Greatihex:
it is true that he was a flop at the world cup. But, judging from some of the stats that he's got; which raumdeuter uses to judge him always, what do we now say concerning stats?
Remember, his two assists were match winning assists in two different games and it helped them qualify for the next round.

Well... I think this is a time for celebrating your loss. So, that one go be later things.

Nihilist:
Stoke conceding 2 from set pieces in quick succession.

Mark Hughes has un-Stoked Stoke City...

Marc Wilson claimed Stoke have never spent one minute training on defence in 2 years before Mark Hughes got pissed and sold him.

Their defence done cast finish sotay one of my sure FPL strategies is to pick players facing Stoke that week.

airmark:

You are a goat. so we cant rate players in same team if their team did nt get to finals, right? Chelseafan1 this is the reason you should n't let your son start secondary school only when he has started growing moustache. I asked him if iniesta is an unproductive midfielder, he side-stepped it, because he did n't want ibime to come for his already-hammered head. Just a yes or no question, the dolt ducked.

Only an eternal dolt would be asking if a player who was CL final, World cup final, Euro final MOTM is unproductive. That type of question can only be coming from a NAFDAC certified mumu like you

Nihilist:
I'd rather have KDB than Hazard in my team these days though...

That being said, nobody in this life can say that Hazard is 'visionlesss mugu' in public without fear of collecting a dirty slap from a random passerby.

Just watching how Hazard assisted that Matic assist vs Pool alone lasaan is enough to put that line of thinking to bed.

Hazard registered 11 EPL assists in his debut season, which was the second highest in the league.

The next season, Hazard created 93 chances, the highest number in the league

The next season, Hazard created 100 chances, AGAIN the highest number in the league.

Last season was an Anomaly.

This season he is playing under a very defensive minded coach.

KDB is very sharp and intelligent, but he also benefits from playing under an attacking minded coach, with some very attacking players. Put Hazard in that team instead of say Nolito or Sterling and you will be ejakulating non-stop when you watch City play.

KDB is a superb playmaker. Hazard is something completely different.

See common sense! This is not available to many. What is the point comparing both players? Completely different elements.




Meanwhile, once upon a time, one dude like this had both players in his team. Could have built anything he wanted. He could not see beyond his defensive blocks, sold one of them and turned the other into a full-time sprinter on the counter.

When I was complaining about the "method of play" over and over, dem say I dey write epistle. You cannot build a dynasty when your first approach to football is preventing the opposition from playing.

I dey vex ehn?

Ibime:


Marc Wilson claimed Stoke have never spent one minute training on defence in 2 years before Mark Hughes got pissed and sold him.

Their defence done cast finish sotay one of my sure FPL strategies is to pick players facing Stoke that week.

It was thar very comment that made me start targeting Stoke in FPL.

Benteke is just dulling me today.

nateevs:



See common sense! This is not available to many. What is the point comparing both players? Completely different elements.




Meanwhile, once upon a time, one dude like this had both players in his team. Could have built anything he wanted. He could not see beyond his defensive blocks, sold one of them and turned the other into a full-time sprinter on the counter.

When I was complaining about the "method of play" over and over, dem say I dey write epistle. You cannot build a dynasty when your first approach to football is preventing the opposition from playing.

I dey vex ehn?

I was just waiting for you...

Nihilist:




I was just waiting for you...

Hehehe.

Nihilist:


Stop yarning opaks abeg...

Which of our centrebacks is Christensen better than?

Which of our AMs is Musonda better than?

On what basis?

Which of our center backs is better than Christensen.... What are you even saying,like it's even arguable?!

Stop yarning dust, A sleepy Musonda is better than Willian and Pedro....No be rocket science

Answer the question yourself,apart from Power and running up and down like a pendulum Bob,is there anything a winger needs that Willian or Pedro possess more than Musonda

Creativity?
Dribbles?
Passing?
Intelligence? (Which is the most important and which they lack in abundance)

Abeg abeg abeg

nateevs:



See common sense! This is not available to many. What is the point comparing both players? Completely different elements.




