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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 7:06am On May 22, 2016 |
n3xt:you mean the indoor design is different from the the out door? Tot they are the same. Is the quality stone tiles pocket friendly? |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:15am On May 22, 2016 |
gabbytabby: Do you think it'll be okay for block setting at all? Thanks. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by babalose: 7:16am On May 22, 2016 |
@brabus.....are you saying you pay more attention to quality when it comes to your own house as compared to your clients? I can't but notice what you said about the pillar holding your gate. 6 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:24am On May 22, 2016 |
gabbytabby: But, not all US presidents were credentialed. FACT. Which is my point, we can't make it an absolute and paint with a wide brush. If I'm having a triple bypass, I want both a credential and experience surgeon, not one that was homeschooled. As an example. If I'm throwing a party, maybe I want an experienced caterer and not a recent graduate of culinary school. Finally, the emphasis to be on the norm is just your personal opinion. There's no reason why it can't be otherwise. 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 8:18am On May 22, 2016 |
n3xt: Everything you mentioned is inline. The basis for considering granite dust is because of the scarcity of quality sharp sand. The more silt and clay there is in sharp sand the worst it is. Am not familiar with Lagos or the south west entirely but more familiar with North west, North central and south south. South south in particular do not have good supply of both sharp sand or granite products. Rivers and Akwa Ibom states for instance have their source of granite from Cross River state. It means, granite dust is not economical to them. Even with their low quality sharp sand, it is still more economical to use it as such. In contrast, Abuja has a very good supply of granite, making granite dust cheaper than sharp sand such that suppliers have to go outsite FCT to Kaduna, Nassarawa and even Kogi to get sharp sand. Kogi state for instance have a very large source of sharp sand from the River Niger. In that state, no matter how cheap granite dust is, sharp sand is equally cheap and available in large quantities. In general, the northern states have better quality of sharp sand and cheaper too. In the same vein, good laterite is also a scarce resource in some locations. Infact, it was my undergraduate project to determine other materials that could be used to improve laterite found to have low density. My colleagues used stuff like broken glasses, limestone and fly ash to improve concrete while i used bagasse ash to improve laterite. All these are beside my point. My point is, given good sharp sand and granite dust at the same cost, sharp sand is a better fine aggregate. Even if granite dust is cheaper, it still doesnt change the fact that sharp sand is still better. Am afraid of posting the link, it usually gets me a ban. However, this is a screen shot of the one i quoted. Google the title and you can download it.
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 8:19am On May 22, 2016 |
gabbytabby: God bless you Madam. First, l never "condemn" people without education. What l said was that "Work Experience" can NEVER replace "Formal Education". They both have their place in life but like you pointed out, an educated person will eventually gain the "experience" on the job but l cant fathom how an illiterate who refuses to go to school, will acquire a first degree! ![]() ![]() Due to truancy and/or the circumstances of life, we all cant have top-notch education but l would rather educate my own children to a minimum of a first degree (I have one who is almost finishing Medical School overseas), than build houses for them or spoil them with Money. I am surprised that these people keep twisting my 'position' and focusing on my person? One went about insulting "Educated/Certificated people and claiming they are not employed or "who education don help"? ![]() ![]() ![]() I responded that "before you can even table your experience in a Trade, you have to show your CERTIFICATE (no matter how lowly) that shows you have the "basic, pre-requisite education". I used the example of Cleaners, Security Men, Hotel Hands, e.t.c to buttress my point. This people must sit and study to have a "SafePass Certificate".... in western Countries, before they can do any of the above menial jobs In a world of over 7Billion people, how can a minuscule hundred, be used as proof that "Education does not matter or that "Work experience" can replace education? Is this a kind of "age-related jaundice" of the brain or what ![]() The girl whose picture was posted might just "pass through school" without allowing her "education/school" to pass through her (but l dont want to knock her because l dont know her circumstances to the detail). I know that even if you read Yoruba or English and you are sound enough to graduate with 2^1 (as opposed to most children of today who cheat through school and come out with the Certificate but they are