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Re: Onne Sea Port by Living4christ(m): 10:23pm On Jan 19, 2016
Super1Star:



Shows us the FG's policy that states all goods must be cleared in Lagos.

I do not understand why conducting a little research on the issue is your problem. What made the beer parlour opinion of the OP to be the correct FG's policy?

our cases are clearly of the blind leading the blind.


u can never see it on internet, ask any importer or importer's buy u know .
Re: Onne Sea Port by Super1Star: 10:39pm On Jan 19, 2016
Living4christ:


u can never see it on internet, ask any importer or importer's buy u know .

Here comes another fabricated lies.

There is no policy anywhere. SW axis is where the market is because of the purchasing power of the people in that axis. Hence, importers will route their goods through Lagos.

Simple as ABC.

Go to your town hall meetings and demand that all your igbo brothers should be importing only through Onne and listen to their response.

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Re: Onne Sea Port by RealityShot: 11:36am On Jan 20, 2016
sweetgala:


Ask all the SE traders who have moved from their base in the east to Lagos, with the high rent and cost of commerce why it is so attractive.

Ask the foreign missions and multinationals who moved their HQ to Lagos in the light of the insecurity in the ND and SE amdd North due to kidnapping and brigandry. Even with the craze NURTW have tbey have never been known to kidnap a expatriate for ransom.

Ask the numerous governors who have run Lagos from Maruwa to Ambode who know the secret to attracting internal and external investors is creating a good environment, I was shocked when my cousin who is doing rather very well in Abuja told me during weekends Abuja is empty cause everyone goes to Lagos to enjoy the fruits of their labour.

Ask the citizenry who have created an accommodating enviromr for all who come to seek the Nigerian dream of fame and fortune so long they come with good intentions.

Lagos is the centre of Nigeria, and while PH and Enugu can be fun they do not have the woaw factor Lagos has, be jealous very jealous.

I'm not even a lagosian I hate the city, it is too rowdy for me, too busy, too congested, but I appreciate the reality of things.

Stop blaming the Yoruba for taking what they had and making good gains over time, this your tribalistic excuse is getting long in the tooth. Blame the citizenry of that state for not assaulting the ills in their society, God forbid the day the son born into a good house with ancestry decenfs into the vagabond levels MEND did, destroying the pipelines and by so doing the rivers and farms their people feed off. Go find out what the Yoruba call such children

Yes great speech! Applaudusé!

Now.. Sir,

Do you think that this "insecurity" in the ss would have started
If the youths were employed?

Open any job listing and see that 90% of advertised jobs are in Lagos. Why?

Oil companies operate in ss, flunt their huge cash everywhere,
Employ the barest minimum and pay them peanuts compared to the work they do.

Both the employed and unemployed in ss are not happy (mostly).

So in your opinion,
Is this "insecurity" you keep pointing out an inbuilt culture in ss people?

Am sure u know the solution already ... Let's hear yours
Re: Onne Sea Port by Living4christ(m): 11:41am On Jan 20, 2016
Super1Star:


Here comes another fabricated lies.

There is no policy anywhere. SW axis is where the market is because of the purchasing power of the people in that axis. Hence, importers will route their goods through Lagos.

Simple as ABC.

Go to your town hall meetings and demand that all your igbo brothers should be importing only through Onne and listen to their response.

what made them pitched there tent there?
Re: Onne Sea Port by RealityShot: 11:42am On Jan 20, 2016
Super1Star:


Here comes another fabricated lies.

There is no policy anywhere. SW axis is where the market is because of the purchasing power of the people in that axis. Hence, importers will route their goods through Lagos.

Simple as ABC.

Go to your town hall meetings and demand that all your igbo brothers should be importing only through Onne and listen to their response.

"purchasing power of the people (sw) "
Seriously?

Sir.. What do the sw people do to earn this purchasing power you speak of?

Please explain how that makes a man who wants to sell his goods
prefer To pass the goods through Lagos and pay trucks N50,000 and more
to deliver it after custom duties.
Re: Onne Sea Port by Nobody: 11:51am On Jan 20, 2016
Macelliot7:

prove the bolded..

How many container do you see moving from Lagos port by road to the east? Don't get me wrong I want east to get a sea port but it is not economical to the importers. Some still clear their goods through onne port but most of them that do that import machines to set up factories and not consumables. Dangote use onne port to move his cement to the east.