Meanwhile, once upon a time, one dude like this had both players in his team. Could have built anything he wanted. He could not see beyond his defensive blocks, sold one of them and turned the other into a full-time sprinter on the counter.

When I was complaining about the "method of play" over and over, dem say I dey write epistle. You cannot build a dynasty when your first approach to football is preventing the opposition from playing.

I dey vex ehn?

it seems like this thing is beginning to make more sense. We really need to look into our style of play as a club so that we can hire the right coaches for the job.

raumdeuter:


Only an eternal dolt would be asking if a player who was CL final, World cup final, Euro final MOTM is unproductive. That type of question can only be coming from a NAFDAC certified mumu like you

So ibime was wrong claiming iniesta is an unproductive midfielder fvck goals/assists per appearance stats, right ?. That's good, we are getting somewhere. Then only a dumbass like you would call a player who was adjudged by FIFA (football world governing body), as the 8th best player in the world out of millions of footballers on earth, by uefa as 6th best, by epl as the best player, by chelsea fc as best player, by france fa as best player, a fraud and a useless player. Fixed !!!

raumdeuter:


Hazard is a fraud,

And Stoke chop another one...

The ghost of Pulis well and truly banished from the Britannia

bigkesh:

Which of our center backs is better than Christensen.... What are you even saying,like it's even arguable?!

Stop yarning dust, A sleepy Musonda is better than Willian and Pedro....No be rocket science

Answer the question yourself,apart from Power and running up and down like a pendulum Bob,is there anything a winger needs that Willian or Pedro possess more than Musonda

Creativity?
Dribbles?
Passing?
Intelligence? (Which is the most important and which they lack in abundance)

Abeg abeg abeg

As for me and my household, Musonda first.

Meanwhile, Jeremie Boga is already close to being the best player Granada already. He's walked into the side this season, literally. Debuted as a left winger, dude now is their playmaker in midfield..... and growing.

One day, very soon, it will be criminal to deny the sheer amount of talent from the youth team. Before then, me I dey siddon look mode. I don't have 'many power' to argue. One of them will break through very soon.

By the way, I am still looking for someone, anyone, who knew Rashford was ready before that very first game.

Lmao 4-0

bigkesh:

Which of our center backs is better than Christensen.... What are you even saying,like it's even arguable?!

Stop yarning dust, A sleepy Musonda is better than Willian and Pedro....No be rocket science

Answer the question yourself,apart from Power and running up and down like a pendulum Bob,is there anything a winger needs that Willian or Pedro possess more than Musonda

Creativity?
Dribbles?
Passing?
Intelligence? (Which is the most important and which they lack in abundance)

Abeg abeg abeg

How many starts does Musonda have at Betts this season?

How many minutes has he played?

Let's start from there...

Then perhaps you can start explaining how Musonda who has played less that 15 full matches of professional football in his entire life, and has only 1 goal and 1 assist to his name in his professional career is better than Pedro, Oscar, Willian or even Victor Moses...

I don't want to say that you are dumb, but if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

nateevs:





As for me and my household, Musonda first.

Meanwhile, Jeremie Boga is already close to being the best player Granada already. He's walked into the side this season, literally. Debuted as a left winger, dude now is their playmaker in midfield..... and growing.

One day, very soon, it will be criminal to deny the sheer amount of talent from the youth team. Before then, me I dey siddon look mode. I don't 'many power' to argue. One of them will break through very soon.

By the way, I am still looking for someone, anyone, who knew Rashford was ready before that very first game.

Let me remind you about Rashfords breakthrough...

Scored a brace on his debut in Europe.

Scored a brace and copped an Assist against ARSENAL in his EPL debut.

Scored on his England debut

This was not a guy begging for chances. He came in and Forced LVG's hand.

Compare that to all the 'give them time' dross that we've sent on to the pitch, and you will realise that it is almost criminal to compare the likes of Solanke and Abraham to Rashford.

