Amberon11:
Per the bolded, there has been hundreds of evidences but people have chosen to deliberately ignore. I tell you, there is a heaven and a hell. Not because I read it a bible but because I have things with my own eyes. The best proof is to seek Christ yourself. Christianity is the only religion that guarantees you proof of the afterlife while you're still alive. There's no book that is big enough to contain the things I've seen.

People have NDEs (Near Death Experiences) everyday. Hundreds of thousands of people have seen Jesus physically: not just Christians but people from all walks of life ( Muslims, Christians, hinduists, Buddhists, old, young, etc) but the west has labelled them "schizophrenics".

Make research for yourself and you'll see the irrefutably evidence of the existence of God. But always have it at the back of your mind that the best evidence of Christ is to have a personal encounter with him.

Ranchhoddas:
There are also evidence for the Muslim hell as well as evidence for re-incarnation. Are they false?

tayooluwole:


So we should rather say there is no divine security ? We should go about preaching d words of God at our own risk ?

Amberon11:
Notice I never said "Christian heaven or hell". I said hell and heaven. There's no denominational hell.

That being said, 99.9999% of Muslims who have visited heaven or hell saw what matched the "biblical" descriptions of heaven and hell. They never had experiences matching the Islamic descriptions of heaven and hell. That invariably explains why no one has ever seen the 72 virgins and neither has anyone seen Mohammed. In fact they believe Mohammed is currently in hell, hence their prayers for the prophet to be granted jannah (heaven) by Allah.

But majority of those who have had divine visitations have seen Jesus.

Yes! reincarnation happens but I won't go into details due to your carnality as it would be pointless.

Anything else??

Amberon11:
Did God Almighty not allow his only begotten son Jesus Christ die for our sins?? Couldn't He have stopped it?

Death to a true believer is a call to everlasting life. All the disciples of Christ died while in service to God. In fact we as Christians should count ourselves lucky to suffer tribulation for his sake. It is written that these things must be fulfilled.

Like my brother always says, we are not practicing Christianity in the South. Some of us have not seen tribulations yet out faith wavers. As he would say the real Christians are in the middle east and north. Their lives are endangered everyday just by being Christians yet they are unwavering.

Ranchhoddas:
Carnality indeed. What about the 0.00001% and why do the christian heavenly visitors come back with varying accounts of heaven?

Ranchhoddas:
Carnality indeed. What about the 0.00001% and why do the christian heavenly visitors come back with varying accounts of heaven?

analice107:

How many varied accounts have been presented so far? Links?

Ranchhoddas:
You ran away from this thread...www.nairaland.com/3206834/all-ye-earring-wearing-daughters/1#47349595

ouigy99:


Well, he has already said in the Bible that people will be prosecuted and even because of Him.
Once you have agreed to be a Christian, you should be aware of all the risks identified in the Bible.
If you join the military and is sent to war, (we are actually at war with principalities etc.) you should be ready to accept whatever you see.... Even death.
Though it's painful people die cause of Christ and God, I am a believer that they will resurrect to a better life for the sacrifice they made.

Amberon11:
If there's no God then where does the power of your charms come from?

Amberon11:
Per the bolded, there has been hundreds of evidences but people have chosen to deliberately ignore. I tell you, there is a heaven and a hell. Not because I read it a bible but because I have things with my own eyes. The best proof is to seek Christ yourself. Christianity is the only religion that guarantees you proof of the afterlife while you're still alive. There's no book that is big enough to contain the things I've seen.

People have NDEs (Near Death Experiences) everyday. Hundreds of thousands of people have seen Jesus physically: not just Christians but people from all walks of life ( Muslims, Christians, hinduists, Buddhists, old, young, etc) but the west has labelled them "schizophrenics".

Make research for yourself and you'll see the irrefutably evidence of the existence of God. But always have it at the back of your mind that the best evidence of Christ is to have a personal encounter with him.

tayooluwole:


This is what is baffling me the most, what is the rationale behind spreading and worshiping a God that can not protect us from evil that may want to purnish us by horrible means, even against our will... With this ur point, do u think it will be a sin if I protect my self with charms ?

honourhim:


Even those who use charm still die and even horribly too so charm is not a sure security.
My dear you dont need to stress yourself. This life is full of mysteries.
For God not to have stopped evil from entering into creation shows there is a reason for that.
Looking at it from the angle that a creator is not meant to please the created rather the created is meant to please the creator because that's the purpose of his creating in the first place.

