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Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 1:12pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: Tithes is on increase / profits. I will not stick to only Abraham's story because that story isn't the perfect example. The major thing I highlighted there is that priests outside the tribe of Levi have lawfully received tithes. Abraham voluntarily gave tithes of all as an appreciation to God for granting him a huge victory. He recovered all that was taken from the Sodomites and gave a tenth part to God out of gratitude. He later returned the remaining 90% to the king of Sodom and took only what the men ate during the journey and war. He could have decided to take part of it. But he didn't. It doesn't mean that he didn't have a right over them. Now Jacob didn't go to war but wanted God's blessing and voluntarily vowed to give a tenth part of whatsoever God gives him. God saw his sincere heart and blessed him. That's the perfect tithe that is sacred to God in the later days of the israélites. |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 1:15pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
MrPristine: The bible never condemned tithing in the NT nor OT. The law has changed, yet the law of tithing wasn’t condemned. The parts that needs to be changed have been changed, the parts not condemned still stands. |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 1:17pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: His army and wining the war is his capital that entitles him to increase / spoils of victory. |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 1:21pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
Peacefullove: Yet it was apostle Paul who said : 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by BERNIMOORE: 1:41pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
hardasan:.you are Unable to establish how profit was derived from the possessions recovered, tithe cannot be paid from 10% of possessions but rather 10% OF PROFIT |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 1:51pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: You just stubbornly refused to understand anything outside your opinion. His army and wining the war is his capital that entitles him to increase / spoils of victory. Having won the war, he recovered all the goods from the defeated enemies. That is his profit. Him returning them after the tithe was voluntary just as giving tithe from them was voluntary. 1 Like |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by paxonel(m): 2:14pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
hardasan:.....I'm coming for you, wait. I'm in the office,... Just wait for me till 6:pm when I'm less busy at home ![]() |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 2:36pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
paxonel: Lol Okay o |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by BERNIMOORE: 4:17pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
hardasan:(italics are mine) Returning 90% HIS PROFIT (goods; increase / spoils of victory ) after the tithe10% IS THAT THE WAY MELCHIZEDECK PRIESTHOOD you claim DIRECTS CHRISTIANS TODAY TO TITHE? that is after tithe, No profit, All christians must be ready to volunteer 90% of his Profit after paying tithe since (Abraham/Melchi) occurence sets a preceedence? Remember that an occurence setting-up a preceedence has to be wholy applied and not partly applied That Is; you claim here that we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek/Abraham situation hardasan: 18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. 19 And he blessed him and said: Then we are not supposed to have PROFIT TALKLESS OF BEIGN RICH AS A TITHER UNDER THE MELCHIZEDECK PRIESTHOOD Of which Abraham sets the recorded preceedence. simple.....principle fully applied! How about that |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 6:53pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE:What Abraham did with his half of what they recovered is nobody's business. I earn 10,000ngn from a business with a business partner, my co biz owner is not a christian and doesn't believe in tithes, I pay tithe of 1,000ngn on the whole 10,000ngn, my partner comes and shares profits with me, he takes 5,000ngn cus he no send me message, I take 3,000ngn. I changed my mind and gave my partner 2,500ngn and kept 500ngn only as my tfare back home. Did I pay tithe ? Yes Is all the 10,000ngn mine? No, Do I have a right to pay tithe from the money, Yes. Is it true that since I returned my share of the profits to my partner, I paid tithe on money that isn't mine ? No, no, no I hope you understand the drama now |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by Peacefullove: 7:33pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
hardasan: and how does that relate to tithing Miss ? in fact, if it was tithing he was talking about in that verse, show me a record of him living of the gospel by asking for Tithes ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by Peacefullove: 7:46pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: Oh! going to the extent of paying people to defend their baseless Tradition . Really ? I thought as much . Yes you are right that many of them know its wrong, Johnson Suleiman responses to the guy Freeze are filled with unintelligent and blind emotions , coupled with unfounded sentiments . I expect him and his crew to refute and present their point with sound Evidence from their bible. No they can't!!! 1 Like |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by BERNIMOORE: 8:26pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
hardasan:ribcracking comedy, you cannot even quote a single Bible verse to support your claim ![]() |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 10:17pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
Peacefullove: Numbers 18 vs 31 31. And ye shall eat it in every place, ye and your households : for it is your reward for your service in the congregation of the tabernacle Tithes was being spoken of in Numbers 18 vs 25 - 32 God said that the remaining tithe after the lévites have offered a heave offering (a tenth of the tithes received) is their reward. Isn't that living off the gospel ? 1 Like |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 10:20pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: I quoted the story of Jacob, you said we should dwell on the story of Abraham only. I did, you asked me to explain where the profit for the tithe came from. I did. Instead of you to admit that you have understood, you're calling me a comedian. Expert post shifter, I'm waiting, change your post again. |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by BERNIMOORE: 12:39am On Nov 14, 2017 |
