Anna7:
Justcool
I appreciate your detailed explanation above and thank you very much for the same. You have very rightly pointed out that use of word periodic in place of premature is wrong. However for your information this was only a case of wrong translation which has since been corrected by the publisher of the Grail Message in the 2011 Edition.
In fact whatever be the case, we most of the Crossbearers will remain ever grateful for the Final Edition, because most of us have come to the 1931 Edition only after remaining with the Final edition for quite some time.
Best regards,

demomap:
M_nwankwo

Good day to you
am an adherent to the grail message also
and i will like to get associated to you all in this
thread.

Thanks
and stay blessed!

mnwankwo:

Hi demomap. Good day to you too. Welcome to the thread. Stay blessed.

JonesK:
Hi there adherents. I am relattively new to the Grail message, I got introduced to it after reading some of the topics a fellow nairalander whom I respect present some posers concerning it for you, Justcool. So I started reading it and up till now, I have to say that it is absolutely wonderful. I particularly like it because everything I have read till now agrees with what I felt to be true, not what I thought I knew, and this is a great feeling. It gives that you that assurance that there is actually a Great Creator if due to the world around you, you were initially having doubts. It is a great book.

Now to my question, I am in the second volume, in the lecture tagged 'Man and his freewill', and I don't have anything within me to answer this question even though I can feel an answer. Please do not feel that my question is banal or particularly nitty-gritty, which it may seem. I am just curious about it, the way I'm curious about everything I do not understand

I read 'Prayer' and understood to a relative extent that particular lecture. But I want to know more. How do I pray? When? How frequently? Where? Because I want to talk to my Creator and I would like to go about this in the right way.

Thank you in advance. Your responses will be invaluable.

Peace.

jom28gy:
What is grail message all about?

JonesK:


Please I have an inquiry. I read this:

For the purpose of obtaining grace the immutable Laws of God lie in Creation, and it is only through strict adherence to them that grace can be received!

And I want to know how to adhere or submit to these immutable laws of creation. Any explanation you give me will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Speer:
Happy New Year everyone.
and specifically, thanks so very much Justcool towards contributing to my growth and insight.

Speer:
Hello Justcool,
Thanks for your much-valued replies.
Had an inquiry on the treatment of animals. The Abrahamic faiths Judaism and Islam both have stipulations on how to dispatch animals (for food). As a side note, Christianity does not. I know of one Asian faith where it stipulates to kill animals by a sudden and massive blow to the head so that death is instantaneous. As all these rules are actually meant to prevent cruelty to the animal and make its death more humane, had wanted to ask what are the ramifications of doing the opposite wrt the Creation Laws?
Animals do not produce 'forms" in Creation so what kind of negative energies are released in Creation by our ill-treatment of them individually or collectively?
Merci

Speer:
Animals do not produce 'forms" in Creation so what kind of negative energies are released in Creation by our ill-treatment of them individually or collectively?

justcool:


You are right that the traditions and stipulations on killing animals are aimed to prevent cruelty and excessive suffering for the animal soul. Indeed if done correctly, as ordained by the creator's will, animals will not suffer at all while being killed; the pain of separation of body and the soul will be very little or not totally absent.

