Elxandre:

Hi,
Are you Martineverest?

yeah.Dem block me.i decided to open another

pulsa:

the same with the genus IQ Jews and European Christians clinging to God creating heaven and earth, and the Christians clinging to Jesus walking on water.

But religion is mind control technique before na.

In my local Anglican church, if not for Afro-Caribbean immigrants, it would have turned club house since. We have less than 10% whites attending it.

Except maybe USA, whites have long moved on from religion.

ritababe:


really?

yes China
check it out on your own time, I mean our history is practically the only history that was not successfully cleared out by the slavemasters , the only history and tradition that survived in the Americas, our language is spoken all over there, the numo ero head of the Cuban "STATE CHURCH" is one of our son considering he came to ile life to prostrate to the ooni of ife, same with Brazil where we have kings ruling regions. " WE ARE FAR AHEAD OF YOU".

I urge the two kingdoms to sheath their swords if they can't prove their claims. Afterall, both of them has no relevance in government.

cleoblizz332:
does benin use "ise"

yeah

From ur statement it shows u dont even knw about ur culture..i wanna ask u a question, whenever you pple hold new yam festivals is there a representative of the oba of benin or not? and do dey pay homage to the oba of benin or not? but there again i tink u r ignorant of all dis as u dont knw hw its done or neva attended one

Lemon12:
sharrap

Obi of onitsha and Asagba of Asaba are under nobody ..

MrPresident1:


'Yoruba' as a word is the problem, Ooni has said now used 'Oduduwa', now the whole controversy will be laid to rest finally when the Oba, or the Iyase, or the Esogban come out to say they are not part of the House of Oduduwa.

We are waiting for the response from the palace of the Oba of Benin.

They've said ODUDUWA which YORUBAS claim was a 'DISCARDED' Benin prince who settled in IFE. What more do you want?

MrPresident1:


Ooni Ogunwusi, a very wise Ooni, may Olodumare continue to guide you. Yes, our people in Benin are part of the house of Oduduwa. I like how you put it, 'House of Oduduwa', and 'Oduduwa land'.

More wisdom to the Ooni, Arole Odua.

d angle d Ooni take make him a wiseman, because d bone of contention is oduduwa- who owns oduduwa, is itGod that sent oduduwa or is a benin price, throughtout history God never sent any man from d sky, even my jesus was not sent from d sky, adam was not sent from d sky, so it was d injustice done to oduduwa that make d benin throne to be vacant which need d rightful owner to take back d throne he was ealier deny, so in ur right view, can't u see oduduwa is a benin prince?

These Bini folks are starting to irk. We need to teach them the history of their overrated kingdom that thrived on fables and jejune tales. Bini kingdom's might thrived on outright lies - the only great thing it achieved came from those great artworks. And the knowledge of those artworks came from Owo and Ife.

Bini kingdom NEVER even conquered any relevant kingdom. You never conquered Igala kingdom, all the skirmishes had no victor or vanquished. You NEVER conquered Owo, it was a stalemate. You were scared of Dahomey and never went to war with the kingdom. You NEVER conquered Ijebu. You NEVER conquered Nupe. And to your east, you didn't even trouble the Igbos and Ijaws. Itsekiris sold you as slaves. Your only achievement outside ya small Bini fortress with a moat, was art and craft. Heck, Ogedengbe the Ijesha warrior, almost took the war to ya land and you had to placate him with a gift. Apart from building a tiny camp in tiny Eko, on Aworiland, with the help of the Ilajes - what else was the achievement of Bini kingdom?

Bini kingdom wasn't an empire - it was a kingdom populated by Edoid groups. Oyo on the other hand was an empire cos it had non-Yoruboid groups, from Bariba, to Fon etc.. Don't ever compare ya small kingdom that's only known for artworks birthed by Ife and Owo to anything Yoruba. You worship Yoruba orishas. Your kingship is Yoruba. And even in your Oba's palace, Yoruba used to be the language used for everything - yet you have this nauseating way of getting ahead of yourselves like you're actually better than what you're. Stop it. I still don't know how a small landlocked kingdom started worshipping Olokun. Who gave you Olokun, the most revered god in Biniland - if not Ijebus and Ilajes - Yoruba subgroups?

Fall back - the Ooni has spoken. Bini's throne came from Yorubas and you're the little brother. Stop punching above ya height cos of artworks.

Born2Breed:


These are Myths and Folklore's. These was never Sango or whatever.

