WetinConsignMe:


Great reply my foot. He wrote gibberish. He has no way of knowing if u even exist and he is talking of u having an "I"

Perspective is the word. Just because you can see only 6 now does not mean there isn't a 9 there.

manikal:


Perspective is the word. Just because you can see only 6 now does not mean there isn't a 9 there.

So u agree with me. We have no way of knowing what's real because the ONLY way we experience things is the brain. It could have been set up a million other ways. It was deliberate.

ifenes:


This is another one..... I don't think small, I think big and the universe supports me. 100k is small money I said.

Secret to getting money : stop talking about it. If you do it's more likely to elude you. Think it into existence, live and feel as if you already have lots of it..... That's law of attraction

So easy to disprove. We will lock u in a room and have u think one naira into existence

WetinConsignMe:
Scientists have shown through quantum mechanics how and why the universe(s) very likely came from nothing.

God exists outside our human reality and understanding. It is like asking where a circle began.

God does not need us to worship Him. We are the ones who need to worship God. We instinctively know it is good for us.

God is not bound by rules including the rule of not changing. He can change ten times a day if He wishes.

He is also not bound by the rule of having only one nature or one religion. He can have as many natures as He wishes. He can also have as many religions as He wishes.

We choose our perspective and relationship to God. For example, we choose to refer to God as "He". It is our choice and has nothing to do with God's true nature.

Good morning my brother in TRUTH. I just stumbled on your thread this morning. I am somewhat shocked because it appears we are getting a Revelation from the same source... Especially with the circle example you pointed out.

Kindly check for this thread "The Gospel of Truth".

The similarity of your first post and mine still leaves me in awe.

May the Master of the Universe continually reveal His mysteries to us in these last days of wickedness and evil.

Cheers bro

WetinConsignMe:


So easy to disprove. We will lock u in a room and have u think one naira into existence

That's the difference between those who have and have-not. When you think like a poor person, you will create a perfect replical. For law of attraction to work, Desire must be greater than doubt. You sound like money is a big deal to you.

WetinConsignMe:


U missed it completely. I am not sure what this is but I'm pretty sure it was set up by someone/something because, of all the trillions of ways it could have been set up, it was set up THIS way whereby I have no way of verifying what is real.

But you can verify for yourself! If only you train your mind to shift consciousness from your physical body to your etheric body or even astral body and see the "set up" for yourself and be free of all doubts

olaleye1355:


But you can verify for yourself! If only you train your mind to shift consciousness from your physical body to your etheric body or even astral body and see the "set up" for yourself and be free of all doubts

You only have one body (assuming reality is as we perceive it) and that body is physical. Any other "body" is nonsense. Once the physical brain of that one body is destroyed or even damaged you are done - no more "train your mind to shift consciousness from your physical body to your etheric body or even astral body" nonsense. Once the brain is damaged all that goes. Which tells u it is all in the brain. Which is why you will NEVER be able to tell the true nature of this reality while still in it.

OkaiCorne:


Good morning my brother in TRUTH. I just stumbled on your thread this morning. I am somewhat shocked because it appears we are getting a Revelation from the same source... Especially with the circle example you pointed out.

Kindly check for this thread "The Gospel of Truth".

The similarity of your first post and mine still leaves me in awe.

May the Master of the Universe continually reveal His mysteries to us in these last days of wickedness and evil.

Cheers bro

Thanks. Will check your thread when/if I have time

ifenes:


That's the difference between those who have and have-not. When you think like a poor person, you will create a perfect replical. For law of attraction to work, Desire must be greater than doubt. You sound like money is a big deal to you.

Bros I have money. But I didn't get rich by sitting somewhere and thinking my money into existence or law of attraction nonsense. I did it by working hard but most importantly taking high-stakes risks.

WetinConsignMe:


Bros I have money. But I didn't get rich by sitting somewhere and thinking my money into existence or law of attraction nonsense. I did it by working hard but most importantly taking high-stakes risks.