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Re: Onne Sea Port by RealityShot: 11:56am On Jan 20, 2016
raumdeuter:
Because the market is closer to Lagos.

Most people would want to dock close to wher3 the market is

Lagos Plus the Southwest have a population of over 40M why would you want to dock close to the SE where they dont have the buying population there

If you are importing say generators, you dock in Onne, one docks in Lagos, Assuming its the same cost of landing. you would have to spend extra to transport yours to the Southwest where most of the buyers reside while Mr B sends less

Hmm.. SIR

What do you think made 40milion people (according to you) congregate at lagos + sw area?

I think it's business, which mostly sterns from the seaport.
Now imagine we make another seaport functional
and another boisterous economy like that in lagos + sw
Is created..
Don't you think Nigeria will be a better place?

Do you know how much customs pays as demurrage daily?
As at 2009, it was in newspapers that it stood at 1bilion naira!
Re: Onne Sea Port by RealityShot: 12:00pm On Jan 20, 2016
soulpeppersoup:


How many container do you see moving from Lagos port by road to the east? Don't get me wrong I want east to get a sea port but it is not economical to the importers. Some still clear their goods through onne port but most of them that do that import machines to set up factories and not consumables. Dangote use onne port to move his cement to the east.

Do you know that to move a container from lagos to PH
Costs not less than 100k?

Importers don't move the containers..
The empty them and use 911 trucks which are cheaper.

You will soon tell us indomie uses the onne seaport too :-|
Re: Onne Sea Port by Nobody: 12:01pm On Jan 20, 2016
RealityShot:


Really you think a full ship from China discharges all containers at lagos port?
Y then do you think we pay them dumorage?

A full ship don't discharge all container at Lagos port but it discharge much of its container there. The rest of the containers are sent to other west African country. Now how will you like to rigmarole from onne port to other west African country.
This is business not sentiment, if you make a small mistake you may be out of business forever.
Re: Onne Sea Port by Nobody: 12:03pm On Jan 20, 2016
RealityShot:


So u support this 1 port idea? Wow!

No I don't but until east develop their market well enough it may remain like that for a long time.
Re: Onne Sea Port by RealityShot: 12:04pm On Jan 20, 2016
GeniusDavid:


Well I stay around the Area, and to my best of knowledge, The Port deals with 90% Oil vessels and containers due to the Large amount of Oil companies in the area, its not been a major route for those dealing with Goods and other commodities.

Great!
So where do all the cars, building materials, electronics, food stuffs, etc (all imported) come from?

You know how many houses get built in that region right? :-)
Re: Onne Sea Port by Nobody: 12:06pm On Jan 20, 2016
RealityShot:


Do you know that to move a container from lagos to PH
Costs not less than 100k?

Importers don't move the containers..
The empty them and use 911 trucks which are cheaper.

You will soon tell us indomie uses the onne seaport too :-|

Bro you don't understand. I have people that have used onne port and they say its more costly.

Wait do you think onne port is not in use or you can't use it if you want to as an importer
Re: Onne Sea Port by RealityShot: 12:08pm On Jan 20, 2016
soulpeppersoup:


A full ship don't discharge all container at Lagos port but it discharge much of its container there. The rest of the containers are sent to other west African country. Now how will you like to rigmarole from onne port to other west African country.
This is business not sentiment, if you make a small mistake you may be out of business forever.

So it's better for the government to allow them to berth at lagos
and increase the cost of living in the country by
charging us demurrage daily, weekly even for months?

Do you know that the minimum demurrage days they collect is 4days?
Google the rates

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Re: Onne Sea Port by cocoduck: 12:10pm On Jan 20, 2016
Slikbae:
This is the only reasonable thing GEj could have done for us the NigerDeltans. This would have brought about rapid development to our region.

Amaechi is another son of ours, and is very perfect for the job. let's see if he can do what GEJ didn't do.
you will wait to Jesus arrives

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Re: Onne Sea Port by RealityShot: 12:11pm On Jan 20, 2016
soulpeppersoup:


Bro you don't understand. I have people that have used onne port and they say its more costly.

Wait do you think onne port is not in use or you can't use it if you want to as an importer

That's because it is not fully functional..

Very few ships berth there
And leaving it to be used by mainly oil firms means
they charge cutthroat rates knowing oil firms got the money.

