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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by LordAdam16: 10:57pm On Jul 20
bemeruca:


Israel is responding because the Houthis killed one and injured several in Tel Aviv.
Israel has been bombing Syria and Iran, they can bomb the Houthis if they want and they did when the Houthis killed an Israeli and this is in the same response they have been doing for a while before Oct 7. Hamas shoots rockets, and Israel responds by leveling a building. the same is true for Lebanon so this is nothing new and if the Houthis continue, you will see a more severe response from Israel.

Why are they not responding to the Houthis sinking their ships?
Is that not an act of war?

If Hamas shoots rockets and they respond by leveling a building.
Why are they not responding to Houthis making submarines out of their ships?

the bold is just wrong. Saudi Arabia is at war with Yemen, and Iran wants to liberate the Saudis as well. why do you think they want to join a coalition with Israel to counter the Iranian threat?

Do you have a finger on the pulse of citizens in rich Arab states?
Do you recall how the Arab Spring started?

The monarchies are always on edge.
To date, they've been able to keep their populace sated.
But if Houthis and co start targeting their infrastructure because they're carrying water for Israelis, and that starts messing with their heavily subsidized economies; it'll create an opening for opportunistic forces within their respective states to create chaos.
At that point, it'll be about survival not geopolitics.
The optics of killing their own citizens to suppress a revolt kickstarted by Israelis massacring Gazans will be a death knell for their regimes.

Before things devolve this badly, they'd have already dropped Israel like a hot potato in a sheer survivalist move.

This is the typical dangerous game played in the Middle East.
This is why the coalition cannot act in an unrestrained or impulsive manner.
Every move must be properly calibrated.

-Lord

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Gerrard59(m): 12:31am On Jul 21
IbeOkehie:

so, I offered him condolences and asked how he was coping. He said he's not bothered at all, that the whole family had been expecting it for

Dear sir, over 75% of Black American children are now born to single parents, mostly mothers. Every kind of research in the Western world has shown that is a one way track to poverty and all sorts of bad HDI outcomes. Are you telling me all these women were FORCED to get pregnant and have these children or what? I saw a paper some time ago that over 33% of children of Black African descent in the UK are now born to single mothers ....this paper researched SUB SAHARAN AFRICANS in particular, excluding Carribean Blacks and others. I have friends in the UK and I've talked to them and they confirm it's true. One of them was so bitter and started telling me how he's living hand to mouth working like a slave while his sister simple had 3 children without marriage and now lives comfortably on big welfare payments and free housing off the government.

The data is the life around you. Like I tell people about Nigeria, everything is out in the open now, White Man has invented internet so all we have to do is LOOK, apply LOGIC and LEARN.

Actually, that is a global phenomenon. I have checked the stat here across East Asian societies and in Japan specifically, the highest rate of poverty is found in single-mother homes. In Korea and others, the same applies. One of the reasons why the birth rate is low in East Asia is because women would rather remain childless than have children whose fathers are not present in their lives. Furthermore, Tensazangetsu20 who lives in Chile corroborated the same as statistics there show there is a very high rate of single mother parenting and these homes constitute the highest proportion of poor people. In fact, the numbers I have seen have led me to believe that women should not lead the home all alone. It is a strong reason I advocate for the two-parent household and detest baby-mamaism.

I keep being tempted to start a Youtube Channel. You're telling me I don't know upper middle class or poor people in the USA or UK? Thanks for the laughs sha, wetin I no go hear for this Nairaland. I think I need to mind my own business sha...but....still, thanks for the laughs!!!

Before you begin such, be financially independent outside YouTube. Some people who prefer fats and figos instead of facts and figures will do all they can to cancel you.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 12:49am On Jul 21
Gerrard59:


Actually, that is a global phenomenon. I have checked the stat here across East Asian societies and in Japan specifically, the highest rate of poverty is found in single-mother homes. In Korea and others, the same applies. One of the reasons why the birth rate is low in East Asia is because women would rather remain childless than have children whose fathers are not present in their lives. Furthermore, Tensazangetsu20 who lives in Chile corroborated the same as statistics there show there is a very high rate of single mother parenting and these homes constitute the highest proportion of poor people. In fact, the numbers I have seen have led me to believe that women should not lead the home all alone. It is a strong reason I advocate for the two-parent household and detest baby-mamaism.



Before you begin such, be financially independent outside YouTube. Some people who prefer fats and figos instead of facts and figures will do all they can to cancel you.

You are devoted to this.
You do know Trump is on his 3rd wife. His son just got divorced too.
Republicans are hypocritical. They'll get divorced and have baby mommas and still preach to others. Right, Bemeruca?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Gerrard59(m): 12:52am On Jul 21
ijebosb:


The logic here is specious at best.

You start with a questionable premise as to why Nigerians don't support Trump, use a specious at best unsupported stat to then make another questionable generalization.

1.) Most Nigerian Americans don't support Trump and Republicans because Republicans allow racism in their party and formulate policy based on that Racism. And so that racism affects everyday life in the US and portends bad things for black children of Nigerian Americans. That racism also then extends to immigration policy. Like Trump's quotes about good and bad immigration.

While I do agree that the GOP openly endorse racism, it is important we realise that humans are tribal. The belief that everyone likes each other especially persons outside their kith is misplaced and does not exist in the real world. Two, as odd as it might sound to you, the majority of black African countries are sh!thole in nature. It hurts, yes, but it is a fact. There are more poor and dysfunctional countries in sub-Saharan Africa than elsewhere on the planet. While the US is a racially diverse society, instituting a racial-based immigration policy is not a new phenomenon. Many countries do it. A notable example is Singapore.

