MrPristine:


The tithing law was condemned in Hebrew 7:18-19. If you read from verse five the commandment to tithe was mentioned, this commandment was later described as a weak, useless and unprofitable law in verse 18.

Please quote and highlight the condemnation

MrPristine:


Neither does tithing apply to the christian Church.

Tithing applies because tithing was never condemned. Christ admonished that we don't leave things like mercy, love and peace out when practicing things like tithing.

Clearly at this junction, it has been established that the practice of tithing was non existent among the early Christians.

hardasan:


What did the scripture mean by living off the gospel ?

they live off the gospel , when they preach the gospel

Luke 10 vs 7

And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages.

Where did the bible condemn tithes ?

Tithe was a part of the law given to the Jews, and Christian's are not under the law, the same applies to animal sacrifice etc. Heb 7 vs 12 , change of priesthood means change of LAW

and don't give me that unfounded claim of Tithing preceded the law, No record of Abraham doing it every Sunday , Sunday or week by week . that faulty logic will mean Animal Sacrifice also preceded the law, I wonder why you are not practicing this ?

*The firstly Christians know this, which is why they never ask for tithe, and according to Bible . You should follow the examples of those apostles in the bible Yet no record of tithe among them , isn't that enough for u to think ?

hardasan:


The bible asked us to bring of our increase,
It could be livestock and foodstuffs or money.
You are free to give whichever applies to you. Or even use ur tithe to buy commodities to give to the church just as u can sell ur commodity and give money. None is set in stone.

Please read Hebrew 7: 5 and hebrew 7: 12

Come back and comment.

hardasan:


Tithing applies because tithing was never condemned. Christ admonished that we don't leave things like mercy, love and peace out when practicing things like tithing.

C'mon , Christ was speaking to the Jews NOT YOu

The same Christ also practiced things like Jewish Passover, do u also do that ?

am surprised you don't yet understand that those things were still permitted until when Jesus shed his blood and cancel the law covenant .

that is why you will not read of any Christian practicing tithe in your bible

its funny how some people will claim tithe preceded the law, but yet keep QUOTING THE BOOKS OF THE LAW TO defend it ,isn't that highest level of hypocrisy .

clearly it's part of the law that must be done away with,if not apostles would have been recorded collecting tithes .NO SUCH THING

hardasan:



Please quote and highlight the condemnation

I am browsing with my phone so I can't quote it here, just check verse 18 and read up from verse 5 to know what was being condemned in verse 18.

hardasan:


Tithing applies because tithing was never condemned. Christ admonished that we don't leave things like mercy, love and peace out when practicing things like tithing.

Jesus was addressing Pharisees who were under the law in the reference you made. We as Christians are not subject to that law cause we are under grace.

Peacefullove:
Clearly at this junction, it has been established that the practice of tithing was non existent among the early Christians.



they live off the gospel , when they preach the gospel

Luke 10 vs 7

And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages.




Tithe was a part of the law given to the Jews, and Christian's are not under the law, the same applies to animal sacrifice etc. Heb 7 vs 12 , change of priesthood means change of LAW

and don't give me that unfounded claim of Tithing preceded the law, No record of Abraham doing it every Sunday , Sunday or week by week . that faulty logic will mean Animal Sacrifice also preceded the law, I wonder why you are not practicing this ?

*The firstly Christians know this, which is why they never ask for tithe, and according to Bible . You should follow the examples of those apostles in the bible Yet no record of tithe among them , isn't that enough for u to think ?

You can't say that because the bible didn't record the early church paying tithes, tithes is non existent because the early church gave 100%. So unless you give your 100% to the church, you can't use them as a reference point.

Deprofessional:


Please read Hebrew 7: 5 and hebrew 7: 12

Come back and comment.

[b]Hebrews 7:5-12King James Version (KJV)

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

.............

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Hebrews 7:5-12Good News Translation (GNT)

5 And those descendants of Levi who are priests are commanded by the Law to collect one tenth from the people of Israel, that is, from their own people, even though they are also descendants of Abraham.

................