However, overtime these stipulations became empty traditions and no longer correctly done. Always, traditions soon became religious ordinances and outward forms which are followed without understanding the purpose for which they were given. Soon, they simply became demands from God which man must not seek to understand, and which he must just follow otherwise he will incur God’s wrath and God will throw him into hell.
On the contrary, all commandments and traditions resulting from them must be fully understood; the purpose for which they are given fully grasped. It is not wrong, but actually the duty of man to ask himself, “why does God want me to do this?” And where he cannot find an answer that harmonizes with his intuition(conscience) and sense of Justice, he must stay away from such practices.
God does not give us commandments that we must fulfill so as not to incur His wrath. In reality God has no commandments! He wishes that we freely use our free-will! He wishes that man must follow his own way(man’s own way), by utilizing his free-will; otherwise He(God) would not have given us free-will. And only what a man does freely from his free-will, without being forced or coerced, brings him benefit; only such will be decisive for his ascent or fall, for his destruction or eternal living. All else are a waste of his time, the consequence of which will react more heavily on the one that forces or coerces him to act in such a manner.
What we call commandments of God are well meant advices that God gives us out of love. Advices which if followed bring benefit and ultimately everlasting life to the spirit; and which if neglected cause harms, injury, delay or even death of the spirit. When parents say, “Do not play with fire!” No adult, who knows the consequences of playing with fire, would consider such kind words a commandment from parents to children; rather he will consider it a well meant advice. Hence, based on his knowledge of the consequences of playing with fire, out of his free-will he will not play with fire. Hence when he is fulfilling the “commandment” he is actually following his own free-will, his own will. But a child who does not know the consequences of playing with fire, will consider advice from its parents to be a commandment. It’s a burdensome decree to him for he thinks fire will make a beautiful toy to play with. As long as he carries this fascination with playing with fire, he can only obey a commandment and not make use of his free will! Such obedience does not bring him spiritual benefit for it is only an outward form, inwardly he still lust for playing with fire. This is how we humans approach and obey the so called commandments of God, but it is wrong.
It will be better for such a child to question and investigate, only this will mature him to see this advice in the right perspective. Perhaps he may need to carry out the desire of playing with fire, this desire that is burning within him. And when he does so, he will be burnt! And immediately he will recognize the danger of playing with fire! And hence forth he will, out of his own free-will always choose not to play with fire again. Only at this point has he developed the right view of the commandment which at this point he will no longer consider a burdensome commandment but a well meant advice. An advice which fully unites with his own will; hence when he follows this advice, he follows his own will.
Commandments are binding and they can only issue from a dictator who disrespects man’s free-will, never from God! All that comes from God can only be freeing to the spirit of man and never binding!