hardasan:because its distracting, why? you guys said that Abrahamic tithe and not jacobs self-vowed-tenth -part' agrees with the first tithe here is your post hardasan: hardasan:you did not explain But rather YOU RAPED THE BIBLE! how? you singularly inpose your own value 'telling us who's got a business or who has not' in a very important matter like AMOUNTS TO stealing faithfuls tithe, here is your response hardasan:you fail to see (a)Godliness in Abrahamic's tithe (OT) AND PAUL'S (NT) 1 COR.9:15 But I have used none of these things, nor have I written these things that it should be done so to me; for it would be better for me to die than that anyone should make my boasting void 'when Abraham rejects 'beign made rich' that I will take nothing from a thread to a sandal strap, and that I will not take anything that is yours, lest you should say yet your basis for tithe is for floodgates of heaven for wealth, you refuse to see corinthians 9:15 BUT SUIT YOURSELF WITH VS 13-14se who serve at the altar partake of the offerings of the altar? 14 Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel. that you breezed through Godliness and support fraud is EPIC ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 15 But I have used none of these things, nor have I written these things that it should be done so to me; for it would be better for me to die than that anyone should make my boasting void calling me a comedian.BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT QUOTE BIBLE ERSE AGAIN IN YOUR LAST POST. Expert post shifter, I'm waiting, change your post again CHEAP BLACKMAIL, LIKE aDEBOYE AND SULEIMAN, IT WILL NOT WORK HERE ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 8:38am On Nov 14, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: This was your first post, that made me reference to Melchizedek receiving tithe though not being a levite. Did you bring superior argument with bible verses? No instead you never mentioned it again and changed post to this. bolded above ''currency'' you fail to support why no currency was mention there yet you ''forcefully added currencyDifferent bible versions were used to show your hypocrisy. U didn't reply the poster but shifted to tithes is an offering for sin I exposed your lies with bible verses. Did you talk again ? No. You ran again to Are we clear Now that Abraham DID not tithe his possesion as you claim? I mentioned the story of Jacob and you shouted stick to the story of Abraham simply because Abraham returned all he recovered at the end. I nau explained the story properly you're here shouting comedy and emotional blackmail. you don't understand bible verses, I used a story to explain to you, you refused to understand. Can you see that you are not sincere at all ? You have made up your mind not to tithe but you want to deceive others along with you. That's why I didn't want to reply you from the onset. I mean, a man who is ready to argue if Christ is worthy to receive tithes is not a christian. The antichrist knows the bible better than us all. At the end, the word of God is there to show the way for sincere christains. Now, You cleverly skipped the initial debate of did Abraham pay tithe to: explain how Abraham has a right over what he tithed. I have done that already. You need to show where the bible condemns tithing or shut up. I don't need your warped bible twisting. Just show where the bible condemned tithing. 5 Likes |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by BERNIMOORE: 10:33am On Nov 14, 2017 |
(POST *A) post tagged for refference hardasan:yes, ABRAHAM Returning 90% OF HIS PROFIT (goods; increase / spoils of victory ) after the tithe Of 10% to MELCHIZEDECK, that is after tithe, No profit, All christians must be ready to volunteer 90% of his Profit after paying tithe since (Abraham/Melchi) occurence sets a preceedence? you were saying that its nobody's buz to talk about how profit should be used and i ask who gave YOU SUCH POWERS TO CHERRY-PICK WHAT sets a preceedence? You claim that christians are paying tithe under the priesthood of Melchizedeck here; i said if Abraham gave a tithe of all in verse 20, then verse 23 which shows how he gave out whole profits shows that under Melchi's priesthood, christians are to follow suit to give-out all profit after tithe(Gen. 14:18-20)... This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek YOU DO NOT HAVE SUCH POWERS TO CHERRY-PICK WHAT sets a preceedence. |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by BERNIMOORE: 11:25am On Nov 14, 2017 |
(POST *A1) hardasan:HERE WAS MY RESPONSE(in green), ON THIS LINK https://www.nairaland.com/4160536/paying-tithe-biblical/ I brough a parrallel bible verse that knock-off your claims when you compare; hardasan: can you see your mis-interpretation? lets see a parallel bible verse that says the same thing to the nation of isrealite yet 'not all are priest' Exodus 19:6 and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel." With The statement above, all tribes of isreal would have been priests, but apart from the levites no other tribe can officiate at the alter or be a priest. example was tribe of judah, which bible actually claim that they are not priest. hebrew 7 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood in the light of exodus 19:6 can you first reverse your erroneous assertion that 'every christians are priest? pastors receive tithes because they represent the lévitesso if pastors represent levites priest and their chief priest is (jesus) is represents tribe of judah a tribe from which no man has officiated at the altar and not a priesthood tribe is that not confusing? can you see that my detailed response was on record but despite my response above you denied that i never responded while you were the one that did not answer the question there! dont worry its frustration just calm down ![]() |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 12:45pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: Go and force them to dash you the 90% remaining. I repeat, all that concerns this tithe is : " and he paid tithes of all" After that, he returned everything else including what should have been his. Did Melchizedek tell him to do that ? No so why is his returning the 90% (of which he was still entitled to part) paining you ? Show where the bible condemned tithing |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 12:48pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: Pastors represent the biblical levites who are priests. The priests receive tithes but in the biblical days, priesthood was reserved only for the lévites. Just like Melchizedech who predates the levitical priesthood received tithes so likewise, the post levitical priests are pastors and have the right to receive tithes. Show us where the bible condemned tithing. |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by Peacefullove: 1:31pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