11 It was on the basis of the levitical priesthood that the Law was given to the people of Israel. Now, if the work of the levitical priests had been perfect, there would have been no need for a different kind of priest to appear, one who is in the priestly order of Melchizedek,[a] not of Aaron.
12 For when the priesthood is changed, there also has to be a change in the law.[/b]


This verse talks about the ammendment grace brings. It also talks about Jesus being the new High priest. Just as only the levitical priests could offer atonement and enter into the holy of holies, Christ is the only perfect sacrifice for our sins and no man can enter the holy of holies / God's presence except through Christ.
The levitical priesthood is not perfect because being mere men, they die and they aren't greater than Abraham.
Melchizedech was a mysterious priest who had neither beginning nor end of days according to the bible. Abraham received blessings from Melchizedech meaning Melchizedech is greater than Abraham. So likewise Christ arose from the dead and is now immortal and he is greater than Abraham.

Several changes to the law were made because of grace but the law in itself is not abolished.
Christ fulfilled the law by offering blood for our sins, by keeping the sabbath day holy even in his death and resurrection, by keeping Jewish feasts and laws etc. When the adulterous woman was brought to him, did he say: "that law is wrong" don't touch her ? No, he instead said " let him that has no sin cast the first stone". He warned her go and sin no more, same with a man he healed. He said, go and sin no more.

What is sin ? Sin is disobedience to the law. The bible says : " Shall we now continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid "


The law still stands but grace covers it so much that we almost don't feel it again.

Some laws can't be practiced / were amended I'll list them for you.

1. Slavery doesn't exist anymore
2. Nobody keeps cows and the likes at home anymore
3. Fashion has changed from what it used to be.
4. The structure of the church has changed.
5. The mode of worship has changed in ways like using the blood/name of Jesus for forgiveness of sins, healing, casting out demons, praying to God, etc
6. Ability to pray from anywhere not just from the temple.
7. Freedom to eat what was once forbidden.
8. Ability to stand in the presence of God 24/7. Before, menstruation defiled women and anyone who touches her, sex defiled, dirty clothes defiled, not being full blooded jew from your 3rd or 5th ancestral line (from your parents upwards) defiled, sicknesses defiled, deformity defiled, miscarriage defiled, wrong hairstyle defiled etc but grace and the blood of Jesus has changed all that.
9. Blood sacrifice is now forbidden so we don't keep the feast of the passover, but we keep the Lord's supper.
10. Compulsory observation of holy days and celibacy has been stopped.

If I remember any more, I'll add. All these laws were stopped by Jesus and (or) the apostles in the new testament.

So we don't practice them. Anything else that they didn't condemn is lawful and biblical.

If Jesus and the blood of Jesus has covered us from 80% of the law, do we sweep away the remaining 20% to meet their brothers that are covered ? The bible says God forbid.
Any law not condemned still stands.

Tithing was never condemned by Jesus or the apostles. Let us not add or minus or misinterpret the bible.

I really felt moved to explain in detail to you. May the inspiration of the Almighty give you more understanding. I'll be happy to explain any other chapter to you. Just open a new thread and mention me there so we don't derail this one.

Peacefullove:


C'mon , Christ was speaking to the Jews NOT YOu

The same Christ also practiced things like Jewish Passover, do u also do that ?

am surprised you don't yet understand that those things were still permitted until when Jesus shed his blood and cancel the law covenant .

that is why you will not read of any Christian practicing tithe in your bible

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


These are the words of Jesus.
Do you know that the pharisees give tithe of even their spices (food ingredients) ?
Why did Jesus condemn them? Because they are hypocrites. They obey the open laws and do it pompously while looking down on others who are not able to.

Tithing is in the law and Jesus didn't condemn it.

Peacefullove:
its funny how some people will claim tithe preceded the law, but yet keep QUOTING THE BOOKS OF THE LAW TO defend it ,isn't that highest level of hypocrisy .

clearly it's part of the law that must be done away with,if not apostles would have been recorded collecting tithes .NO SUCH THING

State where the bible clearly asks us to do away with it

MrPristine:


I am browsing with my phone so I can't quote it here, just check verse 18 and read up from verse 5 to know what was being condemned in verse 18.

The entire passage talks about the switch from the levitical priesthood back to priesthood after the order of Melchizedech and it also states that as there will be a switch in priesthood, the law will also change.
Christ is the new High Priest after the order of Melchizedech.
Christ changed the law by bringing grace.
Christ said this of the law :

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Christ and (or) the apostles have stated clearly what grace changes.
Christ never condemned tithes. When speaking on tithes, he told the pharisees: "these ye ought to have done and not leave the other undone " Ie. They shouldn't have left out righteousness deeds like love, peace, mercy etc to practice only things like tithing.