Humans are tribal.
2.) Then you use an unsupported stat, increased visa denial rates. But have you drilled down on that stat? Have you checked whether there has been a recent increase in applications from Nigeria (would seem like it giving the economic conditions in Nigeria). Have you looked at the incidence of fraudulent applications comparatively in the various countries and how that accounts for Visa denials? All those would drive the denial rate up. I haven't drilled down to the data, but I'm sure you haven't either. And so, the stat doesn't make the point you think it does. At least for people used to studying data.

The reason I brought up that stat is because of a recent tweet where someone admonished Nigerians in Nigeria or even in the US for supporting the GOP. One probable policy of Trump he mentioned is that citizenship by birth will end. This got me wondering - how does citizenship by birth in the US affect the ordinary Nigerian? The Nigerians who obtain such are in the top 10% of the entire population. So its cessation has nothing to do with the everyday Nigerian. One thing I have noticed in this election is how so-called elite Nigerians are afraid of a man whose policies restrict them from accessing the US. They are afraid that options to domicile outside their dominant environment which they could not build to functioning levels are reducing. It is why they support affirmative action, meant for native African Americans, because they as black Africans, including second and now third-generation, benefit disproportionately from the policies.

Meanwhile, Christians in Nigeria especially Northern Nigeria would rather support Trump who openly called out the continuous butchering of Christians in the country. It was the GOP evangelical wing who lobbied for Nigeria to be listed amongst countries where religious persecution thrives. Here is the stat: Christians are slaughtered in Nigeria than anywhere else on the earth. Yes, more Christians have been killed in the black most populous country than in China and North Korea combined. https://www.persecution.org/2023/07/11/reconsidering-nigerias-removal-from-the-cpc-list/

3.) Then you use all that to say "Democrats are less "racist" than the GOP is mere semantics", while leaving out the pure historical and contemporaneous reasons why African Americans believe the Republicans to be more racist. Just look at the Republican convention and the admitted Racists allowed to speak (Hulk Hogan, for one).

As stated above, it is mere semantics because if these Nigerians, both naturalised or not and/or living in the US or Nigeria, believe that "Democrats are less "racist", we should have seen a high rate of visa approvals since such will inevitably increase the black population in the US. However, the approval rates have been abysmal with or without Trump. It is a bipartisan policy. Remember that other African countries also had visa refusals aside from Nigeria.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Gerrard59(m): 12:59am On Jul 21
ijebosb:


You are devoted to this.
You do know Trump is on his 3rd wife. His son just got divorced too.
Republicans are hypocritical. They'll get divorced and have baby mommas and still preach to others. Right, Bemeruca?

Divorce rates are high almost everywhere in the West. The family system has been bastardised countless times compared to their peers in East Asia. Now, there even exists a law in California which promotes transgenderism amongst children, not even adolescents. Isn't that the party which says men can be women and vice-versa? That men can compete in women's sporting categories? So, I am not fazed by the gradual dysfunction in a growing number of Western countries.

Nevertheless, whether Republicans are hypocritical or not does not refute the claim Mr IbeOkehie in a third of black African homes are led by single mothers. Again, the stat globally shows that when there is a high rise in single-mother families, there is a corresponding rise in poverty. It is a straight path.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 1:00am On Jul 21
Gerrard59:

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Meanwhile, Christians in Nigeria especially Northern Nigeria would rather support Trump who openly called out the continuous butchering of Christians in the country. It was the GOP evangelical wing who lobbied for Nigeria to be listed amongst countries where religious persecution thrives. Here is the stat: Christians are slaughtered in Nigeria than anywhere else on the earth. Yes, more Christians have been killed in the black most populous country than in China and North Korea combined. https://www.persecution.org/2023/07/11/reconsidering-nigerias-removal-from-the-cpc-list/

There it is. This illogical support of a demagogue like Trump always boils down to some immature view of Christianity.
The rest of your post made little sense. I'm not arguing this with you. Your arguments have been no difference than the ones, Basilico and Bemeruca constantly make. Check out my past replies to them.

I studied Math in University. Please take out that "Learn Mathematics" from your signature. You're logic is terrible. You don't deserve to represent Math.

Pax.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tightpussy2024(f): 1:09am On Jul 21
Gerrard59:


Divorce rates are high almost everywhere in the West. The family system has been bastardised countless times compared to their peers in East Asia. Now, there even exists a law in California which promotes transgenderism amongst children, not even adolescents. Isn't that the party which says men can be women and vice-versa? That men can compete in women's sporting categories? So, I am not fazed by the gradual dysfunction in a growing number of Western countries.

Nevertheless, whether Republicans are hypocritical or not does not refute the claim Mr IbeOkehie in a third of black African homes are led by single mothers. Again, the stat globally shows that when there is a high rise in single-mother families, there is a corresponding rise in poverty. It is a straight path.
Can you tell me who is to bf blamed for the bastardized family unit? And how divorce rate leads to dysfunctional society. Thank you
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IbeOkehie: 1:26am On Jul 21
Gerrard59:


While I do agree that the GOP openly endorse racism

Sorry but this is not true.

