amount so long as you don't harvest people's farm produce and give to your cows. The poultry, pig and other farmers don't they buy land they use for their biz? Why should you graze on my farm produce and at the end sell same cow to me while I'd be left with nothing at the end of the day?

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