- Marcus Rashford (10) has scored more goals (all comps) for Manchester
United than any other player since his debut in February 2016.....

This is not the type of ninja you give chance to play till dy adopt, they come in when necessary and make things happen. same as iheanacho..

Nihilist:


Let me remind you about Rashfords breakthrough...

Scored a brace on his debut in Europe.

Scored a brace and copped an Assist against ARSENAL in his EPL debut.

Scored on his England debut

This was not a guy begging for chances. He came in and Forced LVG's hand.

Compare that to all the 'give them time' dross that we've sent on to the pitch, and you will realise that it is almost criminal to compare the likes of Solanke and Abraham to Rashford.

You have it backwards. You are telling us what Rashford went on to do. I am asking for someone who knew he was going to do what he went on to do; before he did it. You get?

Meanwhile, forget this season. Musonda went on loan to Betis in January 2016 and ended with 14 apps. He was MOTM on his debut and ended being recognised as one of the best players in the team.

No need to kill him with stats of this season. Because in May 2016, Betis appointed a new Manager in Gus Poyet, who doesn't seem to want to play a loan player first.

You see?

nateevs:



You have it backwards. You are telling us what Rashford went on to do. I am asking for someone who knew he was going to do what he went on to do; before he did it. You get?

Meanwhile, forget this season. Musonda went on loan to Betis in January 2016 and ended with 14 apps. He was MOTM on his debut and ended being recognised as one of the best players in the team.

No need to kill him with stats of this season. Because in May 2016, Betis appointed a new Manager in Gus Poyet, who doesn't seem to want to play a loan player first.

You see?

Who knew that Pogba would be so crap on his triumphant return to Manchester? The answer is the same for your question...Nobody.

Only a soothsayer would have know that Rashford wold go on to score 4 goals in his first two games for United.

As with any player, the manager sent Rashford on the first time, and watched him to see if he would do anything that would justify a second appearance...and a third, and so on...

After all, the same manager that blooded Rashford also gave chances to the likes of Blackett, Mcnair, Borthwick et al...none of which are at the club today.

Now many of our youth have been given some playing time, how many of them have taken their chances?

Who cares if Musonda was MOTM one day at Betis? What has he done since then?

You mean that there could not be a footballing reason why a player with only 1 goal and 1 assist in his professional career cannot make the Real Betis 1st team?

Why would any manager prefer to play a 35 year old Joaquin over a young superstar? It's not like Joaquin has a distinguished history or pedigree. Joaquin is not Zlatan.

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Greatihex:
it seems like this thing is beginning to make more sense. We really need to look into our style of play as a club so that we can hire the right coaches for the job.

This is one of the reasons Barça excel. There need to be a set standard, a predefined pattern of play, a blueprint of how the team should play like, then also the need to hire a manager with similar ideology.

dmcdad:

This is one of the reasons Barça excel. There need to be a set standard, a predefined pattern of play, a blueprint of how the team should play like, then also the need to hire a manager with similar ideology.

Am sure,
Having the best player in the world has nothing to do with it all.

SIRcumalot:
Am sure,
Having the best player in the world has nothing to do with it all.

When Messi is out they still dominant and still win

raumdeuter:


When Messi is out they still dominant and still win

Power draws power.

If he included the presence of the best player in the world alongside those buzzwords.i look away.

Nihilist:


How many starts does Musonda have at Betts this season?
How many minutes has he played?

Let's start from there...

Then perhaps you can start explaining how Musonda who has played less that 15 full matches of professional football in his entire life, and has only 1 goal and 1 assist to his name in his professional career is better than Pedro, Oscar, Willian or even Victor Moses...