Firstly I posted those screenshots for you to know you ain't talking to some ...... Although I normally will not do that. Secondly I don't work hard for money, i attract it. In fact my lifestyle works the money for me.

Hard work can only get you as far as it can but desire without doubt will take you to the mountain top. From my experience, the Universe cannot differentiate between who has money and who desires it. I'm not encouraging laziness but rather being smart and understanding the laws of the Universe.

ifenes:


Firstly I posted those screenshots for you to know you ain't talking to some ...... Although I normally will not do that. Secondly I don't work hard for money, i attract it. In fact my lifestyle works the money for me.

Hard work can only get you as far as it can but desire without doubt will take you to the mountain top. From my experience, the Universe cannot differentiate between who has money and who desires it. I'm not encouraging laziness but rather being smart and understanding the laws of the Universe.

"Universe cannot differentiate between who has money and who desires it". Yet u said to have money don't talk about it. And how do u know how the universe works!! Scientists don't even know what 97% if the universe is made of! People who buy into all these gobbledygook usually don't have money. That's my observation.

ifenes:


Firstly I posted those screenshots for you to know you ain't talking to some ...... Although I normally will not do that. Secondly I don't work hard for money, i attract it. In fact my lifestyle works the money for me.

Hard work can only get you as far as it can but desire without doubt will take you to the mountain top. From my experience, the Universe cannot differentiate between who has money and who desires it. I'm not encouraging laziness but rather being smart and understanding the laws of the Universe.

I think seeing it in terms of currency confuses things. Let's think in terms of natural setting. Two farmers. One using law of attraction (living and feeling as if he already has lots of yams)(makes one laugh). The other simply working hard, rising early in the morning to work his field and find innovations. Who do u think will have more yams (money).

WetinConsignMe:


So u agree with me. We have no way of knowing what's real because the ONLY way we experience things is the brain. It could have been set up a million other ways. It was deliberate.

its your reality. There is a basic law of life , what you sow , that you will reap

If your thinking is streamlined to believe whatever you feel is right , then go right ahead. Arguments are just a way for the Ego to rear its head. Stay safe bro

manikal:


its your reality. There is a basic law of life , what you sow , that you will reap

If your thinking is streamlined to believe whatever you feel is right , then go right ahead. Arguments are just a way for the Ego to rear its head. Stay safe bro

"There is a basic law of life , what you sow , that you will reap".
How does this tally with your law of attraction?

What I feel has nothing to do with it.
I am stating basic obvious common sense fact: the ONLY way u experience reality is your brain yet you have been provided no way of knowing if what's getting to your brain is what's really there.

WetinConsignMe:


"There is a basic law of life , what you sow , that you will reap".
How does this tally with your law of attraction?

What I feel has nothing to do with it.
I am stating basic obvious common sense fact: the ONLY way u experience reality is your brain yet you have been provided no way of knowing if what's getting to your brain is what's really there.

"My" law of attraction?? Lol. Plant a banana sucker in the ground and wait.
Banana seeds produce banana trees
Plantain seeds produce plantain trees
Right perspective produces Harmonious conditions
Wrong perspective produces Inharmonious conditions

A child goes on believing the fire to be its friend until he gets burnt.
Did the fire change? No , rather he gained the right perspective

You are looking for an argument not a discussion. I have tabled my perspective. If you wish to learn ,I'll gladly share what i Know.
If you see my perspective as inflammatory, then state why you believe so and together we'll sieve through it logically for the truth.

Stand for something or fall for nothing
Selah

WetinConsignMe:


"There is a basic law of life , what you sow , that you will reap".
How does this tally with your law of attraction?

What I feel has nothing to do with it.
I am stating basic obvious common sense fact: the ONLY way u experience reality is your brain yet you have been provided no way of knowing if what's getting to your brain is what's really there.

Here's a question. Who are You? Are you the brain? Or the eyes? Or the legs? Or the heart? Or are you a combination of everything?

I accept your testimony. You can only know the truth as you experience it. Not from books or teachers or any of that sort. Since you believe yourself to be what you are ,

- Close your eyes
- What can you see?
- What colour is that space?
- How deep is that space?