actually empty-headed) ... you wont need to carry a placard to earn a living: what is wrong with starting a "neighbourhood lesson" where you teach younger ones and their parent pay you? I have engaged a lot of under-graduates who come to my house to teach my children, when they were very young and they make good money, hopping from one "home lesson" to another, abi l lie? So, how did she end-up with placard, if she is good at what she studied? That is where l think "half-education" comes into play. If hse is soundly educated, her mind and brain will propose better options to her than this undignified shame she is putting herself through Again, l find it funny that these illiterates will only use a 'bad example" like this to buttress their failure and inadequacy! What about the hundred of thousands of graduates that work in Shell, Mobil, NNPC, Banks, NLNG, Doctors, e.t.c whose starting salary as a trainee is not less than 200K monthly? How many 2^1 Graduates roam the street in US, UK and other Western climes? Just because Nigeria is ruled by the same class of half-baked ....and stark illiterates like we have foaming in the mouth here, is why some of our Graduates are having it rough but it is not the norm. I have asked that they show me just One Bridge that was "designed and built" by anyone without education, they cant but instead went on a tangential rant! Infact,l cant believe that in 2016, someone will openly say that "Education does not help"? Anyway, on reflection, l realize that the only people who always tow this line of thinking are either stark illiterates or people with "failed/half education (which they say is even more dangerous! ![]() It is sad that even supposedly grown-ups cant differentiate between "having money" and "being educated" and having "work experience". The are not the same thing and are not mutually exclusive but the better person, by a mile-off, is "he who is well educated and made money legitimately from it and gained 'work experience' over ...and with their education". Any fool can have money at anytime (you can even win a lottery! ) ... but it takes time, diligence and dedication to have quality education. And if you are well-educated, it will show in EVERYTHING you do or say. You cant hide it. You will even be a cut above the crowd if you now add "experience" to your education. For example, l work with personnel who have spent +30yrs in the military, who will never rise beyond "Warrant officer 2" till they are honourably discharged (retire).... while a young boy of less than twenty-two years who has a BSc. joins the military as Second Lieutenant! Is it not his "certificated education" that propelled him over and above the "uneducated one with decades of experience"? Why did the one with 30+ years "Experience" not come and claim "l sabi pass am"? ![]() ![]() Why have we not have a school cert with fifty years experience, become the Head of NNPC? How many of these dunce foaming in the mouth here will allow a "Chemist" with ten years "shop-trade" experience perform a surgery on you or your spouse, in case of serious illness? why would they insist on a well rounded, University trained and qualified Doctor ![]() ![]() How can these guys not get it that "education" does more than just provide a "job-path-way" for people?.... it develops you mentally, it broadens your horizon and make your brain think and work in ways that are "beyond limitations". Honestly, l just laugh at the idiocy of this argument. ![]() Lastpage! Below is a post by @Abdulwastexc , that shows the difference between an "educated/certificated" professional .... and an illiterate Artisan with "experience". These illiterates need to sit down and study the difference properly. 17 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 8:21am On May 22, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: It is but I would say put a bit more cement. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 8:24am On May 22, 2016 |
Abdulwastexc, permit me to reproduce this post of yours: Abdulwastecx: we have the so called Professionals, such as architect, civil engineer, quantity surveyor etc (with minimum of 5 years university education . These people are trained to solve problem from conceptual stage, they need lots of theoretical knowledge than practical know how. It is a fact that they need about 75% theory to 25% practical. I hope all these hald-educated illiterates on nairaland can understand Pythagoras theorem and apply it to their "trial-by-error" builds! Instead of blaming carpenter 'who though has "experience", is not educationally trained to "THINK or DESIGN"! ![]() ![]() BTW: Formal Education is way-different from "snipping pictures" from all over the internet and claiming it as if it were your original idea or property. ![]() ![]() Lastpage! 11 Likes
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 4nobody4every1: 8:40am On May 22, 2016 |
lastpage:Succinctly put and spot on, l had wanted to write an epistle on this subject of discussion but you and Madam gabbytabby have actually voiced out all l had in my mind and you have saved me the time to write all that intended to post , l agree with everything you have posted here, l think you should suffice it to stay for now, you have made a brilliant & objective point without bias that any lettered / un-learned person will be able to find a balance. 8 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 8:40am On May 22, 2016 |