You've been making comments on single parent homes. Republicans are very vocal about supporting two parent families. Because Blacks have normalized single parenthood, such Republican advocacy is interpreted as racist. This same conflation between race and certain characteristics is responsible for all the perception of Republicans as racist.

The Igbo proverb goes when a joke is made about dry and brittle bones, old people tend not to laugh.

Take a little time and think about it and you'll see.

Tightpussy2024:

Can you tell me who is to be blamed for the bastardized family unit? And how divorce rate leads to dysfunctional society. Thank you

Welfare. The escalation of welfare payments in the USA as part of the Great Society Programs to help the poor in general and Black Americans in particular. One of the conditions for receiving welfare was that there could be no husband or even man living in the home.

Women have learned to marry the government rather than men....the government has limitless money, most men have limited money.

Good Luck to USA.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 1:56am On Jul 21
bemeruca:


IbeOkehie Just know this guy has experience for every situation.
talk about the moon, he will tell you his dad was beating his mom in the dark side of the moon.

From guy who can't breathe without lying. Why don't you tell us more about your time spent in the US while posting pictures of Canada.
You should ask Basilico how a similar comment worked out for him.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 1:59am On Jul 21
IbeOkehie:


Sorry but this is not true.

You've been making comments on single parent homes. Republicans are very vocal about supporting two parent families. Because Blacks have normalized single parenthood, such Republican advocacy is interpreted as racist. This same conflation between race and certain characteristics is responsible for all the perception of Republicans as racist.

The Igbo proverb goes when a joke is made about dry and brittle bones, old people tend not to laugh.

Take a little time and think about it and you'll see.



Welfare. The escalation of welfare payments in the USA as part of the Great Society Programs to help the poor in general and Black Americans in particular. One of the conditions for receiving welfare was that there could be no husband or even man living in the home.

Women have learned to marry the government rather than men....the government has limitless money, most men have limited money.

Good Luck to USA.

Saying you don't believe the GOP openly promotes racism renders any argument you make on racism and politics in the US null and void.

You spoke earlier about emotional arguments. This seems to be one.
You want to support Republicans for whatever reason so you have found ways to rationalize their clear racism and paper over it.

Tell me, would you consider Hulk Hogan racist?
If no, why?
If yes, why was he allowed to give a speech at the RNC?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IbeOkehie: 2:29am On Jul 21
ijebosb:


Saying you don't believe the GOP openly promotes racism renders any argument you make on racism and politics in the US null and void.

You spoke earlier about emotional arguments. This seems to be one.
You want to support Republicans for whatever reason so you have found ways to rationalize their clear racism and paper over it.

Tell me, would you consider Hulk Hogan racist?
If no, why?
If yes, why was he allowed to give a speech at the RNC?

How about you first tell me why Joe Biden wrote and pushed the passage of the 1994 Crime Bill....if you even know what it is? That's the law responsible for the largest legal mass incarceration of Black Men since Jim Crow, based on very flimsy and targeted offenses. The law that Donald Trump has tried to ameliorate with the First Step Act.

Joe Biden that resisted school integration because as he said it would turn schools into racial jungles? Joe Biden that claims to have marched in Civil Rights protests when the evidence is he was never there?

cheesy cheesy cheesy

Remember, if you don't vote for Democrats, you ain't Black - Joe Biden.

Good Luck to USA.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tightpussy2024(f): 3:06am On Jul 21
IbeOkehie:


Sorry but this is not true.

You've been making comments on single parent homes. Republicans are very vocal about supporting two parent families. Because Blacks have normalized single parenthood, such Republican advocacy is interpreted as racist. This same conflation between race and certain characteristics is responsible for all the perception of Republicans as racist.

The Igbo proverb goes when a joke is made about dry and brittle bones, old people tend not to laugh.

Take a little time and think about it and you'll see.



Welfare. The escalation of welfare payments in the USA as part of the Great Society Programs to help the poor in general and Black Americans in particular. One of the conditions for receiving welfare was that there could be no husband or even man living in the home.

Women have learned to marry the government rather than men....the government has limitless money, most men have limited money.

Good Luck to USA.
So because of welfare a woman will marry, just to divorce?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ijebosb: 3:15am On Jul 21
IbeOkehie:


How about you first tell me why Joe Biden wrote and pushed the passage of the 1994 Crime Bill....if you even know what it is? That's the law responsible for the largest legal mass incarceration of Black Men since Jim Crow, based on very flimsy and targeted offenses. The law that Donald Trump has tried to ameliorate with the First Step Act.

Joe Biden that resisted school integration because as he said it would turn schools into racial jungles? Joe Biden that claims to have marched in Civil Rights protests when the evidence is he was never there?

cheesy cheesy cheesy



Good Luck to USA.


My neighbor to the right of me is white and in his late 60's. The neighbor in front of me is also white and in his late 60's. I'm the young guy on the street. Both grew up in racist Boston. We go to dinner as a group from time to time. Planning a dinner now for one of their retirements. I'm sure both were racist at some point in their lives and have pretty much acknowledged that during conversations. But even though at times I can hear the twinkle of racial bias in how they talk about things, they have acknowledged they are trying to do better. And I gave them grace try to judge people on who they are now, not who they were, despite the mistakes they might have made.

I use that same rationale with Biden. His life has spanned generations. He has made mistakes, but the man he is today is a different man who is trying to right those mistakes. Compare who he is now and what he does now, with Trump and the Republican party.