If thoughts come , go back to observing that space. You'll notice that you cannot THINK and OBSERVE at the time.
This is a method for stilling yourself. The truth about you has to be hidden somewhere in your psyche

Seek and ye shall find

manikal:


Here's a question. Who are You? Are you the brain? Or the eyes? Or the legs? Or the heart? Or are you a combination of everything?

I accept your testimony. You can only know the truth as you experience it. Not from books or teachers or any of that sort. Since you believe yourself to be what you are ,

- Close your eyes
- What can you see?
- What colour is that space?
- How deep is that space?

If thoughts come , go back to observing that space. You'll notice that you cannot THINK and OBSERVE at the time.
This is a method for stilling yourself. The truth about you has to be hidden somewhere in your psyche

Seek and ye shall find

Thanks for sharing one of the many meditation techniques. But it really has little to do with our discussion. We are not discussing quieting or using the brain, we are discussing why the brain and things are set up the way they are. That it has to be deliberate.

manikal:


"My" law of attraction?? Lol. Plant a banana sucker in the ground and wait.
Banana seeds produce banana trees
Plantain seeds produce plantain trees
Right perspective produces Harmonious conditions
Wrong perspective produces Inharmonious conditions

A child goes on believing the fire to be its friend until he gets burnt.
Did the fire change? No , rather he gained the right perspective

You are looking for an argument not a discussion. I have tabled my perspective. If you wish to learn ,I'll gladly share what i Know.
If you see my perspective as inflammatory, then state why you believe so and together we'll sieve through it logically for the truth.

Stand for something or fall for nothing
Selah

But u do have to get off your butt and plant the bananas not try to think it into existence.
I keep going back to placebo. See, placebo works because you don't know it's placebo. Once you know, it doesn't work anymore. Same thing with law of attraction it works if you don't know you're using it. Once you know and consciously try to use it, it's like trying to make yourself get well using placebo while knowing full well it is just placebo.

WetinConsignMe:


But u do have to get off your butt and plant the bananas not try to think it into existence.
I keep going back to placebo. See, placebo works because you don't know it's placebo. Once you know, it doesn't work anymore. Same thing with law of attraction it works if you don't know you're using it. Once you know and consciously try to use it, it's like trying to make yourself get well using placebo while knowing full well it is just placebo.

You have to be able to listen. Not listen to reply
You are still bothered with semantics
You think am wrong? Fine. Its your reality
The meditation technique is for you to find the answers for yourself
Rather than arguing and glorifying our ego selves, why not go within yourself and find out the truth on a first hand basis
I can talk about honey as a word but until i really taste it , I still do not know what honey is

WetinConsignMe:


But u do have to get off your butt and plant the bananas not try to think it into existence.
I keep going back to placebo. See, placebo works because you don't know it's placebo. Once you know, it doesn't work anymore. Same thing with law of attraction it works if you don't know you're using it. Once you know and consciously try to use it, it's like trying to make yourself get well using placebo while knowing full well it is just placebo.

The law of Attraction is complicated. Man does not need to will riches into existence. Infact , man is just a channel.
Rather , a man attracts good by going back to the source of good
The only way to be close to the source is by being still
A branch produces fruit not because of his strength or vitality BUT because of his connection with the tree
Same analogy with man

manikal:


You have to be able to listen. Not listen to reply
You are still bothered with semantics
You think am wrong? Fine. Its your reality
The meditation technique is for you to find the answers for yourself
Rather than arguing and glorifying our ego selves, why not go within yourself and find out the truth on a first hand basis
I can talk about honey as a word but until i really taste it , I still do not know what honey is

I'm not saying u r wrong at all. I'm just saying u have no way of knowing if u r wrong or right. You are just repeating things u read or learnt yet the people u learnt from ultimately don't know. They can claim to know as long as it is not quantifiable. Here is something quantifiable: we don't know what 96% of the universe is made of. Let them start by going inside themselves to give us the answer to that.