Ranchhoddas:
Carnality indeed. What about the 0.00001% and why do the christian heavenly visitors come back with varying accounts of heaven?

Dragonking:
Did anyone else notice that tayooluwole avoided my response and decided to reply the other ones he can easily get an upper hand?

It is obvious you have gotten the answer from me but just seeking irrelevant argument with others.

Fabulocity:
God cannot be held responsible for the actions of man.

He cannot force man to act a certain way because it is the right way. . Free will.

tayooluwole:


I did not notice ur comment anyway. Let me check

tayooluwole:


It is a common believe especially in christiandom that Charms is not an act of God...

Amberon11:
I just left out that 0.0000001% not because there has been such occurrences (Muslims visiting a heaven that matches the Qur'anic descriptions) but just for the benefit of constructive criticisms. YouTube for example has recorded thousands of heavenly visits (biblical) but not a single one matches the Islamic descriptions.

No, they do not have varying accounts. You just haven't paid enough attention.

They all went at different times and it all depends on what Jesus wanted them to see. All agree that they didn't see God the father but only saw Jesus and some saw the biblical prophets while some didn't. All agree that heaven is a place of pure bliss, love and unfathomable joy.

Dragonking:
Yes, but Jesus told us clearly that we shall be persecuted for his sake, for preaching the word of God..Persecution also includes death.. This is already a warning to those that are ready to take this task.
Don't forget that Jesus also advised us that when preaching we can flee when trouble or persecution comes in Matt 10: 21-23..He never assured you that God will come down and kill anyone that persecutes you.

tartar9:

Lol...xtians using NDEs as proof of their version of afterlife.NDEs is a universal phenomena that has also been experienced by thousands people of other faiths with description of of the afterlife that suited their religion,so how can all be true

Amberon11:
For every fake there is an original. Charms are not from God but if they're not then who are they from? obviously from lesser powers such as demons, spirits etc. I'm just trying to let you know that it is pointless to believe in charms and. their source of power without believing in God.

tayooluwole:


Ok fine. But Y God no they answer when calling on him for rescue at the point of persecution ? The woman that was killed in abuja yesterday was shouting blood of jesus while her body was being mutilated by her killer... Why would God decide to keep silent when one of his worshipers is experiencing a physical agony when he can easily rescue him ? But Y ? Just like a father who send his son on an errand, on the way, his son fell into a big water and d son was calling him for help, intentionally, d father was just looking at the son while he was shouting and getting covered by the water, whereas the father is in good position to rescue the son ... Bros what do you have to say of such father ?

Dragonking:
Thats what I explained in my post.. Jesus Christ has already confirmed it that when you preach the gospel you will be persecuted or killed.. He didn't tell us that God the father will deliver such person.. .If God wishes to save you, so be it.. If he sees that your time is up and you should come home and rest, so be it but there was never a guarantee that all who are persecuted because they preached the gospel will be protected or saved by God. Remember also, that Jesus even advises that such person flee to the next town when he senses trouble or about to be prosecuted for preaching. .If you fail to flee, you can't blame God.. Simple!

I hope this answer the question.

tayooluwole:


Y is there no guarantee ?

Amberon11:
I was awaiting your response. Yes NDEs with visions of Christ. Yes, 99.9999% of all people in history of the world have never seen Mohammed. Hinduists, Buddhists, Confuscians, Greeks, Romans, Atheists, Asians, Germans, Scientists, Doctors, Pilots, Engineers etc have all seen Jesus. None has seen Sango or Mohammed.

And you know why? Cuz you cannot look for the living among the dead. Mohammed is dead, buried and decayed as seen in Mecca. But Jesus is alive and coming back. That's why everyone sees Jesus and not Mohammed or Whatever.

Dragonking:
Why should there be a guarantee?

Dragonking:
Why should there be a guarantee? The task is already specific and the danger that comes with it has been stated.. If one wishes to continue then good.. .