You mean the First Step Act Trump regrets signing because he didn't get the Felon vote he thought he'd get for passing it?
But now, Trump “is telling people he’s mad” at how criminal justice reform has panned out, according to a person close to the president. “He’s really mad that he did it. He’s saying that he’s furious at Jared because Jared is telling him he’s going to get all these votes of all these felons.”
...
“It would be difficult to say it’s a change of heart. I don’t think his heart was ever really in it,” said one White House official, adding that some Trump aides questioned why the president — who once declared himself “the law and order candidate” — endorsed the First Step Act in the first place.
White House staffers have remarked to one another on the irony that Trump wants to give the death penalty to criminals like drug smugglers, but also supported legislation that would greenlight the early release of some nonviolent drug offenders.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/24/trump-kushner-criminal-justice-snub-1507285

Martin Luther King said, "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice". Ask yourself if that can be said about Trump and the Republican Party.

And this post is par for the course with you. Some cheap deflection of barely passable talking points that anyone in the know would know is Bullshit. You are clearly used to talking to yourself in the mirror or people not familiar with US politics.

I answered your deflection. Now answer my original question. Or are you too scared to?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 6:15am On Jul 21
ijebosb:


My neighbor to the right of me is white and in his late 60's. The neighbor in front of me is also white and in his late 60's. I'm the young guy on the street. Both grew up in racist Boston. We go to dinner as a group from time to time. Planning a dinner now for one of their retirements. I'm sure both were racist at some point in their lives and have pretty much acknowledged that during conversations. But even though at times I can hear the twinkle of racial bias in how they talk about things, they have acknowledged they are trying to do better. And I gave them grace try to judge people on who they are now, not who they were, despite the mistakes they might have made.

I use that same rationale with Biden. His life has spanned generations. He has made mistakes, but the man he is today is a different man who is trying to right those mistakes. Compare who he is now and what he does now, with Trump and the Republican party.

You mean the First Step Act Trump regrets signing because he didn't get the Felon vote he thought he'd get for passing it?


Martin Luther King said, "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice". Ask yourself if that can be said about Trump and the Republican Party.

And this post is par for the course with you. Some cheap deflection of barely passable talking points that anyone in the know would know is Bullshit. You are clearly used to talking to yourself in the mirror or people not familiar with US politics.

I answered your deflection. Now answer my original question. Or are you too scared to?

aren't you a racists? if racists like your white nebos can get along with a black racist like you... then there is progress. enjoy your racists party and stop playing victim upandan

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 6:26am On Jul 21
LordAdam16:


Why are they not responding to the Houthis sinking their ships?
Is that not an act of war?

If Hamas shoots rockets and they respond by leveling a building.
Why are they not responding to Houthis making submarines out of their ships?



Do you have a finger on the pulse of citizens in rich Arab states?
Do you recall how the Arab Spring started?

The monarchies are always on edge.
To date, they've been able to keep their populace sated.
But if Houthis and co start targeting their infrastructure because they're carrying water for Israelis, and that starts messing with their heavily subsidized economies; it'll create an opening for opportunistic forces within their respective states to create chaos.
At that point, it'll be about survival not geopolitics.
The optics of killing their own citizens to suppress a revolt kickstarted by Israelis massacring Gazans will be a death knell for their regimes.

Before things devolve this badly, they'd have already dropped Israel like a hot potato in a sheer survivalist move.

This is the typical dangerous game played in the Middle East.
This is why the coalition cannot act in an unrestrained or impulsive manner.
Every move must be properly calibrated.

-Lord

the Houthis are not sinking Israeli ships. a ship owned by a Jewish man in another country does not mean it is an Israeli ship. No Israeli has been affected by the bombing of ships. No Americans have been killed by direct Houthi strikes as well. no israelis were killed until recently. Usually, Israel does not respond with force as long as no one has been killed.

again, Houthis are not making submarines out of Israeli ships. if they take a ship belonging to the Israeli government they will see serious retaliation.

Iran is at war with the Saudis, and Jordan is tired of wars and wants peace. the arab spring did not happen in Saudi Arabia, it only happened in Muslim countries where the people feel oppressed by their leaders. that event started in Tunisia.

i don't think Muslims will destroy their country in protest to force their government to go to war. they can protest against Israel but I doubt they can force their country to go to war... I have not seen a country protesting to go to war, it is always the opposite. if the government has the support of the people to go to war, then they will go to war without the need to burn their city down.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Gerrard59(m): 8:22am On Jul 21
ijebosb:


There it is. This illogical support of a demagogue like Trump always boils down to some immature view of Christianity.
The rest of your post made little sense. I'm not arguing this with you. Your arguments have been no difference than the ones, Basilico and Bemeruca constantly make. Check out my past replies to them.

I studied Math in University. Please take out that "Learn Mathematics" from your signature. You're logic is terrible. You don't deserve to represent Math.

Pax.

Typical of Nigerians who have mentally checked out of Nigeria, but are surprised that Trump has supporters in Nigeria. Go and tell the victims of continuous Islamist attacks in Northern Nigeria that they have an "immature view of Christianity".

The good thing is that as long as Trump is alive and kicking, he is gonna win the election as I don't see a good replacement from the Democrats and certainly not Harris or Michelle as one FT commentator opined.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Gerrard59(m): 8:54am On Jul 21
IbeOkehie:


Sorry but this is not true.

