KingEbukaNaija:


The wages of sin is death . And God shows mercy to whomever he chooses to show mercy to .

Exodus 33:19
And He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before thee; and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee, and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.

4kings:

What do u mean by my proposition of Gods existence is devoid of the belief in hell?

Like I told u before I don't believe God interferes in the actions of men.

And my ideology of God is not the same for Yahweh or any God of most tribe.

bolt000:
Oh Please! Shut up now, you always try your best to jump into just any religious conversation, most times you end up devoid of reasoning. Take a chill pill and relax. I would be the least surprised to find out its Seun running this acct.

KingEbukaNaija:


You claimed Christians believe in God because of their fear of Hell but you as a deist believe in God with the belief in the absence of Hell . What I'm trying to say is that we don't believe in God simply because of Hell .




So don't be dogmatic about it . People have other reasons for believing in God , they also have evidence that God does intervene .

KingEbukaNaija:


By making a logical fallacy ? Argumentum ad hominem . Address my point or shut up . Lol .. but please don't anyway cos I want to be entertained by more foolish talk

fr3do:
if Ananias had come out plain and say the truth when Peter asked him if the money he was presenting was the entire proceed, he probably would have lived.

TomHagen:
We have the same problem Cc: Naijadeyhia

bolt000:
You probably dont get the arguement, the judgement/repercussion for his "mere" lie is barbaric compared to other sins that were ignored by god in the bible.

KingEbukaNaija:


God is both a loving God and a consuming fire . Are you just knowing this ?

Deuteronomy 4:24
24 For the Lord your God is a consuming fire

God keeps telling us what he'll do the wicked to show you how much he hates sin .

AnonyNymous:

So god is capable of hatred?

Mrlemuel:

Though This Question Isnt Meant For Me, That Doesnt Mean That I Don't Have The Rights To Answer.
God Is Capable Of Hatred And Love, But, If Men Forsake Their Unrighteous Ways, And Accept Jesus Christ As Their Lord And Person Saviour, Then He Will Forgive Them Of Their Unrighteous Deeds.
Now If God Isn't Love, Then Why Do You Think You Woke Up To A New Day Today? That's Because He Awaits Ur Repentance.
I Am Not Holy, I Have Had My Own Shortcomings Also, Yet His Love And Grace Have Kept Me Safe.
God Is Love Because, There Was No Other Way To Redeem His Creation, But His Son[JESUS] Decided To Step In For Our Redemption.
Ananias And Sapphira Died Because Of What They Did [Lies, Betrayal, And Selfishness]

AnonyNymous:

Honestly, all I see in that story is financial responsibility. The act of donating was good, but the model was not sustainable, just like a Ponzi scheme.
*****
If your god is capable of hatred for beings that he created, beings that he already knows what they'll do and where they'll end up, then I don't know what to say

Mrlemuel:

Financial Responsibilty = Accepted, But They Were Nt Forced Or Asked To Sell It, But Still They Decided Not To Share It = Accepted. Lying To The Holy-spirit And Making A Mockery Of Him Is Not What Can Be Accepted.
As Per Your Second Statement, Genesis 6:5-6 Says; The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
vs 8-9; But Noah found favour in the eyes of the Lord. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God.

Seun:
Pastor Adeboye's recent fatwa on "whoever introduces tribalism to RCCG", which is confusing because their list of leaders shows that tribalism has already been introduced to the church, reminded me of my concerns about the morality of the Ananias and Sapphira tale.

According to Acts 20:32 - Acts 5:11, "there were no needy persons among [the Christians]. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need." This was obviously not a sustainable way to do things because eventually, all the rich people in the church would have been reduced to poverty.

Anyway, "a man named Ananias, with the consent of his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property; with his wife’s knowledge, he kept back some of the proceeds, and brought only a part and laid it at the apostles’ feet" Now there's a lot to like about this couple. First, that they were willing to lose their property to help the needy in the church. Secondly, that they consulted with each other at every step of the way, and acted as one.

But this couple retained a sense of financial responsibility, so they decided to be keep some of the proceeds of the sale for themselves, to take care of their kids, etc. However, God (or someone who knew what happened), told Peter what they had done, and Peter shamed them before the church by revealing their secret. So they cried, repented, were forgiven, and brought the rest of the money to the apostles that evening.

Haha. Just kidding. Peter, the guy who denied Jesus three times and was forgiven, had them killed by the power of the Holy Spirit of God, who is love. First he killed Ananias, and somehow nobody told his wife about his death. Then he killed Sapphira for backing up her husband.

Imagine the sorrow of the parents who brought up Ananias and Sapphira and instilled in them the values that made them successful enough to own property and pious enough to embrace Christianity. Imagine the inconsolable wailing of their kids who would now have to rely on the charity of the same church that killed both of their parents, in order to survive. Consider the eternal burning in hell that awaited the couple.