hardasan: I have no issue with Levi people collecting tithe, its part of the Jewish religion. Am talking about Christianity as practiced by the apostles Seems you didn't hear the question well , or you are not following this discussion with your heart . Let me give you some flashback You quote 1 Corinthians 9:13 and 14 from which you give the submission that tithing is one way by which A Christian can live of the gospel . A Submission I need you to prove by Citing just one record of Paul who wrote the verse or any other Apostle doing that which u assume he meant ? |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by Qofoni: 2:10pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
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Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by Edelweiss44: 4:27pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
NwaAmaikpe: No man can help your case. Only Jesus can deliver your. For a start, tithing is for christians. You are not a Christian, so what's your concern with tithing? You go to church sometimes, but that doesn't make you a Christian. You are merely a Wolf in sheep's clothing when it comes to churistianity. So Pls allow us Christians to obey what our Heavenly Father commanded us to obey in Malachi 3:10 and Matthew 23:23. You, keep following the paths of your god who was a rebel in heaven but was cast down. Whoever doesn't like Malachi 3:10 and Matthew 23:23 should go and tear them out of their bible! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 9:51pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Peacefullove: 1Chorinthians ch 9 vs 13 - 14 (KJV) 13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. 1 Corinthians 9:13-14New International Version (NIV) 13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. 1 Corinthians 9:13-14Good News Translation (GNT) 13 Surely you know that the men who work in the Temple get their food from the Temple and that those who offer the sacrifices on the altar get a share of the sacrifices. 14 In the same way, the Lord has ordered that those who preach the gospel should get their living from it. The things of the altar are tithe and offerings. Ministers of holy things are pastors / priests Matthew 23:23King James Version (KJV) 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23New International Version (NIV) 23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. Jesus said here that we shouldn't just pay tithe and neglect holy living but do the two. Thirdly, tithing wasn't condemned in any part of the bible. From the OT to the NT. |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 9:52pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Edelweiss44: Lol Preach bro, preach ! |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by Peacefullove: 7:47am On Nov 15, 2017 |
hardasan: So Levite's actually preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ too like the apostle's did ? Answer me. I demand again, If those who preach the gospel should live of the gospel mean Apostles who preach Gospel should collect tithe , SHOW ME ONE INSTANCE OF APOSTLES COLLECTING TITHES TO LIVE OF THE GOSPEL ? Am waiting 2 Likes |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 11:29am On Nov 15, 2017 |
Peacefullove: Don't mix them up, in verse 13, the ministers the of the holy things were the levitical priests who handles holy incense, etc verse 14 the preachers of the gospel are apostles or pastors. Acts 2:44-45King James Version (KJV) 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. Acts 2:44-45Good News Translation (GNT) 44 All the believers continued together in close fellowship and shared their belongings with one another. 45 They would sell their property and possessions, and distribute the money among all, according to what each one needed. When all members of the church were giving more than 10% to the church, there is no need to tithe. Eg. I earn 30k monthly, once I receive my salary, I buy foodstuffs with 10k and I carry 20k and drop in the welfare offering box. If it's tithe, I've paid already. So no need preaching on tithe. Acts ch 5 tells the story of Ananias who tried to give less than he made from his land sales. Who received the money he realized from the sales of his land? Apostle Peter |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by MrPristine: 1:45pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
hardasan: Neither does tithing apply to the christian Church. |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by MrPristine: 1:49pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
hardasan: The tithing law was condemned in Hebrew 7:18-19. If you read from verse five the commandment to tithe was mentioned, this commandment was later described as a weak, useless and unprofitable law in verse 18. |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by Peacefullove: 5:04pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
hardasan: Clearly u misused that Corinthians u quoted . Living off the gospel was never tithing, Don't be among the ignorant ones spoken of who twist the words of Paul - 2 Peter 3:15 and 16 . With the Bold, Just admit such was never practiced among the Early Christians . No such thing as TITHE . !!! 2 Likes |
Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by hardasan(f): 5:37pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Peacefullove: What did the scripture mean by living off the gospel ? Where did the bible condemn tithes ? |
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