There have been racist-like comments by senior and erstwhile Republican members in the past. To Trump's disadvantage, the MSM keeps conflating his annoyance for illegal immigration to be against all immigrants.
You've been making comments on single parent homes. Republicans are very vocal about supporting two parent families. Because Blacks have normalized single parenthood, such Republican advocacy is interpreted as racist. This same conflation between race and certain characteristics is responsible for all the perception of Republicans as racist.

And there is the problem - in trying to solve it, the GOP will be seen as racist. In fact, from what I have read so far, calling out the skyrocketing number of single-parent homes by African American families makes them angry. They seem angry that people point out that it is not good for an ethnic group or society to have such unimaginable numbers. It surprises me how people are satisfied with anomalies. Additionally, an intriguing thing is how affirmative action was defended for admission into elite universities even when the major beneficiaries were wealthier African Americans, not the downtrodden, and black Africans who it wasn't originally meant for.

Welfare. The escalation of welfare payments in the USA as part of the Great Society Programs to help the poor in general and Black Americans in particular. One of the conditions for receiving welfare was that there could be no husband or even man living in the home

Women have learned to marry the government rather than men....the government has limitless money, most men have limited money.

Good Luck to USA.

https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/opinion/tn-dpt-1221-commentary1-20121220-story.html

Tightpussy2024:


So because of welfare a woman will marry, just to divorce?

Why not? Who does not like free money? Here is a quote about rampant welfarism by Lee Kuan Yew: "The principle is that you must work. We are not going to pay you for lying around,": https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31939304

For example, a single mother with two children who earns $15,000 per year will generally receive around $5,200 per year from the Food Stamp program. However, if she marries a father with the same earnings level, her food stamps would be cut to zero. A single mother receiving public housing benefits would receive a subsidy worth on average around $11,000 per year if she was not employed. But if she married a man earning $20,000 per year, these benefits would be cut nearly in half.
https://www.heritage.org/welfare/commentary/married-the-welfare-state
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Savagethe21st(m): 9:50am On Jul 21
Gerrard59:


Typical of Nigerians who have mentally checked out of Nigeria, but are surprised that Trump has supporters in Nigeria. Go and tell the victims of continuous Islamist attacks in Northern Nigeria that they have an "immature view of Christianity".

The good thing is that as long as Trump is alive and kicking, he is gonna win the election as I don't see a good replacement from the Democrats and certainly not Harris or Michelle as one FT commentator opined.
Don't you think if Hillary clinton replaces biden she has a strong chance of winning Trump
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IbeOkehie: 10:36am On Jul 21
ijebosb:


My neighbor to the right of me is white and in his late 60's. The neighbor in front of me is also white and in his late 60's. I'm the young guy on the street. Both grew up in racist Boston. We go to dinner as a group from time to time. Planning a dinner now for one of their retirements. I'm sure both were racist at some point in their lives and have pretty much acknowledged that during conversations. But even though at times I can hear the twinkle of racial bias in how they talk about things, they have acknowledged they are trying to do better. And I gave them grace try to judge people on who they are now, not who they were, despite the mistakes they might have made.

I use that same rationale with Biden. His life has spanned generations. He has made mistakes, but the man he is today is a different man who is trying to right those mistakes. Compare who he is now and what he does now, with Trump and the Republican party.

You mean the First Step Act Trump regrets signing because he didn't get the Felon vote he thought he'd get for passing it?


Martin Luther King said, "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice". Ask yourself if that can be said about Trump and the Republican Party.

And this post is par for the course with you. Some cheap deflection of barely passable talking points that anyone in the know would know is Bullshit. You are clearly used to talking to yourself in the mirror or people not familiar with US politics.

I answered your deflection. Now answer my original question. Or are you too scared to?

Boston is overwhelmingly a Democrat city so the racism is no surprise, 🙄 I know I've read somewhere it's one of the most segregated cities in the USA.

The answer to your question about Hulk Hogan is simple - every human being is racist, tribalist, sexist, religiously prejudiced, classist and whatever other discriminatory tendency we can think of.

That's all there is to it.

Gerrard59:

The good thing is that as long as Trump is alive and kicking, he is gonna win the election as I don't see a good replacement from the Democrats and certainly not Harris or Michelle as one FT commentator opined.

Na wa o...but Oga Gerrard there is surely no guarantee. Like I keep telling everyone this year is 2015 and they know it.

Tightpussy2024:

So because of welfare a woman will marry, just to divorce?

Hmmm, what a question. Marry to divorce... cheesy that's quaint, they don't even marry in the first place!

Giving birth as a single mother is one of the surest ways to get 18 years of free government money in the Western world. Marry the government, that's the ticket. Marrying and divorcing a high earning spouse is a secondary strategy.

If welfare is introduced to Nigeria you can be sure the rate of single motherhood will skyrocket, it will hit 95% within a generation.

Good Luck to USA.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tightpussy2024(f): 10:56am On Jul 21
Gerrard59:

There have been racist-like comments by senior and erstwhile Republican members in the past. To Trump's disadvantage, the MSM keeps conflating his annoyance for illegal immigration to be against all immigrants.