Government can change that can so not?
Re: Onne Sea Port by RealityShot: 12:15pm On Jan 20, 2016
soulpeppersoup:


No I don't but until east develop their market well enough it may remain like that for a long time.

Sorry to ask.. Have you been to the east or south south recently?

Some say they don't have purchasing power,
but they can buy the same soap sold at
50% higher rate than its price in lagos and Not complain..

Lol..
Some people Sha..
Re: Onne Sea Port by RealityShot: 12:17pm On Jan 20, 2016
cocoduck:
you will wait to Jesus arrives
LOL!

Election debts have to be cleared first, right? ;-)
Re: Onne Sea Port by RealityShot: 12:37pm On Jan 20, 2016
CuteTj:

Sweetgala, I must confess, you are just too intelligent. You correctly highligted the reasons so as to school the uninformed ones.

@ realityshot, you guys should clear your heads of this mentality that hausa /fulani and yorubas are your problems and therefore your enemies. Your region is not the only one sidelined in Nigeria. Infact, all regions and the masses are the ones that have been sidelined.

I can relate with the security reason highlighted above. let me tell you a personal experience. My company would have loved to commence ferry business that would run through the whole of SS but for the militancy, kidnapping and pirate activities there, they moved the business to Benin and Ghana which will commence in the second quarter of this year.

@chiefobdk, if I hear say kidnapping no dey SS again. Also Read the paragraph above

Are you to blame? is the SS region to blame? is my company to blame. The answer is NO. It's just unfortunate the way things have turned out in Nigeria

May God heal Nigeria

At what point in my post was ethnic differences implied or "sideline"

It's a matter of efficiency...

If the youths cause problems because of unemployment..
Government should create jobs with out much PROPAGANDA.

TBH.. I only liked your post because you added God..
But seriously.. God gave us choice
And HE gave the children of Isreal a king as they wanted.

So we should not wait for miracle.
Nigerians have the power to heal the economy.
Re: Onne Sea Port by Tequilah: 12:38pm On Jan 20, 2016
Living4christ:
If the sw pass through have of wat SS pass through u guys will pick arms, have u visited the place that feed u? when u visit the villages that gives naija oil, and see the underdevelopment u will understand.

Guy, pls swerve and throw your fake stories in the lagoon
. sad I am not from SW, and what SS villages have passed through does not give you the right to justify illegality and armed brigandage! All the community development levies your people have been collecting in the SS for the past few years, what have they done with it? All the money the militants have made from their illegal activities and kidnapping, what have they done with it? Have they used it to repair their communities, or improve their lot? Lawlessness does not breed prosperity! It only impoverishes the people.

Don't quote me anymore, if you are only going to justify the stupid armed banditry perpetrated by your people. angry

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Re: Onne Sea Port by Living4christ(m): 12:41pm On Jan 20, 2016
Tequilah:


Guy, pls swerve and throw your fake stories in the lagoon
. sad I am not from SW, and what SS villages have passed through does not give you the right to justify illegality and armed brigandage! All the community development levies your people have been collecting in the SS for the past few years, what have they done with it? All the money the militants have made from their illegal activities and kidnapping, what have they done with it? Have they used it to repair their communities, or improve their lot? Lawlessness does not breed prosperity! It only impoverishes the people.

Don't quote me anymore, if you are only going to justify the stupid armed banditry perpetrated by your people. angry

Go and listen to Mr. common sense to get sense.

When injustice become a law, opposition becomes a duty.
Re: Onne Sea Port by IGBOPRINCE: 12:43pm On Jan 20, 2016
sweetgala:


It is not politics and the government beyond creating a favourable environment, by making clearing charges and conditions more attractive in onne can not force private owned vessels to dock at oone if Lagos remains favourable.

There are several reasons and I'll expand on them

1- Reliability and history

For many years this vessels which trade and call at the Nigerian port have docked in Lagos, the captain understand the area from a seafaring perspective.They've always gone to Lagos and have a planned route which may involve visiting multiple ports along West Africa. Ships are not planes they take weeks to cross the ocean. There is no reaon a ship can not dock at onne and then process to Lagos

2 - Safety

PH is the Capital of kidnapping in Nigeria, it is also in proximity to the MEND and ND vandalism and piracy. Why would a ship ladden with goods worth millions of dollars go near such a port, some of these foreign owned and registered ships are not even insured to go near onne.