I don't want to say that you are dumb, but if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

Statistically Willian is the best player from the list you mentioned so I will compare Willian and Musonda stats



Passing-
Willian has a 92% pass accuracy of which just 48% were forward passes
Musonda has an accuracy of 83%,63% of which are forward passes

Chances created-
Willian has created 17 chances in about 320 minutes,that's 0.05 per min....Then when you consider this donkey has been taking our set pieces you realise the chances from open play can't be more than 4 or 3 in about 320 mins,that's like 0.0125 per min

Musonda has created 5 chances from open play in about 150 mins ,that's 0.03 per min

Duels won
The ever hardworking Willian has won 51% of his duels
Musonda has won 52%

You can say it's misleading because Willian has been involved in more duels but it shows Musonda is not a passenger

Dribbles-
Don't know much about this season but last season in 14 apps Musonda completed 57 dribbles,only Neymar managed to do better in LA liga during that period

Throughout last season which Willian played 30+ league games he completed 75....Do the math





I don't even want to mention that one played with Hazard,Fabregas ,Mata and co while the only class player the other ever played with is Castro


By the way,considering you watch and rate Lukaku,Coquelin and Chambers then I am happy it looks like a duck to you cause that means it is anything but a duck


PS- Not sure if the stats are 100% accurate but they definitely around the same figures

Nihilist:


Who knew that Pogba would be so crap on his triumphant return to Manchester? The answer is the same for your question...Nobody.

Only a soothsayer would have know that Rashford wold go on to score 4 goals in his first two games for United.

As with any player, the manager sent Rashford on the first time, and watched him to see if he would do anything that would justify a second appearance...and a third, and so on...

After all, the same manager that blooded Rashford also gave chances to the likes of Blackett, Mcnair, Borthwick et al...none of which are at the club today.

Now many of our youth have been given some playing time, how many of them have taken their chances?

Who cares if Musonda was MOTM one day at Betis? What has he done since then?

You mean that there could not be a footballing reason why a player with only 1 goal and 1 assist in his professional career cannot make the Real Betis 1st team?

Why would any manager prefer to play a 35 year old Joaquin over a young superstar? It's not like Joaquin has a distinguished history or pedigree. Joaquin is not Zlatan.

What has Joaquin got to do with anything? Joaquin had 30 apps for Betis last season, still, Musonda had 14 apps (Can't check how many were starts. I am a busy man these days). So your statement about Joaquin playing ahead of Musonda is inaccurate.

Poyet is a new guy, like Conte, who is aiming for stability and being cautious on the experimental front. Different from Juan Merino who didn't have anything to lose. However, as always, if the player is not playing, with you Nihilist, it's a problem with the young player. This is why I keep telling you the loan system is not as simple as ABC.

I am surprised you are asking what Musonda did after his first MOTM. Look for Betis fans around, they will tell you. He was not polished by any means. He is not a striker. So I don't expect him to score much yet. His game is still very raw and still has huge tendencies to confuse the 'flamboyant' for 'crucial' but the talent is extremely undeniable. And Betis fans will tell you, no player in their side was more of a threat. Extremely crucial to Betis' second half of the campaign.

Read what people were saying about Musonda two months in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3476745/Meet-Charly-Musonda-Jnr-Chelsea-loanee-cult-hero-Spain.html

nateevs:



What has Joaquin got to do with anything? Joaquin had 30 apps for Betis last season, still, Musonda had 14 apps (Can't check how many were starts. I am a busy man these days). So your statement about Joaquin playing ahead of Musonda is inaccurate.

Joaquin is a 35 year old winger. If Betis had a better alternative, they would play him.

Alex Alegria is on loan from Barca...he's been given more minutes than Musonda which is hardly surprising given that he scored a brace in his last game.

Wilshere walked right into Bournemouth 1st team. Bony and Martins Indi straight into Stoke. Jason Denayer staright into Sunderland, yet you people keep perpetuating this myth of 'he's on loan so he won't play'

I am surprised you are asking what Musonda did after his first MOTM. Look for Betis fans around, they will tell you. He was not polished by any means. He is not a striker. So I don't expect him to score much yet. His game is still very raw and still has huge tendencies to confuse the 'flamboyant' for 'crucial' but the talent is extremely undeniable. And Betis fans will tell you, no player in their side was more of a threat. Extremely crucial to Betis' second half of the campaign.