Let us take an example. In Islam, the Muslim is given the “commandment” to pray and invoke the name of God(Allah) before killing an animal for food. And this killing is usually done by cutting that animals throat with a very sharp knife and letting is bleed. Some forms of killing, such as strangulation which doesn’t involve bleeding, are forbidden.
One who knows the laws of creation knows that the so called “commandment” above is indeed an advice of priceless value. If done with understanding and the right intuition only blessings will ensure for both the animal and man killing the animal. The prayer prepares the animal killer and fills him with love for God. One who loves God can also only love His creatures too. Hence the man is reminded that the animal about to be killed is a creature of God as much as he(the man) is! This realization or this intuitive perception is enough to stifle all brutality, and hence even when he cuts he is filled with love for the creator and the animal. Already this intuitive perception takes on form in the beyond, forming a path through which love and strength flows to both the man and the animal soul about to be killed, greatly strengthening it.
Cutting with a very sharp knife is very important because it ensures that the animal does not suffer too much due to the pain of the cut. And cutting the throat ensures, also, that the animal bleeds a lot faster; major veins and arteries travel along the neck, close to the throat, which cannot be cut without cutting these veins and arties. Letting the animal bleed out is extremely important too, one who knows the mystery and the function of blood will not overlook this important procedure. It is the radiation of the blood that binds the soul to the physical body! Hence as long as the blood remains intact, the soul still suffers and feels all that the body feels even after the body has died. But when the animal is allowed to bleed out, soon that connection between the soul and the physical body is broken; as long as the physical body is devoid of blood, the soul feels nothing anymore from it. This is also the same with humans; and this is why the soul cannot escape feeling the pains of organ harvest or organ extraction for transplanting. In organ transplanting, the removal of the organ has to be done with the blood is still fresh and in the body, hence such a procedure will be as painful as harvesting or cutting out an organ from a living man. The pain must be unbearable!
Today, Muslim who does not know the laws of creation and hence why these practices where instituted may outwardly perform the rites while killing an animal, but his rites will fail bring the desired benefits because they are only outward forms which does not carry life(intuitive perception). He doesn’t realize that his prayer should radiate love and strength to the creature about to be killed. He thinks he just has to recite his prayer in order for Allah not to throw him into hell. Hence he may even be filled with hatred and ingratitude towards the animal as he prays. Hence the poor creature about to be slaughtered will receive no strength and the help of compose to help it in its transition. When he invokes that name of Allah before cutting, he gives no humble thankful intuition or thought to the Creator who in His love has given humans the grace of feeding from the animal body. He may cut the throat without letting the animal bleed out enough in order for the animal to remain heavy and hence cost more. Yet afterwards, he will give himself airs, believing that he has fulfilled the commandment of Allah!
The procedure of allowing the animal to bleed is found almost in all cultures. Even in Igbo culture! I have, as a child, witness them kill goats and cows. The neck of the animal is usually placed over a bucket and cut, then the animal is held till it bleeds out.
When this procedure is skipped as it is done today in many mechanized and industrial farms, it happens that after death, for days the animal is still closely connected to the physical body. And through this connection, it feels the pain of whatever the physical body is being subjected to. Hence it feels the pains of the body being cut to pieces which usually follows after death.
An animal that is strangled and left, for example, it bound to suffer a lot and be delayed. Its soul will remain attached to the body until the blood congeals and starts to decay, only then can it be freed from the decomposing body. This is unnecessary suffering to the animal soul which needs to be freed immediately from it dead physical cloak to continue its journey in the beyond.
This also explains why humans are able to hear and experience all the goings-on around their newly discarded physical body for up to a few days after death. At the most favorable natural circumstance is condition can last only up to seven days. Hence cultures where people talk to dead bodies before buying them, are not misguided. The dead can actually hear and perceive all that is going on around the physical body while they are attached to the body; indeed feel pains arising from the body if the body is maltreated. The seeing and hearing is actually done through the astral body which remains intact and attached to the discarded physical body provided the blood is still enough nondecomposed blood in the body. If you carefully and intuitively absorb the lecture ‘Departed this life’ you will notice after death the departed soul was still very conscious of the physical vicinity of it discarded physical body. The soul described there even witnessed its funeral and then lost consciousness. Only afterwards did he wake up in a totally different environment, one corresponding to its ethereal weight. Hence after the funeral and burial, while the soul slept or was unconscious, the astral body decomposed along with the blood, freeing the soul which then had to float to the region of the beyond corresponding to its weight. We have dealt with the process of death earlier in this thread, so there is no need remaining on it. Earlier I didn’t mention the role of the blood for saying too much at once may bring in confusion. Now suffice for me to say that the radiation of the blood is what binds the astral body to the physical body. This radiation is a bridge uniquely designed for the astral body. Hence the time a growing fetus forms its blood marks the time the astral body is attached to it this usually happens within the first month of pregnancy; until the fetus develops enough blood whose radiation can then closely bind the astral body to it as in incarnation, this usually happens at middle of pregnancy. Hence one can safely say that the incarnation of the soul commences the circulation of blood and the exit of it(as in death) commences the end of blood circulation. By the same token, the time the blood totally dries up or almost totally bleeds out, or decays marks the time the soul loses all connection to the physical body.

Now to the second part of your question.



The evil forms of fate that return to one as a consequence of his cruelty towards others are not created by those individuals who he was cruel to, but rather by himself. Hence, the recipient of an unjust action does not have to be able to produce forms for you to receive the reciprocal effect of the injustice you did to him.
Hence a man who maltreats animals can only do so out of brutality, wickedness or lack of considering for the plight of his neighbor. For animals are man’s neighbors too, and hence when are told “Love thy neighbor as thy self,” this includes animals too. This brutality that stems from him will bring in due season a reciprocal action; the measure of the reaction he will receive will depend on how deeply brutality has taken root in him; or how deeply it is felt by the spirit. Hence this brutality is a work of the spirit, like all that results from spiritual volition, it takes on form and is pulled or attracted to the power center of brutality in the beyond, a section of hell from where brutality is accumulated, there it will be anchored. And from there, through the connecting link to the man, reinforces his brutality and through this homogeneous path, this man will receive blows of brutality in due season. Should he pass on without severing this connection to hell, then through this connection he will be drawn to hell.