Btw is it not the same Ooni that goes kneeling before Tinubu and Obasanjo to be nominated and installed as ooni. He should read his history books if his father did not.

Don't say that again! Sango was a 4th Alaafin of Oyo! Get your facts right.

columbus007:
ise,epah u get voice,I greet you

I hail u bros

AreaFada2:


But religion is mind control technique before na.

In my local Anglican church, if not for Afro-Caribbean immigrants, it would have turned club house since. We have less than 10% whites attending it.

Except maybe USA, whites have long moved on from religion.

true sha
I thought you were a religious dude being hypocritical about the Yoruba's religion as mythical while believing in yours as real, but I can now see you are not like that, my sincere apologies.

AreaFada2:


That has long been settled. Ododuwa was a Benin Prince, banished and wandered through forest, first reaching Owo area before Ife. Benin is roughly 70 miles east/South East of Owo, Owo is roughly 70 miles East of Ife. Hence Ekaladerhan entered Ife from the East!

But Yoruba somehow think some mythical figure from Mecca it is.

If Ododuwa was Benin man in the first place, how can Benin Royal family be Youruba?

Benin and Yoruba people had lived where they are now over 4,000 years before Ododuwa.

Even if Ododuwa was Yoruba & Benin Royal family is Yoruba origin (which it is not) how does that make all Benins Yoruba?

British Royal family is German, are all British German? Even though Anglo-Saxons left Germany & Denmark in 5th century AD, you cannot call them German.
Swedish Royal family is French, are Swedes therefore French? Mexico once had an Austrian King, did it make all Mexicans Austrian? Former Greek Royal family is German-Danish, are all Greeks now German-Danish?

Just because Benin gave up its rights to provinces in Eastern Yorubaland, Delta & elsewhere as a British pre-condition to restore the monarchy in 1914 doesn't mean people want to change history.

......the should call for truth not facts ....

Benin or Yoruba, we are all Nigerians.

Whatever the case may be,
Oranmiyan was the grandson of Oduduwa a fearless warrior that ousted the Ogiso dynasty and conquer Benin Kingdom. Shortly afterwards, the Eweka dynasty was
founded by Oranmiyan.

Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It
is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with
'vexations'. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son
named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition).

Eweka happens to be the
first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.


In 2016 I argued with omoh s came to power and turned the city-state into an empire that stretched further west to the coveted port, Eko. The
name "Benin" is a Portuguese corruption of "Bini" which itself is a corruption of the Itsekhiri's "Ubinu".

"Bini" came into use in the 15th century during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great by the increasing mix of ethnicities living together or
arriving to pay dues at the royal administrative centre. At about 1485, following the Portuguese involvement in the area, the city proper began to be referred to as
"Benin" while the expanding group of tributary states became known as the "Benin Empire".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oba_of_Benin

blazetitov:

“The Ooni of Ife, by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class".

How can the guy from benin be contradicting himself by saying the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin and at the same time saying that the Oba of Benin stool has no relationship with the Yoruba race. I don't get it.

I'm sure this man must be old and grey. He's absolutely confused.

AreaFada2:


But religion is mind control technique before na.

In my local Anglican church, if not for Afro-Caribbean immigrants, it would have turned club house since. We have less than 10% whites attending it.

Except maybe USA, whites have long moved on from religion.

true sha
I thought you were a religious dude being hypocritical about the Yoruba religion as nothing but mythological while believing your religion was factual, but I can a see that I was wrong about you, my sincere apologies.

Oba Of Benin according to history.

According to oral tradition, the first dynasty of the Edo or Benin Kingdom was the Ogiso dynasty, rulers who were known to their people as the kings of the Sky.[1] The number of such kings varies depending on which tradition is followed.[1] One tradition gives the number as 31 while others state twelve or even one.[1] Whatever the case may be, Oranmiyan was the grandson of Oduduwa a fearless warrior that ousted the Ogiso dynasty and conquer Benin Kingdom. Shortly afterwards, the Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with 'vexations'. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oba_of_Benin

ritababe:

so who is oduduwa?

Oduduwa is a son of a b*tch.
Na by force to come. From yoruba?

pulsa:

yes China
check it out on your own time, I mean our history is practically the only history that was not successfully cleared out by the slavemasters , the only history and tradition that survived in the Americas, our language is spoken all over there, the numo ero head of the Cuban "STATE CHURCH" is one of our son considering he came to ile life to prostrate to the ooni of ife, same with Brazil where we have kings ruling regions. " WE ARE FAR AHEAD OF YOU".

your first kind is a bini man true or false?

ritababe:


your first kind is a bini man true or false?

he was our progenitor, our father, where he came from was irrelevant what you are trying to infer is like me telling Europeans they are Africans because they came from Africa.

pulsa:

true sha
I thought you were a religious dude being hypocritical about the Yoruba's religion as mythical while believing in yours as real, but I can now see you are not like that, my sincere apologies.