It is up to the PH SG and governors forum of that GP zone to resolve the security issues for their own benefit. You can't blame a bunch of Yoruba people in Lagos for the actions of PH and ND citiEnrry and it's effect.

3 - Demand

Lagos remains the centre of commerce and trade on Nigeria, and it is used and accessed by all Nigerians, some 50% of imported consumer goods on those ships belong to people from SE, these same people can bring the goods through onne but they'd rather land their goods safely in Lagos ths risk it being hijacked in PH.

Lagos is more central and accessible to.other parts of Nigeria than PH , if the second Niger bridge is built this may equalise things a little.

Govenemt can not force the concept of demand to change, it can only alter it's supply of said demand to encourage individuals to use alternatives

There are other reasons but those are simple immediate ones
you have spoken well but the eastern enclaves as a whole is more closer to north central state,(middle belt) and also north east, lagos and western enclaves.
Come to onitsha and see men from kaduna,jos,benue,ondo and kano state, coming to onitsha main market to buy their goods.
I know lagos too well, from lagos to abuja/benue state is too far. Nothing more central in lagos bro. Lagos is at the extreme end of nigeria.
Pls lagos is not a central state at all. I believe you said so cos you re not a traveller like me.
Only igbos can tell you how nigeria look like. We re just like a sand in every part of nigeria.

I guess the facility involves in lagos seaports draw customers to them. We need such facility in onne seaport.
I believe only time will tell.

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Re: Onne Sea Port by Tequilah: 12:47pm On Jan 20, 2016
Living4christ:
Go and listen to Mr. common sense to get sense.

When injustice become a law, opposition becomes a duty.

Guy, you are the one that lacks common sense and it reeks from your words. Continue believing the lies, that you have told yourself. So armed robbery, kidnapping, violence and brigandage is what you call 'opposition', in your own view? Those who use legal and non-violent means to put their demands across, are the stupid ones in your own eyes, not so?

All the anarchy, attacks, kidnapping and violence that your people and the militants have unleashed in the SS, how has it improved your communities or changed your villages for the better?? shocked shocked

If you cannot answer that question directly, please take a leap into the Atlantic and don't bother to resurface.

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Re: Onne Sea Port by Nobody: 12:50pm On Jan 20, 2016
RealityShot:


Sorry to ask.. Have you been to the east or south south recently?

Some say they don't have purchasing power,
but they can buy the same soap sold at
50% higher rate than its price in lagos and Not complain..

Lol..
Some people Sha..

Bros you don't understand the eastern market. More than 50% of goods used in the east are produced in the east unlike in Lagos where more that 90% are imported.

Anything you import today in Aba or ontisha that moves market. Umuoma will do the copy for you. There is no market for export in the east.

Don't think the goods imported on Lagos are used in Lagos alone. Many see Lagos a business conference zone where they can come from anywhere to go and buy. East don't have such market as yet.

If we must develop our market, we must focus more on what we know how to do best - manufacturing.
Re: Onne Sea Port by RealityShot: 1:15pm On Jan 20, 2016
soulpeppersoup:


Bros you don't understand the eastern market. More than 50% of goods used in the east are produced in the east unlike in Lagos where more that 90% are imported.

Anything you import today in Aba or ontisha that moves market. Umuoma will do the copy for you. There is no market for export in the east.

Don't think the goods imported on Lagos are used in Lagos alone. Many see Lagos a business conference zone where they can come from anywhere to go and buy. East don't have such market as yet.

If we must develop our market, we must focus more on what we know how to do best - manufacturing.

Hmm.. Manufacturing with what?
You still need some imports to manufacture.

Being airplanes sources parts from all across the world to make 1 plain.
And that remains so for all manufacturers.

...... .
Hmm.. And all these big cars that cause hold up in
Port Harcourt, OWERRI, onitsha, etc are made here bah?

All the motorcycles and tricycles too?

All the electronics too bah?
Carpets, etc too bah?

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Re: Onne Sea Port by Tequilah: 1:30pm On Jan 20, 2016
RealityShot:
Hmm.. Manufacturing with what?
You still need some imports to manufacture.

Being airplanes sources parts from all across the world to make 1 plain.
And that remains so for all manufacturers.

...... .
Hmm.. And all these big cars that cause hold up in
Port Harcourt, OWERRI, onitsha, etc are made here bah?