manikal:


The law of Attraction is complicated. Man does not need to will riches into existence. Infact , man is just a channel.
Rather , a man attracts good by going back to the source of good
The only way to be close to the source is by being still
A branch produces fruit not because of his strength or vitality BUT because of his connection with the tree
Same analogy with man

More stuff from books and gurus, not real life. Real life wralthiest people didn't get rich by going to any source or through some other esoteric means. They didn't spend their time trying to be still.
Law of attraction needn't be complicated - it boils down to one word: faith. The same thing that makes placebo work. You believe placebo will cure you because u don't know it's just placebo. If u knew it was placebo it would be humanly impossible to muster that kind of faith. Human beings have to have a basis for faith. That's where religion helps. You can't fool yourself by yourself. That's why intentional law of attraction will never work.

Also we don't know if This whole thing is predestined.
Here is a question someone asked earlier in the thread:

"At the bolded. Can you give examples of things predicted and with a stated time for the fulfilment of the prediction."

Here is my answer:

"Oh, examples abound. You can google "predictions or prophecies that came true".
The problem with answering this type of question is that the questioner can always find an angle through which to doubt whatever u say, forgetting that just about everything we think we know can be doubted, including our very existence.
Where do I start? Let me start with things I'm 100% sure about:
All through my growing up, my entire extended family had our eyes on two particular people, an aunt and an uncle. It was known to us all that a random fortune teller told them when they were little that my aunt would be like a big tree who would provide shade to many peope,
while my uncle would be like a bird trying to get off the ground but couldn't and finally stayed on the ground.
Fast forward to today, my aunt is a wealthy woman, with many employees and many people dependent on her for their livlihood. My uncle, on the other hand, after several heroic but unsuccessful efforts to make it in the city, has stayed poor and has finally settled permanently in the village.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!!!!

Within the answer to that question lies the secret to the
true nature of our existence."

ifenes, sir, emphatically, u r not god.

WetinConsignMe:


More stuff from books and gurus, not real life. Real life wralthiest people didn't get rich by going to any source or through some other esoteric means. They didn't spend their time trying to be still.
Law of attraction needn't be complicated - it boils down to one word: faith. The same thing that makes placebo work. You believe placebo will cure you because u don't know it's just placebo. If u knew it was placebo it would be humanly impossible to muster that kind of faith. Human beings have to have a basis for faith. That's where religion helps. You can't fool yourself by yourself. That's why intentional law of attraction will never work.

Also we don't know if This whole thing is predestined.
Here is a question someone asked earlier in the thread:

"At the bolded. Can you give examples of things predicted and with a stated time for the fulfilment of the prediction."

Here is my answer:

"Oh, examples abound. You can google "predictions or prophecies that came true".
The problem with answering this type of question is that the questioner can always find an angle through which to doubt whatever u say, forgetting that just about everything we think we know can be doubted, including our very existence.
Where do I start? Let me start with things I'm 100% sure about:
All through my growing up, my entire extended family had our eyes on two particular people, an aunt and an uncle. It was known to us all that a random fortune teller told them when they were little that my aunt would be like a big tree who would provide shade to many peope,
while my uncle would be like a bird trying to get off the ground but couldn't and finally stayed on the ground.
Fast forward to today, my aunt is a wealthy woman, with many employees and many people dependent on her for their livlihood. My uncle, on the other hand, after several heroic but unsuccessful efforts to make it in the city, has stayed poor and has finally settled permanently in the village.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!!!!

Within the answer to that question lies the secret to the
true nature of our existence."

ifenes, sir, emphatically, u r not god.

Like i said , its your reality.
Listening to understand is a very priceless commodity you'd do well to stock in your mental armoury.

Carefully go over each of my answers. I know its nonsense to you. But this time , carefully go over each comment and understand clearly what point I am trying to pass.