MrPristine:


Jesus was addressing Pharisees who were under the law in the reference you made. We as Christians are not subject to that law cause we are under grace.

Grâce doesn't render the law useless. Neither is the law meant for reference purposes only. Grace gives us a better standing with God. See Matthew ch 5 vs 17.

hardasan:


You can't say that because the bible didn't record the early church paying tithes, tithes is non existent because the early church gave 100%. So unless you give your 100% to the church, you can't use them as a reference point.

Read what you wrote as you make no sense whatsoever . How will such a thing as tithe be omitted in the record of those Christians if it were important ?

Tithing is of the law covenant, and Christians are not under
the mosaic law

Peacefullove:


Read what you wrote as you make no sense whatsoever . How will such a thing as tithe be omitted in the record of those Christians if it were important ?

Tithing is of the law covenant, and Christians are not under
the mosaic law

Exactly, such information is too important to be omitted by the bible. So I need you to show where the bible condemned tithing.

hardasan:


Exactly, such information is too important to be omitted by the bible

such omission just proved tithing was not among the tradition's handed down by the apostles . Fine and clear

. So I need you to show where the bible condemned tithing.

Show me where Christian's are commanded to PAY TITHE ?

Like you are not aware Christian's are no more under the law of Moses, are they?

Peacefullove:


such omission just proved tithing was not among the tradition's handed down by the apostles . Fine and clear




Show me where Christian's are commanded to PAY TITHE ?

Like you are not aware Christian's are no more under the law of Moses, are they?

If you say christians aren't under the law of Moses, you are saying that the 10 commandements does not apply to christains anymore.

Matthew 23:23King James Version (KJV)
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 23:23International Children’s Bible (ICB)

23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the law and Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You give to God one-tenth of everything you earn—even your mint, dill, and cummin.[a] But you don’t obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being loyal. These are the things you should do, as well as those other things.


Matthew 23:23Good News Translation (GNT)
23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

Here, the bible says: pay your tithe but don't omit the weightier matters of the law.

Peacefullove:


such omission just proved tithing was not among the tradition's handed down by the apostles . Fine and clear

You’re wrong . It is error to capitalize on the silent areas of the Bible . The silent area mean “maintain the status quo!

The New Testament was silent on the area of incest . Sleeping with your sister or your father etc

You won’t find a New Testament verse . On it . Now . If a man wants to marry his own daughter what will you tell him . Since there is no law according to you ?

The apostles didn’t attempt to write a new bible . Their Bible was the Old Testament . Paul quoted

Show me where Christian's are commanded to PAY TITHE ?

Show me where Christians are Commaded not to marry siblings

Like you are not aware Christian's are no more under the law of Moses, are they?

So you’re free to do homosexuality now ?

hardasan:


If you say christians aren't under the law of Moses, you are saying that the 10 commandements does not apply to christains anymore.

Nice question

Without the law , there would be lawlessness Sin is transgression of the law.

Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The only thing done away in the law are what christ has fulfilled but the kingdom principles contained in the law are forever . Not because the law say so but because they are principles

petra1

You’re wrong . It is error to capitalize on the silent areas of the Bible . The silent area mean “maintain the status quo!

Any scriptural basis for this?

The New Testament was silent on the area of incest . Sleeping with your sister or your father etc

You won’t find a New Testament verse . On it . Now . If a man wants to marry his own daughter what will you tell him . Since there is no law according to you ?

The apostles didn’t attempt to write a new bible . Their Bible was the Old Testament . Paul quoted

Show me where Christians are Commaded not to marry siblings

So you’re free to do homosexuality now ?

Christians are asked to walk in LOVE. When they do this will these issues not be addressed?

Nice question

Without the law , there would be lawlessness Sin is transgression of the law.

Jesus Christ summarized the Law, didn't he? Did the Apostles run by that summary of the Law? Is that summary not sufficient for ANY Christian to live by?

The only thing done away in the law are what christ has fulfilled but the kingdom principles contained in the law are forever . Not because the law say so but because they are principles

You are yet to define or explain to us what these "kingdom principles" really are.
Christ fulfilled the Law mean Christ fulfilled the Law! Period.
The book of Hebrews is CLEAR that EVERYTHING before Christ has been done away with!
What the Christian needs to understand today is what his life IN CHRIST entails!

plainbibletruth:

Any scriptural basis for this?


Christians are asked to walk in LOVE When they do this will these issues not be addressed?