The practices like the Islamic one described above, if done with the right intuition, will prevent the butcher or animal killer from ever become brutal or wicked. Hence it is like a glove that a doctor or nurse wears during their work to prevent them from contracting diseases. Just as that which wells up inside a man presses towards physical activity, that physical circumstance where a man often finds himself may make an impression on his spirit. Hence an non-lustful man who works as a life guard in a beach where women walk around naked, after so many instances of seeing naked women, such a man may being to lust. By the same a token, killing requires certain coldness, roughness, or brutality that are alien to the human spirit. Therefore, a professional animal butcher may become brutal, cold and rough after many years of killing animals. But if he intuitively follows the stipulations given, like the Islamic one we discussed above, then brutality will never find its way to his spirit. Because the rituals will serve to permeate him with love, love that will protect both him and the animal; so when he cuts, he cuts out of love.
The same is applicable to a man who prays before eating! Praying before eating arouses the right intuitive perception towards the act of eating; man realizes that eating is a privilege or grace from the Almighty! Such a man will never become a glutton because this intuition permeates and takes over him, and will not allow the material joy of eating to take over and become the principle reason for eating, as such would be gluttony and a sin.
On the other hand, kindness towards an animal has a tremendous good effect and rewards both the kind man and the animal. Just as the rays from the activity of the Primordial spiritual permeate the spiritual and spirit germs, awakening and strengthening them. The rays resulting from our activities should also affect animals in an awakening, strengthening and pacifying way. Human spirits are created through the help of the Primordial spiritual beings; and by the same token, animals should be created through the help of the spiritual. Let’s take an example: A man out of love adopts a dog. He feeds, nourishes and takes care of this dog in a loving manner, i.e. taking first into consideration that which is beneficial for the animal and not only that which pleases it. The love radiating from this man to the animal caresses its soul into an awakening. Over time the animal awakens to love the man too; hence rays of love streaming from the animal’s soul are directed to the man. And through this connection, through this nearness to the spirit of man, the dog receives far more light and energy that it would have received if this connection was never established. This nearness to the spiritual works in a strengthening way to the soul of the animal. The animal may be strengthened to the extent that when it lays aside its physical body, its soul will be able to remain personal for eternity. Usually animal’s souls remain personal only for a while after laying aside their physical bodies; they usually after a while lose their personality and get reabsorbed into a group soul. And this connection does not have to be severed after the physical death of the animals. It happens that part of the reciprocal effect of the good activity of the departed animal will find its way to the door of the human spirit who helped in creation or development of this animal. This animal in the paradise of animals, yet still connected by way of radiation to this human spirit on earth, are some of his works that will always exercise a pulling effect on him, making him less likely to descend into otter darkness. It can happen sometimes, that such animal may stay in the ethereal realm and await the passing of their beloved master. On passing, the man will meet the animal in the ethereal realm which will help him and make his stay in the beyond easier and more joyous. The connection between the two can only be severed when the man becomes wicked and evil and hence will have to descend to hell after passing. The laws of creation would not connect a pure and noble animal to a wicked human being or one in hell.

Also, animals produce forms too, only that they are incapable of producing living forms of intuitive volition because these require the involvement of spiritual intuition. Forms emanate from them, but at best we can liken these forms to phantoms that emanate from the human brain. The elementals can clearly ready and understand that which emanates from the animal soul, be it joy or agony. Hence when an animal is in agony, the elementals can read the rays of pain emanating from the animal and if the animal is being made to suffer unnecessarily the elementals will weave threads of faith of karma and attach it to the human being causing the animal to suffer.
These emanations are what make them able to communicate, even with humans, in the beyond where earthly words are not used. Even on earth, you will notice that an animal close to you can perceive your thoughts/feelings(Emanations) even without you voicing them. A clairvoyant person, can even while on earth communicate with animals by picking up their emanations.

You can see clearly from the above explanation, the consequence of an individual being cruel to animals. The collective consequence of the vice on mankind is the unnatural distance and hostility between animals and man. A lot of animals today avoid men and are excessively aggressive to man due to the failure of man. However, creation clearly shows the need, benefits and importance of humans and animals working closely, harmoniously and in cooperation on earth. Such working will shower blessings to both humans and animals.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Terry1:
I was sealed to the Light today. Thanks be to God Almighty.
I want to appreciate everyone on this thread because this is where I got the encouragement to examine The Grail Message.
Thanks to Justcool, M-Nwankwo and all.

