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Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by nwamehn: 2:43am On Jul 12, 2017
koboko69:


So Arabic teachers plenty pass French. Make una kontinu. French was almost like compulsory all Tru my sec sch....and I know it's same for many others. It's now Arabic was introduced that French teachers are now scarce. Ok na

French was never compulsory during my school days, it was always optional. Even at that, nobody should be compelled to offer it if the person doesn't want, just because the school lacks the teachers. Same should go with Arabic. In that curriculum, they said it's minimum of 9 subjects but maximum of 10 subjects but there ar only 10 subjects there meaning that students would be found in a situation where they ar to choose between French and Arabic after they must have selected the other more important eight subjects. This puts them in a situation where they would have to choose between French and Arabic. English, Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba and even Arabic teachers abound everywhere. There ar so many graduates that studied these courses and can teach the students to any level even up to SSCE level, an average imam can teach Arabic so well to any level, so Arabic teachers also abound, but we can't say same for French. French secondary school teachers ar very scarce, even during our school days, we used to have only one teacher for the whole junior classes in the school that offer French.
See the solution, let the ministry of education bring back CRK and IRS as separate subjects and still maintain National Values or Civic education as a separate subject, thereby bringing the total number of subjects for JSS level for instance to 12. Then let them still make it that students can offer minimum of 9 subjects. U will see that non-muslim students will have CRK to select and avoid French and Arabic, and Muslim students who school in places that there ar no Arabic but only IRS teachers can easily select IRS and complete their nine subjects without being compelled to offer French.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by koboko69: 2:59am On Jul 12, 2017
nwamehn:


French was never compulsory during my school days, it was always optional. Even at that, nobody should be compelled to offer it if the person doesn't want, just because the school lacks the teachers. Same should go with Arabic. In that curriculum, they said it's minimum of 9 subjects but maximum of 10 subjects but there ar only 10 subjects there meaning that students would be found in a situation where they ar to choose between French and Arabic after they must have selected the other more important eight subjects. This puts them in a situation where they would have to choose between French and Arabic. English, Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba and even Arabic teachers abound everywhere. There ar so many graduates that studied these courses and can teach the students to any level even up to SSCE level, an average imam can teach Arabic so well to any level, so Arabic teachers also abound, but we can't say same for French. French secondary school teachers ar very scarce, even during our school days, we used to have only one teacher for the whole junior classes in the school that offer French.
See the solution, let the ministry of education bring back CRK and IRS as separate subjects and still maintain National Values or Civic education as a separate subject, thereby bringing the total number of subjects for JSS level for instance to 12. Then let them still make it that students can offer minimum of 9 subjects. U will see that non-muslim students will have CRK to select and avoid French and Arabic, and Muslim students who school in places that there ar no Arabic but only IRS teachers can easily select IRS and complete their nine subjects without being compelled to offer French.

So there are more graduates in Arabic and other languages than French in Nigeria? Lol
Be lying to yourself.
In b/w u can never know how to speak or write French or Arabic fluently by just the preambles tot in sec schs so what's the fuss about if I may ask?
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by nwamehn: 3:13am On Jul 12, 2017
koboko69:


So there are more graduates in Arabic and other languages than French in Nigeria? Lol
Be lying to yourself.
In b/w u can never know how to speak or write French or Arabic fluently by just the preambles tot in sec schs so what's the fuss about if I may ask?

The fuss is about the fact that based on our religious sentiments right here in Nigeria, an average christian wouldn't desire that his or her child studies Arabic as a subject same way it won't make any sense to a an average muslim having his children studying Hebrew. Nigeria is divided across religious lines and we ar very sensitive to religion, so any leader should always take note of that in policy making and implementation.
Now regarding scarcity of teachers, have u ever heard an imam speak Arabic? Seriously u would think it's his mother tongue. But it's certainly not the same with French. So many teachers of English, Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa abound, we all can speak these tongues so fluently but same can never be said of French.
Besides, what stops them from expanding the subject options to 12 including CRK and IRS so that students can select their nine subjects and damn Arabic and French, if there was no fuss? If they can't do it this way and solve all these issues once and for all, then e mean say they know wetin they de find.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by Ladyjumong(f): 3:45am On Jul 12, 2017
Better! tongue
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by Deyemith: 3:53am On Jul 12, 2017
You said this because you want him to come out and act personally, my friend that is not the way to take substantive decision in govt. Kudo to him and Dogara
NwaAmaikpe:
shocked