What about lesbianism, transgenders, incest, nudism etc. Are they not all some kind of love howbeit a perverted type. Or since the NT didn't condemn them, are they okay ?

plainbibletruth:


Jesus Christ summarized the Law, didn't he? Did the Apostles run by that summary of the Law? Is that summary not sufficient for ANY Christian to live by?


You are yet to define or explain to us what these "kingdom principles" really are.
Christ fulfilled the Law mean Christ fulfilled the Law! Period.
The book of Hebrews is CLEAR that EVERYTHING before Christ has been done away with!
What the Christian needs to understand today is what his life IN CHRIST entails!

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



Here's another bible version :


Matthew 5:17-20Good News Translation (GNT)

Teaching about the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true. 18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with—not until the end of all things.[a]
19 So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven.
20 I tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires.

Guess what ?
Jesus himself said that

hardasan:


The entire passage talks about the switch from the levitical priesthood back to priesthood after the order of Melchizedech and it also states that as there will be a switch in priesthood, the law will also change.
Christ is the new High Priest after the order of Melchizedech.
Christ changed the law by bringing grace.
Christ said this of the law :

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Christ and (or) the apostles have stated clearly what grace changes.
Christ never condemned tithes. When speaking on tithes, he told the pharisees: "these ye ought to have done and not leave the other undone " Ie. They shouldn't have left out righteousness deeds like love, peace, mercy etc to practice only things like tithing.

How convenient! Christ came to fulfil the law and so didn't condemn tithes, but he also didn't condemn circumcision and keeping the sabbath. In fact, there is no record Christ paid tithes in he bible, but he was circumcised and he most certainly observed the sabbath in its true form. You are very happy to obey the law of tithes, but don't bother about circumcision and keeping the sabbath which are covenants between God and his people. You can't just pick and choose what laws to obey just because Christ is 'the new high priest'. He brought a new covenant, which also covers giving. Paying of tithes is giving under the law, it was compulsory. The new law of giving entails giving out of love, not compulsion as Paul specifies in 2 Corinthians 9:7-8. This argument of tithes have sprung up because some pastors threaten their flock with disaster if they don't pay their tithes. People who don't pay are humiliated, scaring others into doing so. There is nothing christian about that.

hardasan:


What about lesbianism, transgenders, incest, nudism etc. Are they not all some kind of love howbeit a perverted type. Or since the NT didn't condemn them, are they okay ?

Keep things in perspective!

hardasan:



Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



Here's another bible version :


Matthew 5:17-20Good News Translation (GNT)

Teaching about the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true. 18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with—not until the end of all things.[a]
19 So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven.
20 I tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires.

Guess what ?
Jesus himself said that

Keep things in perspective!

petra1:


You’re wrong . It is error to capitalize on the silent areas of the Bible . The silent area mean “maintain the status quo!

The New Testament was silent on the area of incest . Sleeping with your sister or your father etc

You won’t find a New Testament verse . On it . Now . If a man wants to marry his own daughter what will you tell him . Since there is no law according to you ?

The apostles didn’t attempt to write a new bible . Their Bible was the Old Testament . Paul quoted



Show me where Christians are Commaded not to marry siblings



So you’re free to do homosexuality now ?




Nice question

Without the law , there would be lawlessness Sin is transgression of the law.

Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The only thing done away in the law are what christ has fulfilled but the kingdom principles contained in the law are forever . Not because the law say so but because they are principles

Very poor logic Bro. sex between people who are not married to each other is called sexual immorality, that encompasses all form of sexual relation that is illegal, Mr pastor , M urprised u failed that simple test , now tell me if sexual immorality is not commanded in your bible for Christians ?

there was even an issue of a man sleeping with his Father's wife , Still categorized as sexual immorality in your Bible . No silent here please unless you don't know your Bible.



am surprised you could come out of hiding saying Tithe is a silent area of the Bible meaning you admit it wasnt practised among them ... kingdom principle indeed

Show me where apostles collect tithe Mr ?

petra1:


You’re wrong . It is error to capitalize on the silent areas of the Bible . The silent area mean “maintain the status quo!

The New Testament was silent on the area of incest . Sleeping with your sister or your father etc

You won’t find a New Testament verse . On it . Now . If a man wants to marry his own daughter what will you tell him . Since there is no law according to you ?

The apostles didn’t attempt to write a new bible . Their Bible was the Old Testament . Paul quoted



Show me where Christians are Commaded not to marry siblings




So you’re free to do homosexuality now ?