latrust:
Hi justcool, pls i need you to clarify something for me. Its from the Grail message and the topic is " The worship of God", it says "The true worship of God is by obeying the laws of God". Now my question is which law is it talking about, is it the three fundamental law of nature or the Ten commandments? . Thanks, pls im waiting for your reply.

latrust:
Hi justcool, pls i need you to clarify something for me. Its from the Grail message and the topic is " The worship of God", it says "The true worship of God is by obeying the laws of God". Now my question is which law is it talking about, is it the three fundamental law of nature or the Ten commandments? . Thanks, pls im waiting for your reply.

bsjay:

The ten commandments are like splittings from the three basic Laws as u said. I would also agree with a brother who likened the ten commandments to be ADVICE of a loving Father for His children. They are support and help to keep us on the right road. But the right understanding of the operation of the three basic Laws and strict adherence means everything. This is my opinion, those who know better than me will help further. Cheers

Terry1:
I was sealed to the Light today. Thanks be to God Almighty.
I want to appreciate everyone on this thread because this is where I got the encouragement to examine The Grail Message.
Thanks to Justcool, M-Nwankwo and all.

justcool:






@ bsjay
Thanks for your answer which is in accord with the Truth.

@latrust
In addition to the reply given by bsjay, I will give further clarifications.

The three fundamental laws of creation explains to us how creation functions or operates; while the ten commandments of God tells us how to live in order not to be entangled, deterred, hurt, delayed, or destroyed by the three fundamental laws of creation of creation. If we live in compliance with the Ten Commandments, then the laws of creation will ennoble, free, and uplift us spiritually.

Imagine creation like an electronic equipment, lets take TV as an example. The three fundamental laws of creation are like the scientific principle through which the TV was built and through which it operates i.e. the circuit design of the TV; while the Ten Commandments are the manual which tells you how to use or operate the TV. An engineer may need only the circuit design of the TV to know how to operate it safely, but a layman needs the manual. In the manual it may say, RULE NO 1: Never pour water into the TV, clean with dry rags but never we rags. This is an advice that the operator of the TV must follow in order not to get hurt, hurt others, or spoil the TV; it may appear as a commandment to him which he must follow to please the manual writer. But the engineer knows that this Rule stems from the fact that the TV uses 240 volts (electricity) and from the principle or law that water conducts electricity. Hence he knows that one pouring water into such an appliance, will not only destroy it, but stands a great danger of getting electrocuted. Another rule in the manual may say, "Never unscrew or open the back of the TV." Once again this rule is to prevent the layman from coming into contact with electricity, which is very fatal.


In the above analogy, the circuit design can be likened to the three fundamental laws of creation. It shows the principles, the intrinsic abilities of all that exists in creation, the power that sustains creation and the unavoidable or immutable operations of creation. While the rules or instructions in the operative manual of the TV can be likened to the Ten Commandments. They advise us on how to live our lives in order to succeed and not destroyed by the immutable operations of creation.