The whole Bible story began to be written only after the Egypt educated Moses did so. Any surprise?

The very similarity between Egyptian creation, Horus & Osiris & Bible stories is more than coincidence.

I studied the Bible under some of the best theologians/eschatologists of this age. Including the most senior Jewish Rabbi in the country where I live.

We Africans take everything literally, as though we don't digest what we read.

Blackkie:
7th day christening of babies is practiced all in the East and South South also.
The pagans do it so also christians.

east no join,we are debating abt the issue on ground,as a matter of fact it takes 30days for the easterners.dont knw abt the s\s tho.

Lemon12:

mulattoclaro , spanishkid , Enahi
This is an insult on benin kingdom and Edo state in general ..

Yorubas are land grabbers ... They will soon claim warri kingdom as the territory

I bet you didn't listen to the history of warri and its king (olu) by warri elders and chiefs on sunrise daily, warri might not be Core yorubaland but has a lot of history intertwined even the kingship (throne).

Please we have other serious problems at hand.
Dollar is rising drastically & Naira is collapsing speedily.

Leave all these History alone. After all, man's pride will never speak the truth or bother to learn abt the truth behind history.

brownlord:


And how did he know Benin was not civilized as Oyo since he was never there?

One question

Do you believe Ododuwa fell from sky with a bag of soil in his hand that is spread across the face of the earth today? I need your sincere answer

that is our mythical origin just like the Jews have their, Abraham came from present day Iran by t nobody say he was an Iranian, for he was nothing but the progenitor of the Jews.

brownlord:


And how did he know Benin was not civilized as Oyo since he was never there?

One question

Do you believe Ododuwa fell from sky with a bag of soil in his hand that is spread across the face of the earth today? I need your sincere answer

that is our mythical origin just like the Jews have their, Abraham came from present day Iran yet nobody say he was an Iranian, for he was nothing but the progenitor of the Jews.

erusen:
your first Yoruba king was a banished prince from bini kingdom,ogiso was change to oba like 500 years ago,elleko of Lagos was changed to oba of lagos around1950

I ask you again.

Who changed Igodomigodo to Benin

Who changed the Ogisos king title to Oba.


Where did the Edo people get these new names from.

Tunami:
the binis are saying that there is nothing like oba in yorubaland but its a lie because even before they start using the title (oba) people are already answering the name. Sango's second wife's name name is Oba who according to history turned into a river in the present day IWOLAND.

You are wrong.

First wife: Oba
Second wife: Oshun
Third wife:Oya

The 1st wife's name being Oba does not have the same meaning as the argument. Her Oba does not mean King or Royal head.
There are some words in different languages that don't correlate in meaning.

I would have been explicit on the topic, but I no get the strength abeg.

AreaFada2:

The whole Bible story began to be written only after the Egypt educated Moses did so. Any surprise?

The very similarity between Egyptian creation, Horus & Osiris & Bible stories is more than coincidence.

I studied the Bible under some of the best theologians/eschatologists of this age. Including the most senior Jewish Rabbi in the country where I live.

We Africans take everything literally, as though we don't digest what we read.

very true every real student of Jewish history knows they ripped off several ideas from the Egyptians and all other semitic ethnicity, they were the least civilized semitic group before moses came along, even his commandments were already being utilized by other semitic ethnicities before god conveniently showed it to him

martineinstein:
Ooni is too young to start unnecessary controversy...the monarch that almost colonized almost the entire southern Nigeria(from Lagos to kogi to bayelsa) and part of middle belt is now under u?.. If not for British punitive expedition of 1896,ooni would have been conquered by oba of Benin....
many first class monarchs are under oba of Benin,especially oba of Lagos,obi of onitsha,asagba of asaba,olu of Warri,dein of agbo etc. Even the traditional name of Lagos,'eko' is a bini word....ooni should go and rest joor

Oba agha t'okpe e!....ise!

#Gbam. correct.

pulsa:

that is our mythical origin just like the Jews have their, Abraham came from present day Iran yet nobody say he was an Iranian, for he was nothing but the progenitor of the Jews.

So you mean, prior to oduduwa descending from heaven the entire Yoruba race had no king/ruler?