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Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 9:59am On Nov 07, 2015 |
richyfunky: I understand your sentiment, but in many cases, there is just nothing you can do. Imagine an accident victim rushed to a hospital, he is bleeding profusely. There are no gloves, no sutures, no emergency response materials, with 2 nurses on duty and 20 other patients needing attention. Believe me, there are situations were there is absolutely nothing you can do other than to refer the patient, when you are just not equiped to handle such. If you attempt to do anything, you would only be wasting time that the dying patient does not have. 1 Like |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:01am On Nov 07, 2015 |
chrisbaba1:Revive the person with what? The poster is telling you that in Nigeria the patient has to buy what is needed to revive him, and if the nurse or doctor happens to have a stash somewhere to help patients and later be reimbursed, the same people will be screaming to high heavens that they are selling to patients. Honestly, do you think resuscitation is by using bare hands, what about the drugs, defibrillator and other equipment which oftentimes isn't available. Will the workers perform magic? Mind you CPR only goes far as to keep your heart pumping blood but the aforementioned is the real deal. Hope you get it. Their hands are tied without the necessary equipment, and hospital bureaucracy, not that they don't know what to do or are lazy. 3 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by suzyberry(f): 10:04am On Nov 07, 2015 |
josite:You may need to read on triaging in health care before you judge, then maybe you will understand better. Talk is cheap. Information can be gotten easily nowadays, so educate yourself . it is better to know than yo speak out of ignorance. Respect 5 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:05am On Nov 07, 2015 |
mentorandfriend: How did you talk to them when they arrived seeing their anxiety and worry? Look, you guys have to be trained in managing emergencies in the way to talk to your patients and their relatives. Your profession needs people who can show compassion in the face of distress. It is a profession for people who genuinely care about others. I know the Nigerian government is filled with uncompassionate people but our health workers must stand out. There are many things I want to say. My main point here is even if you're without COMPASSION, learn to show it. 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:10am On Nov 07, 2015 |
omogin:I didn't see your response before replying him. Surely, there is a crass lack of understanding of how the health system works especially in Nigeria. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by otokx(m): 10:10am On Nov 07, 2015 |
stereo: You cannot show compassion when not adequately eqquiped or motivated. That time using to lecture the people on the why it is no going to be possible will be best used attending to a patient already on admission. |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:12am On Nov 07, 2015 |
sobal:Am sorry broh but your view is myopic. What's your definition of 'adequate equipments? No Nigerian hospital is relatively adequately equipped today, be it personnel or otherwise. Do we then close down all the hospitals in Nigeria so we all resort to herbalists? Would you say same of the Nigeria army or police or fire service? Let's just close down the country cos no sector of the country is 'adequately equipped '. Even our president should resign cos it's obvious he is not ready for the presidency. The solution is to be pragmatic. Equip the hospitals and see if we wouldn't offer quality care. Another person talks about negligence by health workers, while this isn't entirely false. I can tell you it's largely down to a failed system. viz : under staffed, over worked, low morale, poor equipments etc Health professionals aren't trained to be magicians, neither are we encouraged to do 'heroic' stuffs. Thats for the movies pls. 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:14am On Nov 07, 2015 |
mebad: A nurse has no reason to be rude or unkind to a patient. It is inexcusable. But consider this a nurse needs 2 qualities, finesse and patience. But when one nurse has 12 patients to attend to, and one decides to be uncooperative, it robs you of your patience, you simply move to the next patient, you dont av all day. But if you have only 4 patients, u av all d tym to plead, persuade and appease a patient into cooperation. I'm glad you noticed that it is more common in state hospitals. That is because their staffing is horrible. The teaching hospitals are not top class, but at least the nurses there can afford some patience. Those nurses are a product of their environment. 6 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by D33VA(f): 10:17am On Nov 07, 2015 |