I don't have to post an obscure article to defend Rashford's exploits. You already know what he has been doing steadily...he did it again today!

Like I said, you can't compare a guy who had ONE GOOD game at a midtable Spanish team to a guy who is tearing up trees at England's historically most prestigious clubs on his debut

Are you not the one always saying that Lukaku who has already scored over 100 career goals aged 23 can't make it at Chelsea because teams 'setup differently' when playing against us....but yet this guy with only 13 career starts in his life, and only 2 goals to his name, this guy who can't make the team at Real Freaking Betis while competing with 2 35 year old wingers and 2 of his age mates as new signings...

This is the guy that is good enough for Chelsea 1st team?

Lemme just leave it there.

bigkesh:



Statistically Willian is the best player from the list you mentioned so I will compare Willian and Musonda stats



Passing-
Willian has a 92% pass accuracy of which just 48% were forward passes
Musonda has an accuracy of 83%,63% of which are forward passes

Chances created-
Willian has created 17 chances in about 320 minutes,that's 0.05 per min....Then when you consider this donkey has been taking our set pieces you realise the chances from open play can't be more than 4 or 3 in about 320 mins,that's like 0.0125 per min

Musonda has created 5 chances from open play in about 150 mins ,that's 0.03 per min

Duels won
The ever hardworking Willian has won 51% of his duels
Musonda has won 52%

You can say it's misleading because Willian has been involved in more duels but it shows Musonda is not a passenger

Dribbles-
Don't know much about this season but last season in 14 apps Musonda completed 57 dribbles,only Neymar managed to do better in LA liga during that period

Throughout last season which Willian played 30+ league games he completed 75....Do the math

Willian vs Musonda last season with ALL statistics taken into conclusion.

And Willian is the unproductive donkey.

By the way,considering you watch and rate Lukaku,Coquelin and Chambers then I am happy it looks like a duck to you cause that means it is anything but a duck

You say a lot of reetarded things, but this takes the cake.

Lukaku of 100+ career goals, Lukaku who has scored a minimum of 17 goals in all comps per season since coming to the UK, Lukaku who scored 25goals last season, and 20 the season before, Lukaku that is currently 4 for 4 right now, is the one I shouldn't rate.

Coquelin who is a very good midfielder and currently keeping his 35m rival on the bench is the one I should not rate?

So who should I rate? RLC? Bamford? Boga? Solanke?

Nihilist:


Joaquin is a 35 year old winger. If Betis had a better alternative, they would play him.

Alex Alegria is on loan from Barca...he's been given more minutes than Musonda which is hardly surprising given that he scored a brace in his last game.

Wilshere walked right into Bournemouth 1st team. Bony and Martins Indi straight into Stoke. Jason Denayer staright into Sunderland, yet you people keep perpetuating this myth of 'he's on loan so he won't play'



I don't have to post an obscure article to defend Rashford's exploits. You already know what he has been doing steadily...he did it again today!

Like I said, you can't compare a guy who had ONE GOOD game at a midtable Spanish team to a guy who is tearing up trees at England's historically most prestigious clubs on his debut

Are you not the one always saying that Lukaku who has already scored over 100 career goals aged 23 can't make it at Chelsea because teams 'setup differently' when playing against us....but yet this guy with only 13 career starts in his life, and only 2 goals to his name, this guy who can't make the team at Real Freaking Betis while competing with 2 35 year old wingers and 2 of his age mates as new signings...

This is the guy that is good enough for Chelsea 1st team?

Lemme just leave it there.

Christ on a bike. Why do you argue like? Your propensity to obscure the specifics is outstanding. Okay let's do this.

1. Alex is not on loan from Barca. Alex is a Betis player. He's 23, went on loan and is back. Why should Poyet build his team around Musonda who Chelsea can recall anytime?

2. Loans come with all manners of clauses. The most important of all is the "option to make permanent". This clause usually governs how loan players are treated. When a club has a young player in a position and they think they can develop, they don't have to develop others.