The individual will always approach things and situations based on their skillset and mindset. There are also educated illiterates a term I use to refer to the schooled but without a logical sense of reasoning or commonsense. In order to be able to have meaningful discussions we tend to refer to the average joe and the usual Sarah (my(feminist addition) cos that is where the majority of us fall. Most graduates at least in 9ja left with let my people go (2.2) EgunMogaji: |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 8:57am On May 22, 2016 |
Miscellaneous: In that case, something somewhere went wrong. The difference between the two couldnt be that much. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 8:58am On May 22, 2016 |
babalose: I never had to compromise at any part of my personal project. I lost the books at some point and quality at whatever cost was given a big priority. I saw cheap Chinese light fittings but went for a gate pillar light of 70k for a pair. That cannot be said of client who wanted to spend 300k to buy all the light fittings in their house. Check what you see at H52. I bought Roman Blinds which is 100k plus. Most client won't pay for that. Sorry to say. What about toughened glasses used for my glass partitions? I had option of buying ordinary for less. My tiles are real Spanish and I paid its real price and not having a champagne taste on la casera budget. My build is in Sagamu. Yet I did raft where everyone is doing Strip foundation. I bought an electric mixer solely for all my backyard DIY project. I could do it with hand. So like we say in computer world "GIGO" 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:04am On May 22, 2016 |
Breaking News: SAGAMU Flooded again yesterday. Yet again, Brabus is sleeping while some fish farmers are reported to have died and some building collapsed. I'm a man from the future. If you build on waterways, it'll only be a matter of time before you reap what you sow. Brabus Aftermath of the flood Though I was not affected at all, I've asked my house man to gimme report of water level and ask that they raise the earthbags by 300mm. I learnt the Akarigbo Palace fence (in Sagamu) went for it. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Memejem: 9:13am On May 22, 2016 |
Your comment really just rubbed me the wrong way. You were asked a simple question. All you had to reply was that you were not constrained when it came to money as you were building to your own taste and quality preference. Instead you chose to brag and highlight all the expenses you spent on your house and foundation cost. And you didn't do it in a way that displayed humility. What are you trying to prove here? n3xt: |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:15am On May 22, 2016 |
Memejem: Bros, kindly ignore. Thanks. Fact: The water that will affect my build will have taken off a whole city. I paid the price. Brabus 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by babalose: 9:20am On May 22, 2016 |
I have noticed that most builds in Lagos island nowadays don't incorporate the water tank into the structure but have chosen to build metal frames for the water tanks. This practice doesn't seem to be a trend in some other states. Does anyone know why? |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:25am On May 22, 2016 |
adanny01: Absolutely the truth. The difference can never be so wide. Brabus |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Memejem: 9:34am On May 22, 2016 |
I've noticed you do this a lot. This time I just could not hold my tonge. You offer excess amount of information and it comes across as the sole purpose is to show off or railroad rather than to pass knowledge. And it's hard to ignore you as it seems to be your life purpose to comment on this thread with long epistles of all you think you've accomplished in life or defend yourself against multiple accusation of poor work. n3xt: 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jummymine(f): 9:36am On May 22, 2016 |
Good morning everyone! I just want to thank everyone that recommended dominionng for me. They finally finished my pop last week. It was so beautiful and perfect.There was no single.complaint.i will post the pics as soon as we finish installing the electrical fittings that will bring out more beauty of the pop. Thank you very much. 4 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:37am On May 22, 2016 |
@ Babalose, pls pick any from the pic posted. Take note my thumb is less than 1in. Pic 1: 2x2 Pic 2: 2x2 Pic 3: 2x4 Pic 4: 2x6 That's the big difference. If you don't know, don't assume. Pick what you think Brabus would have used in any of his project before I'll ask you to check all my threads and finally show you what I used on my personal build. Brabus 1 Share
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:38am On May 22, 2016 |
Memejem: Comment well noted sir! |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by back2sender: 10:02am On May 22, 2016 |