And there is the problem - in trying to solve it, the GOP will be seen as racist. In fact, from what I have read so far, calling out the skyrocketing number of single-parent homes by African American families makes them angry. They seem angry that people point out that it is not good for an ethnic group or society to have such unimaginable numbers. It surprises me how people are satisfied with anomalies. Additionally, an intriguing thing is how affirmative action was defended for admission into elite universities even when the major beneficiaries were wealthier African Americans, not the downtrodden, and black Africans who it wasn't originally meant for.



https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/opinion/tn-dpt-1221-commentary1-20121220-story.html



Why not? Who does not like free money? Here is a quote about rampant welfarism by Lee Kuan Yew: "The principle is that you must work. We are not going to pay you for lying around,": https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31939304


https://www.heritage.org/welfare/commentary/married-the-welfare-state
So a woman will chose single parenthood for $500 per month? Make it make sense.i am not talking of out of wedlock birth, I am talking of divorcees.
I hate disgusting propaganda postulations. Its intellectually lazy. Feminism, welfare program etc causes breakdown of family. Without addressing underlying issues. Obviously its because women file for most of the divorces, you see a sinister agenda or flimsy excuse for divorce. If it were vice versa, you will brainstorm and give concrete reasons.

For your anomalies, I am not surprised at your stance. I have known the average man criteria for judgment is never what is right or wrong but what is normal. Hence we have people like you that support adultery( in men alone off course), and other vicеs in men because it has been normal in the past and should continue to be.look at Kevin odanz for example. His cheating to him was normal, and onlyfans models is immoral to him. To must men, a 50 year old man having sex with their secretary at work is normal or sleeping with their housegirps,but they will outtightly condemn a 16 year old pregnant girl.

We have a popular nairalander in the romance section that keeps on preaching against immortality, hookup , baby mamas etc but has admitted to adultery and states he will continue to do it. Such a man will see LGBT as the worst offence, but his acts, well, normal

I will understand if your stance and GOP stance on SP is based on their concern for the dangers it poses, as you continue to highlight on NL. But if its just the abnormal part of it then...

Society passes several stages of development. Freedom and indepence from societal structures is increased in each stages . its human nature to normally evolve and liberate from time to time. Not the end of the world. Look at people identifying as athiests. How many of them chose that path in the past?
Most concerns of abnormalities by conservaties is more to play the moral card and accuse people they disagree with of moral decadence

How do conservatives support a man divorced 3 times and has been accused of rape and sexual harassment still have the liver to complain of anomalies or societal breakdown? Or look at redpillers complaining of how feminism is destroying family unit and society but support Andrew Tate that sent a message to a girl , "I enjoy raping you"
In most of your men eyes, he is more decent and morally upright than Sophia momodu.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IbeOkehie: 11:15am On Jul 21
Tightpussy2024:

So a woman will chose single parenthood for $500 per month? Make it make sense.i am not talking of out of wedlock birth, I am talking of divorcees.

I hate disgusting propaganda postulations. Its intellectually lazy. Feminism, welfare program etc causes breakdown of family. Without addressing underlying issues. Obviously its because women file for most of the divorces, you see a sinister agenda or flimsy excuse for divorce. If it were vice versa, you will brainstorm and give concrete reasons.

For your anomalies, I am not surprised at your stance. I have known the average man criteria for judgment is never what is right or wrong but what is normal. Hence we have people like you that support adultery( in men alone off course), and other vicеs in men because it has been normal in the past and should continue to be.look at Kevin odanz for example. His cheating to him was normal, and onlyfans models is immoral to him. To must men, a 50 year old man having sex with their secretary at work is normal or sleeping with their housegirps,but they will outtightly condemn a 16 year old pregnant girl.

We have a popular nairalander in the romance section that keeps on preaching against immortality, hookup , baby mamas etc but has admitted to adultery and states he will continue to do it. Such a man will see LGBT as the worst offence, but his acts, well, normal

I will understand if your stance and GOP stance on SP is based on their concern for the dangers it poses, as you continue to highlight on NL. But if its just the abnormal part of it then...

Society passes several stages of development. Freedom and indepence from societal structures is increased in each stages . its human nature to normally evolve and liberate from time to time. Not the end of the world. Look at people identifying as athiests. How many of them chose that path in the past?
Most concerns of abnormalities by conservaties is more to play the moral card and accuse people they disagree with of moral decadence

How do conservatives support a man divorced 3 times and has been accused of rape and sexual harassment still have the liver to complain of anomalies or societal breakdown? Or look at redpillers complaining of how feminism is destroying family unit and society but support Andrew Tate that sent a message to a girl , "I enjoy raping you"
In most of your men eyes, he is more decent and morally upright than Sophia momodu.

Ahhhh, so you do have a strong opinion. I was wondering how come you were asking obvious questions. And who is supporting adultery or rape here? I don't think anyone commenting here has evinced that. Take it easy please.

As to hypocrisy, the principle is simple -everyone should pay for their choices. There would be less controversy about most things if those who make the choices pay the associated costs out of their own pocket.

Those who seek liberation from societal structures should be willing to carry their own burden.

That's all there is to that.

Good Luck to USA.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tightpussy2024(f): 12:49pm On Jul 21
IbeOkehie:


Ahhhh, so you do have a strong opinion. I was wondering how come you were asking obvious questions. And who is supporting adultery or rape here? I don't think anyone commenting here has evinced that. Take it easy please.

As to hypocrisy, the principle is simple -everyone should pay for their choices. I know and I think most people know there would be less controversy about most things if those who make the choices pay the associated costs out of their own pocket.

Those who seek liberation from societal structures should be willing to carry their own burden.

That's all there is to that.