horlus: I beg you in the name of GOD to sue. It is not about anger or getting a pound of flesh, but often the only way to prevent such from happening to somebody else is make them pay, thus put them on their guard. If u don't do this u can be rest assured they would be careless with other lives. Rip to ur gorgeous baby 4 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by shoboy9: 10:18am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Jackeeh: Are u 4real? How many hospitals do u know that have more than that? Really the problem is that we have a lot of bad mean people in our society, and they are not being put away as they should. There are many Nigerians who are admitted in hospital and after two weeks of treatment will run away without paying a kobo! I don't know of anyone who goes to a chemist without money, but many cases go to hospital without a kobo and come back online to say they are victims of insensitive hospital staff! The true madness is that there are idiots out there who support this view. How long does it take to get to an atm machine? Why not get medical insurance? The options are many, but Nigerians prefer free treatment. As I said earlier, there are many thieves in our society and the society has a desperate need to deal with this illness. I once heard of a family who brought an old man to hospital for treatment. When the man started showing signs of responding after the stroke, the relations stopped funding treatment. Thinking they were out of money I asked the matron what the problem was and discovered that the family had shared the old man's belongings thinking he would be dead! I think going to hospital without money is a poor excuse for murder. It should be stopped! 4 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:18am On Nov 07, 2015 |
helpee:Application for the post of a future neonatal nurse 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by ameenahz(f): 10:21am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Recently, i nursed a patient who had incomplete abortion. She had been bleeding away for days, was in obvious distress and had to have the remaining products of conception evacuated. I work in the theatre and the hospital policy says that all patients must come with the receipt of payment or a waiver before a finger can be laid on them. But because of her condition, i took the patient in, after explaining to the husband that he has to sort out payment before evening on the following day which was a Sunday as the clerk will ask me for receipt on Monday. He thanked me profusely and promised to pay the following day. The story changed after the situation was calmer. Husband and wife insisted that they didn't pay that much the last time she had the same problem so they are not paying this time. In fact, the wife implied that i must have increased her bill on purpose to make some money off them, as if patients pay into my account. They ended up absconding without paying. It took Gods intervention through some of my senior colleagues for me not to pay her bills and face a panel. Now that i have learnt my lesson the hard way, does anyone here think i will do such next time? Nigerians are quick to fault health care providers, especially nurses, without considering the situation we work under and the policies of our work places. They come with their stereotypes in mind, ready to attack you if you don't heed to their demands, no matter how unreasonable. Nurses are this, doctors are that..... That's all. No 'thank you', even when you have gone out of your way to ensure that all ends well. It is just so pathetic that no matter what you say, op, no one will understand. Just keep doing the good work, bro. With God lies the ultimate recompense. 5 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:22am On Nov 07, 2015 |
zed7: I appreciate ur contribution. Pls analyse the scenario and suggest what you think i should have done 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Chinwem(f): 10:24am On Nov 07, 2015 |
helpee: It's not so much about the facilities but the appalling attitude of staff and extreme lack of empathy to patients We are talking jaundice and you re mentioning ECMO ??!? Even in the UK how many ECMO centers are there? Simple things like taking a good history , keep baby under blue light/phototherapy , blood exchange As for the bolded, jaundice from what .......that's for the doctors and nurses to find out and tell us. You can study to the highest level and provide all the multi million equipment But if your attitude stinks from a mile away......you re in the wrong vocation. Medicine is not about bragging rights..... It's about human life 4 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Orikinla(m): 10:26am On Nov 07, 2015 |
delishpot:. Thank you. Why should any clinic or hospital without required equipment be allowed to operate? These horrible and terrible things happen, because of a corrupt and incompetent government where incompetent intellectual re-tarded politicians are appointed as Ministers and DGs. The Nigerian Medical Council should close any clinic or hospital without required medical equipment, so that they will not deceive ignorant people to mistake them for real clinics and hospitals. The Nigerian Medical Council or Association is to blame for these clinics and hospitals operating without equipment in Nigeria, because they are owned or run by their members. 5 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:29am On Nov 07, 2015 |
free2blast: If it were a family member, i would use everything i have to, and bear the cost. But if i do that for 1 patient every day, that is #1900 for emergency kit. Multiply by 20 days. And subtract from my salary of #62000. How much ll i take home every month? 4 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:31am On Nov 07, 2015 |
otokx:You bad Imagine telling that to a sick or injured patients with the relatives especially the area boys-looking types surrounding you, questioning what the heck is this guy saying instead of helping.....hahaha . Na I'd rather hightail it outta there than stay back and be manhandled. 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by ameenahz(f): 10:34am On Nov 07, 2015 |