n3xt:You did a raft foundation because you built your house on a water infested environment. Try and be humble abit, it pays!!!! You are a service provider 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by back2sender: 10:13am On May 22, 2016 |
EgunMogaji:This is loamy soil and not sharp sand please Use it to make garden landscaping of the church you are building sorry i mean chicken coop. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Miscellaneous(m): 10:18am On May 22, 2016 |
mavverick: Honestly, I'm not yet in the construction industry & I'm still a civil engr student. But to your question, I believe it is well suited for interlock production & nothing else. For your second question, pls ask others since I'm not well grounded in that... cc: spyder880 , Abdulwastecx , n3xt , Egunmogaji, lastpage |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Miscellaneous(m): 10:29am On May 22, 2016 |
n3xt: Workability wasn't really that bad ... I was saying in comparism to the sharp sand. A compacting factor test was also done (had I snapped the report, you would have seen everything). My supervisor was not surprised about my result. He has worked in the construction industry for close to 20years & he said he knew that granite dust was not it & that most engineers always argue like you are doing now. & who said it was mixed in an airtight container ? Don't assume man.... it doesn't help. The container of the automated mixer was used.... (not the rotating automated but, the automated mixer that has about 4 turning blades starting from top of the container cover, through & ending at the bottom of the container). & as a matter of fact, the mix didnt even reach 1/2 of the container. Water-cement ratio used was 0.55 for all.... water shouldn't be added arbitrarily in a lab. It is a test to compare, moreso. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Miscellaneous(m): 10:31am On May 22, 2016 |
adanny01: It left even me amazed except for the supervisor. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Demainman1: 10:42am On May 22, 2016 |
@Lastpage, thank you for that wonderful write up on the need for good education. Some people are just too myopic to see the truth. Some even refuse to take corrections and claim to know it all and yet they will come here to ask basic questions that even primary one pupil can give them answer to. They are here displaying their stupidity and foolishness while claiming to be widely travelled and all that nonsense. Empty barrels I tell you. Real empty barrels. 5 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:54am On May 22, 2016 |
Miscellaneous: Where's your location? I want an open test with video recording and we will send to LSMTL for lab test. Is that fine? Maybe that will really help us here. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 11:06am On May 22, 2016 |
Only a fool will say education isn't important in one's life. (But have it in mind that it isn't a key to success) I pay over 50k per term for my daughter's school fees to give her sound education becos i blv in education. But an old fool can't condemn my profession because I didn't learn it formally. You should just keep shutt and go thru the pages that brought the main discussion before u jumped like a fuckery retard to trow punch lines at me even when I didn't insult u. You claimed to have done and know everything even when you haven't back any of it with up with evidence for once. Just sit your ass down there and ignore me fully cos you have sold out all the respect I have for u. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 11:22am On May 22, 2016 |
back2sender: Baba, I built on a terrain where caterpillar had to work for 2 days to achieve a level ground. It's beyond hard. We dug out gravels from my site and not vegetable (grass sef no fit grow) soils. I only planned for the unknown future. I already knew one day people will start building on drainages, clog up waterways with dirts, and water level will rise as number of buildings in the area increases. So I planned for it right from the beginning of the project. I'm in a flood zone and not a waterlogged or high water table area. Today looks like my lucky day with Sir Back2Sender. 1 Share
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 11:40am On May 22, 2016 |
Miscellaneous: That's serious.. 26kN to 16kN.. Those results were after 28days? |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 11:45am On May 22, 2016 |
This one wey it seems like I'm bragging about my village hut. How I wish we can discuss fire prevention plans in residential houses and we have people who can show us what they've done to prevent fire and also share their fire escape strategies. Maybe we can enlighten others. Make I share my little experience. But if I talk I hope I won't get on people's nerves. It seems this site is only reserved for discussing certain subjects (colour of sand, colour of Windows, price of cement, etc). Key topics like structural failures, foundation issues, home security, automation, fire prevention, and more don't receive good patronage. Brabus 2 Likes |
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