Good Luck to USA.
So in Nigeria, where there is no child support laws for SM and no welfare for them, why are they still heavily criticized? When they are the ones solely enduring the financial implications , societal scorn and judgement? How are they not paying?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tightpussy2024(f): 12:54pm On Jul 21
IbeOkehie:


Ahhhh, so you do have a strong opinion. I was wondering how come you were asking obvious questions. And who is supporting adultery or rape here? I don't think anyone commenting here has evinced that. Take it easy please.

As to hypocrisy, the principle is simple -everyone should pay for their choices. I know and I think most people know there would be less controversy about most things if those who make the choices pay the associated costs out of their own pocket.

Those who seek liberation from societal structures should be willing to carry their own burden.

That's all there is to that.

Good Luck to USA.
gerrard59 , emmaodet and some other monikers endorse adultery( in men off course)

Good luck should be for you and other disciples of bigotry , sophism and propaganda.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 1:04pm On Jul 21
Tightpussy2024:

So in Nigeria, where there is no child support laws for SM and no welfare for them, why are they still heavily criticized? When they are the ones solely enduring the financial implications , societal scorn and judgement? How are they not paying?

Your arguments seem to be coming off as feminist propaganda.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Gerrard59(m): 1:08pm On Jul 21
Savagethe21st:
Don't you think if Hillary clinton replaces biden she has a strong chance of winning Trump

No idea. But I strongly believe she has a stronger chance than Harris. I want Harris. The easier it is for Trump, the better. grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Gerrard59(m): 1:20pm On Jul 21
Tightpussy2024:

So a woman will chose single parenthood for $500 per month? Make it make sense. i am not talking of out of wedlock birth, I am talking of divorcees.
The single parenting I mentioned is based on wedlock. It is the worst form as divorces are widely practiced across cultures and countries. Wedlock isn't as rampant.

For your anomalies, I am not surprised at your stance. I have known the average man criteria for judgment is never what is right or wrong but what is normal. Hence we have people like you that support adultery( in men alone off course), and other vicеs in men because it has been normal in the past and should continue to be.look at Kevin odanz for example. His cheating to him was normal, and onlyfans models is immoral to him. To must men, a 50 year old man having sex with their secretary at work is normal or sleeping with their housegirps,but they will outtightly condemn a 16 year old pregnant girl.

I don't support men to sleep with their staff as it is unethical or with their domestic servants. I have mentioned that as an immoral act from one of the PSquare acts.

We have a popular nairalander in the romance section that keeps on preaching against immortality, hookup , baby mamas etc but has admitted to adultery and states he will continue to do it. Such a man will see LGBT as the worst offence, but his acts, well, normal

I wonder who this person is. But here it is: most humans are hypocrites. Some curtail theirs better than others.

I will understand if your stance and GOP stance on SP is based on their concern for the dangers it poses, as you continue to highlight on NL. But if its just the abnormal part of it then...

My stance is for societal good. A wanton practice of single parenting is not good for any society or group of people.

Society passes several stages of development. Freedom and indepence from societal structures is increased in each stages . its human nature to normally evolve and liberate from time to time. Not the end of the world. Look at people identifying as athiests. How many of them chose that path in the past?

While that is true, advocating or providing leniency to certain ideologies in the name of evolution even when they pose great dangers to the greater society is not advisable. All ideologies are not equal or good. Some are more harmful to the society than others.

How do conservatives support a man divorced 3 times and has been accused of rape and sexual harassment still have the liver to complain of anomalies or societal breakdown?

This is an election - he is the best man to win it for the party. In the same way, the other party chose a candidate who mistakes A for B or APC chose Tinubu rather than Osinbajo. The goal is to win and win very convincingly.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IbeOkehie: 1:47pm On Jul 21
Tightpussy2024:

So in Nigeria, where there is no child support laws for SM and no welfare for them, why are they still heavily criticized? When they are the ones solely enduring the financial implications , societal scorn and judgement? How are they not paying?

I would like some data on the rate of single motherhood in Nigeria.

Off hand I think the occurrence in Nigeria is less than in USA and UK. Again the measured rates in the UK tell us something about Black African attitudes to life.

Also the consequences are more than just financial. In the USA single motherhood is associated with higher rates of criminality and illegal drug use among all races. I'm willing to bet the same in Nigeria.

By the way I sincerely have zero problem with single parenthood. It's a losing fight anyway, it can't be won, but it shouldn't be encouraged by government. Life is too short to be unhappy, those that want to be single parents, good for them.

Gerrard59:


No idea. But I strongly believe she has a stronger chance than Harris. I want Harris. The easier it is for Trump, the better. grin

WROOONGGG!!!

Trump is polling at the highest rates with Black Americans than any Republican since 1960...or something like that.

Put Harris on the ticket and we will revert to the norm.

I think it will be more difficult for Trump to beat Harris, I really do. All in all I don't think Republicans should assume victory. The ruling class resentment against Donald Trump is deep. Anything can happen, the assassination attempt makes that clear.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tightpussy2024(f): 2:05pm On Jul 21
Gerrard59:

The single parenting I mentioned is based on wedlock. It is the worst form as divorces are widely practiced across cultures and countries. Wedlock isn't as rampant.



I don't support men to sleep with their staff as it is unethical or with their domestic servants. I have mentioned that as an immoral act from one of the PSquare acts.



I wonder who this person is. But here it is: most humans are hypocrites. Some curtail theirs better than others.



My stance is for societal good. A wanton practice of single parenting is not good for any society or group of people.