How can anyone read this story and not be horrified by it? How can you open your mouth and say "God is love" after reading this chilling tale?

naijadeyhia:
So the bible mentioned that Ananias and wife had children? Please show me where it was written.

So Peter used the holy spirit to kill Ananias? Also show me where it was written that it happened as you said it did.
... What if an autopsy had been done and discovered that Ananias and Sapphira died from shock and cardiac arrest?

Seun:
I just added a footnote that explains why that is a safe assumption unless the bible said they were newlyweds or that Sapphira was barren.


That is how I understand the passage. Regardless of how you interpret the passage, it's clear that their death was a (cruel) divine punishment.

AnonyNymous:

So in other words, you have to give the church everything you own, or nothing at all? You can't give what you can afford and keep back some to take care of yourself? Because that's what happened there.
*****
So god was sorry that he made man? Well guess what? Perfection means no regrets. Incapable of mistakes. So your Bible indirectly admitted that Yahweh isn't perfect.

Mrlemuel:

Bro, The Church Of Today Isn't Like That Of Those Days, Ananias And His Wife Weren't The Only One Who Contributed To The Church, Ananias Sinned Against The Holy Spirit From His Heart.
*******
Angels Lusted After The Daughters Of Men, And Took The Form Of Men Just To Have Carnal Knowledge Of Them, Why? Because They Were Beautiful.
When Adam Was Created, God Never Intended For Him To Fall Into Sin, All In All, When God Created Adam, He was created perfectly, until satan came to destroy that perfection through eve.
If You Create A Robot, And It Malfunctions, What Would You Do If Not Destroy It?

SirWere:

You don't get do you?

A pastor : Chosen by God.


Chosen by God supposed Chacteristics :

- Speaks gods word

- Nourishes his members

- filled with the holy spiri


- and so on



You don't obviously expect to be bombarded by daily news detailing rapes, murders, crimes et al commited by these people.


And no it's not the few "bad eggs".


Almost no week goes by where we don't hear at least 3 stories that touch perpertated by Pastors.


So what gives?




These are the pastors functions www.fggam.org/2013/06/you-are-gods-mouthpiece-to-the-world/ www.bibleanswerstand.org/pastors.htm

AnonyNymous:

If you create a robot and it malfunctions, then I destroy it? Why? Because it malfunctioned. Which means it wasn't perfect.

LordScent:







ONE WORD FOR THIS:



BLASPHEMY



AND PLEASE DONT ASK ME HOW

Pls can u point out the part that is blasphemy because everything he said is from the bible. Or is the bible blasphemy I personally think the bible is. It is a blasphemy on the human intellect.

KingEbukaNaija:


How is this Barbaric God took their lives instantly

Acts 5: 5
And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

Is it just me or isn't Seun preaching the gospel ? Thanks for reminding us what awaits the wicked /sinners in Hell . The abhorrent consequence of sin is being in Hell Fire forever .

Mrlemuel:
Financial Responsibilty = Accepted, But They Were Nt Forced Or Asked To Sell It, But Still They Decided Not To Share It = Accepted. Lying To The Holy-spirit And Making A Mockery Of Him Is Not What Can Be Accepted.

Scholar8200:
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Romans 11:22

We cant choose one and censor the other. Yes God is Love; He also is the Judge. It is interesting how folks think Love implies no correction, no chastisement for wrong doing and no intense punishment when and where it is deserved!

God gave life, it belongs to Him hence He can take it when He deems fit.

NOBODY can change this, a million posts/threads on NL by theophobes notwithstanding!

hahn:


God created good and evil so it is responsible for every good AND EVIL on earth

It is very simple logic

KingEbukaNaija:


You rejected Jesus over someone else's illogical opinions Dude , what were thinking ? Anyway its your life . If you want to see God's power , you can come to the Lord's Chosen .

What part of it is illogical whenever an xtians says something is illogical it is because it does not support their religion. And if they say something is false, it does not mean they studied it to determine if it is false it only means it does not follow their preconceived idea of what truth should be like.

Pls pay ur dues for advertising ur church Cc Seun.

jnrbayano:
Not anybody who says, "I have the holy spirit" really has it.

Not everyone who says, "I am a Pastor" is a pastor.

Jesus and what he taught/teaches is the model for a Christian.

Atheists, stop being more foolish by trying ever so hard to reduce Christians having the life and times of bad Christians as reference.

Op,

Nobody would have flogged them if they did choose to keep all the proceeds from the sale.

Yet, they pledged by association to bring them all.

They brought a part of the proceeds and lied it was all the proceed.

So anybody that lies should die Pls remind me why u are still alive, why Peter who batryed Jesus was spared (remember nobody gave the couples 3 chances as they did Peter), and pls remind me why most those corrupt religious leaders and politicians are still alive.

Scholar8200:
Darkness is the absence of Light. Evil is what is left when God withdraws from that which He created and adjudged good!