Osinbanjo is a failure
Osinbanjo is a puppet
Osinbanjo is an embarrassment to Christians
Osinbanjo is a rubberstamp
Osinbanjo is a toy
Osinbanjo is truly like Awo


Thanks to the House of Reps for thwarting the subtle islamization of Nigeria
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by joy2000: 4:51am On Jul 12, 2017
whatever anything anyone may say and regardless of your chronic hatered against Islam this great religion of Islam will continue to reign forever. you people that are trying to black mail Islam you are just deceiving yourself. This is a divine light that can never be quenched by the its enemy.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by Nobody: 7:09am On Jul 12, 2017
OgaBuhari:
Yoruba Muslim. Na so the thing pain you reach?

Your islamization plans have failed.

You must b insane and bereft of senses for u to call me a Muslim....
Stupid fool!!!
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by saintmark88(m): 7:10am On Jul 12, 2017
linearity:


The legislators are vested with the constitutional powers to give the executive guidelines and even make new laws that restricts or limits or directs what the executives does.

If as it may, the executive had a broad powers in this arena, the legislators can pass new laws to limit those powers.

Oga u r wrong, wen an executive decision is taking, only d judiciary can halt that decision. Case study is d Trump's travel ban. The legislature cannot do work for the executive, if the legislature is doing the executive work, den u r saying they are more powerful than the executive. Whatever they av agreed on this matter is only an advisory position. The executive decision still stands
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by saintmark88(m): 7:16am On Jul 12, 2017
This stand of the legislature doesn't change d executive decision. The rep is playing to d gallery to make u guys believe they r on d side of Nigerians on this issue. cos they know they can use this issue to pacify religious bigots while at d same time promote a bill to legitimize stealing and keep d bigots n abject penury.

They make u fight a war that's not there, so tht they have what to use to distract u from d stealing and a lot of pple fall for it.

The role of d legislature is not to trample on executive decisions, their stand on this issue is not a bill, its just their collective opinion on the issue. Has no effect on d decision of the NERDC.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by mapet: 8:06am On Jul 12, 2017
linearity:


This is one childish post from you and if you are mature enough, I believe you know it...

Part II, Section 5.1(a) & (b) of the Nigeria Constitution states:

"5.1 Subject to the provisions of this Constitution, the Executive powers of the federation:

(a) shall be vested in the President and may subject as aforesaid and to the provisions of any law made by the National Assembly, be exercised by him either directly or through the Vice-President and Ministers of the Government of the Federation or officers in the public service of the federation; and

(b) shall extend to the execution and maintenance of this Constitution, all laws made by the National Assembly and to all matters with respect to which the National Assembly has, for the time being, power to make laws.

From the above, it is clear to any one with common sense that, the Legislators made laws that the Executive must follow/execute and they can amend those laws thereafter to either expand, limit, restrict, modify, etc what the executive must then follow/execute.

......and when you relate the section of the constitution you quoted, it tells you that the National Assemblies have powers to give "executive guidelines" and to "make laws that restrict what the executive does"? How do some of you lot process?
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by DarkHenrie(m): 8:21am On Jul 12, 2017
So what happens now? Is this move binding on the ministry of education or those in charge of setting up curriculum?
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by luluman: 9:14am On Jul 12, 2017
LUGBE:
Good development
We don win. Shame on them.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by Wolfbrother(m): 11:29am On Jul 12, 2017
NwaAmaikpe:
shocked


Osinbanjo is a failure
Osinbanjo is a puppet
Osinbanjo is an embarrassment to Christians
Osinbanjo is a rubberstamp
Osinbanjo is a toy
Osinbanjo is truly like Awo


Thanks to the House of Reps for thwarting the subtle islamization of Nigeria

Looking through your posts, you must be a very bitter person in real life...
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by bencarson007(m): 11:38am On Jul 12, 2017
veraponpo:


Vanguard should stop misleading people in the name of business or whatever that pushes them to do this.