While that is true, advocating or providing leniency to certain ideologies in the name of evolution even when they pose great dangers to the greater society is not advisable. All ideologies are not equal or good. Some are more harmful to the society than others.



This is an election - he is the best man to win it for the party. In the same way, the other party chose a candidate who mistakes A for B or APC chose Tinubu rather than Osinbajo. The goal is to win and win very convincingly.
There was a reason I said , "if the outcry against sp is based on the negative effects like poor economic and academic performance and crime rate, then it makes sense. But you and I know that the majority of conservative outcry is coming from a place of moral superiority and imposed marital structure". Even if Imade grows to become ngozi oknoji iweala, no tongue will stop wagging against
Sophia. Even though both parents are co parenting decently, its still heavily criticised. I am in for making a Law to curb it, if it proves negative in the long run. But not just because it is abnormal and by fire by fire family structure must be maintained.

So you have moved from supporting adultery to start supporting adultery to based on who. It still doesn't make no difference. Own your choices with your chest as an adultery-endorser.

Still make it make sense as to why a woman will marry just to get divorce.

For trump being the best candidate to win from republicans, its okay. It makes sense. The cash cow for the party. But the issue here lies in the fact of conservatives and people like you defending him as a messiah of the USA and a symbol of moral upliftment .

I cant even warp my head around the fact that you, an adultery-endorser doesn't see how it negatively affects society but sees single parenthood as a great threat and should not be shown leniency.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IbeOkehie: 2:15pm On Jul 21
Tightpussy2024:

Still make it make sense as to why a woman will marry just to get divorce

I think the emphasis on this discussion is out-of-wedlock births.

Still here's your answer...asset division, alimony and child support payments are strong motives for both MEN and women who seek divorce, in addition to abuse and general unhappiness.

That's why it's wise for everyone to get iron clad prenuptial agreements.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by FarmlandInc: 2:18pm On Jul 21
Gerrard59:


No idea. But I strongly believe she has a stronger chance than Harris. I want Harris. The easier it is for Trump, the better. grin

Not the Clinton dynasty with all their atrocities, but obviously better than Trump on the moral compass
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by FarmlandInc: 2:39pm On Jul 21
Tightpussy2024:

There was a reason I said , "if the outcry against sp is based on the negative effects like poor economic and academic performance and crime rate, then it makes sense. But you and I know that the majority of conservative outcry is coming from a place of moral superiority and imposed marital structure". Even if Imade grows to become ngozi oknoji iweala, no tongue will stop wagging against
Sophia. Even though both parents are co parenting decently, its still heavily criticised. I am in for making a Law to curb it, if it proves negative in the long run. But not just because it is abnormal and by fire by fire family structure must be maintained.

So you have moved from supporting adultery to start supporting adultery to based on who. It still doesn't make no difference. Own your choices with your chest as an adultery-endorser.

Still make it make sense as to why a woman will marry just to get divorce.

For trump being the best candidate to win from republicans, its okay. It makes sense. The cash cow for the party. But the issue here lies in the fact of conservatives and people like you defending him as a messiah of the USA and a symbol of moral upliftment .

I cant even warp my head around the fact that you, an adultery-endorser doesn't see how it negatively affects society but sees single parenthood as a great threat
and should not be shown leniency.

For the Republican that prides itself as a party of family values and against crime to openly have a cultish affliation with a thrice-divorcee, female anatomy grabber, convicted felon, and tax dogger.
The damage which Trump has done to the party will take years to repair after the next election cycle.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Gerrard59(m): 3:13pm On Jul 21
IbeOkehie:


I would like some data on the rate of single motherhood in Nigeria.

Off hand I think the occurrence in Nigeria is less than in USA and UK. Again the measured rates in the UK tell us something about Black African attitudes to life

Thanks for bringing that up - it is one area of research I am interested in from a Nigerian perspective. So, here you are from Kwara state: https://ijfacs.org/index.php/ijfacs/article/view/75/56
Separation and widowed are the highest reasons for single parenting. I believe being widowed is going to be worse in the middle belt areas as a result of the persistent and consistent butchering of Christians, especially males.

Nevertheless, Nigeria has a low prevalence of single parenting compared to the US and UK. In the US, almost a quarter of children live with one parent or no other. This is a country that is not fighting a war o. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/12/12/u-s-children-more-likely-than-children-in-other-countries-to-live-with-just-one-parent/
The prevalence in Nigeria is one of the lowest globally. China, unsurprisingly, has it at 3%.

Also the consequences are more than just financial. In the USA single motherhood is associated with higher rates of criminality and illegal drug use among all races. I'm willing to bet the same in Nigeria. By the way I sincerely have zero problem with single parenthood. It's a losing fight anyway, it can't be won, but it shouldn't be encouraged by government. Life is too short to be unhappy, those that want to be single parents, good for them.


A global phenomenon across all cultures, races and countries.

WROOONGGG!!!

Trump is polling at the highest rates with Black Americans than any Republican since 1960...or something like that.

Interesting. So, actual native black people would likely vote for Trump? What do our Ikoyi and Lekki black voters in the US have to say about this? grin Does the average Nigerian-American know more about racism than the average African American? shocked

I think it will be more difficult for Trump to beat Harris, I really do. All in all I don't think Republicans should assume victory. The ruling class resentment against Donald Trump is deep. Anything can happen, the assassination attempt makes that clear.

While no chances should be taken, do you really think a wide and diverse section of American voters are ready for a female president who is not White? shocked

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