3. Clubs loan specific some players who they know are "DEFINITELY" better than what they currently have. In this scenarios, the loan fees are higher and the status of the player is already a known quantity before the player joins. Very different scenario from when say, Colkett, an unknown quantity in senior football, joins on loan. This is the fundamental principle behind why Wilshere Bony and Indi are playing. And this is no justification for dispelling how 18/19-year olds are treated by the same system. I mean seriously? Is there an idiot on earth who thought that Wislhere will not walk into the Bournemouth side? Seriously?

4. You don't need articles for Rashford because he scored goals. If he was a defender or midfielder, you will be asking the same questions about him. So all those hailing Musonda in the articles are idiots like ourselves? Really?


5. Lukaku's case is very specific. And it is has got to do with his technique in tight spaces. This is a valid point. End of Story.


6. First, you said he is not playing. We told you he had 14 apps last season. I showed how he was their best player. I shared an article that also shows you how they went 5 games unbeaten after he joined and that he was very instrumental to their campaign. The article also told you about fans making masks of him to games and chanting his name. Yet you have come back saying he cannot make it at Betis.


7. What is actually so funny about your line of argument is the circumstance surrounding Rashford's announcement on the scene. If Van Gaal, succeeded in getting his strikers scoring last season and Rashford never got to play, you would have said Rashford is not good enough is why he is not playing . If a United fan had told you 2 months earlier that this dude is the real deal and that given a chance, he should be starting for United next season, you would hve called that person an idiot. Meanwhile, all along, he was good enough to play for United.


I go revert to siddon look mode. Very soon though, you go see.

nateevs:



Christ on a bike. Why do you argue like? Your propensity to obscure the specifics is outstanding. Okay let's do this.

1. Alex is not on loan from Barca. Alex is a Betis player. He's 23, went on loan and is back. Why should Poyet build his team around Musonda who Chelsea can recall anytime?

2. Loans come with all manners of clauses. The most important of all is the "option to make permanent". This clause usually governs how loan players are treated. When a club has a young player in a position and they think they can develop, they don't have to develop others.

3. Clubs loan specific some players who they know are "DEFINITELY" better than what they currently have. In this scenarios, the loan fees are higher and the status of the player is already a known quantity before the player joins. Very different scenario from when say, Colkett, an unknown quantity in senior football, joins on loan. This is the fundamental principle behind why Wilshere Bony and Indi are playing. And this is no justification for dispelling how 18/19-year olds are treated by the same system. I mean seriously? Is there an idiot on earth who thought that Wislhere will not walk into the Bournemouth side? Seriously?

4. You don't need articles for Rashford because he scored goals. If he was a defender or midfielder, you will be asking the same questions about him. So all those hailing Musonda in the articles are idiots like ourselves? Really?


5. Lukaku's case is very specific. And it is has got to do with his technique in tight spaces. This is a valid point. End of Story.


6. First you said he is not playing. We told you he had 14 apps last season. I showed how he was their best player. I shared an article that also shows you how they went 5 games unbeaten after he joined and that he was very instrumental to their campaign. The article also told you about fans making masks of him to games and chanting his name. Yet you have come back saying he cannot make it at Betis.


I go revert to siddon look mode. Very soon though, you go see.

I don't think you understand what the argument was about at all.

Good night.

Nihilist:


I don't think you understand what the argument was about at all.

Good night.

I like to believe I have been on point. I believe you think you are having the same argument with myself and Bigkesh.

Please who saw the goal Papy Djiboloji gifted Kane. I swear, those that bought Papy to wear our colours are not capable of anything..

Hope he is not on loan.?

SIRcumalot:

Am sure,
Having the best player in the world has nothing to do with it all.

Of course having the best player has a lot to do with the success the club has achieved over the years, yet, the system provides the platform for the best player in the world to thrive on. No? Look at Argentina and look at Barça then you would get a clear picture of what I am saying.