I wish you better understanding in your quest for God or however you address the One. Stay safe bro

WetinConsignMe:


More stuff from books and gurus, not real life. Real life wralthiest people didn't get rich by going to any source or through some other esoteric means. They didn't spend their time trying to be still.
Law of attraction needn't be complicated - it boils down to one word: faith. The same thing that makes placebo work. You believe placebo will cure you because u don't know it's just placebo. If u knew it was placebo it would be humanly impossible to muster that kind of faith. Human beings have to have a basis for faith. That's where religion helps. You can't fool yourself by yourself. That's why intentional law of attraction will never work.

Also we don't know if This whole thing is predestined.
Here is a question someone asked earlier in the thread:

"At the bolded. Can you give examples of things predicted and with a stated time for the fulfilment of the prediction."

Here is my answer:

"Oh, examples abound. You can google "predictions or prophecies that came true".
The problem with answering this type of question is that the questioner can always find an angle through which to doubt whatever u say, forgetting that just about everything we think we know can be doubted, including our very existence.
Where do I start? Let me start with things I'm 100% sure about:
All through my growing up, my entire extended family had our eyes on two particular people, an aunt and an uncle. It was known to us all that a random fortune teller told them when they were little that my aunt would be like a big tree who would provide shade to many peope,
while my uncle would be like a bird trying to get off the ground but couldn't and finally stayed on the ground.
Fast forward to today, my aunt is a wealthy woman, with many employees and many people dependent on her for their livlihood. My uncle, on the other hand, after several heroic but unsuccessful efforts to make it in the city, has stayed poor and has finally settled permanently in the village.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!!!!

Within the answer to that question lies the secret to the
true nature of our existence."

ifenes, sir, emphatically, u r not god.

Of course i got the knowledge from books. Books are like arrows that direct you back inside your own consciousness.
The only place to verify knowledge is within you.
You as "Wetincosignme" cannot know the truth from me "manikal". You[wetincosignme] have to go inside your ownself. That is why i gave that meditation


Your attitude or skepticism is actually the best form of defense against wrong teachings.
Leave the laws that people have made. Go inside your own self and find out what is real or not.
If you really want to be skeptic , ask yourself Who am I?
Am I really whatever name my parents called me?
Before my parents gave me a name , what did i call myself?
Before i learnt English, what did i think of?

I don't care about any laws of the mental plane. Knowing the truth about oneself should be the priority.
Who is worried about my ideas?
who is this person talking in my head?
What is this dark space i experience when i close my eyes?
how do i hear thoughts?
what are thoughts? Where do they come from?

Know yourself thoroughly first. Then after that , the answers you seek will be revealed

manikal:


Of course i got the knowledge from books. Books are like arrows that direct you back inside your own consciousness.
The only place to verify knowledge is within you.
You as "Wetincosignme" cannot know the truth from me "manikal". You[wetincosignme] have to go inside your ownself. That is why i gave that meditation


Your attitude or skepticism is actually the best form of defense against wrong teachings.
Leave the laws that people have made. Go inside your own self and find out what is real or not.
If you really want to be skeptic , ask yourself Who am I?
Am I really whatever name my parents called me?
Before my parents gave me a name , what did i call myself?
Before i learnt English, what did i think of?

I don't care about any laws of the mental plane. Knowing the truth about oneself should be the priority.
Who is worried about my ideas?
who is this person talking in my head?
What is this dark space i experience when i close my eyes?
how do i hear thoughts?
what are thoughts? Where do they come from?

Know yourself thoroughly first. Then after that , the answers you seek will be revealed

Thanks for your very good write-up. I actually don't have an attitude of sceptism. I have an attitude of reality and common sense. If no one told u that u had a kidney, no amount of closing your eyes and going into yourself can lead u to the truth that u have a kidney. If u can't even decifer that by going into yourself how then can u decifer larger truths. I suspect life is meant to be lived and also not taken too seriously always bearing in mind that we don't know exactly how this reality is set up - it could be all a dream or it could be all pre-determined. That's just seeing things as they really are, not scepticism.