This policy was made under Jonathan in 2014 and Buhari has not even touched it at all.

I pity people playing politics of religion and ethnicity. Nothing destroys places like wildfire like religion and ethnicity politics.

When it starts, even the facilitators wont be able to quench it. Boko Haram, Al qeada, Al shubab, Biafra, etc are good examples. Even Ojukwu ran away when the problem got to the crescendo.

Jonathan saw the stupidity in the recommendation to scrap CRK and did not implement it... And by the way,to all of you screaming that Jonathan perfected it, since when has Buhari started to run a government of continuity from where GEJ stopped ?
Abeg swerve joor
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by 9Ace: 11:46am On Jul 12, 2017
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Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by Amah91(m): 5:33pm On Jul 12, 2017
Bubu so you wanted to test our Christian faith? na your God for punish you
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by UnchangeableGod: 7:12pm On Jul 12, 2017
VISTIN:
They did that in their best interest. It doesn't call for jubilation. Jesus Christ rules the world. The Nigerian government and their so-called president would have ended up fighting God.

Nobody will want to see the result.

In 1st Samuel 2:25, Eli told his son, "if a man offends his fellow man, he can run to God for safety. But if a man offends God, where will he run to"?
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by UnchangeableGod: 7:28pm On Jul 12, 2017
veraponpo:


Vanguard should stop misleading people in the name of business or whatever that pushes them to do this.

This policy was made under Jonathan in 2014 and Buhari has not even touched it at all.

I pity people playing politics of religion and ethnicity. Nothing destroys places like wildfire like religion and ethnicity politics.

When it starts, even the facilitators wont be able to quench it. Boko Haram, Al qeada, Al shubab, Biafra, etc are good examples. Even Ojukwu ran away when the problem got to the crescendo.
I think it is very callous and mischievous of you to lump Boko Haram, All qeada and
Al shubab etc with Biafra. Biafra wants to be a sovereign country and is not after shedding blood simple. You know this but decided to vomit your typical propaganda and fear mongering. It cannot stop Biafra from exiting Nigeria peaceful. May God grant peaceful secession to those who desire it and war to those.............in Jesus' name,
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by UnchangeableGod: 7:37pm On Jul 12, 2017
ivolt:


Clueless reps, what I expected was the expunging of both CRK and Arabic
Studies.
If those subjects were effective in teaching morals, we won't have a national assembly filled
with looters.

Time is ticking while our reps are partying.
With due respect sir, I don't think you made any sense. You can as well ask that English Language and Mathematics be expunged since most English graduates cannot speak correct English grammar and some Mathematics graduates cannot solve simple arithmetic.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by UnchangeableGod: 8:10pm On Jul 12, 2017
Skubidude:


Lol. He does not want to be seen as a bigot. If na u nko
But seriously that's the diff btw Christianity and Islam, we don't fight for our religious right wen there is a clear case of injustice and oppression. We simply invite God to fight for Himself, and he just did. Light does not need to struggle with darkness, when it shines, darkness must bow. Simple.
Bravo, you made sense.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by ivolt: 8:16pm On Jul 12, 2017
UnchangeableGod:
With due respect sir, I don't think you made any sense. You can as well ask that English Language and Mathematics be expunged since most English graduates cannot speak correct English grammar and some Mathematics graduates cannot solve simple arithmetic.

I don't expect you to understand, my post was directed at those who
can see beyond their nose.

The aim of teaching english has been achieved when the student can understand
basic english with mathematics, even the dullest student apply its principles
to their daily financial transactions.
It is unfortunate that you think mathematics is about solving arithmetic
while english is just about correct grammar.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by UnchangeableGod: 8:22pm On Jul 12, 2017
ivolt:


Survival instinct is no conscience, every human has it and politician
have more of it.
In my world view when something don't serve any useful purpose
it must be discarded, you can't justify a policy based on the imaginary
consequence of not having it.

Sir, for your information, CRK as a subject only makes people knowledgeable about God from the biblical point of view. It does not make anyone a Christian. One's life of sin can only stop as a result of encounter with Christ, the only Saviour.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by UnchangeableGod: 8:28pm On Jul 12, 2017
ivolt:


I don't expect you to understand, my post was directed at those who
can see beyond their nose.