josite: In emergency care, there is something called triage. You have to prioritize patient care according to the severity of the problem. You can not leave a woman in the second stage of labour alone to attend to a new patient who is conscious and not in serious distress 3 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:35am On Nov 07, 2015 |
claremont: Personal sacrifices?? Do you have any idea the number of "i dont have money" situation we meet everyday? At least 80% of patients in rural areas will come without money. If i make 'personal sacrifice' for each one, i wud go home wit nothing at d end of d month!. Should i touch a stranger's blood and body fluid without gloves? What if i'm infected with hiv, hepatitis, tb, lassa fever? What u r asking me to do is simply to risk my life everyday. Will u do it? 6 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by IamforGod: 10:37am On Nov 07, 2015 |
dicefrost: Nusre pls are u saying ur salary is more important than a life? I believe u dnt av passion for ur job! U dnt know what it means to be dead and gone for ever? Yh that's right U AV NEVER BEEN DEAD! So u telling me a card and admission what ever is more important than a man's life? In situations like this, rather than have him die, i'll make him stable first, and tell them if they don't get the money he might die u'll see how they'll run and get the money! But as a nurse ur first priority is saving a life! U SIGNED UP FOR IT! I pray u will never be in an emergency situation and av people pushing u up and down. 5 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Amhappy(f): 10:40am On Nov 07, 2015 |
My mum is a retired nurse and two of my sisters are also healthcare professionals so I kind of understand the Op view. However good nurses and doctors in Nigeria should continue to do their best to saves lives. However this does not rule out that their are evil ones out their who outrightly have no regard for human life. There is a case at a private hospital in Enugu right now where a trained doctor removed oxygen mask from a patient to save another patient he deemed more important instead of referring out the new patient since equipment was not adequate. And the first patient was left to die. I blamed the govt for all these. If hospitals and professional are not well regulated and necessary funding not provided things may not change. Also awareness should be created for mega rich Nigerians and companies to invest in the Heath sector. A lot of funds is thrown into entertainment and maybe sports these are good but are not as important as basic things like health. |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by adrusa: 10:40am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Everyday I see patients in the hospital waving some papers begging for money, I'm like, "Come, I struggled to treat you in spite of the severe frustrations I face in the hospital due to lack of equipments and consumables, and you still want me to pay for your drugs?" 1 Like |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:41am On Nov 07, 2015 |
okay. |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by 9jatatafo(m): 10:41am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Our hospitals are death traps. Had terrible experience |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by DeRay98(m): 10:42am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Most of the problems in our health care are due to administrative incompetence and poor planning. All Health ministers are Medical doctors, all health commissioners are medical doctors, all state and federal health management boards or committees are heavily dominated by medical doctors. All Chief medical directors of all hospitals are Medical doctors. Therefore, decision-making in health care systems and institutions are dominated by medical doctors and since they are unquestionable and unanswerable to any other, they are to blame. Nigerian Medical Association has become more of a political organization than an apex health professionals body, they claim to be fighting for better health care but all they do bully paramedical professionals, cover up mismanagement by their colleagues, blame non-medical professionals and allocate budgetary provisions to themselves, use appropriated funds to buy out-dated,substandard or refurbished equipment even when budget was made for standard state of the art equipment. i have a friend who sells medical equipment, if you get to hear what he experiences in dealing with govts hospital and health ministry mgt. No medical equipment purchase request can be approved or purchased without the admin or hospital management MDs (if not the commissioner) signing the approval. Budget for medical equipment are made with prices for the latest or modern equipment with are usually very expensive (often 3-4x the actual cost, to provide for some %tage to some top officials). Once the budget is approved, the equipment eventually purchased is usually of less quality and specifications approved for purchase the rest of the funds is pocketed and covered up by the beneficiaries. After a couple of years, often less than the warranty period, the equipment becomes faulty as expected, are left unserviced for a while and finally auctioned and bought by same Doctors for their own private clinics often at ridiculously lower rate than market price. Any health care system is comprised of a team of all health care (Medical, Para-medical, non-medical) personnel. An experienced medical doctor is traditionally the head or captain of the team and as such carry the team along for effectiveness. All health care is not about Medical doctors alone, all members of the team have inputs that helps the MD to effectively manage the health of a pat. But in Nigeria, these other health care team members are looked down on or disrespected by medical doctors. sometimes, MDs wants people to believe that these other professions are irrelevant and they can be done without. Nobody else advises govts. on health care policies and expenditure other than medical doctors, if the policies are failing, facilities are under staffed, under equipped etc, blame for their failure to do the needful. the frequents strikes they embark of for better working conditions are often presented to the public as demands for equipment and facility, in fact, they are usually for their salaries, allowances and remunerations. The consultants no longer have time to supervise their residents, they run around using govt time to attend private patients in several private hospitals or their private hospitals/clinics. The worst culprits are the administrative doctors, event young medical doctors are victims too. Until Nigerians begin to make hospitals answer questions on questionable deaths of relatives, the situation will remain. The poor justice system in Nigeria also means that people cannot wait for the length of time it takes to get justice, the cover-up of questionable deaths and injuries by other doctors to avoid justice, the believe that doctors are demi-gods by many uninformed people also does not help matters. In the civilised countries, the fear of malpractice suits by aggrieved patients or relatives of patients put the doctors on the alert. I expect fireworks from MDs and many uninformed doctors-worshipping wailers here 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Chinwem(f): 10:45am On Nov 07, 2015 |
josite: Gbam. For every life that is lost all you get are excuses. If you work in a place that is unsafe /under equipped/understaffed and you don't raise it with management or strike for better conditions (Yes strike for better conditions and NOT just for your pay) You are putting the patients lives in danger and your license in jeopardy If patients do not reject bad healthcare and DEMAND to be treated as human beings then the status quo remains Patients need to name and shame whoever is not up to scratch Nurses, your patients are under your care Your job is to protect them and not make things worse I appreciate some of you do a good job I see and hear of many who do not The solution is not necessarily PLAB/IELTS or whatever professional exam you write to go abroad Because if you travel with that shitty attitude and lack of concern for the patient they will roast you, trust me You will appear on daily mail front page Hospitals that cannot stabilize an accident victim so that he/she can be transferred to a better centre should be renamed clinics Stop deceiving yourselves and wasting people's time For me it's the attitude , government is not going to come and change attitudes, they can invest in the health sector , assign particular hospitals and equip them to handle accident cases, dedicate a fund for specifically for that but if the attitude is awful, people will die needless and painful deaths. 4 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by DeRay98(m): 10:46am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Orikinla: Nigerian Medical Council should close any clinic or hospital without required medical equipment, so that they will not deceive ignorant people to mistake them for real clinics and hospitals. The Nigerian Medical Council or Association is to blame for these clinics and hospitals operating without equipment in Nigeria, because they are owned or run by their members. 3 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:50am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Chinwem:You called exchange blood transfusion simple thing and photo therapy even.?? In Nigeria, the attitude of the health workers is directly proportional to the environment the person grew up in, trained, work and also the equipment and renumeration/incentives accrued from the job. The person you quoted isn't bragging but stating a fact. 1 Like |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:52am On Nov 07, 2015 |
josite: Exactly! Thats how you judge us. Did it occur to you that i had a woman in labour with breech presentation? Should i abandon them? 3 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Chinwem(f): 10:55am On Nov 07, 2015 |
LadyFiona: I am also stating a fact What does ECMO and level 3 NICU have to do with it Provide good service with the things that are more readily available By the way there is no excuse for a poor attitude Once you sign that job offer and show up at work in that white coat or dress You better deliver Telling me about attitude being proportional to upbringing and equipment available ........smh Too many people in the wrong profession 1 Like |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by stanvesco(m): 10:57am On Nov 07, 2015 |
richyfunky:u r neva 2 old 2 bkum a health worker? |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 10:57am On Nov 07, 2015 |
stag: Nobody works 24hrs. We shud have had 4 drivers, doing shifts and working weekends. But the government employed only one! Shall we make him work 24hrs? 1 Like |
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