Nice question

Without the law , there would be lawlessness Sin is transgression of the law.

Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The only thing done away in the law are what christ has fulfilled but the kingdom principles contained in the law are forever . Not because the law say so but because they are principles

Christians clearly condemn homosexuality among themselves . I can't stop laughing at the ridiculous assumptions just to fight for something not practiced by those who started Christianity .

show me where apostles collect tithe Mr ?

hardasan:


If you say christians aren't under the law of Moses, you are saying that the 10 commandements does not apply to christains anymore.

Matthew 23:23King James Version (KJV)
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 23:23International Children’s Bible (ICB)

23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the law and Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You give to God one-tenth of everything you earn—even your mint, dill, and cummin.[a] But you don’t obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being loyal. These are the things you should do, as well as those other things.


Matthew 23:23Good News Translation (GNT)
23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

Here, the bible says: pay your tithe but don't omit the weightier matters of the law.

Read your bible

Galatians 3:24-25 King James Version (KJV)

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.



Those pharisees are still under the law, now from the above are Christians Still under the law ?

una still dey keep Sabbath don't forget it's part of the ten commandments

gabe:
How convenient! Christ came to fulfil the law and so didn't condemn tithes, but he also didn't condemn circumcision and keeping the sabbath. In fact, there is no record Christ paid tithes in he bible, but he was circumcised and he most certainly observed the sabbath in its true form. You are very happy to obey the law of tithes, but don't bother about circumcision and keeping the sabbath which are covenants between God and his people. You can't just pick and choose what laws to obey just because Christ is 'the new high priest'. He brought a new covenant, which also covers giving. Paying of tithes is giving under the law, it was compulsory. The new law of giving entails giving out of love, not compulsion as Paul specifies in 2 Corinthians 9:7-8. This argument of tithes have sprung up because some pastors threaten their flock with disaster if they don't pay their tithes. People who don't pay are humiliated, scaring others into doing so. There is nothing christian about that.

Which Christian doesn't circumcise their son after 8 days
We worship on Sunday because Christ rose up on Sunday and the day of pentecost and baptism of the Holy Spirit came on Sunday. They are no coincidence.

I have said clearly :
Paying of tithes is biblical, yet Christians must not be forced, cursed or blackmailed to pay. All the Pastor should do is preach with scriptures and pray for the grace to obey. As Christians, we don't need to be reminded to pay tithes.

Peacefullove:




Very poor logic Bro. sex between people who are not married to each other is called sexual immorality, that encompasses all form of sexual relation that is illegal, Mr pastor , M urprised u failed that simple test , now tell me if sexual immorality is not commanded in your bible for Christians ?

there was even an issue of a man sleeping with his Father's wife , Still categorized as sexual immorality in your Bible . No silent here please unless you don't know your Bible.



am surprised you could come out of hiding saying Tithe is a silent area of the Bible meaning you admit it wasnt practised among them ... kingdom principle indeed

Show me where apostles collect tithe Mr ?

We are talking about the laws which were mentioned in the NT. You said that tithing should have been mentioned in the NT if it was important.
What about lesbianism, transgenders, incest, nudism etc. Are they not all some kind of love howbeit a perverted type. Did the NT condemn any of these ? Or since the NT didn't condemn them, are they okay?
Now, tithing was mentioned secondarily sef in the NT so what are we arguing about ?

Peacefullove:


Christians clearly condemn homosexuality among themselves . I can't stop laughing at the ridiculous assumptions just to fight for something not practiced by those who started Christianity .

show me where apostles collect tithe Mr ?

I have shown where the apostles collected 100% not just 10%. The apostles never condemned tithing either.

Peacefullove:


Read your bible

Galatians 3:24-25 King James Version (KJV)

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.



Those pharisees are still under the law, now from the above are Christians Still under the law ?

una still dey keep Sabbath don't forget it's part of the ten commandments

Yes, we are no longer under a schoolmaster but under Christ.
Hear the words of Christ :

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



Here's another bible version :


Matthew 5:17-20Good News Translation (GNT)

17 “Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true.
18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with—not until the end of all things.[a]
19 So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven.
20 I tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires.


Christ substituted the death penalty of the law with forgiveness. Christ removed all this that defile like unclean food, menstruation, leprosy, deformity, touching the dead or unclean etc. These don't defile. These are summarized as grace. But the law still stands.