The aim of teaching english has been achieved when the student can understand
basic english with mathematics, even the dullest student apply its principles
to their daily financial transactions.
It is unfortunate that you think mathematics is about solving arithmetic
while english is just about correct grammar.

Following your logic, the aim of religious studies is to make people knowledgeable about God and His ways which people can choose to research on for knowledge sake. It is not meant to stop sin and corruption, only Christ in man can. So it doesn't need expunging due to increase in societal vices.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by ivolt: 9:13pm On Jul 12, 2017
UnchangeableGod:
Following your logic, the aim of religious studies is to make people knowledgeable about God and His ways which people can choose to research on for knowledge sake. It is not meant to stop sin and corruption, only Christ in man can. So it doesn't need expunging due to increase in societal vices.

How does the knowledge improve the lives of the students ?
Why are religious bodies fighting for what doesn't make one a christian ?
What are the functions of sunday schools ?
Why waste money on a fruitless subject ?

All I see are lazy parents outsourcing their duties to government.

Until we concentrate on getting results and discarding sentimental
but useless project we will keep going round in a circle.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by Organs(m): 9:35pm On Jul 12, 2017
OgaBuhari:
where did you fetch all these trash from?

"fetch" chairman the google is your friend, google it naaa, haba must you remain in this pathetic state of idiocy, buffoonery, illiteracy Ipob-acy, kanucrazy and hopelessness?
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by Organs(m): 9:39pm On Jul 12, 2017
PreyingMantis:
Senseless long story... #Islamabad

E pain am, danboroubaa shege. I leave the Dubai and Qatar own for another day......
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by Nobody: 2:07am On Jul 13, 2017
Good
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by OgaBuhari: 10:44am On Jul 13, 2017
zxcvb:


I must be very stupid and insane and bereft of senses for being a Yoruba Muslim....
I'm a Stupid fool!!!
ehya
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by Nobody: 10:57am On Jul 13, 2017
[quote authwor=OgaBuhari post=58409411] eeya [/quotwe]
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by UnchangeableGod: 8:53pm On Jul 14, 2017
ivolt:


How does the knowledge improve the lives of the students ?
Why are religious bodies fighting for what doesn't make one a christian ?
What are the functions of sunday schools ?
Why waste money on a fruitless subject ?

All I see are lazy parents outsourcing their duties to government.

Until we concentrate on getting results and discarding sentimental
but useless project we will keep going round in a circle.
Religious Studies is voluntary. We are in s free society. No one forces you or your ward to study it. You should not also force anyone not to study it. Don't be an irreligious fanatic. Thanks.
Re: House Of Representatives Returns CRK As Independent Subject by FactualSpeech: 9:58am On Jul 16, 2017
Iamzik:


Needless policy change in the first place.
What us wrong with the previous curriculum where you simply choose between CRK and IRK?

This is what you get when you attempt to complicate things unnecessarily.

So if IRK and CRK is under civic education as one subject then who will teach that subject? Christian or Moslem teacher? How will the exam be set? Will a Muslim be asked to answer CRK question? Who will mark it? Will a Christian teacher mark IRK exam?
What does he know about Islam? Religion is beyond academic exercise. It's a believe, a conviction.

The house did the right thing. No need to complicate things.

I will like to make it clear that I don't have any problem with what the house did neither am I in support or against the change by NERDC, I am mainly concerned about the way it is being presented by the media and whoever is propagating it.
you will agree with me that the country is very volatile and we need to be very careful when it comes to matters of the religion knowing fully well that people these days don't go into research to know if what they were told is true or not.
CAN and co made the news with it by saying Buhari "the already tagged bigot"'s administration proposed and implemented it under a Muslim northerner as the education minister just as they did my Pastor Adeboye's resignation and the implementation of a law passed by the house and upheld by the court which was being enforced by a Christian. That alone is enough to add more fuel to the already burning fire of hatred between the acclaimed followers of both religion. There is no crime in being truthful that Jonathan started it but they are not okay with it and will appreciate if the current administration can reverse it instead of always playing the victim card.

On who to teach,NERDC was clear on this on their website. It states that the subjects will be taken simultaneously at different classes. This is an indication that there will be different teachers for both subjects.

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