The Ten Commandments were given to the Jews of that time who had been slaves all their lives, and hence not learned. That was all they could understand at that time; it would have been futile trying to teach them the fundamental laws of creation because they would not have understood it; understanding creation involves inflexible and objective weighing and examining the world around them. Having being slaves all their lives, they knew not how to question or think for themselves objectively; they only knew how to follow rules and commandments, as their Egyptian masters had drilled this into them. As a slave, they had to always obey the commandment of their masters even at the expense of their own conscience; and over time they become accustomed to disregarding their own conscience. Hence, given their situation, they could benefit more from commandments; the best way to approach them was through giving them rules and commandments. Masters think for themselves, slaves obey rules; and the Jews of that time were slaves. Actually, the majority of mankind at that time were, generally speaking, were not yet ready to understand the fundamentals laws of creation.
The Ten Commandments were meant to guide them towards achieving that maturity to investigate and think for themselves, to investigate why they must follow the commandments. They should have, after being set free from Egypt, as time went by, gradually cast off all shackles of slavery, and regained their humanness and become free independent human beings. A free human being has a God-given urge to question and investigate and arrive at his own perception of the Truth. They should have put the Ten Commandments into scrutiny and through this they would have discovered the three fundamental laws of creation themselves.
If one puts the Ten Commandments to scrutiny, the first thing he may discover is that each of these commandments are always in accord with his conscience! Then he will go further to discover that each time he acts against his conscience, hence disobey the commandment—for example, each time he lies—he feels guilty afterwards. And this “feeling” of guilt always involves certain heaviness, sometimes allowing him to sink into despair, be it only in his feeling. At the same time he notices that each time he follows his conscience and does something pious, like saying the Truth at all cost, afterwards he feels a certain sense of lightness which always accompanies great inner happiness. Now he knows that lying, acting against his conscience, or breaking one of the Ten commandments envelops him or “his mind” with heaviness leaving despondent; while honesty, compliance with his conscience, or obedience to the commandment “Thou shalt not lie,” feels with a an uncanny feeling of lightness, nobility, raising him towards bliss. Has this man not discovered the law of spiritual gravitation? Evil weighs down while good uplifts! This is law of spiritual gravity! And in the impression that either lying or speaking the Truth makes on his mind, conscience, or soul, has he not observed the law of action and reaction! Has he not realized that everything he does, be they good or evil, has a corresponding reaction on him that registers in his mind, either raising him high, or allowing him to sink? This is the law of reciprocal action.
This is universal to all mankind; everybody has a prick of conscience when he does evil and a feeling of piousness or lightness when he does good! Although some people have learned to endure so many pricks of conscience that it appears normal to them. They have learned to live in darkness.

But unfortunately majority of mankind never regained their free-will or freedom to question. The religionists came along to continue to enslave mankind by telling people never to question the commandments. And always to follow even those commandments they cannot unite with their conscience. Had most people put the commandments to scrutiny like I described above, then the realization that the Ten Commandments are all in accord with their conscience would have been their greatest guard against deception. If one realizes that a commandment from God cannot go against his(the individual’s) conscience or the voice of his spirit, then he can easily filter out all the lies and deceptions added to the commandments and scriptures. He will never agree that God will reward him with seventy virgins for killing his fellow man. Such a person will not believe that God will kill His innocent son as payment for the sins of guilty mankind. Each man’s conscience rebels against such teachings, but through religious indoctrination people are coerced to disregard their conscience, and never to question the commandments and the scriptures.

Hence, from all that has been said on this issue, to obey the laws of creation or to live in accord with them is synonymous to obeying the Ten Commandments. One, who fully understands the laws of creation, will voluntarily live in such a way as not to be hampered by them, he will live in accord with the Ten Commandments. This also means living in accord with one’s own conscience.

Thanks and remain blessed

bossmini84:
Going by the grail message then God is the most unjust God. How u punish someone without letting the person know his crime.

justcool:


Congratulations! Always remember that with sealing it is not a matter of safe conduct, a sealed one can still fail.

Also being sealed does not automatically make you a member of any organization, movement or religion. The individual, whether sealed or not, remains responsible before God for all his actions.

Sealing endows you with strength to serve the Light(God) with your whole being; as long as you strive towards the Light, you will find strength to overcome all obstacles. However if your volition strays from striving towards God, the strength will depart from you and your connection to the Grail(the portal of God's power in Creation) will be lost.

Make use of what has been given to you.

Your destiny lies in your hands.

Remain blessed

justcool:
@Anna 7

Also, if you can cite the edition where the correction has been made I will appreciate it. Or you can show that the mistake was not in the original German verse, that will help. Because, to the best of my knowledge, even the German version carry this error.

The latest English translation(2011) from the Grail movement reads:

"The afore-mentioned sporadic disintegration of all matter at a certain definite point in its cycle is a consequence of the fact that the human spirit seed-grains, which have the capacity to make a free decision, are permitted to develop in the Worlds of Matter."
( In the Light of Truth. The Grail Message.)
(ALEXANDER BERNHARDT PUBLISHING CO. VOMPERBERG. TYROL)
(Copyright 2011 by Siegfried Bernhardt, Vomperberg, Tyrol)

And I mentain that the above addition is contradictory to the rest of the chapter in which the disintegration was described as an automatic working based on the intrinsic nature of matter.

Please provide proff that this addition was a translation error.


Thanks