All the motorcycles and tricycles too?

All the electronics too bah?
Carpets, etc too bah?

I no wan laugh today, but.... cheesy grin cool

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Re: Onne Sea Port by raumdeuter: 2:29pm On Jan 20, 2016
RealityShot:


Hmm.. SIR

What do you think made 40milion people (according to you) congregate at lagos + sw area?

I think it's business, which mostly sterns from the seaport.
Now imagine we make another seaport functional
and another boisterous economy like that in lagos + sw
Is created..
Don't you think Nigeria will be a better place?

Do you know how much customs pays as demurrage daily?
As at 2009, it was in newspapers that it stood at 1bilion naira!

Check the population of the south west even pre independence and compare to other part of the country.

The area has always been heavily populated

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Re: Onne Sea Port by Living4christ(m): 4:02pm On Jan 20, 2016
Tequilah:


Guy, you are the one that lacks common sense and it reeks from your words. Continue believing the lies, that you have told yourself. So armed robbery, kidnapping, violence and brigandage is what you call 'opposition', in your own view? Those who use legal and non-violent means to put their demands across, are the stupid ones in your own eyes, not so?

All the anarchy, attacks, kidnapping and violence that your people and the militants have unleashed in the SS, how has it improved your communities or changed your villages for the better?? shocked shocked

If you cannot answer that question directly, please take a leap into the Atlantic and don't bother to resurface.

I guess u are abroad or in ur ac room with ur laptop and juice, but will advice you to put ur leg inside there shoe to understand.
Re: Onne Sea Port by Tequilah: 4:05pm On Jan 20, 2016
Living4christ:
I guess u are abroad or in ur ac room with ur laptop and juice, but will advice you to put ur leg inside there shoe to understand.
Wrong! I am right here in Naija. Answer my last question: All the anarchy, attacks, kidnapping and violence that your people and the militants have unleashed in the SS, how has it improved your communities or changed your villages for the better?? shocked shocked

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Re: Onne Sea Port by asha80(m): 4:28pm On Jan 20, 2016
raumdeuter:

You see the population of the 10 largest towns and where majority of them are zoned to in the current regionalization
it is a well known fact that the west or present sw were the first and possibly the more urbanized areas of Nigeria hence they had higher number of towns that were populated..however if you also look most of those western towns were under the cumulative oyo and abeokuta province...apart from Enugu ezike the eastern axis did not have any other place in the breakdown of towns but you have to understand that the settlement pattern was different in the eastern axis..for sure the eastern axis was nit urbanized like the western axis but it does not mean it was not densely populated..ok look at Onitsha and owerri provinces and you would see that they were higher than oyo province despite that oyo province was bigger and had more urban concubation...the eastern axis settlement pattern was scattered but the same time densely populated villages meshed together.

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Re: Onne Sea Port by raumdeuter: 4:33pm On Jan 20, 2016
asha80:
the eastern region then was also populated if you look at this census then according to the provinces

You see the population of the 10 largest towns and where majority of them are zoned to in the current regionalization

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Re: Onne Sea Port by asha80(m): 4:48pm On Jan 20, 2016
raumdeuter:


You see the population of the 10 largest towns and where majority of them are zoned to in the current regionalization
asha80:
it is a well known fact that the west or present sw were the first and possibly the more urbanized areas of Nigeria hence they had higher number of towns that were populated..however if you also look most of those western towns were under the cumulative oyo and abeokuta province...apart from Enugu ezike the eastern axis did not have any other place in the breakdown of towns but you have to understand that the settlement pattern was different in the eastern axis..for sure the eastern axis was nit urbanized like the western axis but it does not mean it was not densely populated..ok look at Onitsha and owerri provinces and you would see that they were higher than oyo province despite that oyo province was bigger and had more urban concubation...the eastern axis settlement pattern was scattered but the same time densely populated villages meshed together.

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Re: Onne Sea Port by Living4christ(m): 4:54pm On Jan 20, 2016
Tequilah:

Wrong! I am right here in Naija. Answer my last question: All the anarchy, attacks, kidnapping and violence that your people and the militants have unleashed in the SS, how has it improved your communities or changed your villages for the better?? shocked shocked

For your mind u ask better tin? I no set make them carry gun fight, I say an Govt make them carry gun fight! Y should ask what MEND is fighting for so that u will undersand

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