WetinConsignMe:


Thanks for your very good write-up. I actually don't have an attitude of sceptism. I have an attitude of reality and common sense. If no one told u that u had a kidney, no amount of closing your eyes and going into yourself can lead u to the truth that u have a kidney. If u can't even decifer that by going into yourself how then can u decided larger truths. I suspect life is meant to be lived and also not taken too seriously always bearing in mind that we don't know exactly how this reality is set up - it could be all a dream or it could be all pre-determined. That's just seeing things as they really are, not scepticism.

Who is producing all these thoughts that are coming out of you then?
Keep on asking yourself;
Who is this "I" that does not know how reality is setup? Who am I , apart from the body , name and history
Forget about manikal and the world for a second , and ask yourself, Who am I? Am I the body parts? Or am I something more
Forget about what you think you know or don't know and ask, Who am I
The minute you can know who you are , then you'll know Who I am as well and the true identity behind every human.

You say You don't know? Fine , Good first step
But ultimately, everybody wants to know. And the first place to look is your own self
Who am I , should be a constant question on your lips
Who is this "I" which i always claim to be?
Experience it for yourself first , before making claims that no-one can know
Check, test and observe for yourself, then you can have enough authority to say , yes , nobody knows.
Electricity was available in the Centuries before Christ but was not utilized. Ignorance of something does not mean it isn't there

On the doors of Apollos , the masters wrote , Man Know thyself
Jesus said , Seek first the kingdom of God and the Kingdom of God is within us according to him. That means seek your inner self first
Buddha said , knowledge of Self is the existence of life

In every religion on earth , its all about going inside yourself. Selah

manikal:


Who is producing all these thoughts that are coming out of you then?
Keep on asking yourself;
Who is this "I" that does not know how reality is setup? Who am I , apart from the body , name and history
Forget about me and the world for a second , and ask yourself, Who am I? Am I the body parts? Or am I something more
Forget about what you think you know or don't know and ask, Who am I
The minute you can know who you are , then you'll know Who I am as well and the true identity behind every human.

You say You don't know? Fine , Good first step
But ultimately, everybody wants to know. And the first place to look is your own self
Who am I , should be a constant question on your lips
So , how can you assuredly claim that no-one can know when you haven't checked for yourself.
Check for yourself, then you can have enough authority to say , nobody knows.
Electricity was available in the Centuries before Christ but was not utilized. Ignorance of something does not mean it isn't there

Thanks for the thoughtful post. But can't u see that r not equipped to answer that question. It's like say a robot or someone dreaming asking "who am I?"

WetinConsignMe:


Thanks for the thoughtful post. But can't u see that r not equipped to answer that question. It's like say a robot or someone dreaming asking "who am I?"

How do you know you are a robot then since you don't know anything

WetinConsignMe:


Thanks for the thoughtful post. But can't u see that r not equipped to answer that question. It's like say a robot or someone dreaming asking "who am I?"

Why not leave robots and focus on You.
If upon searching yourself, you find that you are a robot, then Good
that is your state of existence

manikal:


How do you know you are a robot then since you don't know anything

That's the whole point. You don't know. That knowledge is outside your reality, it is outside your possible knowables

manikal:


Why not leave robots and focus on You.
If upon searching yourself, you find that you are a robot, then Good
that is your state of existence

Because you don't have the equipment to be able to see the real you. Let's say in reality we are all actually lying down and just hooked up to a powerful computer and what we experience as reality is actually images fed to our brain. No amount of asking "who am I" will be able to reveal that truth to u.

I known it sounds good, but I don't think the answer lies within ourselves. I think the answer to the question of how this our reality is truly set up lies in looking at the oddities, the exceptions, the "mistakes". Instead of asking "who am I", ask why do placebos work, how come the future can be foretold, where do prophetic dreams come from, where do revelations come from. People have been given winning lottery numbers in their dreams, and hit songs, etc. Where do those come from?
Why does your body heal itself after you take placebo but won't heal itself if you command it or beg it or knowingly take placebo. How come u can feel it when a person u care about is in distress no matter how far away they are. I believe aswers to those questions point us to the true nature of how our reality is set up.